The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Howard Beck to discuss some NBA news stories, including the ESPN article about Ja Morant and James Harden's campaign to leave the 76ers (3:27), before talking about some stealth NBA story lines—like the sense of urgency creeping up on the Cavaliers, Ben Simmons in Brooklyn, and more (33:00). Then Bill runs through his stay-aways and gives out his Million-Dollar Picks for NFL Week 7 (50:00). Next Bill is joined by Ariel Helwani to do a quick check-in on the Bills and Knicks, and discuss Misfits Boxing, the future of the sport of boxing, UFC 294, AEW, and more (1:04:04). Finally Bill and Amanda Dobbins discuss the show they love to hate: 'The Morning Show' on Apple TV+ (1:55:00).
Host: Bill Simmons
Guests: Howard Beck, Ariel Helwani, and Amanda Dobbins
Producer: Kyle Crichton
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And things have happened since we did that the biggest one was european road.
huge story about jammer aunt through by
baxter homes and whose dad's him man yeah that
part of our while observing man
The timing of it was just saying that you know the heading into the week of the season. I asked that the jaws absence was being slept on a little bit, especially when we're talking about the futures, where I think they're over under was like forty four and forty five and up and I was like jaws gone for twenty five,
is. This feels like a big deal possible.
We're getting winning comes back and you read.
story, and it was mostly stuff
and had been around or stop it. You know that was out there. There is some unflattering stuff and thereby in general I left that store going
Now the narrative is gone,
This story was out there there's a bigger spotlight on, but now it's actually a little bit better for john away, because the attention
you can kind of user like nobody believes in may that this is that I don't know I was wondering
like how do you think that story
both around. It affects him and his come back, but it's interesting
by the way, I'm only about like ninety minutes into your like five hour marathon again, when I m in over the weekend, but I've got
I'd buy listener pods, while I wash dishes or well among the treadmill I've gotta get I'd have to. I need more dirty dishes and I need to go
the better shape and by the time the end of the week I will I'll be through it. No I mean you were right to flag that right. Jammer at night
they're on media day, so he still has not spoken
anybody in the media to the public in general, since this twenty five years
special was handed down by adam silver that that the story,
came out now that I've talked to our friends. Do you speak about that? You know the reporting process, everything else, but those things take time. I dont the annex,
should read into it that it dropped. Now. It's it's relevant now we're going into the seasons opening up next weekend
What are their brightest? Youngsters won't be there
under really unique
and troubling circumstances. What seems I? They also talk to every local business owner memphis cause. There was a bunch of them, so you could tell they worked there for months and months, fortune
for sure and by the way neither of those guys is memphis based. I think, like big man has like responsibility for a lot of teams and Memphis might be one of his
and and Baxter is just cut a more like all purposes, investigative guy. So if you don't, if you're not based there, so there's the first challenge as I'm reading this as as a reporter, my first thought is, like wow,
you either. Somebody pointed you in the right direction, like you need to go talk to this restaurant owner, or this might have been stripped club owner this bar owner. Whoever cause, if not just
kind of making the rounds and try to get a feat like you could do that you could do it
Just like the shoe leather reporting, but that's that's tough when you're not based there and you don't have that local network of people
they talked obviously some really important voices there.
People who knew not just the iron curtain.
version of this or what the internal politics of the grizzlies are. But what how he's being perceived in the community and
also tracks bill with a lot of the other incidents that have been reported on in the last sixty eight months right. It's not just issues with the odyssey clashing guns, as is the big thing right now, but it's
and just issues with how he's conducting himself within the organization with teammates or coaches or or team officials,
social media judgment social meat
judgment, but the the attitude
de the entitlement issues that seem to present themselves with these local business owners,
who I think we're all speaking anonymously tracks with a lot of the step that was like
shoe store incident, the mall incident and all the other things right. It's there's a there's a pattern here, and so I think the store
really valuable? In that sense, it's giving us a more full picture,
This is an ongoing issue on a variety of levels.
Including just the way he carries himself around Memphis.
dela- that if there was one yellow, there's one piece in there I knew mostly
for. I had heard second hand that you now and I think the people- I guess we just talk to
people say get a general vibe worth
they're going or what things happening the way
if that was in the story, that I never really thought about. One other. The the anonymous owners was saying this guy was the
guess celebrity. We ve had since Elvis and
I read that mad. I did like a double take round like is that true and I'm thinkin about my year them.
probably true like who you know
like any there. You know they had z bo the head
no power saw they dared
rose when he was at the university of memphis, but for the most part I had
really thought of it. That way, and then you think, like this young- kick ass, incredibly funded,
start as drops in their lap as like the consolation prize in the draft in there,
comes what he becomes in a small city and just
comes the guy- and I guess I did I'd- never really read my head around that, but when I read that it was, I did you do. It will take me so that I do
and I I guess, I'd chuckled a little bit because just such a like Elvis references are are, are kind of late
off the page right and what we totally on workers and everything you have to remember when our beside that was like the biggest thing that happened and thank you to seventy seven days, but I I don't, I didn't think of it in that sense right and you and your right. This is not because of a big.
sports market in general. The grizzlies themselves only been there for twenty years. Yes, jammer aunt is bigger than both castles, bigger than might calmly bigger than tony half a day
then you know anybody you it in in basketball, history, there probably up, and so
where's the I don't. I don't know where, where the is there, somebody
between elvis and jaw like a baby. I pick somebody from Memphis would have to tell us a bit. The other thing that struck me was, and there were team p
we'll talk as if they were team officials or just team people. There were definitely anonymous
sources and depending on what station that purse
nor those people or occupy within the organisation. I kind of came away feel like
This is somebody signalling that the organization is losing patience
or, as is trying to send it right like depending on who had its right like it. It could be somebody lower down, it could be teammates, it could be. You know, assisted coaches could be anybody, but if it's anybody in a position of authority, they made a calculated decision shoe.
Convey some of these things bill, and that tells me that the organization itself doesn't mind the
sign there that says
grizzlies source said because maybe they want that that shot.
brought about. Maybe they feel like nothing else is, is really getting across.
You told him so glad he brought his bollywood once again.
we read that up, because that struck me too
a year. Somebody who's written a bunch of these pieces and they can go wanted to two right. When you're trying to dig for information the team can be, I guess it three.
The team can either be helpful but say don't
one thing about anything with me, you know made don't even say me, I'm giving you a background, that's it or they could say fuck off we're not talking about a job.
great, it's gonna go out or they do what they did in this story when approach
this way. Were there
approving of the story, but there are also like seem pretty
talking about it. That tells me this is
maybe more of a say his last chance.
But maybe this is a little more gyre than now. Then it's been presented,
yeah. It seems we saw that the same way yeah and enterprise
clear. I want to just claim this as many times as possible before the aggregated. You don't start extrapolating
I dont know who these team officials are or if they were even team official is opposed to others within the team, but it is reasonable to think that if that many people were talking, they
it with the full knowledge and intense
wanting this out there, because they feel, like nothing else, has has worked and if you thought, in the wake of europe working for the grizzlies in a position of authority- and you thought in the wake of adam silver. Twenty five things, especially while that
that's the that's the peace that that's the that's the disciplinary measure, that's going to get jobs attention and get him to draw up an end. Take
possibility be accountable, straightened himself out personally and professionally. If you are confident in that, then you just list of those three options bill you would take the option of which is not going to talk right like if, if I was really confident that job got the message loud and clear
and I was convinced that things were going to be just fine he's going to serve twenty five games, he's going to come back and I'm one hundred per cent. Confident all of this is behind him. If I were that calm and again, I'm just speculating disclaimer
labour disclaimer, but if I were in a position to speak to the media from the team and was that confidence, I would do the we're not talking about it because we're really copper. This is gonna, go to the right place, the fact
People were talking, yes to me, signals potentially that there is-
What ongoing concern that this punishments not going to be enough to get him,
to straighten everything out. It was funny because really
This week I was too
talking to someone from another
theme- and I was just yo- this is that time of year, right, you're, you're, shooting the shit, and it was just kind of like tell me, I think I said not counting harden who's, the next star getting traded and he thought for a second. He said john moran that says
get this is like you know. This is not breaking news. This is not sources say this is not anything, it was just one person's.
if, like semi quip e button, but you know kind of you know what their feel for it right like if he, if their senses and again it's
the same thing that maybe there is a concern has grown to the point, where you're no longer convinced that this is going to be tenable long term. I dont think we're.
there, has to be clear and I'm sure the grizzlies aren't there yet, and it will get your first time. I think either of us thought. Oh, we might actually had their job. Only this week we ve talked about zion fur for good reason. Right like there are, they should clear
the is is at its end, but you just can't get the right.
Are you form and nobody knows how to values? I williamson we could talk about your quality towns in italy.
Double discussion about why he could be traded.
is the immediate thing in that of the hard thing doesn't go well said, yeah
joy and beat you're on deck, for it maybe a year down the line,
there is one major
Mitchell yeah lingering yeah. That will get to that one I think later, but but yeah mitchell's, lingering end and so
joy is not one that I would have had a top my list and to be clear, like I dont know that tree
johnny whirl solves anything. It's like it's. Not the city of
it's his fault that jammer aunt has acted the way he has it's not. I don't think the grizzly fault organization is not
Those things were all just get him somewhere else. You'll be fine, but sometimes
you do have to have your world rattled away
that you mentioned. Zack randolph earlier zack red off people go back. Go google zack randolph
the stories about him early in his career in portland and the way he was perceived and you would have thought he was the the biggest just knucklehead jerk
whatever, like any negative thing you could think about, because he was part of that.
the trailblazers and he was involved in some things and he had a group of friends who were involved in some things in portland that cast him in a very, very bad light. He gets traded a couple of times, bounces from new york to the clippers to to Memphis he's now for
cheer up by the ways that ran up. What are they all time, great deeds that I've covered just adjacent to be
teddy Bear- is a great guy he's, not any of the things that I think people per
to be early in his career, and maybe
took him being traded a few times before
settled it jaws, much higher ceiling, talent,
what more riding on him. So the stakes are higher, but it
in terms of individuals who sometimes benefit just I hate I hate the idea.
Change of scenery. Does it right again it's not about Memphis is not any any town or teams fault
but sometimes you just have to have your europe
foundations of fresh sharks a fresh year also when the
through the abbess when these guys it there lay twenties that have had some issues narrowly mid, twenties.
It's tend grow out of it become better. That's become more mature in that over and over again. It is funny, though, this job, this job,
story and just the possible
have they trade, not aid. This is kind of the nba. We grew up with right. She go all the way back
cocaine era and
back then you had none of the entire we have now, and there was
big was not covered the same way as they say like one national borders, Peter bessie, and that's it, but you would have like me
marriage and sit on your team and no
at a co problem, and you
his trade em to god state. You now
billy, be like hey, you're and gold states? I yeah that's what do you
the forum and all of a sudden and these guys were moving around, and that was what was going on in the seventies and eighties. I people
asking problems around women?
the night is it was
different era of that, where the problems were different with a lot of times. It was a young guys have gotten a lot of money too fast, or maybe some
is clashing with their coach or like see webb's case where he says that I don't like Don nelson. I don't want to be here
and over and over again, we sightings gambling. I
these assets that weren't assets in the way? Like you know, if you want,
I do with them, but you knew there and asset edge
this era now a john's eye on those two guys, specifically, we just incredibly talented young guys who might need a fresh start somewhere else if it doesn't work out this year. I don't know like if you're, if you're speculate, but if your tea might the cliff
yours and you have a new stadium opening next year in year, like holy shit, we could get jammer aunt and we have
but their site
gonna be there's gonna, be a market in a railway for either those guys, and I dont think big.
J giant. I actually have a fight the better, and I would bet that this is probably going to work out in all probably learn lessons. You know that the the stuff about
a piece about, is people being worried about his dad's influence and ours?
I was kind of acting
like he was on the way to and stuff like that. That seems like you
straighten that stuff out
He's also can be on his third strike so that
scary- I don't know what it's like. What's the next step after twenty five ganz, that's like a full season suspension, so my gases,
works out, but I'm also opened the box,
the body that he may not be, and on the grizzlies and three months right now,
They wouldn't rule against that. I am, I feel like it's just it's too soon like this season would be too soon. I gotta think he serves a twenty five game suspension. He comes back here
they all the right things. These guys know how to sail the right things and they get credit on all this. We saw the last interview you know he did. You know
balanced formula mention our gas, their ill but
There's a there's a way to handle this right. He'll he'll do that he'll come back. I think that
add water without him.
I will see how amazing they may lead, because markets we will see what happens on friday. Sarcasm played a priest,
It is already in the navy. Somebody who had a lot of you know
ag in step with the south eggs and took a meal
and could Gillian charges and blocks, and
I just worry about how he's gonna above physically
I don't know. They're really hard seem to figure out because did the instinct and we did it.
The previous, by its eye there. The grid
Is there when fifty games game great regular season team, but he take job for twenty five games mark.
Is an yet and I don't know, there's a path for them, maybe not to block it
as jones. Isn't there anymore right now
we embraced are about four year. Yet all those great records, all those windsor, while looking
would. They are without John, whereas there is bad taste,
owns, I got out by the end of all because of him, but you need.
to replace the position and you need somebody who's, a steady presence there. It is our markets
Derek Rosen, where rules they plugin gonna be enough. What we'll see
I think, there's a scenario where the season is calm. They're, gonna, say
for sure, but they have a respectable season. They make their plight
run, maybe the last round, maybe the last two rounds and nothing happens,
and an end the conversation just passes right. It allocates it's completely possible. The moment just passes.
And the person I talked to earlier in the week, who said oh watch for a regime ranch. I like, I think that was just more of the like
keep an eye on it kind of thing, not a prediction:
well. I haven't. I have an eye on that. I totally agree. I hope you figure it out
There is one of the most fun players and that breaking news of this, but we need job
hidden. He was so much from the watch. I want to see
figure the shit out and get his life together. Let's take a break and talk buttercup a couple. Storyline
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Doctor the other big thing that happened since we did others preview pods was
james harden, has officially started the cabin
a bad here. Project is just like a mac, mere practices,
have a doctor's appointment and he started to that's up. I think, whenever a player once again, trade,
and thereby I remember when I was researching my book. I was fascinated by rick Barry. Just in general, I did a lot of rick Barry content in my book, but one of the things he was hinted upon in
be a team in the early seventies and he was virginia and
He didn't want to be in virginia, you wanna get the evardo there and they
in trade m, any
some interview. I think this sports illustrated any just started insulting the people of I raised my
it's here, they're gonna talk like this, and did this happen? Virginia was egg fact. This kind
a work than they jaded. Am I wonder if hardened
maybe that's the next step, he starts, he starts insulting
creed, movies, cheese, stags here
a poverty wages,
its harbour is I got she rambles? Guess he's really
for the opposite team in the world series, whoever they are playing the world series and
try stated that he is like it
it's always son? It felt that fish abandoned after three episodes
just whatever it takes to make philly be like you, gotta get this guy here now, but it seems like we're here
it toward a cooper trade and at how is
parents may in the hold up in a james hard and say I just don't understand it. How is this the whole them do it
you or your message be ahead of the show like hey where's, the like stealth topics, there's I can't I just like jotted down a bunch of ideas and one of them was terence mann, and I don't say this lightly and I tried to be flippant with people's jobs of the labor but tears man's going to get somebody fired.
Build either the clippers hang on to him and the sea
in crashes of burns and they never got hardened because they held onto the parents man too long, and it's going to cost people or I they do trade him or excuse me or this it's on both sides right. If tears, man
hold up the darrow more. He can't trade james harden either to the clippers basically of terence band. Is the sticking point of this trade everybody loses. Hearted loses
burn sickness, run off his loses. The clippers brought up is that I cannot believe I write it hit me in the midst of processing. All this, like terence man, like twenty seventies,
prime, but he's been league for a few years- is his grey socrates
ways when they re like night, I'm yeah he's good. Like you see
really good, and this night I know from the clippers side of it the reason
value him. So much is not because they think he's gonna suddenly burst into its a perennial all star. Is that day
have a lot of high end and a lot of plug in play. Guys at the other end. They don't have anybody in between
Yeah and he's there one guy like reasonable contract good player, doesn't
starting or coming off. The bench will guard the other teams best,
perimeter guy, when he's on the court he's easily
maintenance he's and if they trade
you don't have another terence bat, like I get that but James hearted
be the reason they either do or don't. Finally, make the finals with Paul george and kawhi leonard.
Like that imaginary ladders, thereby making the final with us
the I beg of you,
they they aren't. I would do any on James heartedness dodgy absurd.
with three stray play around without flaming out some terrible way. I'll just say if, if you're the clippers and you ve got,
Why and Paul george in their walk years, assuming did not extend them and you ve got a new arenas. You alluded to opening up in a year and were on year for whatever it is of of this experiment that has not produced results, and
bodies the urgency, you know is apt up and if terrorism
as this dream, either making the play for james harden, who whom listen whatever his faults.
deficiencies are there there, then who else is available like who else you getting? If you don't get hoarded in, are they going to files with what they
not without james harden like that's also know so I
why have they are neither good, is not fair for the quivers leg who rebuilding s son of dubious peck act,
view, Terence man, I'd they give
some sort of swap and
there's not one other bitter and therein hardens demanding he comes here like why do at we're not banish bia were
just gonna, give you a hundred and thirty cents on the dollar, because your player wants to come here, but though the
There would be that if you wait two months than I said, my aim is I gotta take on their backs.
against themselves. It like they. They truly are with their bidding against exactly what I'm saying their bidding against the downside
of not getting another star type player, even one whose it in his early
Mid thirties and Jan never comes up in the in the post season, but on that team you're, not relying on james heartened to to
Yo. Take you home of game five in the semi finals, because you ve got quite leonard and Paul George, presumably healthy and playing
so there's less on him. There
you bet I used for real
I'll go the other avid trade. I would change
quiet while George.
I think that more is done. I think they're a carcass either. I think it right that there is better teams yo ass than they. Don't you give me those guys
eighty two games. I still don't think they're one of the best three teams in the west, then I think their moment there roper
Nearly ass good. Some of them are washed out
have no young guys on the horizon, except for terence man, and he
twenty seven. As you pointed out, and I just I don't see it- I don't. I don't think there one of the ape s teams in the west. No,
like a hundred new cycles ago? So it's hard to remember, but there was a little remember glimmer or window there and lake near
june, maybe before the draft, where we were talking about the clippers, might be open to uphold george deal and
I think there was a there was a moment there were these thinking about it, and then it was like no, no, no we're keeping everybody together. We're all in on this, where we're going to run it back again but yeah
I think there was a really strong case for four blue
europe trading one or both of those guys because yeah, I think at this point you gotta just gotta- can see that this is not
you're, not getting where you want to go. It was still the right thing to do, and twenty nineteen, like all these people, say
what a joke, no the clippers, the clippers
It was the red then needed because it felt like the lakers yeah yeah, and it was the right thing to do. It didn't work out fine, but yeah. I do think it's run it's course, and I I
you know if you're going to try to extend it, revive it whatever. It is if james harness
best you can do to do that might as well have terence man's holding it up. I was laughing thinking about this charge. Matters is the twenty twenty three tim, a famous
job, because my god was almost the breaking point of the carmelo deal, the knicks and nuggets and donnie walsh in his defense. He'd already put so much in that deal: gallery wilson, chandler raymond felton pigs and for everything there. It's not that they thought mozgov was the breaking point because they couldn't have
is he so great. It was more that this was one more asset that they just wouldn't have for any other purpose and, lest we forget, eventually, the nuggets traded mozgov to the cavaliers for two first round picks rant kind of proving the point like sometimes the guy that you,
is like oh, I hold onto him well at some point he might be,
or for some other reason, but terence managed is now timothy, moscow. You know, I think, maybe the next
would be the other possibility just
yeah. But what I think happens is.
He can hold out a maximum of thirty days before it affects next year. So my
so be he's just those james, hard and stuff for four weeks. It maybe comes back a day. Twenty nine right
that the latest possible that he can come back without jeopardizing is
The agency. Has that role that, after thirty days you, the team retains a rights. So I think
six years and provided it they'll get this coopers there
the season, starts now around the clock back
the intolerant thanksgiving with hard and just not playing snake if the figure out
I'd whose our team, without James hardens max's like this, is great. Take your time. Jobs are to back out. There's something card is we'll figure rolled where's, but
James hard and comes walking back in a day, twenty eight dates what'd. I lay hague as mere what kind of shape
you gonna be in what happens? If he's
fifteen pounds overweight, you now in his way goes up and down, as we see also that that parts can be we're too.
the sixers have a couple of hammers here that I think the rockets didn't have when we went through this whole saga few years back right, he's that much older for one the whole reason. Presumably
again, we don't notice reassured that he's in this whole snip in the first place is because he thought he was your at below he people
or he was told whatever it was,
that he was getting another max extension or at least a major payday. He obviously still wants that pay bill. So,
take any isn't a walk ear and the other hammer. Of course,
as you mentioned, is that thirty day rule where they could hold of his regency or or deny him his re agency? If he
if used his services for thirty plus days, so she doesn't have as much room
just kind of dig around, as he did in houston like at some point. He's gonna have to be accountable and play and try and not before
pounds, overweight and presumably not be. You know insulting
the great she's state institutions of philadelphia and creed movies.
Their aim is James artist, so that they can be ruled out quickly what he had for us style- storylines, oh
We lose you it earlier, as I just I wanna hit it like. I think the cavaliers have a lot more urgency.
any of us would normally think or have re disgust much less. Yes, they are jug dish. Yes, they just got together. Yes, they just had there
its receives in their best non leubronn season and five thousand years or whatever, but thought of habitual is twenty seven
Donovan Mitchell. Last we checked she still wants to play in new york least. That's
What kind of the skull but around the league that he'd really love to be in new york and frankly, like I was
big believer in the small small back court with garland and know that they really crap the bet against the knicks in in the play ass, I saw
I'm not sold now that they had injurious used last year, where they do not have as much time together or maybe yo second year. Things will click better, but you got two small guards who are both the best
primary ball handler scorer types- and I just that's that
that's the biggest fundamental problem with them as a carcass thing.
It should be mentioned- is firstly my big guy last year, but I love garland
darlin, just standing on the side, while Mitchell is dribbling for ten seconds is not ideal.
nasa, gotta figure, the mobile shared out there, because on that, if bobo can't you threes, you can't play him at the four legged sat in eighteen, eighty,
I wrote you know one of those guys this be able to stretch defence,
so under normal circumstances, a year,
Gene that you know he's got a bunch of recent draft packs or are you
just made all these moves haven't how much success and had their breakthrough year. You figure they got two three four years to get a figure it out, but this is different, partially just the error that were living
bill were guys. Rest got all the time anyway, but partially just yeah Donovan mitchell, like the clock ticking, he has a player option.
when you twenty five, so that means by next summer she's going into his walk here yeah and that's
traditionally been like the trigger point where, if you're going to say, get me out now, granted guys do it with three and four years left now, but the one year left thing is usually that's the courtesy call where I'm going.
anyway, you might as well
me now. The next thing is
because, of course, you'd have another small small issue there with brunson. But it is
I have a mitchell if the knicks get another chance to get him like this time. You figure they're, probably going to do it and it doesn't have to be the next. It could be somewhere else, but they do
is ticking on on that that quartet in cleveland they'll have, though, have contracted cap issues eventually to
so yeah like. I think this is a really big important year for the calves, which you don't like a sage. It runs counter,
conventional wisdom approaching that just got here
couldn't agree more or less, and I would even say an important first three months yet if it doesn't
start our great, then the mitchell stuff will start yeah and it's gonna start on podcast like
Yes, because I am but he'd stays that log for cleveland
I think miami. Isn't it I'm just
It's aim miami too, because we know that their willing,
To move a lot assets, terming gettin, in how we talk
I went over in miami and the on the package that we did. The previous thing I had to
it's unbelievable to me that they're just being written off by most people, you know they came within,
miss three of making three the last for final cycle.
I'm more scared of them than I am a marquee like you.
I I but they've had more success in I know, janis is the second were first passport
the opinion I you wanna rank it, but I just the miami,
structure in their assets and their willingness to say, fuck it and just make trades
stuff, like I'm scared them what you
saying no and I I look
that, by the way, in my five questions for the season, which we ran recently on the ringer, which is just that like. What's what do, they have up their sleeve right, the heat's going to do something I dunno they're doing something about about this you're going to cringe bill, you're going to absolutely cringe at this one. What if Ben simmons is good? Again I mean it's, it's
you're, just like blank stare, the its it either alone. Ok,
alright! So I have an I can work with you for a couple of seconds fixed. It can be a little bit of room and I don't please
stock in the breeze, and none of us should, but he looked war
sort of again more confident again and there's always been this question for the last couple of years of how much of been summonses declined was fast
all persons bent all been he himself cited.
mental issues in his the late stay,
his love of his time, with the sixers of why he wanted out and and again while he's been with brooklyn. So people around the league have wondered about
just whether his head in his heart are really in the game all physical step aside, a lot of people have felt like I back or no back. I'm just not sold at been summons really wants this,
but you're the guy that I've seen in in is in the precision low
more like like that's why,
nor is there any aggression. Is there any civilian arrives in
got impersonal, have you seen with your own eyes a little but you're saying my tv as lied to me
though I could see you later
their sign, rather like a boy process until you're yours
keep watching this gone man, look at Ben simmons during this time out is actually listen to the coach. I popped in for it for a little bit we're pretty far from the the home bench in the media, seating at barclays, but
I'll, be going to some nets gingerly on it. I will have like that is probably the the thing I'll be watching most, but so there's just enough evidence in the precision to think that
maybe he's getting it back he's, so he still only twenty seven and if any of his head and his body or right, if he's gonna, get to get. I phrases has a question as a stealth issue. What, if he's good again now with the bridges now you ve got to certified, also
challenge their complimentary players with each other? Is it a certified all start talent? Benson is now what
if he was all happy I like free for you,
The I'm just saying like is these
for that back. I said what, if is good again. Ok, those two! If if, if those two are in not that beset
We're not even all star just vicinity of Ulster also our conversation getting legit all star votes, and you have all these interesting.
just with chad, johnson and dorian Finney smith and royal mail and lonnie walker, and and and so that it gives them like
you already have this option amity anyway, because they ve got that bootloader picks from the sons. They still have not yet got a bunch of there
pictured. Six are periodic fiberglass six at an exit, they don't have their own picks. They have the the you know. The rockets have swap rights of whatever, but, like those may or may not,
to play so they ve got
a lot of pieces and picks, and I am very curious to see like there
the clock to do anything yet, but at some point there
sort of consolidation move like their one
his team, is where, if
indeed, or whoever eventually becomes available, maybe Donovan mitchell like miss. It may be
brooklyn instead of manhattan, they ve got the pieces to do a lot
things, and if Ben simmons is good again, it's either pushes their timeline up where we can compete now or he's only got one year left after this one. He was. You know at one point, looked like the most untreatable contract in the league. Maybe he becomes movable.
It's a lot of hypotheticals bill, I'm not trying to sell it to our under saying what, if he's good
No, I like hired think it now, because there are doors that are open that were all slammed three months ago.
and the other pieces. You know where I was
talked about the best they now it happened, famine for him to be, unlike completely forgettable team,
in a city that didn't care about basketball. Just make all your mistakes. Third thing, and now
but is going to care about this that steam I link,
that says in its
first time since day I hit rock bottom when they lost their pigs. You know before they rebuilt stuff. It's for some, probably in like five six years where there is not a mere
They get in any way shape or form
This is where you gonna I'd, really like macao bridges, but he's too
at the end of the jumbotron video for them now, and that I just don't think for what they tried to be for the last four years.
It can be pretty nautilus team, which I think is good for him he's going to have a lot of empty nights in that year,
empty home games and allotted chances to rebuild get some reps
I'm doing I say this year, I said
with all respect for the bureau I live in, and the fans you go to those games and the organisation itself, but playing for the nets at times can be like playing in a small market in that the knicks take up,
Much of the basketball phantom oxygen here, they're, the ones in the back pay
good, bad or otherwise, and so, if you're playing for the nets, the good news is, you are in one of the biggest markets on earth and you can get all the benefits from it.
And yet not have to deal with as much of of the glare
scrutiny, so you can kind of like bench
This can get himself back together off the radar a little bit because the damage
not as much attention
and yeah. I do, I think, that'll be good for him. The once almost like delayed. It's like the l, a chargers in the nfl, where the the lot of the fans that are there there to go, see the other teams yeah,
so it is about the world's, is a town subsided.
is, isn't it yeah? You can feel it in the in the shots of stance, and as I I just think that, though the other piece of that is just that like compared to the last time that they were bottoming out like they're not going to bottom out this time. This is actually a better team.
How wise and they have what they know they can set the others they may camp on yeah right, but last time it that that happened when they sent the celtics all their pics.
They couldn't bottom out, so they just had a scrap and they had like it was. The spencer did witty Joe harris jedi atkinson coached team
we're just gonna, believe they're gonna, kill bridges, encamped johnson,
nick last it's really good at beds. Events might become good again, like there's, there's more here comply and an combined with a bunch of picks from another team from the sun.
in this case, so they ve actually got a much better passed back to respectability or at least being
stink, but you're you're right right now, they're they're, they're kind of a forgettable team. I don't think people are gonna, be paying a ton of attention to
He has acted as lee pass. Racking tonight
to me they would have been bottom free. There is a simmons oddity thing, that'll be fine for like two weeks ago. What does it look like? Give me one more
a thing and then we'll go. You kind of alive
this on on the overlanders. I liked the job
as like belated stealth tankers alive
convinced they really want to win yet, and I am not convinced that they need to
last season was all just gravy, basically like the whole world thought and yes that they got to stop us over the head with
are you guys all thought we were taking we're all gonna, be like bottom, three team look out competitive. We were look great, la remark in and took a great that's all it's fine. I dont think that necessarily expected to be that good
If you look at where the west is now compared a lot like they could have. A surprisingly good seed
last year in part, because the west was just kind of work,
and young old and teams, were the lakers were reform adding at midnight.
The sons were blowing it up, midseason to get durant ah
the warriors were season yeah, all those chiefs, goodenough bill, leah like
start counting like I count like tunnel,
teams, maybe even twelve that could potentially be play in to play off?
and I don't think the jazz are necessarily in there, so if they get off to a slow start and and their their twenty twenty four pick is protected, wanted to one to ten. What's, if you're going to be fourteenth, what's the point of of being forty, you might as well just be tenth or or or
so that you can keep your pic I over for them only because everyone says this is a bad draft and I just might
ace was I remembered danny in the mid two thousand tonnes of the south. I swim a reservoir
banking retaking and then also of trading preserved, thomas
trying to be good and say what and I just out
No, if he has strategies necessarily like that, like theirs,
ass. I say there because they were it on the dame lowered like by all accounts like they really kick. The tyres on day, which I thought was bizarre, but I think he looked at her.
There is an asset. I wonder if I should go, get it so,
Targets are eroded case for it, though, the put the broader timelines. Who is this?
It were only your removed from when they blew up like up a perennial play off to write it
with two stars and mitchell ngo bear really I removed from that you ve got you have time like there's no urgency now. What's clamouring like? Oh, my god, we gotta get out of this rut. You ve got time. He can afford to be patient and, if it oh, I thought I'd like to reduce this lead to just
george, you players against their two player. Liquor you're too bad guys
get it and who, against the broad and anthony Davis staff and whoever you wanna put in their like, go down the list, who were the jazz actually expected to be better than reasonably based on their top and tat?
it s double happen. Guys will get hurt somebody business more market in this law market in flanders. Just this counter,
You just have this shit. We oughta you, you were vote, you vote,
and the rigorous top one hundred right, which I did not know, lynn to blame me for any of it. I think I think morgan in
and and
chancellor worthy
to jobs in the top one hundred right and I
had kessler, I think higher than the most I
I was glad we had multiple voters, because I always valued durability. A little bit more, that I was deaf way, the lowest on. Why I'm just like? Why place fifty games a year? I'm not gonna, say he's like the seventeenth vesper in the week like I want you guys. The play
rather jail and brown and quite letter, I'm sorry and no jail. Embrowns gonna play
I'm glad! I don't vote in these things because I know you have to you have to then also like is somebody being a winning player vs, putting up stats. How do you balance at right? Like yeah, I really valued their quiet. I had him. I think I voted him. Fifty secs, I put the
had a james hearted genocides by time.
They had a dare quite has been there,
What I know is a better player from china. When basque begins.
So only here
and everybody says I would argue if somebody else's like james harden, you know who's gonna make you.
I started my store and probably should have,
He led the way and assess like there's no way is that one of the best when, in february the league- and I see that as I do it's this like before brunson start
blow up last year, even in the early stages of the season. I'm ever have this discussion with people like the best point out in new york was not cairo irving. It was jailing brunson, like kind of way, more talented.
you'd rather have, and I think most seems rather have jailer brunson in it and
Would you brunson has evolved into so? Yes, unless it's about what that the players complete make up and whether or not you it's that intention,
They like he's a sky. A winner does contribute to winning weeds. We said a lot in the nba these days as contributors winning mighty may strike. My team, I think I have my life without pardon cadets,
he just like completely distress from within two minutes yeah. I think that should count.
it was in this day and age. So it did you you have to consider all of it, but ya back to your to your jazz. They like that it's I've does not dismissive of them. I respect
I what they ve been able to do with not a lot of iron talent there. I just think there's a hard ceiling on it in the west is, is everybody's got under there
their rosters in order now that everybody starting the season in a much better place than they were last year. I just don't see a path for the jazz and if, if if it goes the way, I think if it will, were there,
Can I make it and you decide to lean into the tank? Then you start. Did you go to the next level? Like ok? Does that mean, like you know, callin sexton is on
this is, is clarkson become on the market? Is the old calumet like there's? There are pieces, they could
been off. If those lean enjoy I'd, that's
I beg you committed when the ring it outcome start when the season starts on Monday is.
You'd be the real ones with our guy.
Logan, a can't wait for that. That's can be a fun
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to see you- you gotta, give me the benson scatter poor when you go tried on up near the bed
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They also have this nuke
There are only like damage angry bride day. While I love
thereby. Last year I thought he was called to the year this year. He just seems
ickes losing it on the sidelines every week. I don't blame him if he watched his quarterbacks. You probably did the same. I don't like the vibe
the giant then Washington, sam, how thirty four saxon
there's been a lot written about it. This week he's on pace to break David cars record by twenty sacks. He has an outside,
hence gets a hundred sacks. He has
that's a chance to go to the hospital
that's that normal units must be sacked. That many times stayed away. I speak it a bad quarterbacks box, my
should have against the linen raiders managed to have such cargo. What am I stay?
fast rules is you cannot bet on games with crap? You
He's going had the head I've just purse
enjoyed that you know
gambling as much as the next guy. But I don't play scratch. Cards are lottery tickets in this
this you may as well. I play russian roulette. You ve baker may
god as a parliamentary,
I'm a writer who was unlocked
really bad last week, I'll never be able to look at in the same way again the raiders earthen replay brian aware or eighteen o conall and
the bears are playing submitted named thyssen badgered, who cousin south picked up in my keeper league for
three hours and then send a text apologizing to the group which, at that kind of something,
anyway, I'm staying with both of those games chiefs
minus five and a half at against charges
they were from this, and we-
That is it sunday. This is the no fun sheep's. I think it is
watching good fellows I day when they have other briefs its, I kind of like good fellows. It feels good fellows, but it's out
they get thousand I'm getting the F bombs. I hate it. I dont like that that cheap serve
and you know when me over by mccall Michael hardman back the chargers, have two winds and they have three
ass. If, by a total of eight points, they have twice,
seven terrible decisions. They made there in the game. Twenty five of them have been backed up by the nerds read after they had them.
and then at around three hundred and seventy excuses made by the nerves verve upon their darrow. Just an herbert who was so bad
when that cowboys game on Monday night that they should. I apologize thus
He is the perfect gb on paper as eyes paper. Does it keep track of winsome losses
because in the last five minutes in the game, I just don't think he's gonna come through half the time
you know- and I think he's a top five quarterback. So if you wonder why scorings down, then there's been allowed written in talks
this week about why scorings down to me it simply
That's it. We don't have very good cookies and even the guy
you bees. We have,
it's very good when you're watching them some of them. So this feels like a classic chargers, wind, but
cover- and I don't bet on the situation, so no fun casey by three and
staying away. I
to do the lions.
the ravens in baltimore, the simple answer, plus three. I think you can make
outside case for them being the best team, the weak and last week I must have them. I did it. Much may have net regret they killed him for so why not take them this week
well, the running back situation is just like all red flags,
and their saint aubert gives my play as implied a couple weeks. I dont think you
I get thirty carry guy
firstly and then Montgomery sir there's a red flag. Next,
same report now, who I felt like was one of the keys to their offensive season.
I just traded for that.
Well, I've been about their shattered and report it, but it might keeper lake. I had most her on the dolphins, who is now the mccaffrey
the best non cuba in the league. I traded him
Sam report adds a flowers because
am semi rebuilding but also have an such chance, but the point is similar: porter was for bucks an hour keeper rules are. It goes up three bucks in year, two,
Then, if you wanna keep somebody for the next two years, it goes up for buxom five bucks so have said:
the porter for four backs seven by
eleven bucks in sixteen bucks,
I basically signed him to a four year, deal to be in my life. This is my guy and he's got a red flag next to,
I'm scared enough of the running back situation, the porters red flag and just the fact that Lamar doesn't seem to have
too weird home games. I am stanley sorry, I love the lads, but I'm staying away last day way
likings, plus seven in home against foreigners. I love the home dog potential here, but I do not find a fun.
parlay leg, to put them with.
At this is one of those rare. I could see them when in the game, and I could see them was by twenty eight points. So
even though the niners injuries and brought pretty little confidence. Will confidence not from last week also be huge revenge game
my big thing with them is I'm not putting the forty niners in a ts. I don't think they are teachable, because I don't like the injuries.
and I don't like the vague at home kind of their season on line if they lose this game seasons over may be starting by trading cousins. There
It's now at a and stay with me, here's network.
Not a stairway them,
and our picks for weeks,
We are down five of five thousand hours for the seas and fifty four
kay last week, thanks to the eagles who complete,
Screwed me over I'll, never forget for the rest of my life. Jailer
since there are nine pass, that he threw the two different jets who had they put the coin to decide who is gonna, intercept that
These had the lead in their bid. Failed arrangements. Put the ball
the exact wilson goes, seventy five yards to kick feel go and instead jail and herds just
read jets and I'll never understand it on there.
Understand it. You rode out.
I will never understand it anyway.
back to the world the eagles this week. They owe me their pay.
the dolphins their home. My
two and a half baby rhino jail carter's back slaves back
I know if lane Johnson is going to play or not, and I'm well aware of all the stats of what they look like when he doesn't play. But I'm also aware of this
My has five ones in season. They beat the chargers by two
and if you remember, the charges had bought the amber just and herbert nerdy era didn't come through there.
lucky that game. There are other for games
pats by seven denver by fifty two giants by fear.
In carolina by twenty one deserted.
four dolphins wants. What are those fortunes
common, oh, I know they're for the fine work,
things in a wig.
Why is the sign? Only minus two and a half? Why are we thrown upon?
for my amy like this day to me they haven't beaten anybody, yet this feels
like a fairly revenge game for coming from last week,
I think the line should be a point higher than it should be philly by three and a half. So I'm grabbing the points eagles, minus two and a half is our first bet. The next one look.
A lot of people like this one, enormous thou that scare me, but I'm gonna, actually foot this around.
very rarely in life. Do you have a chance to bet against a potential historic, great defects in the browser
can make a case only two thousand and three yards your five weeks, and they have the look. I test. You name it
awesome.
In their playing gardener Minch, who, as
till told soured sunday. Gardener meant choose the guy and baseball where you can't stardom, but if he comes in
the third ending. He may be able to throw five really getting innings, but don't start him
starting in a game, one just be real
careful use them as a start
he's too an eleven, the browns d. By itself, I don't care to charlotte someplace
You could have thought the mitchell as a quarterback, this game, I dont care they're only length three anything.
The brows defensible will win this game by itself. They're going to
be gardner machu he's going
turn the ball over and give them the ball over and over again browns
three over the courts is our second peck. Third, one get more frisky here path
curse minus one and a half at denver whoa. How do I like the packers they're, not good backyards of the year? Now I'm gonna flip this around for you
This is a make or break green beggin there. Two and three, but
If you really look at their schedule, there's a lot of crap on their schedule laughed, and there is weird
a chance that they could still get the ten wins, but they have to win this game and there,
I a team that I think after this week
and look at each other go out embers? Taking me?
are you telling us the kind of tanking because they
got rid of randy, gregory and frank clark. Who were you know people they free defensive, wears a day
Pedro money for and they just told them to go.
I think this is our last chance to better gets denver at a fair price, because
Therefore, I win season. They want dragon
Caleb Williams, you name it and it's
hackers, minus one and a half of them are it's another road favorite. I don't care
I don't care the jordan love makes me nervous. I just think them
we have the worst record the way that is my working very worrying about money on it.
Were asking about money on the steelers, a team that I am
way over invested in early, but their plus three, the rims. First of all, those who me fifty eight
in store spencer, this might as well be home game for the steelers. That's one thing:
second, a mother rams who
Had a really nice went against the whose office is a good and mcveigh has that waste shown us?
I hey, I'm Sean mcvay, I'm one of the best coaches in league, the steelers, have
really bad condition against some good defences and they ve quitter
hard schedule already they perceived.
their somehow three into
I think they're going to realize this is the weight on these jalen worn and if you have jalen warren in fantasy or if you haven't, if you have a chance to trade for jalen Warren, I think this is the jalen warren week. The the stats, the eye test
everything when you watch them, he should just be playing
It feels a little rams crash back to earth time. Ish to me,
like, should the rams before and three with this
oases mad where they only have like six seven. You know impact
as the party had a couple injuries, they have all these and drafted fridges and rookies. This is it
that's gonna to ten and seven or eleven and six I dont see it, I think be
stewart a bang conditioned. You know they ve paid a bunch. They put the two best defense
as you know it, thereby the niners the boy, the browns
so here down on that you know they're ready for it. This feels like a like a close came to me. In that mean,
that. Can you pick it again? They may allow me to point out.
It's gonna be above late. It is gonna, make a play, and I like the stores, prostrate
kind of like the stewards motherland table. Let's grab the push through just in case last, but always the
the squares tease on the board. A joe has,
he's about ever seen one, and yet I can't resist it.
Bills. Minus eight and a half over the patriots were teasing that data minus two enough. I'm on the record with patriots
we ve got to get some every week there not get there.
our intention of being good there's some stuff
banking possibilities going on a railway now and
the thing that could potentially appended
Is it bad check make
the decision that he doesn't want to add
career losses record before he gets a career woods record. I think
he's gonna: do it right for the time they are not good, they should lose
the bells it's important
for the bills coming off a really really really shaky giants game. Last week's today this gesture
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Ben pretty. If this year and
really bad. Last week, especially in the red zone, they have a lot of weapons
This is a get gino back on track week, so we're gonna teach the seahawks down a minus one and a half bills.
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A key defensive start. Every week you are feeling like, after you beat miami you're, probably feeling like super bowl. Here we come now how you feeling well first off great to be back. Thank you very much
after losing to new york and weak one. I felt horrible. I don't know if I ever felt lower as a
fan. In the last ten or so years I mean I was the sky
I stood by their performance. It was
got just just uninspired performance
roger goes down. How do you know when I find
we rebound at capital w and
get all the way to the miami game after the seventy point, drubbing against denver and now I'm like alright we're back- and I was he I was this close to texting you and saying how are those playoffs looking bill? I was this close to being cocky bills fan once again,
I hate the london aims. I
you? I love london, I love england. I love soccer as well. I dont understand why these teams
in the midst of a seventeen game, regular she's and have to go all the way to england and play these important games on this substandard field. Could you imagine if a primarily
team had to play a regular season game here at the meadowlands or add so fine
never stand for it. They would never ever stand for. Yet we have to go over there and our whole defense gets decimated because of that crap turf. That was the big problem. We always seem to play poorly against the jaguars.
And then you know the giants game. I just don't even know what to make of that. How do you play like that at home against terror taylor? So I'm not feeling great, I'm still very carefully. I still soul of the team, always back them. I still think we make the playoffs. I stop it. You look silly.
I'd, be I'd, be truly lying to fire. If I said I could puff my chest out and say that we are the beasts of the f right. While the good thing is you,
The patriots come in this we get yeah, that's a nice
anyway, my after we beat you guys for twenty years. Now you get to it just revenge twice a year, so probably get back on track.
The other thing is: there's no great. I have seen him so.
everybody you look out and you go her well, that's him
like that Jimmy there, and then you gonna, run added seems so. This
where'd by weak, seven, not to have a favorite
yulia is that it feels like the chiefs need to make at least one
for I know they got mccall hartman the soup, but it feels like the needs make a trade for somebody who gives them calcium insurance policies, thirty for his character,
dancing around the taylor swift every week, and I just
can't trust that he's the one
weapon for ten more weeks, and you guys
just be able to outscore. Everybody might be one of those years. Words like are one best thing is better than everybody else's. One
Staying you know I would usually
we with you, but then you watch watch I on Sunday night night ended in score, pointed to the fourth quarter. Against the giants, I mean I just don't
stand. It I really truly donna. Nor can any one explanation for it, because I was sad or is it can draw the fact that day,
I was there for years now. I know
and I do feel like we really do underestimate I'd. I personally always underestimated the coach going back against a team that he knows intimately has when sound. I thought
on sunday, when you're under the hood, like that with all
so now you know exactly what everybody canning can't do. You know all the weaknesses in the designs and then
going against it. You can't you just point out like we do this
josh out those like when we do this, and if you do this to Digs- and you have all this in tablets almost that fair so now
to me is the explanation your
so right now and I and I should have said that as I was lamenting the fact that they couldn't
core for the full. Admittedly right, it's annoying, that's the only possible explanation is the giants DE was off all season. No, he gets the majority of the credit for turning
gosh into who used today bright able that is
I have said
alternate universe is a part of me that wishes that he stayed in buffalo and then Mcdermott less, because I think that darn good of a coach, I think his his rosters and good, and so I am not going
blame him necessarily for how the giants look, but you know that
No dear. How do you not score for the first three quarters against a new york giants?
tyrod taylor. This isn't two thousand and seventeen I mean it was. It was really hard to watch and it was very deflating, but that's a you know that it's an up and down season.
We have our our downs, I'm not writing them off. It's just me. It's it, sir.
These are the games. You have to win in the one thing that I dont there has been talk by milan, I think, is one of the best efforts of players in the lead.
Losing him is heartbreaking. We'll get fine miller back great losing to devastate white is heartbreaking and you know how your hide great, but, like these injuries are killing us, and I know everyone has to deal with them, but they are devastating injuries. They are truly.
wrenching injuries and age I'll, say it again bill just want one, just one:
and I am a longer that's gotta be the answer
You really are going by having learned,
They know the english
to know the economics of it. I dont fully understand it. Maybe there's some sort of it's just so much money from a merchandising.
Tv ratings in being able to sell package's overseas and there it there
has to be some sort of pro campaign that the dead were there just like this is worth it, and even if there's some wear and tear in the players, we don't care. There has to be a flex situation where, if you're like one
or by the timing game start your eligible to go, but if you're superbowl contender
If arsenal or metal united happening
to america midseason with thirty,
games in their regular she's. If they had to come here, their fans would riot grace
I have games right. We had
machine games. Why do we,
in all the way to england and
and do that, where we're trying to win a superbowl here and not even off a buyer before by
after by none of that. You have to go right back into the mix, ridiculous, absolutely riddick, and by the way, though, can we start on the jagged having to spend two weeks there, so these they got?
made it thou nonsense as well. They got spend two weeks there to prepare a week
to go in there. I know it sounds our grave sure, but look at my twitter, I called this beforehand. I said this is absolutely unfair and
and look? What happened? Was a total disaster made ruined or season s?
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jack's eleven one cleveland fourteen one bengal, sixteen one steelers thirty, two to one.
I honestly don't know I don't like any other.
I'm sick. I would rather take a longshot and hope the bengals get their shit together at sixty. No one can take any the favorites I like now
the favourite I'll tell you that I'm afraid I need those teams. What's so fresh,
bill about all this is that it's right there like there's, no beast, it's right there for us, and I don't know for ever. Have this
again and again, and I felt that way two years ago with thirteen second and all that, but, like I m not afraid of it,
I am certainly not afraid of the dolphins, not afraid of the bangles,
fraid of any these teams. I just I feel that we have the right
sir. I feel it will good enough. We have the fire power. Despite the injuries we have the defence, it's right there. I think that that'll turn it around. I think that those
it you know figured out and do we're going to go on a magical run here. Las vegas can be lit in february, will go crazy in vegas on the strip you'll see bill, you'll, see many legendary vegas run of all time. At one million
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Stolen roads can be awesome, your necks, yes, so rough precision, let's find some
offensive lapses
body wondering about what's going on, but I took the over at that there can be an eye for it is high forties. I did you say
you come back with the agenda
this little worse
and their position, for you know you have to do this. Yet again you have these
he's dangling over you now with the young
this may be in a year manner.
if you saw wood today with the box, like all the sudden terrace dots, it was going to be the lead assistant on the bench he's just gone. He just was like I'm out for the bucks.
So. They have a new coach, the person
we'll, be there right, his writing guys just out redford season. So there's some coach
slow down, there's some defence.
Real issues that I think I just don't. Think people realise that dame
to a player. Never really was
then you have miami who I'm still terrified of, but they
with a running back with the same team, missing a couple guys and simply one guy who does yeah they're missing cleveland. Who knows they have to eat you guys spanked them yeah, so it'll be better as a roadmap that you know you're one trade away from really being a shit, but I feeling I'm feeling
good about top five, I'm feeling good about the over I'm not worried about the precision. I don't think we'll sneak up on people like we did last year. I think everyone knows who jail in is yet at expects empty.
Even better and more dangerous and you'll command a lot more respect. I, like the Dante, pick up. I like that, didn't blow it up. I like that they didn't try to do something dramatically different. I like that, it's
like its good vibes other than Evan Fournier. Unlike who really cares? There's no drama is no malcontent. There's. No.
Really big thing hanging over their heads: it's just
what of like a mid tier eastern conference. Playoff teams missing that big piece to take them into the top three. I'm not going to talk about the knicks like I would about the bills. I I ultimate don't think the knicks are a top three eastern conference team, but I think they're a top five or six easter conference. He met the beacon they could avoid the play in tournament and
they're missing a piece, but guess what, after the last twenty years, I'm okay with that, I'm okay with a solid team with a great point guard with some pieces here and there, let's see how Rj, matures after the world cup, showing he looked good in that. Ah no problem. Last time we spoke
was leading into the usa game. We'll have to bring it up, don't worry about it of the fact you guys avenging properly
the of interest for power with a jinx pike ass for us we're out great. I was the last time we talked with the: u s canada looming in that they both us
We got you as candidates, fine I'll, take you as we realise that the third place gave that's fine, that's fine! I just love all the guys are now coming together to be a canada. Outta thought they did that they're, so embarrassed,
the notion that they lost to canada, that they all have to come together to try to beat us in in august next year, guess what they have no answer:
Kelly olympic? No wonder so? Yeah, ok d! In all these guys they could stay at home. If you ask me, but I'm I'm cautiously optimistic about the next, I'm ok with the top five and
I'm curious to see what happens on the trade deadline if their. If there, you know, if they're in the running for something if they
we're cheap just a little bit. Do they go for the gusto? Do we wait for next summer and I'm cool with this? I'm okay with this, this is okay or being a top. Five team is okay. I would have
given that in two thousand ninety doesn't ten. I'm totally. Ok with you guys.
And pole position first something. Yes, it's
daddy and I had one of the leading suitors fur assets.
as we know in the nba shipments fast I'd see
last week. You were in where we,
with manchester manchester beautiful manchester england?
Well, my son and I we pay per viewed
inside nice, the first fight, the first main event, was
an absolute disgrace, the worse things I've ever seen in my life, I've never seen some
Somebody just decide not to throw punches for five rounds as like a strategy, and I'm good
never saying a! U have see fighter box again
I know why the pause.
It's a smart move by them. They're, taking these guys who these names their grab? Wiesner, tough, tough, but they also don't know, really had a box, so
What then henderson mosaic
let me add on this. That was the first time I said, o thou
so he be fairly interesting. As you know, he actually could throw some hands, but for the most part, this
as our boxers? So how
do. You think the pause can snooker the american public.
into thinking there watching real boxy matches when there now
actually watching mailbox matches cause they not stockard me in my son, I would say for five times so how many more
How can they do this? For a while, I love that your son is even in
This is a tremendous thing. Lies ahead with him, I'm glad that they got him in a boxing even more like he really enjoys at. He cares and that's actually
a really important thing to note. I was there I bit like this year. I want to spend crawford. I want to take our senior both a t, mobile right, honest to god. They're probably was
thousand people in that twenty thousand seat arena by the time the comin event happened for those massive main events right, no one shows up for the under card on saturday for this mission.
boxing card? Not only was it probably seventy percent full before the first fight of the night, like tagamet, like five six hours of funding by the time the main card started. Clearly
four, and it wasn't even a? U of sea crowds, as you see crowds typical,
in short, from the beginning, tenth was even that it was a good w b crowd the amount of ten to twelve year old kids that I saw their bloom
the way this. What they're doing right now with this crossover boxing and I always have to say, crossover, influence or boxing picture
your word it doesn't matter. If you have to call it that cause it's something completely different than traditional boxing. It's great that he gets someone like your son to just watch boxing period, but it very important to reckon
I see that this isn't traditional boxing. This isn't Canelo Spence crawford tank Davis. It's not that it's crossover slashed
for answer box in the same way pro wrestling an olympic wrestling.
same thing, but they share one word: you have to be able to recognise that these two entities are different right, that'll be wrestling, be rustling is the same as collegiate or olympic wrestling at. So what this is is a bunch.
we're very popular to a sector of society and they go in there and they settle their differences at all. I see
looking man after these events seem like. I feel like I've.
Stop it. I feel like I've been it'll bamboozled like what did you expect? These aren't traditional boxers? They dont have the deed
the experience. They don't have the time they don't have the resume. Like the other people. Do you see
in the ranks. That's one thing I need to note number two dont dan is what they're going to buy a danish could throw a couple punches male, forgetting the thing I think punches he's not
I see photo he's about or fighter who fought a couple of months. He even
the guy who you know, deliver my over each last night. Ok he's not!
traditional striker he's too
no in an ever make age he's a great big J J practitioner, but his is
his hands have never been his thing, never been his thing. What he did was he picked a fight and he did a tremendous job of selling a fight and so became very personal between them. What he did, in my opinion,
was tried to tire out Logan Paul in the first round, because he thought he was big and muscle bound guy and he's. Ok, let me allow him to empty the tank and then
I will pour it on and the third. That's what coach told me that he wants to do the problem was she got rocked in the second
was like you know what I want nothing to do with this. I don't want to be embarrassed. I don't want to be knocked out. I don't want to be a meme. Let me just try to survive.
Then let me try to make my own me. That's why you saw him. Do the take down the gdr. He tried to take the as this playbook. It ended up being it
well sham of a fight because of that- and I just think he was trying to survive. He was trying not to get embarrassed. I give logan some credit. He was teeing off. He was trying his best. He just doesn't have the power to knock someone out who's, putting his hands up
and protecting his face and, as he said to me afterwards, I dont think you want to have a career boxing like his brother, does at ease and go back to w b and maybe pop up one or more two times and
pretty much it, so you just have to recognize what you're watching should
been better absolutely could it have been better perhaps, but I get frustrated what people say. This is it. This is
This is the example that boxing is dead. It's not that there is a tremendous amount of fights happening back into the year. Have happened already
these separately. It's been a good boxing year, yet you re best boxing years. Dummylike, it you're amazing,
bad on that word stars when I was a kid,
it's always and sports. It was a different version of sports, but we always knew. I think, the difference with this.
There is so much bad blood leading up to the part that is fight that you're. Just like
this'll. Actually these guys are going to kill each other, so they did a great job selling it, and you know I felt a little hoodwinked. Let's not pretend that some fights, moma and boxing don't sometimes fall short ride like Canelo charlo a couple of weeks ago. That was horrendous with it. It just happens sometimes, but
I agree that it is frustrating I would also say guess what
out of the main event, was more frustrating them come in. The main available lesson was awful. The meda
one of the worst bites of embassy, they were clinching every two seconds. If you couldn't,
look. I don't even know what they were doing, that that at least at least
standing there doing this in logos, king off the main was, as I said, on the broadcast borderline, if not not borderline,
watchful. We'll cares. I had his strategy of
kind of lunch forward and then thrown overhand right and an almost worked like the first three times, but the other thirty seven time wasn't as effective and then he had no plan b that tommy fury.
just not a real boxer. So was pretty
I will say we watched all of it. I heard of the treaty
he's gonna have forborne smarts amazing.
They had no right time, but it's a lackey me
It's it's really whack. Yet it's weird that it really does matter to my son's generation because represent. I was like explained this case. I think to me:
I don't have it is. This is like when a big
influences in the world than mike. What does that mean in my sons?
he's one of the biggest influences in the world that every time we put a video, very watches it like this goddamn land,
being an alarm being
then how do people receive him like he is he is ass,
famous, as unilaterally hyperbolic racy. It's crazy. How much he hasn't trap like he hasn't translated to America as much as there
so very popular here. You know when this fact the is but like over. There
He was the main like that whole show was built around here.
he is. He is
like a mega star over there is, while I think,
reminds me a little. They accept fell the first time around where there was a bad product, but there are interesting things
learn from it and at the it fell, learn from it and work things out, boxing
save it learns from eventually is that day I don't understand why they throw away the entire under guard. Not have good fights,
I usually the second, the last
maybe that third last fight, usually pretty good fight of becoming boxer, sir,
somebody you know who canopy three years ago, but it still ads for the hard core boxing people prefer the fans,
They know that are at the sharp until read before you made the key point you have see,
like we want. We want a couple months ago and my son was we were there like in a three thirty in my son when you get up and we watched from
straight hours whenever was but everybody
Is there an embryo is into it and even in the the precaution?
before the main event guard
people were in their seats and getting anywhere and gone fora and that's a partner,
boxing's. Gotta figure, they've gotta figure out some sort.
Strategy, where your main- and that is the real fight, but then that the stuff
four, it should also be interesting and maybe they're gonna have to abandon changed. Everything
bad stuff, maybe some other ways they did it. The old business tat should just be stuff. That's on espn at midnight you now
for the hard for a hard core box and people, that's it well. I guess it has been a great europe.
In my opinion, I refuse to accept that box in his dying. But it's a fascinating time for boxing as well.
Maybe he'll show time is out, and so, where does pvc go? Pvc
is home to the likes of troy Davis.
hello, and so many others, and so do they go to
disown. Who, then, is the
of not only match room who are huge and then
also golden boy and is the zone sort say hey, you guys have to play nice together and we need to start getting deeper cards, because you know the promoters darkness
we want to play nights together and co. Promote that happened. Do they go to an amazon? Did they go to an apple? It is crazy, though. Could you have imagined telling
when ten years ago that it be noted
your boxing and no showtime boxing. Now I was when I need be out and they killed it and crazy day. They were in china, no man's land with it for years and years, but I still feel like
I like it was an asset for them and they had a mismanaged did and then they got to. The point were probably wasn't worth doing, but it by
thing is going where they probably needs to go, which is the streaming universe near because it
their diehards. It's got the diehard fans, aroun watch every single fight.
It may not be as bigger nodded says he used to be, but
You can still monetize that audience and whether at seven hundred thousand people are one point, two million people whatever it is
the little reminiscent debbie, but I also think it.
I was excited to talk to us about like the the
you're that happen without the tito. Basically, I am convinced that by
things can be the third piece of this end.
especially now that showed times out, hbo thou europeans in but not
two percent and then the zone or probably get bigger, but
the zones asked a lot of money. If
as I there's a ripe time here for them,
the brain, their whole infrastructure, as you have seen
Debbie Debbie, and then you bring that infrastructure into boxing in
you can have all we're talking about where you have a huge fight. That's just
and fight, but you also may be happy you of sea fight and you have these crossover cards and or you have
like same day events. Words like boxing's in the afternoon, the new of at niner, either
That's where the how this plays out and as you know, Nixon Was- has all this huge bottles
wise around this year's like his favorite sport. So I look at it like that.
Escape. Is there for the taking and we have this model if that's building right now, just visit they're gonna grab it in some way.
Your friend in my neck on huge boxing guys started in boxing many minutes ago. Dana white shoot boxing day as well has, as has
flirted with the idea of going into boxing. So I think they won t kill
The name only pertains really to Emma may right now. There's britain is on a thing in wrestlings. I think they chose those three letters. You know on
it is no coincidence had so it feels like some
is coming, I have no intel on that, but it just seems like it's right there. For that
again the losers dreamer, it's probably not up on this problem at amazon is raised.
it's probably one of the more desperate streamers right, it's like paramount or peacock or somebody that
dublin on Burma is paramount. Just got out of the show time business right, so there's no yet only options current existing, unlike any streamer that needs to
I basically a packet of one point: two million fans or whatever the back. Something is, but
What about the fact that the report, a number for the paper view that crazy cross over them was one point: three million buys wonderingly,
buys on a saturday
afternoon in america, obviously
big obedience, but like throwing a lot of fight right now that urgent
rating one point: three million, so people can
After all, they want, but there's
die hard audience at loves the stuff. Let's take
break, and then we get its accuracy
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back up such bills in it. Are you see to ninety four?
one of the things I love about. The you see is that some
it can be allayed scratch and then
fuck em, some awesome fight out of nowhere and say we have got three weeks notice in the paper
ready raw. I think maybe it's because
In view of sea of you, you lose a fight,
so at the end of the world and boxing, if you lose a fight, especially view building some sort of undefeated record or whatever streak your on any,
completely devastating for this one, five inches come it changes how much money you make how you're perceived by the public- and you have
it's a little
it's a little less risky, but
now we end up with the to fight. So
my son's going nuts you he was
we had taken lisbon under his usa, zinc them
I still remember his telling me the bets like under. He can knock this guy out, say, were wide open under and I'm like what they need.
What you're giving me giving advice? How dare you
going to us and
which one is more excited about. Ok sources:
I agree with everything that you said: could you
Let's not talk about like one of the bigger fight of the year that say tankers in open as biggest spends crawford in terms of light, be the fight on pay out
and if one of those guys would have pulled out the whole them would have been cancelled.
They were the blood into someone at the last minute. So it's great that the usa has the system, which is why I was
it's built, a lot more like wb than pro boxing, where they can mix and match the guys at the last minute. Then you have a want people to recognize us. You have a summer hutch of the lightweight champion of the u of c he's he's scheduled for trial.
Albert who he smoked a year ago in Abu Dhabi. Wasn't close fight at all since then
Charles is one one fight, and so they ran back as there was really no one else. Charles get injured eleven days before the fight
about nine days ago now, and he had cut above his, I can't fight, they call up outspoken, ascii who's. The feather
champion. The fight on eleven days notice after he fought is,
in February, in Perth, australia and lost by the skin of his chief. When fibroids
one is controversial and might very controversial, and he says yes, he takes this fight.
might be one of my favorite athletes right now, just because he is such a no nonsense like hard had lunch pale kind of guy just says yes, whatever
I get it he's the chant moving up. He has nothing to lose. He doesn't loses bells all that stuff or come on man he's ever
he's, not getting another crack at the belt. If you lose this fight era, you know he's
he's, got a legacy to preserve here. He
he's taken as part of eleven days notice and
If he loses that's it for him. I want fifty five
until he goes in there, oh by the way he just fought in July, and he just had elbow surgery and he only got medically cleared a month ago and he's taking this fight. It's just amazing, so I will say that I am infinitely more interested
in the new main event than I
in the old made of it. I, like the vulcan, ask him after five because of how close the first
wasn't story going into this one way more than the march of oliver fight. On the flip side, I will say I am infinitely less interested,
and be comin about the new common event which is home such my risk,
I was better than the original comment about which was Paolo costa forces. On such my those two costume, I had bad bloody.
Hate each other. This is like a year and a half long build. This is like hogan andre wrestle three billion
Huisman has taken his fight again on eleven days' notice. There's some rumors about his body being a little bit banged up, we'll see if that's true he's getting up there in age, he didn't look good in his last fight. I just I I think I think
I've roles in a very big way against them. I just don't think that he has anything cannot on this. Yet you do not take.
It's crazy ozma under schumann
is, is going to be a champion is just a matter of when she is a
gary beast of a man who spends going up from one seventy.
When did he find drivers fought at one in five or whatever you do not take please do
I take guzman under if you want- or maybe it was the under for the rounds. Maybe it was the newsman under. Maybe it was the just the rounds regardless of winner. It doesn't matter the way my son's an idiot said as yet do not do that. Do not do that now. You want to take a flyer on a volt pulling off the upset. I'm down with that. You want to take a flyer on. You know, vogt pulling off the upset with a with a stoppage, I'm down with that.
But as far as an underdog taken in you're going to spawn under that's, I mean that spurning money might my opinion. Volk though the last fight
Which now like there's you two breakdowns, obeyed her fate, you
mega casey, one, the last five supercool.
You really like. You wanted a round that like here, that, if you flip, if he wins it, you could also make a case that, if those like.
Thirty seconds or a minute left in the last round. If there was anything but will that he
was on route to maybe getting a stoppage, was that close like he was? I reckon hulking up at the end there. So look it's a little bit different, now short notice coming off the surgery. Also, Islam is the fan favorite in Abu Dhabi
I see a very predominant muslim country. You are ye and
vulcans are going from being the man in australia to being on quote unquote enemy territory in the? U a e. So it's a little bit of a different scenario for him, but I love the fact that there's really,
pressure on his shoulders because, like I said, if you lose
yeah. He doesn't get another crack at one. Fifty five, but he's still the one. Forty five champ and this guy is so great bill. He was scheduled,
in january against elites warrior whose incredible undefeated guy from Spain georgia,
says I'm still going to fight in january, just cause. I'm taking this right, don't worry toronto! You have him
is main event I'm to fight. That's
second, a little over two months time. No one does the EU have seized very
lucky to have outspoken ascii because he is more active than any champion on their roster. He always turns up and he always delivers its. It's amazing to watch him
any ass, sneaky fight on this card earlier they love well the best.
The night is gonna, be the main event. In my opinion, I'm really interested in the johnny walker magomed on callias fight might have
We need some new blood johnny workers are very.
caning fighter he's a little bit funky he's too
You may have heard you want to fight a madison square garden. He did the worm afterwards, any that he had a his shoulder.
So the youth he was very upset about that. But he has.
He's recently moved to ireland and got married in ireland in our trade that economy Gregory Jim strip last june in ireland and he's on a bit of a winning,
each year is one three in a row. This is a tough tough match up for him, but I think if you beat him,
The men on collide was one of these strong, durable, terrifying dagestan fighters
I think he had a title shot here and we've got the light heavyweight title,
on the line next month, madison square garden, so
that's the one I'm really looking forward to and is a young men, Mohammed Mihai of who was born in July, two thousand and believe it or not.
and he's fighting a veteran name at him elliot, and he wants to be the youngest champion in europe's history and its close were like
seven eight months away from that happy, the record is John jones, twenty three years of age. Maybe if you wins this fight, he could get that opportunity. That's the feature, fight on the problems of those are the other to fight said. I think
and be worth watching. Who, as you know, I get home, I am a man fell from the ringer amicia, my salary
I have made my son on the shop hazy why he probably said here
my son reported to me recently: wasn't he didn't break the story, but he was important to me that Conor Macgregor was entered the drug Porto. Why dad?
You know what this means he's come on,
I'm like. Of course, he's gonna come back, he's probably broker close to broke. At this point, I got him whilst you're going with them
no, no, not at all he's killing it with his proper twelve in his forged irish doubt but tat discos. First of all,
Mr Santer, even knowing the stuff like on that level, but it got when even deeper.
because they had a deal with you, sata united states, that they doping
asean Usanga, who you know, is considered. Maybe too many people like the gold standard. As far as drug testing is concerned, this
They had an eight year relationship and it's been severed. It's it's now done as december in large part because of the economy gregor drum,
and they put up his scathing press release, detain shots
You have seen in the? U of c had their own press conference go back and forth, so this has become a huge thing because of the will he be drug tested. Does he have to be drug tested for six months because he removed himself from the pool?
The whole thing that I won't bother you bout but has actually really interesting thing that,
It's like me care about right now. There's no collective bargaining in the! U of c the footers have no say whatsoever in anything that goes on. They could slap logos on their shirts. They don't give them a cut of the tv deal all that stuff, but they're about to institute a new drug testing policy. I think it's time for the fighters to come together and say: hey you,
drug test me. Twenty four seven, three sixty five and I have no say in the matter: they have to get fill out an app twenty four, seven, three six five
to tell them where they are, if they gonna trip to costa rica, and they don't tell them to their country.
they come to the house in Chicago and
If the doorbell they're not there, they get a strike. Three strikes and you're suspended for a year. It's crazy what these fighters have to go through. So I'm curious to see if they're going to speak up they're, probably not, if I'm being honest but there's a
what is this interesting stuff going on in a mammoth by the way, can ask you about your son? Where would he rank 'em a right now like? Is it number one for him? It's it's high high high number one son wow look more than nfl.
Leon embossed than this week and he's furious tat. I went to boston to see my daughter during this.
Down. When there's you see a bed there in LA
south is aiming at a lot order it or will he still order, are here
he got his own espn account somehow and was ordering orders
yahoo order, no still see everything he loves it. I mean this is baseball for that generation
debates, like my son, does know. What's going on a baseball who care less, but
as was gone out with them, I may
so have an interest, an inner. We talked about
this before, but you have these three generations now you have like people. Basically in my dreams, tat were started watching
twenty years ago in some cases, and then you have
people in their like thirty's were watching as teenagers now paying customers Lydia,
generation. So you know
this is what happens when you bet around for twenty five years. She really start building something. I love
differently Debbie! Actually, when you had like
he's die hard resting fans and that's it.
and helga mania comes in and it grows this whole new generation and then in the late nineties, where it had the second resurgence. Those were all like that
the poker mania who were now spending adults shut,
in their yarn- and that was in speaking of Debbie, sir-
we didn't talk about a w last time for you and what oh,
tsar situation, that's been for them. This shared feel it felt like they were toto, adobe debbie there for a little bit and a bunch
on forest errors, stay bet on seeing punk, which was like the dumbest thing. You could do that
backstage stuff, the tony
thing was was kind of crazy,
and it made me think like compared like vents, who is this agri?
macho guy for fifty years
for better or worse than theirs was somewhere in there too.
you know somebody that could climb in the ring and was just as legendary, don't fuck with them guy and then you have tony con, whose son of a rich guy who is
in this world of testosterone and huge personalities, and he now
behavior and you know that
sad story about how he was crying backstage after this decision punk they, who knows what was true, not true, but it feels like,
That's unravelling little bit ly. Would it what do you think about just watching from afar, where
w s words gone, so the aid of you
hate me because they think I'm some sort it over to be shell, even though, on this programme with you, I've been very complimentary of them.
Times. I remember vividly saying that I thought their product was better than the deputy product. The issue that I
that they have is look. There are solid number two, and there is now
Eighty w and Emma may meaning a solid number to wear a guy like edge, can go
and make money right. If you like right acquainted, you mean so
There is another nobody's number two in twenty five years. Yes,
sooner mid nineties, w w or mentally ideas. They decide that
credible show at at wembley stadium, eighty thousand or so people there, so they have
You know they have their moments. They ve got what appears to be a great deal with the Warner brothers discovery.
In a surly down on them. I just I wonder
in tony's a big fan of mine, but I feel like this is coming from an unbiased place- I just wonder if he is equipped to take them to the next level, just based on what we see from his erratic
if you're on twitter, from how he has dealt with things like the sea, upon situation, etc. I wonder if ultimately, like the fighter
Certainly the wrestlers respect him enough. You know too not act out you'd how restless
are they gonna yeah? You know they're gonna, try to walk all over you in and you know, get thea. You know get
the deal that they want to get the situation with the story, liner, thee, the result that they want. I just don't know. If he's you know if, if, if he's
a disciplinarian enough and not
fair enough to like stockings like that from happening
It always seems like there's some sort of like uprising or
me going on in the locker room over there. Now they bring in veterans like dying, o, brien and edge, who, I think, we'll helpings out tremendously,
it just seems a little bit crazy
Don't necessarily here that stuff over inevitably lead, but, as you know, wrestling a cyclical, there's ups,
downstairs moments where aid abuse better than data? We need you to be better than eight abuse moments where the businesses on fire and then it's not on fire. So I think what he has built is incredible,
in what, for years, it's
truly reminded there. It's really like him,
almost damn near impossible in this day and age, to get even some people. I see some people like making fun of them for getting nine hundred thousand or eight hundred. You know harder to get younger people to watch. You know, cable t,
nine hundred thousand on a wednesday or a friday. It's not easy, like just go. Look at everyone else's numbers, so my other can
By the way that I am worried, they spread themselves a little bit too thin. So many
reviews free show
a week, sometimes
as more, and so I think, they'll figure down. I think they're here
the long haul, and I think it very impressive, but I think they can. You
a little bit more muscle, so to speak
could not agree more that I think, there's too much and enlarge itself from a casual perspire.
What matters and what doesn't it? You know
and differentiated like this is our higher level. This is our lower level,
where they were like if it was
if five years ago, in there for me, I remember china commits h b o to do to do
twenty four seven when they were launching I was like this is going to be a thing like that, like tnt is behind it and
I bet there's real money as the common family in the guy's, a real wrestling fat like. I think this is a good there's something here.
and about his work as it was you
had the ground floor and they just they missed it, which you know they missed a bunch hbo sports of, but
but in fact, in less than five years to build with their bill as build has been pretty.
Oh, but I am also surprised now they're at the point where they did build something and then
is the hardest part, because their big enough that any time
then comes out anything leaks.
any sort of bad situation. It's a big deal now you know and the other thing is
spurred the Debbie Debbie, I think to go up a level and Debbie Debbie is
I think, I'm a one of its better runs that its had its fall from the sky,
they have from a merchandising standpoint from a tv standpoint, there just kind of
a good groove, whereas a couple years ago they weren't,
and here I would say three years ago, as a bad like deputy
he's mobilise, ban roman rains. Ninety mature, he can carry this,
who were there stars who's the next generation?
The double w felt like this new fresh car, but now
Oh I I feel like it feels like ww has held them off but, as you said, it's cyclical and who the fuck knows. I love when there's competition. Like I love things like you know, somebody say it's dirty, but last week a
if you had gone tuesday because of the baseball player, that was a really fine, yeah yeah, they load the deck on an x t and bring back the undertaker and all this stuff. I mean Siena yeah scene
I'm cody roads as their all's in love and war in the in the wrestling war. So to speak. But ultimately
is so much better for the business and for the athletes, and you know it's one thing that they have to get a lot of great lake.
who's. The number two promotion never may thereby to be sold to the number three p fell
it is about to happen in the next like to three weeks. Yeah, as unless the catastrophic happens there is
he'll die hard belts warfare and there is no fan going about her show say: like Bela tore, Bela took out a new dialogue, jergens other. Yet in order
I hardly die hard die hard. You like,
maybe you do nothing wrong in their eyes fans, and that takes a lot like it is
what about the tribalism and wrestling and it can be very toxic online, but what they have built in terms of fan base is,
streaming impressive now is it? Is it a fan base that was
because they were tired of having to be or they felt like. Those of you were the big bad wolf and in one room for them anymore. Who knows but the bottom line is they support them? And so, if you could build off that and not bring them,
too much to any of these old guys and not let things like the sea upon pumping happen and not let the inmates
asylum and you can truly be like,
disciplinarian back there and a good booker, though be around, for
What time he told us should be very proud of what he built. I just stir. I think someone to take away the phone, sometimes because it's not a good look when he goes on these meltdowns online, yet twitters
not going be just deactivate. Your twitter account just let someone else do, but those treaties-
for you, especially like godaddy tweet after on after the head to head staff and insight. That's the first time
anything with John scene has gotten under a million on things like I'm doing, that who cares
stop adjustment also makes you look thin skinned. Stop paying attention to them
right, you're right dear,
thing you do we never talk about you. Imagine triple age is treating like look at
the quarter hour with the edge in there boy did that fail? Like just do your own thing? Put your head down. You have a legion of people that support you. There's no need to be paying attention to the competition, and do it internally, of course, but I think extra
He is a weird look. Without the Monday night wars Debbie,
w never acknowledged, ABC w and then when they find they started, acknowledge them in doing this, sketches about ted turner and all that stuff does
is there going there asked by w w? That's that's when you respond as when you're desperate in your family,
I think there is never gonna respond dearer than a thick ada be should be desperate murmured. The turning point was when tony giovanni said:
law all unnatural? Hey, don't change the channel to the other. Two
Their guys rang here's what happened yet fully,
The whip, I'm sure the alps, but sincere.
And then everyone went over there and watch, and I was the beginning of the end so sometimes acknowledging the competition
is. Not the right thing to do. Good or bad are used.
eyes. Roman rains is the most successful villain that they ve had
We are prepared to go to the late nineties.
have. They had more successful billion in the twenty first century, but
the concept of a villain, champ
for somebody to hold the title as a villain as a whole.
It is important that there is no precedent of it. They ve always tried to make it so that a baby face was the champ or even a rosy. Here they became a big face, but
and you know there were always worried about. Would it affect merchandise and that's why they never turn siena, but in the
in some cases I hear
but he's also it hasn't her with the merchandise and it s a big that just where we as a society these days, that's true, I still maintain
museum. Should want a material in february, and nor could he rode should have
a rustle mania, because look at that,
happening afterwards. He's he's
it is present on the on the programming gay and be they had to create another title
have a world heavyweight champion on like that and now
just because the champs gotta defend the title of the champs gotta be out there. You gotta be bouncing around trading a second title, just waters down the whole thing, like I hate having I loved when he unified the belts of the two belt. Now he's got two belts and Seth rollins has his own belt, like what's the biggest criticism of boxing right like there are too many belts, the a b c belts right. We like
we don't need to heavyweight champions yet another.
You two champ run with him, and if he can,
need some time off then give the summit
you're too hot guys right there. You had sammy in february yet cody in April. I still I still they done a lot of good this year and the product has been fun, but I still feel that those who were mistakes out have taken either of those biased sammy materials, one of the best crowds that I've ever seen
lives. I thought I would have an incredible and then, if not one, when that didn't happen outside of sure code he's gonna win yeah
The code who's gonna went to ours that that was for those either. You know as yours,
How can I just thought of an idea about how the belts don't matter?
If somebody was to get in a boxing in a railway,
say amazon cycle were taken boxing, russia,
damone other resources and really go after this or apple, or even he s bank attention this, but
If the network that went after boxing or the streamer or lead sailors,
He kayo there. What have they cry?
da the belts and they
has had more money at stake in their like. These are the boats we are actually going to
fresh lies this whole mass. Nobody knows what belt as what
Neither the boats, we have the most money from now on it, so you will be the amazon walter rate champion of the amazon light have which would have ten divisions.
And it's the amazon bell, but
paying way more money than anybody else
that work whereby too idealistic will essentially talking about is the you have see right through you see just create their own belts.
It could happen by the way misfits, which is the promotion that you watch last week in manchester. They have their own belts via the problem. Is they don't know
so they play by the same rules as traditional boxing, and so I think that the w b
he's in the w b owes the the
the doubling of the world they would have an issue with that.
They would say, no one can a sanction. Your beds, if you have these like food, Gacy belts, so I think that that would be a problem in boxing
is the way boxing is structured in may was the wild west,
you have see was Emma may become a reality and that there is no room they were able to do. That adds another thing that they have in their favour. They don't have to there's no such thing as a mandatory in the world of you have see. There's no commission that says actually
that guy in belet or is the number one contender at once. Seventy solely on edwards has to fight him next, you guys have to call promote, doesn't exist, but it does exist and in boxing because it is these
you know these are sanctioning bodies, so
vague, you know him.
obama.
While obama was that was our one chance from two thousand nine to does sixteen that I remember writing a piece about this too, like we needed us-
words are he's the only one that would have actually
stood. How important it was that somebody? How many
billions of dollars. Professional sportsmen
for the economy, how good how good it is for just the ecosystem of america. You talking hundreds
billions of dollars and
he was the one that understood that a gesture but like I am now putting this under.
government and we're gonna monetary and stuff like boxing and you have see- and you know the nobel ask you can't
Fifty teams we're going to oversee this hidden. However, like I just needed some com,
in person to just step,
bill. I k boxing. This is broken
we're gonna undo this redo. It again- and you have an hour later us- is it too late.
Well, it's private! Probably there. I don't see the two thousand twenty four candidates on either side figure. It out will probably know where your mother there to see doing these are doing much these days or does it have to get using writing his play golf for like six hours a day. It is now time for this, but obama would have been the perfect sports are you'd have an amazing thing,
sk about right. Now they basketballs fuckin mess mess
We started on this a midsummer tournament. Dismay that element is the stupidest idea, stupid idea. I hated our james hearted, just easiest gonna hold the sixers hostage say he opted into his own contract and now one play you acted in
four billion short for fucking work.
It is a terrible. We need a sports, I'm tellin you. Maybe this is obama. You know eight year
as president was a warm up for the most important job on the planet. Sport czar,
I was yeah. We need you, obama, we need somebody, you do,
yup, have a good point. It would be great to have a national commission where it's not like California has their own thing and nevada has their own thing. I've always said if there was
like one national,
about sports commission. There would be
more uniformity unless high jinx
but I'm not a mumble able scandals potentially to if we have a universal commission I came in.
age and some of the bribery things that would happen in some of the extortion and age
Man is black college sports. We don't need
this step in as a gun
meant and try to fix some of this college sports. It talk about wild wild west, some believable
you know, you're, never gonna fix it. Just isn't really happen. Is that unfortunately,
we'll be nicer midway, fury and got it
watching next week, when we talk in it
heavy way. Chamfers is have you a chap coming together,
in the combat away,
this known as saudi arabia, amuses bigtime business, radio somebody's got,
point to me. The one time the mme guy has beaten awesome boxing guy has, it ever happened them at once
there can be no washed up box. You know it's about, like, though in boxing know doesn't happen in europe and they can be the washed up boxing guy. If he was fighting, you know, somebody like go will wear them,
and there were the two brothers could got the cook got all through like ours.
He's. Fighting could go whose forty nine years old and has a lot is happening inside. I've got an urgent fury, fears, fought broadening recently
he's a lotta was debating on fury. The item is a favorite.
I remember my show this. We gotta go one way and then right after the red after the battle we
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events. Earlier lawyer, I described earlier time right two to five easter. This is
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each other for a long time now, not quite tenures beget there and we have guilty pleasures from time to time. Content
in the tv and movie rum they
not proud of.
we enjoy. We don't know why we enjoy it. We know it's a good, but we watch every week
got to the point with the morning show, which I think is one of the worst shows. I watched in the last five six years that I shall look forward to tuesday nights. When I know it's popping odd, can't wait
new morning show cause I'm just in disbelief every week every week where I think they're are able to tap outwardly
yours that one thing that happened last absurd is then you get billy credit.
singing ain't, no mountain high enough with his mother character that we just met for like four minutes. This is
thing that happened in episode? Seven: what is it about the show amanda? They have no shame
and also no connection to what their audience wants from them, but that also yields beautiful things re because they give us a lot of.
Does that we don't want, including reenactments of recent news events from the last three years they have somehow simultaneously ban reenacted covered the jan six riot, and every
single like breaking news event that haunted us from twenty twenty two, twenty, twenty, two don't forget: Roby wade get. I hope I turn yeah cause it
we wanted to go through that went again here. The icy cherry picked all the worse things that happened over the last three years are like, let's make out than out of this, not just one time somehow they're not going chronologically they're using flash back up its efforts to make us relive covert like five six times
I've been living in march, twenty twenty through them.
learning show for at least three hours at the same time, the fact that they are doing so many things means that we get some things that I didn't, but I didn't why, but still really enjoy taxing with you about. You know, and it's like I look.
Where did tuesday night, because I don't want to hear from you. You know I'd like a nice time when we can talk about how we did not need to know
bout. The major media moguls mommy issues, but somehow we do
I'm always amazed and delighted when somebody in my life tells me that there was so much in the morning shap, because I feel real, shame that have lasted twenty six episodes or ever it is. I was texting with. Our
was the more yesterday, and
Somehow the morning show came up and he
become addicted to mine.
You mean like, ironically,
Do it or not, ironically, addicted to it and then
proceeded to make a case. You know he
examined them.
I think she's doing some of the stuff she's done in the last ten years of the show, and I like
What's going on is this? Who took? Was this phone?
yeah methods, ridiculous terrible, but you know they're big actor.
They spend a lot of money on it, so it's
clearly is in some way and that no other shows in where they could use.
bring in John him he's gonna play like based.
Handsome elon musk he's gonna be woefully miss, cast an
she's gonna be don draper having an affair with fifty three road rachel from friends,
and we're just gonna, try, listen similar, who looks astonishingly good day for the adult kind,
and scenes I mean not full adult content, say: let's talk,
that was like as a sexy. Yes with that
a morning follow obscene where she's, just why naked? On top of John him and it was like- I went on a label, you could write menu dissertations on how lighting is used in this show both for character building and just in terms of who gets what light, and in what situation the actual sexy was so dark that I had to Alex.
Went and be a creeper to make sure that it was them, but I do think it was them. Oh, it was
Fifthly, there may be other tom cruise Kelly miguel, us tat got exactly in the age of eighty. Six were just like darken somebody's lying on somebody, and you can even really make out right arrows and international movement.
It's not erotic, but then again in the mornings.
What is also lying on somebody and its jennifer afghanistan, and I just want to say she has been a spokesperson over the years for many forms of exercise and body a you know, care and they appear to be working, and I would I think those companies have invested their money. Well,
They also like. She knows you there
all the same friend circle. So its super weird, it's like if in your friend circles, if just
people that have been in the same circle, all the sudden had to fake date. Young men
out and do Stephanie like our right, I see it. This is just too weird. I just saw you guys it thanksgiving last year.
That's not even close to being the where, despite the show no tat exist,
the coney island eight, which unites, gives through a lot of episodes, which I think is for the best, but they had to go on an extended data, coney island
Yeah we did so prestige tv. We did the first two and we were kind of like this is not a show that should be in the prestige tv feed. Fortunately, the press
you see we have real shows coming back with brown s name
filter. Emma stone show true detectives coming like where the prestige tb feeds could be back.
This show was not worthy of the prestige reed, but they had.
Coney, island aid. Since the last time we talked where they're just add
I don't, know a pretty big, amusement park and she's
supposed to be basically the most famous female tv anchor,
personality, those basically
and sawyer and maize isla musk, but she is like in the world of the morning, shows she's if Diane sawyer, who respect answer, were also also answered
You know what I mean it's right there. The psychosis of the show is that the morning tell,
and show is the most important thing on the planet.
and I know my muse the evening- is the second most important that exactly in there just
the golden rides and get the corn dog has hit his head, like a priceless famous people nobody's coming up to them, bother them.
their yelling at them so law, but also anything there does not seem to be a budget for this.
That's one thing that I will say in its favour: they just when they need to spend money they spend, but it did I alike there. If we're gonna go to coney island, then we need to like make use of this money, and so they just gave us twenty minutes of it for knowing
and we've heard no reason and no realism whatsoever, and so when we talk about
people are very worried about the streaming content universe. Post writers' strike deal is getting canceled, they're, definitely going to make way less shows, and what is this new reality going to look like
and then over here the morning, shell, which is like britain centre moroccan into space
by out of coney island we're going to have
three hundred person hand
party at the most expensive,
had been south. You ve ever seen and we're gonna get nine minutes of scenes out of it
a person here. Bids party we're gonna, have a whole real estate supply ferdinand. It only to set up a helicopter landing.
right, which were also probably wasn't cheap yeah yeah. They pages go forward.
I think, is one of the guilty pleasure parts of the show
I kind of cuba leaves the money they spend in the actors they have marked places. I barely in this season
there is a real arthur by his
Where he's the lead actor. The movie a nice like an afterthought when he is it here, is the list of things that market class has been asked to do this. He said in his character was caught having sex with another of the co worker gain his bosses apartment right, then he disappears for, if you up here
The character has to do an investigation into jams, character, that's like three minutes of work, and then he asked to look really upset when he catches his boss, boss, out with John hands character, cos
sell em up with his boss states? It has been like seven minutes s screen that literally at I
It's one of those shows where it's like us
team where there is I got to get another receiver would just get one more cornerback obliges they loaded of theirs.
so stella whose played by gradually
I'm just can be honest. I think it's a really bad performance and woods. Weird to me: is she
This movie pass lives. Yes, said. I thought
I didn't think, was as good as other people thought, but I was I thought it was really interesting and what's weird, is she
the phenomenon that movie she is. I I love shania, like I think, she's going to get nominated for best actress. I hope she dies and my main concern about the morning show season three aside from like that. I wasted so much time on it is that it might
get in the way, might hurt or ask strategies asker chances, and we cannot let that happen. She is wonderful in parallels explained to me.
But she's doing the morning show that, because, if you only knew from the show you a thing man, what about actress,
I quite what is this characters posts to be what her motivations, but we know, she's a good actors, so she playing it,
tension way where there's
Can I say to her that I worship
the constantly interpret, what she's thinking, but it's like it's my job, your tv show. Can you at least give me some? Hence I hold the writing responsible of, is I already responsible throughout this show, and yet that's where there is a piecemeal quality to the way it
He seems to be made just in terms of who always wear at what was I who would act there was available in the east and worth it is this same real once blighting is very good as there as they stick this together. So I'm just wondering if she is not being given the adequate information
about like what her character actually wants to do. Are they making up motivations exact like or did they change something because someone was an available, and now you gotta do this, and what? If we tried this, I think see I I think it might actually
worse there, I don't how and when they can.
stare and they were talking about the character there were, like
she's really hard to read she's hard to figure out? Ok, so just play it that way
Ok now words, you know
this is insane and she still kind of like I'm still trying to be really hard to read, but rabies,
in pivotal, seen she's, probably the most pivotal pot of the season, witches
John hammy lawn musk, is china by this company, but has this past where there has now gone and saw her because she clearly as dirt on him,
in the past.
And she's gonna take billy products job.
I still don't know. Is she a good person? Is she a bad person and my rooting for, like the show, has made no decisions for me, so I dunno what I'm supposed to think yeah. I. I think that the show would tell you that it's trying to explore how complicated is too complicated. It is to be in it
As the woman in the world a boy I didn't get that memo. I said that with my eyes, looking at rolling a bit in my head yeah
yet, as they did in the last episode, they did the whole year
How hard it is the
the grab a spot from the white man club and that all things as an ally pause here at their china. You hear lack karen pitman daggers, replace me at the edges,
holding this show together and was also holding and just like that together give her some things you also what's up with her missing boyfriend rate
and he was the paper he was in
ukraine yeah
set up during yesterday's another thing, he's a worry, surrounded and always missing. This show
we'll do real work to lay down breadcrumbs for a plot and then just give up the pot like
even in this last episode, billy crudup character.
reese, witherspoon aware been talked about yet their drive,
to his mother's house because they need the union's the lobby here and that that can aboard people have launched a show what they had this whole history
just ran away decided. He was a love affair last year. Out of nowhere, then she
is now in a in a gay relationship with Julianna margulies, his character, that's off and on, but he's still kind of laxer, but he doesn't and they're hiding a secret so now they're just in a car for like what two hours yeah again
do we get car ride scenes and like K, we should talk about stuff. No any set up with
Here's the deal, my mom know their research than a car. This is why I blame the writers instead of gradually. This is what I am saying, we're just a word dry,
things were picking and choosing with no rational direct shed its it's all over the place.
and the reese witherspoon julianna margulies relationship, which they
I've into really heavily in a previous episode Lee
into the infamous ray
ass, the move out, because the relationship is working with son
some of the worst dialogue. I think that's been in any tv show in the less last couple years.
and then she is. I got him about brighter
their kobe relationship tragedy. They couldn't make it even though they had nothing in common, have died out other together
every saying they have as I gave you do. We just went up together just stop, but anyway she goes too generous eggs and we get this generous six episode. This is that they did
sport like we pay
thankfully recreated bob
here's? How we did it at the show is terrible, whittier, your brain
about how you recreate a generous six, it was an abomination, not only today recreate january sex and they use this use of correctly.
Reason. Witherspoon had your move out, sir. She could go coverage ads.
and yet I'm back that was like her relationship. Couldn't handle the pressure she needed to leave montana. It wasn't ice ass in Montana, about they there it did seem really yeah there. It seems I really like great real
State on the show is that one of the few pleasures, based than the money of adding another, do asked to go cover Jed sex and then she covers insects and they re create at so that greece, witherspoon films, her own brother,
there as well in the riots, and so I am now. Maybe we don't need to keep score, but you predicted the genes ex episode and I predicted that the brother was broadly deep secret, and so we just check,
spread, the two of us. It's pretty sad that we data podcast after the second episode and predicted the big surprise twist we literally
every aspect of it, that's the shining going off by my way with the flashing lights. I might given everything that we have just said about the writing. It's like you. We should. We feel good about the fact that we could predicted
I mean it's really. I dont know what we should mention when I predicted the generous sexting new reaction. Was I
oh, no god and then you're like, oh god, they might do that. Oh no yeah, and but it was like you were horrified, then realized that this is probably where they're going. Oh, not only did they go there
but she's in their she's, wearing a ski like a ski cap and the covert mask and just
coming off the altercations and nobody notices this
I for one bomb girl who looks kind of exactly like the evening news anchor bradley wherever neighbours spread the jackson rate and she's. Just
got a million bowed as theirs complete chaos, a generous sex, I'm pretty sure one person would have been like wait. A second yeah who's that braddock
some kind of looks like our porter and why she filming everything now just randomly, runs in her brother yeah. Great,
pretty low amazing staff, and then it has to do with the file right, big, more of the liver yeah, and then they get subpoenaed a man that ties back into the hack gave abandoned the hat,
and I really was with a hack- was what we love the mostly as like. The best idea they had also arisen was my god. What else could be the heck, yeah, basically doing the sony hack, and then they completely left it on their side
maybe it'll come back, but so that's good. I think when people
ask me twenty years now the morning show what happened there and I think my
so be it site that Sopranos episode.
when the russian ran in the woods from Pauline Chris,
and we were all I got to know when the russians coming back and then aegis. Never came back here that
this entire showed you go down the road with plots, they'll abandoned them things, or
Since then, they won't they'll put in real time over multiple episodes to establish something adventurous evaporates into thin air raid and like-
What is bradley cooper? What is this character? This poor rather bradley jack, said jack cooper. I, who has really next week you know,
well. What does she supposed to be added? She win
she's a host of evening news?
I don't know- and I am very concerned that she just gonna- be spending more time in therapy and are going to have to excavate like the mental toll that he
being a news person takes honour. I it's just it's really abbess, I dont know I dont know what they're doing,
The other thing I love about this show that
fading about the show, is this this,
world that therein were a morning shown and evening show are these. Yet just
four important properties that german pop culture, as we know it yet, which really-
has been the case. Someone say since nineteen eighty eight it so it seemed like they re staged them.
When they had the mat gala or like they're, a fake version of the mac ala recently, and then every single member of the network was at the mac. Ally was like fifty per cent piece
from the morning show? And then, if you, you know other fashion, be bonds like that,
really how they're back our works. Rebecca had its also way, bigger
He's out there's not enough ridiculous cameos, like is this, show ridiculous enough. Are they just
during a bath and see how hard it is putting their foot in it, but not just jumping into the hot bath who
would you what I
they goober cooper. Now that you set at he's got a movie to promote. So once the you know once everyone's working again, I would be happy to see
That's off limits, like would could george clue
beyond the board of the tea.
Style, sure her that linking whereas brain streep bring a mall. Do you know what I'm saying
jack nicholson, omaha kojak Nicholson just come out of. Nowhere is like a rupert rupert murdoch figure. There
The episodes there's a really good movie from about like ten years ago called
morning glory, that's also about, but I don't know a morning. Glory. Lighteth leases didn't come that married to somebody who watches all those visits for everybody else listening its stars, rachel make atoms by also
earth and ford and diane Keaton lettering that morning fictional morning show into the universe of this
warning? Shall you know what I'm saying and is heading
we won competing against each other. I fully support it.
I would say this show is a combination of what they think
a more exciting nancy myers movie would be crossed with like an episode of twenty four rate.
crossed with the west wing
with more money, re ever higher salaries for everybody across the board. I crossed with them trying to do six action, which
raised whether they dare not say. As I said, I'm not letting yeah, but the
reason we watches cause. We love billy curled up in this. In the show me he's he's dead north
he's the foundation he's the only one who wins the matter, how ridiculous it is, even when it
how to and shame him been have him sing it
high enough for reasons that remain unclear. He will he he escaped
unscathed with
there, the on him, no grime.
He just I just the sands over this bloody mess. Do you think he's
writing his own minds. I know that we talked about this at the beginning of the seas and but I do
I wonder whether he's putting like the crude up space on his dialogue at this point.
I think it's very pot like I gave 'em true serum and some shots. He baby. I yeah. I might make up some scenes myself. He is a talented actor. He has a lot of seat experience
can make any dialogue work, but I do kind. I think that is just bringing his that his own staff to the table at this point, as you can tell, his material is just funnier than everybody else's
You think, like somebody who works for the morning show listening for this would be upset like do they think it's good
it's like I what's going on there. I I would love genuinely to talk to someone from the morning show in a in a constructive and positive way. I would like to know
what their goals are, because we make when they laid out the january sixteen, and how painstakingly- and I was like
oh they. They think. This is like really that I, this thing that I don't understand is their relationship to like real news events, and why, in addition to being a a very expensive and fun soap opera, they feel that they need to not not just recover but like weigh in on air.
Recent single hot button news issue of the past twenty years and like that, we want them to be part. Sixty minutes as well. As you know, part dynasty,
Her way every week we need the morning show too
make me re, evaluate how I thought about some of the biggest stores of the afghan is I just I don't understand why that is so important and whether they think they're succeeding.
See what what makes more sense to me is it. They lean
the t J homes
we had lady, he had the affair with
Monsieur Amy somewhere, who had two billion
aerospace right and it became a whole thing. If it was, I paint six died on it. For, like
yeah. We need more page six stuff on the show and less oh boy. Now they get the tackle, roby wade,
pretty sure I did need the morning showed away into Roby way, no pun intended in them
all of the resources budget, Julie,
hardly like honeymoon in Montana. They Julia decided to throw up like a news report like the death of ruth paine organs.
Heard guy you, that's the greenish, I'd just being made
I like to do this and they just look so glum
where guy she's god I didn't mean bake abuse report about it.
Let us show so what do we think we three episodes.
I can predictions okay before we go well. Did you notice that, in John HANS characters with what's his name Paul in Paul's speech, call him Paul have got Paul's speech to the newsroom they asked who is behind behind the hack and he very confidently said we think,
shot. So I am very afraid that bare returning it chew the hack and our russia supply that is somehow going to involve the missing war. Correspondent, boyfriend.
That's a good cop. I an I'd I'd all! That's not whereby the story like you go any of the storylines. It's not where I wanted to go. That's pretty good! Ok! What
happens of rather cooper, then I may have. It
the path that you ve got a brother.
bradley jackson, yet still cure them. Interesting question is disappearing
and whether or not they like the deletion of the tape is gonna be revealed,
unlike the matter. What I did I ask is that you have to resign yeah. I think so, but then well that also been grip. Here is the thing I've been really concerned about is is: is this stella Paul marks plots again bet for billy crude up to leave the show?
at some point because she's like I've had enough. We listen if he leaves the show. I led the shots. I mean you know. I think everybody knows that, but I think billion
It knows that to amuse like problem like I've, given my best is it a robber, west wing situate?
in writing, as laid out in I've, been so steady lives in the show that says for our that he spent one night wet and then texted reduced
Oh. I am aware that the most upset my wife was in the first seven episodes was she had the cartier?
ray site that you have to screw on, and I guess yeah and she was like you don't take that
I don't know where you're at somebody's house, you think you'd have to lick, ask for a screwdriver to take that off. This is ridiculous right. That was. That was what made her the massive editor, but that is like the best note for the
That's very important yeah! It's this.
The shall really needs about, and then I assume, ham and anniston will break up chore
I'll try to blow up in Iraq. It, though, like they might. Actually they try to blow him up.
They said all those people in the zero gravity machine for one dumb. Plotline of this show. I have
Is one real life character. I would love to see them bring in ok than that
hunter Biden. Oh
That is a really good one.
our january sixth and roby, weighed and co abed- and you know
all these real life, things is ice, isn't isn't hunter by it and one of the top five things, and could they have an actor playing hunter by the inner somebody who
wrap sam, and could you work a man and maybe
coopers parting with tired Biden, Braddock Jas here's. A question is, is by
the president in the world of the morning show do they ever say bite it.
They don't they do they say such a thing where they day who then raising yeah, ok, you're dipping in all these other relay thing so right, so I guess they could just create a character who was not named hut. Yeah. Ok, that's really interesting. They don't. Actually they will savory kids perk, but they
I won't say, but there's only one person. I know who watches the show an ironically and loves it and is upset when we make fun of it and that judge John straps gave the ringer gambling show new york, Derek podcast, owl. Ok, he heard me talking about this
an him and his new wife for listing in their leg wait euro
the morning show now is like an actual reaction. I was I wait. Are you serious
brain. We argued about it, so there are people out there that aren't well, it's fine. We don't judge us people, my understanding of the new york sports world at the moment.
is that you need an outlet ray. You need a safe space. This is ilo. Yeah talks were well here. I am guided today. This is a real time to be living in the home of the philadelphia sports. Bad
It's been a rough near sports ride your eye, the money shakes except for sunday, but you know I I, whatever people take for mass, whether eat is he.
Or enjoy man or just reconnecting with friends on tuesday night. You know: well that's what we call guilty pleasure that susie
when, starting next week on the ringer dish, feed weren't,
launching a park. Ass called guilty pleasures. Yes, it's
good. The bizarre prestige, tv pack, ass, I'm gonna be a ringer dish and
we need it and that led to cover, as jacques on wedding were jennifer lopez and
every morning show episode ray and they believe manners I oughta material and just like that, will I be able to speak about the end of of season three we
my go backwards and run back every end. Just like that episode, and you
Chris Ryan, who thinks Sarah jessica parker. Is the premier comic actress of our generation? She is wonderful on a show that could also use some writing guidance. Yeah so guilty pleasure
I can't! Let you do pleasure guilty pleasures guilty guilty pleasure yeah, I think singular, is
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their speed and cooperate a lot like the prestige, serbia, alot of people there, it's very
Now we launch this before the start of hallmark.
They may suzanne, which is coming way
which of these days yeah yeah. I dunno
you ve seen some of the match. Ups they have for that there.
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