The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Joe House and David Jacoby to discuss the Nuggets' Game 2 victory over the Lakers to bring the series to 2-0 (1:29), the Celtics losing Game 1 at home to the Heat, the next move for the 76ers, the hyperbole surrounding top NBA prospect Victor Wembanyama, and more (29:32). Then, Bill talks with Derek Thompson about AI's fast-paced integration into our lives, as well as the good, fun, and scary possibilities for the future (1:06:39).
Host: Bill Simmons
Guests: Joe House, David Jacoby, and Derek Thompson
Producer: Kyle Crichton
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from our plain english podcast words, everybody I cause in the last six.
As we talked about ai near the end of a two thousand and twenty two, and in the last six months everything has gone. Haywire, we're gonna, explain all the ways this has become
the year they, I am possibly the decade of a. I saw max first, our friends from pearl jam. The tape of this is a twenty one, the sick time I have two east coasters dave, jacoby Joe house. We just watched game two lakers nuggets jacoby, I'm going to start with one of the most amazing things anyone's ever said in a podcast. I can't believe
lakers, didn't let austin reaves cook down the stretch you to that guy
they ll is obviously gas, he's boy from twenty six,
We need to have a budget. The ball is an obvious all guides are brought about about those myself also reaches dancing.
Stepping around everybody. Let us a let them
the eighty eighty corner three is old, tired, the broad theirs
I know how big is exhausted
because the lack of action, the game and load and says to the broad, the broad
I was right there, the whole game you
Bang,
Am I don't think he says? That's! Ok, I think he's happy he's happy
be there while it's gonna be happy to make china money so can became.
Joe bomber game fur fur in the third quarter,
and so we had a rock fight on our hands and then Jabbar murray put up twenty three in the fourth at Toby's begging, to phase out
the face. Macular tell my grandkids about the game, but he did have the big fourth quarter
the lakers cratered in the other direction. It was twenty two five run in the fourth quarter. At some point, it started out, though, with the law
you're, spotlight, bag control, the game in jacobus mentioned it the brought out a cup.
These weird pull up. Three is an economy,
shifted. The momentum denver was doing this thing where they were just riding
marie and yoke edge in it. I know it just seemed like there. They were going to beat these guys in the ground and it felt like the lead,
Could I had them.
And it was. It was a rare labs, a judgment from the bride. I gotta say noted the bron take the tired old guy three,
There are obvious tired, old guys three, but there was one where he faith a flop from yoke. Ich fell into the stands. Had a vodka tonic like poured on his face ice cubes and all had a towel offered to him. Sat there for about four and a half minutes. Just
sort of build a little bit of energy for the next possession gets the inbound on the next possession. Slowly walks it up doesn't call play. No one sets a screen on or off the ball, and he just pulls up in bricks, his fourth three in a row. It was just the quintessential I'm too tired to get to the rim that looks like work. Maybe I'll make this three. It's a fifty percent proposal, all good if it goes in and I'm going to look bad if it doesn't, but at least I won't have to expend my energy fell, as this was the altitude game. This is what
happens when you can't break like it's. It's not enough time. They both played over forty minutes, Anthony davison and lebron.
and I and his infinite observational wisdom said that he thought that both those guys,
such power games coming in here shots to stephen. I because those minutes are like, maybe not double minutes, maybe
so for the broad, maybe like one and a half times how impact for playing forty plus minutes at attitude and then,
coming back with only one days, rest all of those trees that lebrun shot those mrs they were close, mrs, but I think that's what happens in that.
terrified air, although I do want to say one thing: you're not gonna, be tell your grand kid
about Jamal Murray, but we just got done be spending. You know several
is on our knees in front of devon booker I mean
Jamal Murray, reminding us of the version of him from the bubble he shooting like right at fifty percent from the failed. I think, and he was the different
maker in a game that then we really had to happen
I would say yeah. He was three for fifteen
at one point in this game and you finished alive for twenty four zubaydah aid of his last night shots, including five threes, I'm guide he brought up the out. The do. Thank is
I was researching the history, the denver nuggets, which is pretty grim its.
And they don't kind of get enough credit for not having an awesome history. They met some fun players, but for the most part they made the a b a
Let us nineteen seventy six. They lost the doktor jane. That's that's the last time there.
in the they ve never made the abyss finals ever conference finals,
and and seventy five seventy six in the nba and then in the nba nineteen, seventy eight eighty and eighty five.
Thousand nine two thousand twenty in the bubble.
is that Britain, this up, we
when seen them in a situation like this. In the plan, literally and almost fifteen years, where
seeing them played two games at around three days at the level that,
have to play these conference playoff games that game one was gruelling. It was fast pace,
and then two days later they gotta come back. I thought everybody except
if you're gone best guys on both teams Jacobs,
Everybody about themes are dead by six minutes. Up
Fourth quarter was like not like Mary was
I had his hands on his knees, leaning over like he was going to keel over so either the altitude thing I I
in factor that, in enough I don't feel like was the altitude the pace, the minutes, the the first quarter and the fourth quarter were just like completely different humans, completely different game, completely different sport. It was just like the pace in the fourth quarter: up and down they're running, like people are to lane jumping jumping twice to get a rebound and put it back in the fourth quarter was just like every single era. You see the calculations in their head, be like how can I execute this basketball action using the least amount of energy possible? How can I expend the least amount of calories possible to accomplish what I need to for the team to accomplish this goal?
in it the day it really looked like the lakers, especially the brons, were more tired than the nuggets, and I think that does have something to do with the other two forty two minutes for yoke and forty three for mary, forty, four leubronn forty
on four davis is for fifteen for turnovers yo
I watch allotted nuggets, especially because it
where's, goes theme
and the reason I thought that they were going to make the final
and once more he got out that they were the favor for me
was I loved the shots, they got
the decisions based
everything running through yoga, just all they often say,
god they never tired of it.
Have those like funky corridors or anything like that. Everything is just smooth and they're, always able to get back in a thoreau is able to not have like the other team.
The thirteen one run a thing like that.
Since they had in the fourth quarter house, was pretty
Be a bit yoke: it's like the kind of didn't want to shoot. The miller has four minutes. I think, as he was just dead, but if Marie
Amid made those shots that really been semite, there is a plan b right. It was a high degree of difficulty officer performance by the nuggets in the fourth quarter now
you mentioned having watch this nuggets team throughout the season and it is dead, fit kind of what they
He had done the way they won games at home, where they get go in the crowd,
gets going. There is a comfort level and they do add that advantage of wood.
in saying that the out at the end and an attitude. I think this was possibly the worst I've seen yoke ich
Billy at home in in I don't know, sit, definitely since the regular season rights are above,
It was even games when there are male and then
so I really doing at twenty three, seventeen and twelve, and I
groups integrated. There wasn't good here. What for
it was probably a sea minus four other human beings. It was a day
but for him it was like. I thought he was passing.
Stuffer and the pain and really seem like you
for the hand of war he, just as they seem tired, made five turnover steward a couple couple crunched, I'm turn
where's porter had a couple big trees. I think big picture that
now worries me. A van den is that the gordon piece of this.
There is no reason at all in the season: they really figured out how to use them as a rim runner offered rebound her.
teams had the garden and similar their respect than the lakers have no respect for him at all. He is the
as jail and wood said, the open for reason, guy he's opened by five feet, and I dont know what the nuggets.
with that, because they need him on defense, but it doesn't
like the guy you're playing pick up with that canada is nowhere to go, and I don't know how they fixed adjectives will earlier
when they started the game, they ransom a murray, yo, kitch pick and rolls, and a d kind of like really like pressured murray and switched out. I was like oh they're kind of leaving yolk it's naked, but they worried cause. Lebron would just leave a g and sort of that and then get yolk it's if he used the pocket pass, and I was I was kind of surprised just how much they disrespected aaron Gordon as an option.
The threats and how little the nuggets use that to their advantage and how he let her little he'd. Take it personally, yes,
At all the point in you made, you made a good point earlier bill and rare when you said that yoke, which I was passive in the fourth quarter like there was one possession he had an open fifteen foot shot, which he shoots like I dunno ninety seven percent from any up faked it in lebron didn't close out, and then he took it because he had to
and there's a couple of times where I'm just so used to him like backing down and doing a slow turn around and there's enough fake and then getting the shot, but like he did. He just sort of didn't decided that he didn't want to use any of those weapons. It was really confusing and back to the Agee thing like I think, Michael Malone needs to kind of like make that
point about this at the start of game three to getting it. Always you buckets and get him involved. They got the eyes back that to happen. Progress, the shoe three there
Big picture has: this is pretty
stating laws for the workers and now it's on the game too, but then,
in point lay in the second half air yoke. It was plain that great murray was three for fifteen gordon was lost, porter
doing much signify that exist
apply unwell and I thought that it hit the point.
though acres can add the steal it,
I used to be really hard for them to win in denver, as especially as the series goes along with the amount of miles they're going in
and a from the brian davidson ate it out, there was,
about the random dude today was really really had twenty one thirty points has you
the four you watches guy for three years, you have a big thou bonnet.
did the trade and he's become the fourth best later will? This is precisely the point right. He is a guy who has some skills. That is perfectly fine. Coming off, the ban should being
the fourth or fifth best player on a team. Now I would not have had begged him for this level of impact in the playoffs, but he didn't play very much when he was in washington right. He never will, I think them the most games. He play now. You're two seasons interrupted with the current situation, but I think the most like per cent
wise games. He prayed was near eighty percent, maybe he never. You know
I stayed on the court any he out half overseas and you he that the talk at the tokyo olympics. He didn't come back for training.
And then the team gave him an excused absence and he showed up in january of the twenty.
On twenty two
Please you Toby. Has this been diplomatic? He could stand ruin. The was ass. He heard if they were from Joe house is what are you doing has just made
this is incredibly infuriated. You who are even yours ever going to see really had a more at a party I have just given these lightly down. It's gonna, be that decides whether there has been a real house. Look. I,
I don't want people mad cows. I didn't draft him
Where does europe have to them? They shouldn't have drafted and where they drafted it
He was not ten player he's
What can really play god.
You know I sighed notices, cause. I went to the words games. I stricken person I kind of like the keys big he's got.
Oh yeah could shoot threes he's just physical lay. I it's actually hard for me to believe you did, that more success
this garbage wizard steam, but he is one of those guys that when
he's one of those in person guys, riga, mad wise in this guy better, the
I could really point one brewery point I love from tonight was when he used he had the halftime interview like with lisa on the way to the tunnel. He clearly had never been in that position before his weight how's. This work do an interview like what you hear on the court because it hasn't, I don't know, he's
help use they also so she's part of the television. So I answer- and I talked to her and because you ve never been pulled aside to have a post or mid game interview on the court before his entire career until
well. We have a more important laker question. Then, whatever the house go out through a date to me, this gets added celebrations legacy that he was able to turn very much more into a very solid black guy. I think
we have a new champion of the mare,
and where guide championship belt.
Which tyler here I had last no, no no hold on often Reeves entire hero are both american wake eyes, but they are very different.
it's in the spectrum, you don't owe me varies in such a way that you can. You could do semantic saw you why
Tyler here, as that playing in the playoffs us boston, reeves is the
Best guy in the lakers hit. The point today were unlike why don't they just run pick and rose with him in a d and put the brake?
the corner and
with more retired time a strategy because they want to keep him like that. I think like
We brought to the undermining our hosted rates, yeah, exactly they're, sabotaging cosby's performance. Did you see the wichita state asked the during the broadcast today? What he didn't have the floppy hair? I was like ooh. That's an extra five points, a game right there. He like it like that. It's like that that austin
his hair, but it gets you a couple more buckets. The game has here: are the candidates for the white guy championship belt. American, only the foreigners are as a rule. Now I got it.
here. I was last year's jam and really
the title all season. You average, like twenty two again Kevin hurt her.
Robert kessler. It's it's pretty
pickens guys. I think it's
We observe hero basically gave up the title we got hurt.
It reads as young women hero has Kevin love there to mentor him and to poem aside your enemies. They list
like we have rags me. A values is american waggishness league, so I feel good about here. Long
but right now reeves is wearing the bell loves, like I've had that bill
for five years. I know it at me. I know- and I know where is there another way- responsibility that I'm sorry that we put forward the so how's your team that never has cap space?
you've just fired. Your gm congratulate hadn't ever officially congratulate you on the podcast or do you have any jam or no? No, no! No! No! We're in the market where the market such as red, bought by the pole owner spot buyers, would be great. I would take Babar's overpay bob myers will say what if he did have cap space.
What do you think? Reeves is words because the lakers can only go to leg. Fifty point
eight million or somethin, and somebody
can come in and offer from up to nine adding ninety eight point, seven million, which the lake
could match, but it would really fuck with them in a whole bunch knit different ways, but there's these teams castaways like for like, for instance, like the spurs, the spur
We this cab space right, they got when become in and they have liked
good swing manner bank. Why? Wouldn't we get austin ribs? You know of your that
that there's a couple teams that have caspase brows. Looking them. I looking at the magic is
Thirteen the magic has cap space there.
We made forwards. Magic, helped him anyway. As already I like I on american, not american. Now, but I regard
I like the idea of reeves wet with wearers yeah.
if there isn't a big to logic to that for sure he's he's early enough in his career. The thing with him, that's a super apparent and why we, you know loved this performance by him incredible. I q
an incredible hoops. I q, going alongside the bronze hoops iq, isn't sakes, I be what we saw from him working his way to the free throw line. You know relentlessly
at the end of the regular season it into the first, the beginning of the play off. You can teach that that that's that's he's got that dog and that's what I'm going to say about that.
whoops, there's, there's subject for a second there he's about two inches taller looks like him. Horta sec was in
and player many human K J made the conference finals. He
the centre piece of charles Charles barkley trade. The Charles barkley goes the phoenix humans. It may be there's a piece
that gordon hayward, I know I'm sticking to the white guy comparison thing. I don't mean it me sick,
He really reminds me horny sect, though even as like that bad here, that it is there that I think, is very forages onawandah. Second, he does a lot more things, but he's got that crafty that gets into the paint pounces afterwards the lake
they're gonna, keep on behalf that you can have their davis and not keep breathes, but I think he's because
like a twenty million dollar, your guy, I'm in a guy that I
guess. The series goes along the gun
after use him against embers guards, I think he's actually
the key to the series for them
I noticed I noticed when he was out of the game and when I was looking as to get the floor- and I was like oh they have to. They have to spell Austin reaves for three minutes. That's where we are with Austin reaves experience right now, and that's it. It's just a it's! It's it's! It's a good sort of example, of where the lakers are when you have lebron and a d in a bunch of dudes you're, looking for one to flash up like roy
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this is ever gonna get or as the new
phase, gonna, be him hop and on a bed,
team, as I, though, why
The veteran ring chasing, I think, is best opportunity will be with with this team that they run a bird.
This team back, maybe there's another piece or to that they can add. But I mean this team is: is awfully clothes like a difference tonight with him in a day and area
was shot bore from fifteen, and the brown was nine for nineteen, which isn't horrendous. Blue ii was over six from three and that's what was really cool
but that's gonna season, yeah yeah. What taken open praise teams in biogas, its accuracy
there are three points shooting at it? Just hasn't been. You know what it used to be. I think this,
This is best chance just the way that the league, though,
was so weird this year the you look above
I'd like the lakers by unaware bait, the files are appointed to save for the heat edges,
it's a weird year, and I sometimes you just have your moment and if you don't grab it, that's it. I think they have trouble, keep some of these free agents.
because they have some minimum guys that the grab that I think it possibly could probably could jump around
she comes. What do you think is this
le bronze last best chance. I disagree.
Just because you have to remember before they brought in houses favor,
where were we at you're more like what that team was? You know what I mean. Don't forget like what this team was in like november december, like it was disgusting and it wasn't just health either it was the roster it was gross. They were in their twelfth in the west and
well, some good moves at the deadline or before the deadline, and now here they are semi competing to go to the n b, a finals. So I would never put it past lebron to be able to make the chair
and ship lemonade out of the limits that he's given whether that's with the lakers or without.
because there's another two or three more years, so I just I would just never put it passed the brown too,
take a lower salary and go somewhere else or to add the right pieces to this team and maybe get some injury luck and make another run. I don't think this is his last run, because if you look, it is like produced,
in numbers- and you add some low management at the he's got a Tom Brady asked like three more years, while three more years has
say they would say they lose in five denver
and indeed, as far as trade in a bead davis
as the principles there about the same age,
Andrews additives will look at it. This has a longer meeting about the change. This fairly say that sad enough for him, be the lakers say: thou do we,
we want to be there Davis fits in better? How does this player you already know the entered so good, though I do a region,
he's right, yet you really are there's a reason. The other part father thank aigrettes like
body joy and beat as a loser
I know he's a loser, so why would he want a loser to come from the east coast that you can't even get the mvp of the league can't get his team to the to the conference finals? Why would he
every day with a ring he want to ring with abroad. I don't I don't fuck around with ours
That belts them, so you, the lakers, would say no to that trade. Yes, I do that
lighting gobs. Oh god, I
it's a great one right right: it is it's really good at it and put them in an urban. I put it
He did, the other three failures and I called it all day like it all. You do not get angry sicily, potatoes, unilateral. Fifty you can build the value of the dollar nine hours you you could fitter during breakfast, like you,
the eggs while you are making their
came out really mostly uniform smells of my god. It's trade start
smell, really good
But what do you like about it if I like it, because it's completely implausible and will never happen, but it's worth discussing and if I'm the lakers I make that trade. I make the trade just just for availability reasons. I can't believe I'm taking joel and beads availability over anthony, Davis's bethke. I have right to do so over the last couple of seasons and it just you can
joel and beacon. Do things that obviously Anthony Davis cannot it's on the briars and better path after turning the hatch mars career round and beat, is the logical next target, while it is
this approach would be used to disappearing acts, because if, if we say that gave us as every other Davis dwell and be dear- oh miss the second half of both game six and game. Seven, so at least laura is used to that
that's a tub that fairly situation. I so they basically
the word. That's gone around his dad
monday. They basically said they're gonna keep their coach
and then something happened on the hearted front and by twos all said there get rid of coach. It feels like their picking
harden discover over the the prioritizing keeping harden
over all other scenarios, which I think is insane. I think, there's gonna. This is
kids achilles heel, disheartened infatuation really is now back here.
Anyone who watched that anyone who watch that series is like. Oh, I see what the answer is: fire doc, one don't keep hearted too.
Right, but I dont get me one way under theories, but I think a bid. I dont think it
I wanted them to fire fire dog, though we'll see you saw darryl said that it'd be was shocked right. That was the word that he used and b was shocked. When I saw that I was like, I don't
is that for a second that is not one hundred percent. What you think he was protecting. Indeed, yes, I do not believe that Julian b was shocked to find out that his head coach was fired. I don't think he found out on twitter. I think you know what I mean. I think he was. I think he was counsel, and I think that that darryl is doing a solid for his.
That's player in a baby interesting. I also don't believe, you're one so that there is no way that that franchise made a decision is met each other there there
next year, planning and the year after planning, based on keeping james hard that that there's no chance that that's the case, I think there's
very good chance and I think they're really worried about losing him and
I think that was one of the reasons they did. The coach thing when they did and who they hire as the next coach will be another indication cause it back.
Tony no bigger lay screen. I you can't say
because I think it's in play and if they do that hard on billing,
that sounds great I'll. Have the ball the time and I wanted to buy defence. Maybe
I you see harden's court where he wants to play. You know he can compete and weak either have his basketball freedom. Did you see that
it was like. I want to be able to play freely and have my basketball freedom that translate to make in total come back and let me do whatever the f I want is that's exist
my dad's only three of the freedom to just be completely terrified and the seventh game
I will see look pretty freezing is doing that. I'd exercise that right,
I want to start a new power. Gas called I've had it where in Egypt.
so does just about and ask around like I'm completely out. I've had it about these activities.
That is james added that a lot target,
remember about about. It
then the next one's matt ryan, thirty five seconds like oh matt ryan, may come back and play football this year about. Don't nobody hear about it? Just keep good. Let's talk about the great podcast! Thank you. Let's talk about my stupid team, so
We gave up forty six points of the third quarter. My dad cause of second,
a joke because last year he in the sector row he was named on the bench
raising secular roads.
Was it cause. I rose up, that's gonna catch large, other diane.
I feel bad reared, but in the end,
Now it was just there was the nightmare.
Say to any of it. Surprised me this ethics has you
and tax threads of bay with dream and J J analysing
I can't believe the heat are getting eight and a half points. I don't understand this. I don't think the celtics have a home court
manage the game, starting at eight.
Pretty eastern time. The crowd is always buck and weird for those games, and
The one thing I notice in the advent of the heat through this intentionally or not, but they create like this.
Chaos in the first half ray
she's chaos. It's got. They pushed the pays their taking
easy threes and the game
I just loses the steering wheel
Second, have they come down, but
their teams, this combined elected, and I can feel it.
Running as they were doing as as now know. Other we're gonna know that their doing this and then, of course, the second
happens, tatum is just out to lodge
by the side back at the bar
jail in brown. Has the ball all the time and butlers durham butler stuff, and I can't how were you
percent, surprise by any of it
Not only did I grab all of the points that were available. I bet miami on the money like last night when I did this is this is what they have shown us in these fires. They go into other people,
if the gyms and win game one at it, was like plus three twenty five or something crazy like that? It's like. I said this a couple of times now with teams that I think are no comparable enough to the celtics.
And the thing you know dream Rahim palmer's done the research about teams coming often gave seven and in
game one and the straight up against the spread percentages are crazy against the teams coming in it within that kind of situation. What what made anybody think that the celtic team would would handle their business and end? You know close out thirteen,
point led miami says we catch you right where we want you and that's when Jimmy Bala gets cooking and that's what they did
was especially you go against the sixers who rolled over, and you
really tough time, that's doing other worlds.
Jacobs. Where do you stand on on the whole
Jimmy butler phenomenon, his resell, it at all whole thing in his path today about how jimmy butler as the highest approve already right now I am
it's either hammer yoke edge. I would have been the finest for that, but you ve loved, gb butler forever. I've loved you rebuff forever, but mainly because he's like such a dick, and I think that he's kind of like the coolest kid in high school, that you're a little bit scared.
If you know what I mean he's like the coolest kid in your class, but like you're kind of cool but like you, don't really mess with jimmy butler, like kind of like a bully, but doesn't carry himself like that. He's just got this mystique about him and like if you asked
any and I dont, but if you have anybody play in the nba that what you think about jimmy butler, nor is it to be like yeah but like he has. The approval rating is through the roof and I think a lot of it has to do with his history. We all know what happened
the various stops and in miami. I think a lot of their success is one of the reasons that I like how shut you bet. The money line on the heat is something happens between the second quarter and the third
I don't know if you're familiar with this bill, I dunno how many of these games you will have time or just goes you leave. You leave the car,
and then you go into the locker room and the coaches get together and they strategize. That would be Joe missoula and his friends and then Erik Spoelstra gets together with his friends and they strategize and guess what happens in the third quarter. Like that's kind of what I was banking on is like I know, Jimmy butler is going to be jimmy butler, but I also know that missoula is going to be missoula, suppose is going to be Spoelstra and, and that is honestly why I think that the celtics are in real trouble as a celtics diehard they're there, the more talented team.
Better basketball players now I'd say the same thing for the knicks like how what is your concern level right now after game, one I'm not that concerned yet I still think they have more
and I always that this serious who's gonna be a log series. I would say-
yesterday I bought the subjects, are either going to sweep or lose game one which sounds it saying, but as those on the text I felt like that
a world where the heat gist
once we saw them against a really towns, the team that they don't have enough. It's just that
weiler abandoned. That said, or would be what happened last night and the butler pieces.
And he just said so much confidence. He gets the celts. It's a very big big
their little brother ii. The tatum thing was this:
was in the car today in our old friend coward, who you are to have once upon a time
me. He was doing this whole like big picture, tatum, verses, butler thing and father
through and tatum does in and I'm like,
ready to go tatum. Twenty five, like the did spoke
Work in progress he's come through a couple times in big stages and big games. I think there's a consistency you know
private step on the neck quality
maybe he doesn't have yet, but for the most part, I'm pretty happy
was comparing the Josh Alan.
and he was saying I we do the same thing with Josh our georgetown as regular season star, but in the play.
sort of my getting it. I'm like I don't know, Josh alan like lead the let them down
Well, they scored and all they had to do was stop the cheats for thirteen seconds. They beat the chiefs in a playoff game like Josh Allen's, pretty good. So I
like really in, though that in any way
I've series: when there's only couple series left in everybody s, do
big grandiose. What does this mean? I don't know,
He paid him have like forty five tomorrow night, the thing
worries me more as the coaching they pritchard out there as a guide. That's fine
We played its regard by that. I not mad that they did
But my aim is: ok. You got Pritchett out, there was tried to get him in a switch against butler and after the first half of it-
I was thinking we'll never super.
should again now lay bare legs. They
Can't ever do that again, like that was often that was five, that, like fuckin
it'll drop and now concern the bathtub seen what happens but united not doing the second bab eleven.
there are four legs six minutes. Maybe
cool, also pick purchase
and your thank you said stuff, I dad thou my man that we need.
at this level it really comes down there. You either have to have the best guy in the core, and it's not close or you have
have some sort of collective hoops iq thing that I dont house you you
Call them the sherman south all year, I don't don't know of they have
last piece. I am ready to
a move off of that it is a bit they are soft, but it's it's
the difference between m a and n and joe mass blight. You know second row joe- and I I think is just a ready for the job thing now, the more that we spend time with the celtics. It isn't that they are physically soft
although in the regular season a couple of those games that they were, they were, but you know they're they're, just missing an institutional backbone. There is some element in terms of the the decision making the best lineup for the celtics last night was with brogdon you
I played the two bigs against miami Joe masse trotted them out there. It became apparent that you can't play the two bigs against miami. They were probably out there too a little bit too long, but the best line up was was with brogdon. So, let's give him the opportunity in game two to to you know make
at an adjustment. The other thing is with miami you're, always at the risk of their shooting variants. Right they come in and shoot the lights out, you're probably going to lose. You know if they make all the
threes is that they did in the regular season and they bought they. They collectively gotten better in the the post season as a shooting team, which is pretty rare, but you know all those guys. This is why jimmy butler as a throwback, tough guy, what he means to Vincent
astros and, and- and- and you know, kyle lowry's role can't be understated the contribution to this thing. So you know they're they're built for it, but when they miss, they lose
Oh I talk to my dad for a while this morning, zoos at the game, one
it was. He called bear matter,
at a bigger which I really enjoyed. He said he,
had a big o at a pretty again then had a date.
By burying its head, the seven gave seriously
he liked to in the bud white. I was out there for miami. He thought he thought tat. He was
play about that was fun but am, but we were talking about the big lineup because
Aren't you remember. This was only a month ago feels like a hundred months ago, but the hawks killed. They
now play a game right
and they had taken overpowered them was size red dead, sixty three rebounds that game bag compel.
had twenty one. Rebounds
they just kind of then he would shoot that while they shot ten four forty one
from three and they won by eleven. It was they won because they overpowered the heat. There
version of the series of my head rose like jacobs, they're, just gonna. Give too much
as it can overpower, but grant Williams as a part of that, and I dunno, if they'd just give
not by grain or what, but my guess is
gonna try to come back in the series, it's defense and rebounding, and maybe not the gimmicky,
three guard lineups, oh, and if you don't know they have geared up a grant, I'm pretty sure they have given up on grant you mean if, if you thought there was too much patent pritchard, there's there's I I don't expect to see too much grant. But you know, I think one of the the knocks on the heat are. Besides the fact they have like nine
rapid people in their talent. Isn't you know exactly matching up to anyone any of their opponents through all three rounds, as far is theirs bam and what are the big, so they really have,
and we can look rebound but he's not without representing at all, like that. I don't have a second big, dispel ban it. Just now.
The rapids acting as Karl Erik pretending that he's gonna take a charge.
it is. I can guys out it's obvious p,
charge, were too that's their reproduction cuba, catholic, about calorie physique bill
yeah. Do your kyle elaborate thing. I find him to be the most infuriating person to root against like if, if
we're rooting against color. This is not a knock on him. I just hate watching him play basketball against a team. I want to win because he he he plays the refs. He falls over
you're, a big and you've got cutlery. All you gotta turn around and dunk he'll slap the ball off the bit at the bigs hands before he gets him above his waist and it'll bounce off the bigs ankle and go about that. He gets it and if there's, if, if the others,
it goes on a signal run somehow some way. Kyle lowry will either get fouled by flopping or hit a three he's just absolutely infuriating to root against, and I I dislike him.
Respectfully you busybody item, I basketball, hate him bright, blaylock, deep down. You can't hate someone unless you love them. You know you hate speech
yours, you hate the people that you really know- and I hate cow lowery, because I also love him.
this is a good game where, if some
It makes a shot. It just makes you bad that they bade the shot that that they other tube, scored and she's your birth
We have funded that that he made
couple moon shots. Yesterday I was like oh fuck yo. It was like screaming at the tv fuck, this guy
yeah. He is doing also had similar. His career was over four months ago house
majority was available and the deadline for area like the tenth time. We thought, as carers over his career was over ten years ago that it reminded himself the amazing
we're corollary put that's all there were gallery, can came
bring in conspiracy bill for a second, oh I'd, love lower taxes
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conspiracy bill wonders you known hockey because
air, batman, moron, you end up with like florida carolina right, you hit you.
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tricks. We have some ways to better.
The series, but maybe massage them in certain directions, house can
there's about wonders, if maybe
denver is really where the league wants to land here.
for us with some of the other attended it. I guess
The other alter is easily the worst case scenario right. They can play a cheat, the jimmy
their story cool? They play a video edge. Oh she got this guy, but for the most part I you know. I would think that
what either the layers of the south x in here so is conspiracy, bill c right
billows suspicious that these results that were heading toward don't see. My dad up, I think we're headed in in in a direction that that the league, probably would prefer will know for sure.
or when we see game three in los angeles- and I bet ah tomorrow night- that the the friday night game with the celtics and the heat- I I-
I have a suspicion wind up one one feels like we all good, just one of one, one that series south extent
would be a nice sexy series, Jacobs, those ideas
sexy, I'm a sports back ass. They now turning very words. Obviously you know the sexiest would be the championship of championships to see who can get to eighteen. First lakers sell tickets,
go on with your care earlier still carrying the five minnesota woods. Yes, I am those championships. Seven.
In seventh hazard minnesota guardianship to see who would have the most championships? Oh you're still kind was in the boston garden at the tea garden like what are we doing
because it was they re literally his answer and plays a fabulous yards over
Well, I would say how do you think ok see he's gonna celebrate the forty fifth anniversary of the seattle. Ninety seven gotta be a title
I don't have a party where they were going to break we're retired nuggets and with it on the on the broadcast. I was like ooh. This is. This is kind of a bleak history for this franchise of tastes.
Yet the nuggets I cuter they even have court side house. They, though a big data,
and cut like when they had the next thursday there's bernard king.
spree well, patrick doing the nuggets. I dig out again
given the way out single? I I need to see David thomson.
mellow kitty straddle the fence and pretend you as an ex nick and next. No, yet we say about how recession, the washing wizards celebrated that this was the twenty fifth year becoming the wizards they brought back.
Why does twond Jamieson data butler and they brought back yet one jameson and corrupt butler and gilbert arenas to dinner? A big
three. Yes, they came out words. They they had they they they did the court in wizards. Ah, you know the old school wizards, the colors and stuff, yes,
so that's fine, you could try out all you were with the denver stuff, the celebrated, corrupt, butler and air traffic.
Said: gilbert arenas who couldn't beat Lebron James in the second round and celebrated the twenty fifth year anniversary of becoming, though the worse, the basket in all prefer.
Sports and then they brought her grandfather and he took a twelve hour. Recipe
savage and paid twenty dollars for it
the new powers granted to throw it away
Is your gm going to be? Did you what you want to throw your hat in the ring bob myers? That's the answer: can we get bob? Can he
like DC now is now he's
movement in the dc power circles. Yeah, I mean there's, there's stuff here in washington. You know it. I think
the barrier job here,
a great job and I don't like it had chicken
we never got your marriage, be a thoughts pro con, still figuring it out with what's going on, and on that front will couple of things number one? I think Isaiah Thomas wasn't discussed enough during that incident. Like I said, thomas was right there as anton was one of the best basketball players of all time was involved in in, like a a of very disgust, basketball incident, that involved etiquette and fan clinical owner interaction with players and mid game experiences, and he was just stuck underneath yolk inches armpit, the entire time. You know- and I feel like yoga- probably has a couple more of those triceps scratches because of
It's obvious, and I also think that maybe as thomas was on counselled when it came to the firing of multi williams,
and you know, and the bigger
Its arms on the little sway will over our friend met each beer and every time I look,
like you really did really because play could stay with me.
He was the scrap. We walk, I guy what will know how much Isaiah influence there is if any curry gets tired, as it makes sense head coach. Some might say that very clear.
rather it is. This- is the girl s Harry he, the couch instead,
Are you crazy bow? They re drawing on a wider than Jerome jabers. Don't forget, borrow off credible
what an adviser I like as they are, but they come on, but I do think I do think that
stuff's, going on with that team? I think they're going to get a little splashed. I don't think it's a bob mayer's destination. That was one of the rumors, but I I'll be
you were by buyers goes because it does seem like he's, leaving an end
you followed. The warriors quotes where basic
everybody. Now the diseases there was like yeah, the Jay man punching poor thing was big dough and a fucked up multi, even dre mod was like yeah kind of fucked up our season literally said it himself of all.
current at it. He had a press conference
three times so
I wonder I would rather plays out. She called me what are your wendy about when the damage thoughts before riga, ok,
I have one seventy five. He had stories
god it's the best prospect
it'll, be a history of the lottery telecast, which I I'll give you a tucker jack. A couple too brief thoughts, one and I was a a p a on the two thousand and one sb awards in my job- was to cut the nomination packages for the a breakthrough, athletes and one of which was lebron James. So I had to go to bristol and watch every single play of televised, lebron, basketball and I'd seen highlights, but I remember exactly where I was watching these games and I was fucking flabbergasted. I was it, it wasn't the athleticism or the scoring or the dunking or the shooting it was the passing and every pass was no look. Every pass was in the perfect spot. It was the the feel for the game was, unlike anything, I've ever seen.
I remember that moment feeling like holy shit. I think I'm looking at the best prospect I've ever seen in my life and at that point there weren't that many- and I would I do not what I've seen from women yama haven't, had the same, intimate like footage. Experience has not matched what I've seen from lebron James fare. So I would not agree that he's the best prospect of all time. He is great he's going to be great. I get that. We've all heard that we've all seen it here's my sneaky loser of the draft. I believe when that card was flipped over and it was the spurs who would then get victor women jamba this franchise altering for decades literally decades will alter the franchise for the spurs was a rejoice full moment. You sought executive with lost his mind. I feel like there's a part of greg pop.
bitch that had a big glass of wine. Does it? Oh fuck, oh shit after work for another four years, you let me leave now. He was the loser. I feel he was the biggest loser of the draft. He was just like god, damn it. I thought I was gonna, do this for like one more year and is right up in the sunset and enjoy the rest of my life, but now I feel obligated to shepard
man's career, read this prodigy or year after my lap and he's probably
people in his life or lad, came in
Eu Biden's like eighty and he's running the country like you could stay like six more years, we just win one more title with webbing. There are also people whose life they're like man, I can't wait till we get greg back in the gulf or someone. You know we're gonna we're gonna have so much time with greg, like his wife was like yeah, we'll get a second home in Boca like this is going to be awesome like he literally just extended his career at least two years beyond what he wanted it to.
I really feel like he was. Seventy percent happy at thirty percent. Like oh shit, this means more work for me. He had his vacation plans have gone to all the world war two battle sites over the course of bad months. Yeah abs has I you take.
That has personally, as I do when
start saying he is the best prospects in the ship
The league and maybe
The best sports prospect ever I just
at the poorest settled down just for everybody ida. I just don't know how you can put it.
against some of the other people have seen like someone were added a well.
This is best sports prospect ever like tiger woods, tiger, pull your fuckin slung
and these people, in the face there came to bend ever better
spected tiger woods of every sport tiger woods on them.
Douglas show news, for you know:
in twenty four parts. He was where they live.
The very every teen turn
ever he wouldn't restrain amateurs
the all time short they never came in and then immediately fucking kicked everyone's ass for eight years. I would say that the best sports prospect it's an absurd
when I was of course outraged I was especially
I don't want to go down this path because you ve got the wrong a shadow words khazar zhao our advocate shack and on that vat is bullshit.
crazy thing to say our living.
I go by guy. Well, I talk to two executives our on what basis its absurd is preposterous show they feel that,
A show, though, is that it allows a majority that what I have said. I will point out that these benches, what is say, stupid shit and get it cut out on a video, yeah grayer, but either tv show cannot attend them, because that was the dumbest bucket thing or of the weak for sure
The thing is he seven for five and
guys get.
injured, more often than some illegal by one things, the brown with such a sure thing. He was I just athletics early everything he was such a safe bet, rate
whereas I consent for five guy. I don't know we ve seen sat submitted
rob sampson came in the way, gila gray in one thing happens and then of a sudden. The trajectory gets messed up. I don't know I mean either gear
It is in the position of like having to indirectly take shots at Wendy.
They deserve. It is incredible and I think you shot he's the best prospect twenty years, but that that's fine, that's all we say the death all did that
thing with wendy when I saw him rebound the three dunk it which have never
in any event, even try to do before you ever seen that herbie does Dominic Wilkins click where it's it's a seventeen footer, where
Don't I was at only one I've ever seen gives at the following one of those from my seventeen feet, but I'll shoot threes back. Then, though, maybe he could have done it if they did shoot from ever well said he
their executives, who think you will be the best per the league by his third year. This is not right.
I just signed a longer alone. So dumb, that's not true as not you.
Maybe it is because some of us,
the machinations width of the producers in the control room when he says that our fist pumping the air like polly d at the shore in the middle of July? It's just that. Just the way television works, you say crazy things, people talk about it. It is just kind of how it works, he's not the best prospect in basketball, Lou AL cinder, like all the other, all the ends, the unwise each epic gifts went to use hillock, one of the guards to have it gives it was incredible forth. It changed the rules for him
but he's probably the best bat prospect in the history of basketball going with Liu l cinder here, yeah by the way, if, if we have lebron and lew alcindor, who became karim
and you say Webby is on the level of those guys for what the buzz is about him from scouts thing that I accept and on the level another either when overlook our own in greater need them.
I need them
member house today
first year and league pass, where
we're gonna, tired of the lebron
I think I wrote any- has been magazine piece about it, probably halfway through the air because
We were watching him gun god, damn this guy's good, like holy shit. This guy's good right away like when you think
ho became into the way gotta high school, and what that take it
Look I'm like a year and a half even start to resemble cobia cagey all these people that came in and look
that kind of immediately made sense, as well as the impact basque welfare.
I find it hard to believe one bid. Llamas could be better than that will see. I guess, but it's it's such a.
on kind of a wrinkle to have this,
comments in this league when we have already so many great stars you now
dispersed in that none of us thought about last year now yeah.
this guy: we're not losing its like death, if I
the superstars or, like a nightclub, were not losing anyone from the night club, but we're out.
This guy's is by be really good too. So I don't know yet,
trying to think. If I had been on the set.
how I would have responded to that. But I think I would have had to have been like. Are you? Will the craziest thing? I ever wrote the book of basketball bill? I know you I've seen you do television, you would have pushed back immediately and it would have made a good show. It would have been the control room fist pumping again.
And I saw that the bay years ago about the brown with such a prospect that we showed his games- ideas, Pierre, which was completely unheard of they ever independently nears, were they ever gonna show highschool gave a cable
so, and that has been borne out- is still fucking playing twenty years later. Any last words, for
house, any anything else sticking your cry,
I will say I was super excited that the washington football franchise
seems like it might have a new owner, but the past yeah well except the events of the past week, don't exactly haven't been engendering confidence. I haven't been getting the way this now now I have to get up close and personal with all of the philadelphia. Seventy sixers have been run. The past fifteen years,
it is not giving me a sports boner. Let me just leave it at that, but obviously I read a little dollar one great, that's that's a quarter. Job
I want a winner-
I want a winter. I went away their own life about seem to be a winner
I don't know. I don't like what happened this past week in philadelphia is limited
at jacoby. You want to give us the succession siblings as the four remaining mba themes for we go dark deserve for remaining mba teams vying for the top spot. There are four remaining roy siblings vying for the top spot and I've matched them and I'll go through. This sounds like you guys, just very briefly to sleep. Let me know how I've done, I'm I'm open to constructive criticism and have also very sensitive, keep that mind and I have the celtics they make the most sense, they're consistent, somewhat liberal and they're reliable and a little insane they're schiff
I'm going with you for the celtics account going with the lakers pedigree experience brand name forward facing there. The star, that's kendall, right tat, are going with the heat the most likeable.
Connor Roy. Don't really have a chance to run things, but you lack has not gonna win, we kind of know they're not going to win, but we love them. It's connor like because it's not going to end up running the company, but we kind of like love him and we love the
see him? That's our high level training. They eat the high exactly exactly and I have the nuggets their strong there did they stick to their convictions,
powerful and the number one reason I have the nuggets is rome. Roy is be
Jamal Murray, like roman, has publicly shared video and pictures of his genitalia.
so I mean that's, obviously
Fifthly, the nuggets rome and I feel sure
about that when I will not be walked off that, but the other ones above its workers, labour, that's that
loud. I liked the baby here is contrary to the bottle of wine, but we love they
their one percent in kentucky right now feel good blooming in alaska
bill knows. I had our time with this, because I despise these kids. I think that the show was ruined when they killed logan, and I have a hard time. You know
web for participating in the march of the dipshit
the only one that all quibble with a candle.
Why is the ultimate self saboteur like? I can't see anything nice about in these kids. The attributes that you tried it out were wonderful. Jacobus. Is such a glass of full way of going about it? But to me, can all Roy is the bed shitting added to wraps at his father's birthday party? And you know: has the chin
the debt doing great things, but then self sabotage is held at every turn, of course, so the celtic circles.
that report as voted around a guide for everyone to see this bill is like sad history.
am. I learned this got thrown just kind of look flat phase.
because he realizes that is to adjust the home one gains the heat
the user garbage bottles is the candle roy of the black sea
I would have gone roman ride for the south ex because
genitalia part, though coming,
I- can tell you yeah. You did me that, but how do you think you got there? How did he get the nickname, furry marie or jamal furry so well,
has. The roma re part like jerry was ebay loca. I could guide me there.
and you know that
ready for the moment. Every time you think it's
happen. All the sudden he acts impulsive been erratic, which is kind of like the celtics jack and have three
right, I'm sorry are you I'm saying
it's on minority rights are going from something I would either ever the god of the hour. I the miserable gonna yeah, I'd
It says: is gonna go seven. I said that when we were our text,
Yesterday, as I was saying that the road the maddest chance to cover every game in the self heat series out of their own court advantage, matters
take this year's, who had no murmur reason. My aim is gonna have games where they just don't make anything else.
I am a bit about the fact that hot, maybe the climate swarm,
what happens with Julius Randle or is it oh? I have a. I have a counter take on randall keep em kiss give me. Let me get me, get forty second knicks corner here and my most insightful
future knicks, a roster moves comes from my nine year old son quincy, which knows nothing about the knicks and or basketball. But I was talking with friend of the podcast ben dietrich about the next potential moves. They would make now saying that he basically did have to get rid of randall quincy overhears and says I would trade Jalen Brunson and I was like wait. A second.
Now I would not trade Jalen Brunson if I were the knicks, but he what is that instinct? He has a good instant he's, like don't trade randle now when his value is at it's lowest, so I want to keep Julius Randle until his value raises. You feature julius Randle next season, knowing that he's not going to be there for the playoff push Rj gone, Julius Randle needs to come back to get a proper return
for him because, right now you gotta get much so me equity collaborate to say as much interesting about selling high and one guy.
since I love can. Can I give you
these randal take us mumia air. We need face coaches
Suddenly, but just have weird faces
when they play sports. Ray randal has a face that when things are going well, you really see it on his face, especially in the age. The air with close ups- and it's like he has what whatever the basketball player equipment arresting bitch faces, he's got that far
like party weird look on his face so either
You work with them in the off season. Not I like you
like a jump up. Anything like that. You just work on expressions managing their expressions of learning,
happy like your at stake. When I, when I did, the account then show
I had to learn how to not tat my hands on the desk gazelle. Just at this time.
this energy. But then you realize oh yeah, the seemed perfectly.
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beside you, and I.
and we cannot wait any longer. This is this- is
happening so fast. It is anecdotally in so many different conversations, I'm having with different people in different walks of life like sports, music, culture, spotify,
This is a soon army right now, and the only thing I can even compared to Derek is
in the mid nineties when the internet went from
says too.
You're, not an email and then all of a sudden, it felt like everything, shifted and made to ninety six and ninety seven. It feel
like this is happening right now in may two thousand twenty three something is happening. Something is different and this is the dominant topic. Your thoughts
when I hear all of the gossip morsels that you have for me from music, and
boards in all these domains. But I think it's really useful to start with, like a brief, biddeth history here,
It was like when a year ago that you and I
a conversation about the next era of tech.
as you know, did text
to be kind of exhausted. With itself were, crypto was in the toilet met. A verse was like in some whenever septic,
below the toilet social media, which is mostly the future all these companies.
Struggling in their own way. Nedda had had now four years snap tik tok is flirting with getting banned in
dreaming netflix had lord the entire
you're entertainment industry into what they said was his
Green pastures of digital streaming, everyone followed him out of it being passed through. The netflix is looked like never mind. Actually, it's a is thinking. Sands enjoy being fucked and evans. Like ok, we're too said go from here. Where is the green light, and I said a
not because I had some crystal ball my hands, but because I was like nothing else.
Seems to be growing, but there's this technology again. This is the middle of last year, this technological jpg, three. It was incurred
The impressive in some people are playing around with this large language model and its producing these weird. Incredibly,
normally human intelligence, seeming paragraphs and prompt- and I thought you know this is needed,
we'll see where this goes in the fall after we spoke.
Engineers at that company open. I decided they wanted to basically offer a new skin, a new interface, to allow the public to play around with this tool that had mostly just bend the domain of nerds. This thing was not to be
If you break the internet bill open a, I did not expect chachi b t to blow up the world microsoft, which was in business with open a. I did not expect it to blow up the world other people.
the industry. They were working with large language models at mehta at google, the smartest ay I people in the world. They didn't think catchy
he was gonna, be anything either and they were all wrong. Everyone was wrong. Chat you b t launches on november thirtieth last year, bill november thirtieth
that was weak, twelve of the nfl season. It was there
he games into the current and
a season, the liquor three seven and twelve long story short first, a hundred days
Jackie djibouti gets a hundred million users is the fastest growing consumer application in history, and I tell that brief history and and emphasise the recent sea of this technology.
because when something is going this fast and when a tree
this basically exponential, like this.
It is essential to make predictions you have to try to guess where this thing is going to go, because you
don't know where it's going to be in the next week and it could change
business in six months, but this
time whenever something is growing. This quick,
it is so hard for this protection to be accurate,
I can't remember the last thing that has affected basically
single thing. I care about business, sports culture.
The hoop everyone I work with my kids. This is even like I like it
with my kids, just how this is to
in over aware this is now it's. I do. I do this, the if I, if I feel like us,
kids, you do this, you, IRAN almost like a bid, daddy's baseball, where I have to say
steroids cause ever announces taking steroids, and I just want to get somebody threw idea about our there's no way
regulate it, there's no way to police it, and I
I don't even know where to start bullet start here,
This happened the internet, the mid nineties
is this one side of like holy shit? This is so cool. I camp. We we can do this this this this this and it just immediately started. You know.
interacting with our lives and others deploys then
as the safety scary part of it
the conversations I've been in the last couple weeks. The safety scary part, is the part now
people are gone. Well wait a second! This is going too fast. What, if this happens? What if this happens, what if this happens to examples, one
if they can replicate my voice and-
hey, I person just trying to cause harm
cause my son, but it's not me and says, come meet me at this location and my son's ago yeah my car broke down, come get me and my son goes there and whatever, like so,
have all of that stuff all the terrible ways that can go
and then the other side is just being able to live, somebody's voice being able to basically right
create somebody
Steel music, which has already been happening to create music in the sounds of people to come,
visual staff, that with actors that could look I'd like that,
all these things and we we now this goes nebraska bid- were regulate this forever. Now, when
Of the internet in the mid ideas, we are perfect. We freaked out o my god up I'll, never put my credit card of mine. Most of it turned out
there are still some really bad stuff re in that took a while and then we're still kind of unpacking the bad stuff. But
We were kind of a little too panicky about it is their right.
To be even more panicky about this day. I stuff in european. It is a really really good questions. Okay, so the way that I try to force myself to talk about this subject,
is that I try to stay out of the future tense until I have to jump into it because it
easy to say this kind of thing is going to be possible can happen. You know this kind of thing, as we possibly can
and but you want to yourself, wait what's happening right now. How are people using this technology right
What is one of the news headlines the day, not the predictions people in making the future? So I wrote this article four. The atlantic that I should have chiefly called
it is a waste of time and what I meant by that
that asia is just a waste of time, is that when I reflect on my
use of chechen pity, and when I refer,
my own use of mid journey, which is a text to image a prompt.
We can say- and I wanna see Derek in the style of veto van gogh on mars, with the cowboy had it can make. Some real incredible photo realistic images whenever
it on how I'm using new technologies? I thought I mentioned
You know to be more productive, all the time, I'm using them to waste time to sort of tests.
the technology. I just wanna see what it can do and so is productivity enhancing, as all this technology might eventually be for many different industries right now. I think it's probably productivity, sapping ff
a lot of industries, because people are just playing around with it to see where it goes now, maybe that'll flip, maybe the games people are playing now will be the work that people do have the future, but right now I think a lot of people are just testing this thing to see what is possible, and it's important to say before we predict that this is going to change everything which, by the way, I think is possible. We
it has a number one hit tv show written by? I we don't have a number one song written by a I. We don't have an epidemic of bill, simmons style, media celebrities having their voices stolen by a I arsons and spammed to place bogus calls to their families to create scenarios that become catastrophic, that that kind of stuff isn't happening. Yet, of course,
doesn't mean it can happen in the future, but it's not happening yet. She went to look at everything, that's happy now and say how people actually using this
Fundamentally I see in a lot of cases. Yes, computer programmers are doing it to accelerate their work. Yes,
People in hollywood are using it to see if they can read stories, but a lot of people are still in the mode of just plaguing with this. Now, let's go to the future. How could this be used in a future? Well, it stick to music and we can. We can go back to the spam thing because that is freaky employ
spoken, but in music, I'm very interested in the legal debates that are happening right now in terms of how these kind of mix and match technique
Jeez can be, can be used by consumers. I think what you're going to see is the
courting music industry, saying we're going
Try to sue. I companies on two fronts: we're gonna. Try to shoot a key.
You from using our music to train your algorithms arrogant, try to keep you.
from selling music from making a bunch of money, because you
I wrote your own song and plugged in the voice of drake or plugged in the voice of bad bunny. So there's going to be a lot of really interesting, like legal problems with the
a eyes you some music, but in the short term I do think alike.
People are going to use this to kind of just play around just last quick thing: grimes the musician who was previously married to elon musk and came out with an app that allows her fans to make music and then dub in her voice.
the meeting, but they make- and she said if you guys release this, make money from it. There's gonna be a royalty sharing agreement that we have. So I make a little bit and you make a little bit
Maybe we get a huge grimes yet, but I wonder why
again, a lot of people is gonna use. This kind of f around. You know too, like sand
a message to their friend, but in the voice of crimes, to just kind of be funny. So in a lot of them-
you're happening here, and I do think, though, that the legal challenges that this is can oppose. The music industry are gonna, be utterly fascinating
reminds me a little of
when I wrap started, take off in the eighties when they just was like a freak
four sampling old socks and it wasn't really governed
an economy was, but always I get paid but nobody's even thinking
Where is it was such an early version of the form and then eventually
There is this who wait a second and we had to wait a second moment. We have thou, allow these different things like the red.
Strike right now, just happening in a was one of the things that got thrown it and
I don't see any way the zero that this
India's would go oh yeah, we'll Ben forget it will get rid of ay. I because, let's face it, the studios, you know they're they're gonna be there.
profits and they're gonna, be thinkin about repeat ability and sustainability. They're not give.
Upon thy. Yet when they don't know it, the technologies and habitats
depending on our the writers fight for that that's gonna, be a real sticking point born. You think about it, and I think this is both.
scary to me, but also makes sense to me I'd like lawn order or the chicago
fire so or I don't know,
pick any generic sicker there's a for me.
though, though sake you go and netflix, and it's like. Oh there's a new there's something wrong with the house movie huh there's a couple they're moving in out of the calculate their kid is wait what's wrong with the attic.
They must be able to take like three
the horror movies that have something
the house ray and I will be able to read the script in basic
create their own version? That's an outer and inner writer for same thing for the dick wolf unit, dick.
might already be. I we may not even really exist. He might have been replaced that years ago, but I'll just be the same process
draw the same beats side thing for just starting with art.
I think, all of a sudden there, these huge stakes are ready in a farmer. Any of these big companies would,
companies always do. There is try to replace human labour with computer,
as we saw, an apple and phone operators. When I was a kid like this is kind of where their mind europe's oh. I can just get rid of humans that machines do this. I think
it is conceivable, it is absolute
This is where I dont think you need to much imagination to see that this is basically here
not literally here. It's gonna happen tomorrow, like the strikers right now, once as I understand it, a guarantee that the studios aren't going to cut them out of royalty payments by crediting ay. I tools like Jackie bt when they come up a story lines, but there
just no way that a studio producer or netflix executive isn't going,
play around with Chad she bt and come upon a story whereby legally they should retain the credit
that story like was especially a on the show like if they own order, its basic,
they're. Usually I, instead of the writer, I don't know what the what right surrenders wrap. This is like one of the ninety five fascinated things about IRA, that it really is so I was,
your eye with this I have cheap reaching for which is the advanced version of chechen bt and dumb. Here, it's really friggin weird. I asked it it's it essentially write me
episode of Chicago fire- maybe that's just like that
The most repeat here about television show- and I said quote, write me a story outline for one
or tv show in the mode of dick wolf about a team of fire fighters taking on a blue.
that injures one of their own. The plot should include a mystery about who started the fire to love developments and to twists the second
which should come at the end of the episode and set up a shocking season finale now look. I don't think that the story outline that I got is a plus, but it's not it's not be minus. It's like a minus b plus it's. It was a really interesting treatment for
fifty six minutes of television, and I could absolutely imagine just like giving that print out to a team of writers and saying this is the new episode so that buddy
You got security this that they can create the template for whatever the episode is here:
so the writers in the air? I almost becomes the head writer Hagar, zack yourself out with this
and that's not even the end of the process bill. So this idea that some people talk about costs
sand witching in writing with a sigh and sandwiches means that I promptly. I asked a question like
I want to write an article about what twentieth century technology. Artificial intelligence is like give me five examples. It comes back with you, no nuclear weapons
silly, a bunch of other stuff. You know the internet then, after that I can take the material and craft and article right.
there are I apps now that can help people with the second half of that there's an ay called pick acts which allow
screenwriters essentially to get around writers blocks that they throw in some basic features of a story. They want to tell and pick acts suggests,
ass various plot lines it they can put into a story. Ok, that's pretty good, but wait out of yours. You so leg, Jesse Armstrong during succession is, I got logan Roy s. Funeral shit, I dunno
to do the eulogy scene and just kind of basically feeds off to add, as I would have you do this yeah right. I've got a story that is like,
heuristically loosely based on the murdoch empire and king lear and I've got a son who's, basically hamlet and I've got a little dip shed called roman and I've got shiv. Here's the peers, the plotlines of how we got to the end of this of the series give me seven ways the story can end
when you, when you learn how to play with an advanced where you can give it more than you can say, given of those seven ways that that this season can it give me three, there are obvious
me too, there are slightly less obvious and give me
who were three more, that are really mind, bendy and weird, and you can t
call these and then mix and match them together and right, essentially the treatment of the last. You know too episodes of of succession, but it get it one step
there again on the sandwich inside once you ve written that script, you can still flood writing
into chachi. P t and say tell me what you think of this. If I read an essay that is kind of complicated, that's making a bunch of different points, and I dunno that I'm getting the point across. I can take that essay, putting a chachi b t and say what point do you think I'm making computer and it can tell me here's- I think your thesis
and if I think that's wrong, I can go back and say up. I have not been clear enough in my writing. So not only can you use
actually b t in this case, like a research assistant or like a brainstorming assistant. You can also use it like an editor, and that raises all sorts of questions for writers. Like me, I mean exactly like me at the atlantic, just published it's ai policy. A few days
ouch, it means a lot of really important ethical way. I pilot ready. Yet how do we talk about how to writers like me and other people the atlantic talk about through use of ay? I
just like Google, where I would never disclose that. I googled something when a to research it or is it kind of like a person where, if I took a paragraph from a book that is clearly a copyright infringement of the book,
that's not honestly fully human, like so many messy questions when the future of artistic and creative work becomes more chimerical. It's not merely human. Its acumen plus monster. That's a very, very strange
reentering here so I had a friend I have a friend is
company that invest in different businesses, and he said a lot of the businesses ran out the small start up stuff for all I base rate
is telling me this is when I I end up calling you a day later cause as of what's going on with this stuff. He
again like three four years there will be some bought a view that
since the other part cash you ve done is able to
or by maybe they even look at all. The writing is done. They create some sort of bought version of you.
and then somebody after assault the game could become an attack that the bill summons bought, see what he thought of the game and, by the way, the bottle
may be exactly where I was after gave warning. I thought I might add that I got my god, our coaches, fucking, sir said: why did we caught her about? The third quarter? Appreciate them
we need all the beats. I would hit with my dad come when we talk about the next day, but when he said
that man, I'm thinkin I wall, then I say, makes some
would people rather interact with the bought or listen to my podcast to have control over the bat, and then he took his way
that's an movies in tvs. If you can't you use,
how could she knows voice fairer, Mazda, commercial right?
right now, but you know will sue you. So it just feels.
If there's going to be all this ethical, legal stuff, that will be basically the next ten years, but the history this stuff, as you can get away with what you can get away with before the rules come in, they
get away with anymore, takes forever to me,
these rules. Do we do we trust the supreme court to come up with, like a great stress,
do for this. I certainly do
yeah, I'm not a legal expert. So I agree that legal questions are incredibly thorny and fascinating, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna, put a pin in that
Second, I want to return to the idea of chat, bs, essential,
turning you and your voice into as he has yet to be.
I see no reason why something like bs bought for other
media facing celebrities won't be a thing I mean it already is a thing for grimes musician right she's, the first out of the box saying use my voice. I dont care put it
songs, let's take music together, we will share the royalties. Go, have fun other people going to do this and it
interesting questions of oki. Where is this most useful? So you know you do work, like you have add reads
do you have to do all the ad reads? If you saw
and off on the bill simmons by reading the simply safe, add wilson
Maybe that's why I love sent was safe. I would dilute always want to heal, simply say, but our urban problems were simply. I am guide you brought this up because I dont the gum adopted specifies going
madam for this site, where develop in that,
that and when there
it's gonna be a way to use my boys for the ads you have to
obviously give the approval for the voice, but it opens up from an advertising standpoint. All these different group
possibilities for you could have
localize. Let's say we did a thing. Would like a ticket ticket
retailers about that. You could geo,
target that for each city at the more interest
thing for me with that is. Could you take my pack ass, like
it may in house, in Jacobus, talking about game to lakers nuggets which will be read before this part of the package. Could they take them
and make a eyes spanish version of it. Could they in french? Could the people
Could they take the translations and just quickly
take our voices and just make a podcast than thirty five languages that reacts to the game. To me that doesn't
This is what some crazy about that. That actually seems realistic to me. It seems
This taken is not entirely clear to me that that's just opium either like if you
and how's into Coolby have all signed contracts spotify, essentially
I allow my voice to be
ay I exclusively for in house lawyers lawyer he'll be able to recite this better than I can but exclusively for local market translations and for no other purpose. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think that's a wonderful thing like there might be people in
I hope the czech republic, who wants to listen to your podcast, are vaguely aware oath, would like the celtics and would listen to a show like this, except for the language barrier
in the one. I'm emulate internet regulation of it. If I get hit by a bus
People, I man, I really must both packets. They now he's back
as somebody bill now recording undesigned behave as exactly bill. Seven's park ass, we product spots of sport, presented by fiddle sports work, does actually built,
it is doing so on the economist, tyler cowan
It has a really interesting podcast did a chat, cpt interview with the philosopher and author Jonathan swift, the author of gulliver's travels, who spoiler alert is extremely dead, but I asked him all these questions and because again, this is a pre trained technology. It's pre trained on a corpus of of literature, and so, if you are,
an author who's published a ton of writings with the technologies, can be really good at pattern matching and predicting what you're going to say in response to various questions, and so tyler is talking to a. I think, brit
for scottish and irish and remember like what exactly are Jonathan swift is born actor reading, chat cheaply
these groups that are responding to questions the way that this dead author might have responded to questions, I mean that is actually exactly
the kind of zombie relationship, the you're describing accepted zombie, Jonathan swift, you could, I think,
Imagine all sorts of ways.
could essentially bring back. Is this is creepy in way, but we can
as bizarre lee
very similar conversations with dead intellectuals, asking them about what how they would respond to issues of the day, and that is this process of zombie vacation. It you're talking about
not its at their voice, but maybe fifty years from now we have a ton of recordings of certain peoples. Voices will be able to do
two I mean I don't I don't know if that's good were creepy were fashioning.
switch project or unbelievably unethical like it. Might we in a weird way before at the same time, but there is no question, is so so interesting
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On their on the art side of things,
and a zombie part of it. So it say
if chase wanted to bring back the sopranos and we had the technology. James Gandolfini passed away, I dunno twelve thirteen years ago and he has the technology.
ah the ay I boy stuff for it could be like. I can basically make old tony soprano. I can make tony's,
this broad didn't die. Now is
Sixteen years later, seventeen years later, eighteen years later, he's an.
old mobster in new jersey,
and here's is life and that can have an actor playing am I can do face stuff to make. It really see my
had scandal fini and I can add the voice saying all the lines I dont think David chase would do this.
but my point is: I do think
in ten years we will be able to do stuff like this, and some people are going to do it. It's too
would be for me to imagine it being a hit, but it's also
The the came to my mind is cool and I'm not sure the cool is. Is the perfect word for it, but I'll run with it. Anyway, it's cool
do you know this is a technology the people going to you
and this is where I return to my point about play. If you imagined a democratized sheep readily available technology that
put Zombie I ganda fini in all sorts of situations that would replace all sorts of names in my imagination right it would it would people would talk to each other and ran ache. So
Franco's fancy media using this technology laverne avoiding any lives, yeah right exactly a before an audience of like five, though not an audience of five million, and that's where I think you know if it to the extent that bumble working on a couples
like. You know, big picture ideas about like where we going with AI. What does it mean and like the grand sweep of like you know the last one hundred years of media and
I mean the conversation were they said. You know, the twentyth century was really an era of mass production and for all,
in time. We then headed for an era of narrow casting, so you think that
twentieth century as like mass production plus broadcast. That is
shows that shares are made to be watched by fifty million people and broadcast thirty million people. Ok into early twenty first century we move to mass production plus narrow cast, so you have art and entertainment that is made for tens of millions of people.
Facebook feeds and twitter feeds and intricate feeds and tiktok feeds are all specific, they're all narrow cast for you. She you're heading in,
visualize slice of mass production. What might happen in the future? Is that you
individual production plus narrow cast, if that makes sense, so chatty bt rights. Just for you, if you promise attributes to write, you know a dick with episode, nigh promptitude dick with episode. We will get to different dick wolf episodes,
But how far does that personalization process go? Could you imagine a I songs, written just for you? I like
taylor swift song, but do it in a style of you two? Could you imagine
against that shit,
in response to individualised use request so that, in effect, no one is playing the exact same game. That, I think, is the really spooky weird promise of ay. I that
we already understand that we live in a world of fragmentation right. You used to have alter my uncle Walter Cronkite, and now everyone gets the news from your own podcasting newsletter. How far can ay I take that where people can intervene,
wait their consumption of media so much that every
is consuming their own personalized thing on their own narrow cast. That's right think it gets really weird and interesting.
As somebody in the music industry just
Me too, I poets and here the to the person who knows things he said
Authenticity always wins, regardless of how they say I think, comes out and at that's interesting point just in general that
Humans are always gonna want the humans to win fittest fraid, so even with art in
any of this kind of stuff, I'm all right.
Can I want the song that was made by a real human over the saw that was made you know by robot cosette are that does is tat
ass, deep down in our souls that you know
our cottages
if the hamster wheel and there's no
thing special about any of us. We can just be replicated by sore. I filigree human part of it and also like from
she being able to perform, which is where, like in the music industry.
Most of the money is really coming out from concerts like this taylor, swift toward that's going on right now,
You can have any. I concert so that so there's one there's a piece of bad benches: narrowing and change the other thing. He said
This is a positive one. Like think of cost,
warren's going to go to the negatives like we just did for a half hour, as I think of the positives like house's going to change healthcare. Would, if there
is in the air. I health care up that I could just put it.
Symptoms and adjust immediately figures out exactly what I need and get some medicine, and you know where I live-
the doctors these days, but what? If
can really diagnose. Hey I've, known
these nice things are going out with the right now, and that could be this. It's a little liquid. The stupid watches that we talked about the last amira that my wife was going
see that really got a seventy four asleep, but maybe there,
Maybe I will figure
a better way for us to take care of ourselves. So that's a positive there
is you two really good examples? Let me try to hit them one by one. So the first thing you said that I actually agree with is that people like people that heather swift fans are not fans of the
Sound of taylor, swift, music, no matter where it comes from, they are super fans for her. They love her. They have paris social relationships with her
and I see no evidence. As I said at the top, there is no number one a
tv show there is no number one. A
the musician. If that changes, I'm ready to change my hypothesis that people love people, but we that art is about this relationship between human fans and human artists, because it's not just about the product yeah, he can write stuff, but people are.
and the peoples that summer, one member to I'm really glad he brought up the science medicine parks have had a lot of really interesting conversation with scientists and doctors about
how this technology is being used, and I think the best way to think
out. It is sort of short term medium term long term, so short term is being used in a lot of prosaic ways.
So much of being a scientist these days is writing a bibliography and light ready, mecca, lit review of some
further money publish nature journal. It takes due.
Sometimes now you can do it in minutes, possibly, and that's really fantastic that'll change time and hopefully that'll improve science. Medium term bill, you nailed it it's it's diagnostics. You know we already live in a world where, if you have a stomach ache and your food and your
the swollen, and he can't see your right eye by the time you
your doctor you're, going to use your one good eye to google other symptoms and come in with a theory. This is what I think I have you know it's. I I think it's gout and he says it's not knockout, and then you have a fight about whether or not it's gout they're going to have better diagnosed.
towards new, can so easily. Imagine that a human doktor plus a high quality diagnostic large language model, or at the height of a high quality diagnostic a I is going to be a
witcher diagnostic experience, the long term possibilities are what really really thrill me and we try to do this quickly, because it's sort of a complicated betting association,
Everything about like what cha cha deputy does chacha BT maps were
in a multi dimensional space to
stand the relationship between every world word that exists so that when you prompted it can build a kind of map of meaning from all of those words that you understand,
the correct answer, and that is amazing- that it can do this. But sometimes I think, like all right.
Catchy BT is fluent in the language of english, the language of english, but there are other court unquote languages that exist that humans might not be fluent in yet so, for example,
about with the human body ourselves or talking to each other.
Emma renee is talking to a proteins. Are t cells were talking to diseases? We just don't know what the after singing
but biology. Anatomy is a language, is just a language
We humans are not fluent in yet, but
years ago there was a project, it deep mind called alpha fold which crap the mystery of protein folding.
you could say essentially and is not to metaphorical that crack the language of proteins and if our bodies essential
you are a language that we aren't fluent in the air. I can
understand, the same way. It understands english. It might be
will the have all sorts of breakthroughs about cancer and
the disease that we are even close to cracking
and that's really like the long term. Far
way utopian hope is that it is building. We are building a kind of internal,
and that will let us go so much further in answering the most important questions of human lifespans and medicine and
I am, I am mildly, optimistic that on alone
time horizon ten fifteen years, we're gonna see miraculous stuff come down. The pike from are artificial, intelligent understanding of our bodies yet made me think of you.
Great pie cast a few months ago about dieting and the concept of how we not cracked gotta dieting, there's always there
diets, why has one of the one word where's that, whereas the
that's just this is the way to do it. Like a basketball there like take more three borders arising yeah, you should,
and then just but now
things don't like that and the answer which I think you lie. I forget the guess: who's the guest we had. We
yes, but we are. We had a. We had a guess from from harvard and technologist and and then we had, I had some writers on his well to talk about sort of like meta analyses, and you know one of the shots about
These are already say. One of that one of the guests were the basic conclusion. Was there is now
answer every person's different and the died
what works for you. It doesn't mean it's gonna work for my wife. That doesn't mean it's going to work for my son, everybody's different everything had something differently and it makes
big with ay I if they I can.
figure out a way to basically what each person what what they like, what they don't like, what
facts them because I yesterday my son brought eat my someone got big jose you wanna bagel had every beggars, unlike you know what
want a big onto their giving its hosting
beg of christians? I had it was in a coma for like
now hours at a fairly good business. Why do they had this bagel? But clearly, if I had a big
cream, cheese and the middle day. I'm just gonna stop fur until three in the afternoon. My body knows this: if you had a
Basically, I manager and it takes in all the
and I eat every day, and I might this made me feel good. I had this. I feel terrible who had trouble
yes, two thousand disaster and then a I basically scripts out. What has she need every day.
maybe I'm bleeding a better life I mean they did so back to your point
cows sum this up by be allow better I'd. I do think that's gonna happen. I think
happen to, and you know how I want to reserve the possibility. I think we spent a lot of time on the downsides and obviously there's lots of ways at a. I could go wrong, but just another vote for optimism here. You could imagine the combination of whereabouts, Andy, I being really powerful
because, if you ve got napa watcher, you ve got some next generation apple watch and you eat a bagel in this area in such a future and the apple,
has some way of measuring the fact that you are incredibly lethargic, or maybe you just tat two buttons to indicate extreme lethargy on your phone, then maybe it it remembers, your history,
but better and it is, it is informing you as you go about your life, little things that might make you happy, or so I know someone working on a stealth project that is, and I think he would describe it as her
the technology from the movie her, but where the romance libitum eyes doubted it. So it can't fall in love with you, but
still a personal assistant in your ear,
can follow you around and talk to you if you want to be taught to buy it, and I think that, having
kind of extraneous intelligence, essential
remember all sorts of things for you that you wouldn't otherwise remember you're busy guy, you got you till you. Ve got all these jobs. You might not remember like if I have that
the big lion, am I'm gonna be lethargic until two p m, but if some extraneous
elegances, remembering that for you I think that could really really help. I think,
I have a lot of people because there's just so much going on it's nice to have another macro brain always running alongside you, ve.
They get? It would help Joe mozilla during game, one of the heat series or like Joe, they can't missis shaw,
call time out your tea maids
three minutes to think about this, and so in sports, though
Couldn't you see this kind of changing like we ve already seen in sports? We had all this. The data revolution change
We played basically every sport,
some ways for the worse, like a baseball, actually think they ve had to make.
These new rules, just the kind of undue some of the damage,
and I wonder now know I could you do this in full
could you have as script out? You know that
as they call shannon scripted out his first fifteen plays? Maybe I scripts out like eighty and they screwed
at every snare, like your dad tend to Joe burrowed third quarter hear this.
suppose you should run so you can have a long drive. I think I'll. That's that's! Coming
you had a big, that's crazy with germany.
Will he needs the equivalent of apple watches, reminder to stand just like every hour it by says. You're regulators maybe
it stands for executive. Your team is down seventeen point this quarter like maybe today I call you tie not when it comes to sports. I the reason
I am a little bit less optimistic. Is that I wrote this piece about what I call the dark side of money ball, which is that lots of entertaining industries as they get smarter their products get couldn't quote dumber, or at least less interesting, so is baseball, got smarter. You had an increase in strike out an increase in walk
an increase in singles. You had increase in other at eight she's, the end and down and home runs you
recent all this, the three true outcomes- and there are few- are based
there's essentially than ever in basketball.
I think you ve seen. I think it's fair to say
Although I love the the playoffs you seen and homogenization styles, there's a huge broad understanding that the point is worth more than two points in teams to shoot more three
you could argue seen the same in hollywood like look at the top ten movies of
year. This century is all movie
with numbers in them guards
she three adaptation, sequels and reboot. You look it music saw-
tend to stay at the top of the music charge for longer than they used to, and people listen to older songs more than they used to. You could argue
Music is getting more repetitive, then it was soon all these industries that have few
become a little bit more boring or less diverse. It's not happen.
Because the industries are getting dumber is having precisely because they're getting smarter and I'm
I would be a little bit worried that a I would make the hammer
innovation of strategies and sports a little bit worse it everyone's essentially drawing from the same large language
to the side. Should I passed the situation should I run? Should I go forth down
it might lead to everyone essentially doing equivalent of taking a three forty percent. The again
was at a speed for their markets may be makes it up with the sixers thought is the veiled thank you.
gone about its own debates it. Why do you not feel that I did you d darrell said the he's in favour. I dont know how sincere this is, but he's in favour of making the three point line worth two point: five points in order to change a strategy right, even he is saying the finite strategies that people like me are pursuing
our leading to an infinite strategy. It is making the game a little bit more imagination, boring and nearly one weight of. If you want to fix it, dont tell me darrell to fix it, fixed the rule and
right, you know, then the slow nerds of the world will change their strategies based on the new rule, hobby
buzz example. Just get get rid of the actual corner three make that too, and you know it would go. I think are the last piece.
in talk about this, the sports obey. You know it's not hard.
At the last piece we talk about was the safety, security, peace and
you know everybody's mind when they hear buddy. I goes there. What happens when
I override something and I'll pieper bomb. Each other will die,
that I do not have answers. I dare thompson, I dont know this
certain ben the pot of the latter movies over the years, including war games which came up forty years ago, but
that woman I'm a little more dubious on, and that seems like that's gonna above coordination between countries.
world leaders and things that generally the world has been great at these days. So
that way out what this is. Thank you
for the alley oop, this was the last episode of plain english that get called the future of war. Is here, and we talked to the ceo of enderle, who is which is the company that makes probably more drones and sells more jones? U S, government than any other, and I talk to my.
Ross anderson, redder and the atlantic about his recent work. Any I I'd summarize it very quickly. This way.
I am not against using a I to replace troops, but we
Not you say I to replace generals. I dont want ay. I may
decisions about who to invade? I dont want a I making decision.
commander control of nuclear weapons, but I'm not against a future where fewer of our soldiers are in the field.
And I am not against a future where we outlined.
borders of certain nervous countries like ukraine, with drones that make it less likely that a russia invades.
I think there are ways to use a irresponsibly to reduce the likelihood of war rather than me
lee increase the likelihood of some kind of atomic catastrophe. But that said- and you mentioned this- this-
sweden so carefully and like nuclear weapons, this
not something where, if the, u s comes up with its own rules and our rules work for the entire world, no shyness
its own rules and russia's going to develop it's own chachi be tease, and so is pakistan in brazil. All these countries are going to eventually have these tools,
and we need something like a montreal protocol or united nations to bring countries together. Even if
geopolitical net adversaries and say come
find some way that we reduce the light
he heard of automated apocalypse. Do you think fake man figures
king and ten, ten years about how as doing two thousand thirty three, I think the I think we are, but I dont think anyone's listening that
the thing that really hard overcome is that
looking a little making, making a shot bill that you tell a joke. To your
and if you both listens this image part cast for years and years. That's that's funny. That's an audience of two making me
in robot, making zombie bill for an audience of two million. That's so much harder and very unlikely, because people listen to you because they want to know what you actually think, not what a robot plausibly sounds and plausibly thinks, like you, thanks
You know I was thinking. I was trying to think how, with how it s
help me the most just wait two week right what
one thing we have the most that thinking it would help the most with the rewatch doubles: prep, because the real
I suppose. It's basically is
grip. The have all these categories so I'll do
Other research now put the stuff in different categories that I'll watch the movie in output, different observations in there and technically a I could figure out exactly that.
dropped as they can examine the movie, put the things it
just laid out for me and save me three to four hours of work. Even before I watched the movie, the problem is:
podcast s would have good, because I wouldn't be coming up with these different ideas and thoughts. As I'm doing the research- and oh I see,
is that, unlike all that makes me think of this, I don't sale as ever going to replicate that end.
Maybe I could lay out a kind of a basics,
captive. Oh here are the the the the cafe
in our research. We do in that for the most
did still needs. I, my brain
it's a kind of you
be, the chef
and I'm sure, you're in the same.
Thing with some of the pieces you're working on that you could have a I like, basically lay the foundation, but then you are now.
Thinking about it as you're writing about it. It's just that can be as good. I totally agree. I found it most useful at two things and the first I
cant think of its relevance to the relaunch wells. It's pretty good of coming up with history stories
you're, if you're, writing a book but say a book, a basketball- and you say I once I'm looking for shedding stories from basketball history that show that on drafted or overlooked players,
can be incredibly important in nba finals. Give me seven examples of an and of a of a poor,
evaluated player in the draft, become
a hero in the NBA finals, in my experience, is pretty good at doing that and yeah it's not it's. It's not. You can obviously see
I could be useful when you're writing a book and you're making the point about this idea that sometimes
random jason terry's it end of swinging, a serious right judge, whereas the other way as really useful is, if you have a theory,
and you put couldn't chastity, you can say tell me I'm wrong. Give me
reasons why this is wrong, so you could say give me reasons why I'm wrong in assuming that it's good to call a time out when your team is,
the back end of a twenty two to run. Tell me why I'm wrong in saying that ever
movie with LEO might be made a little bit better with Matt Damon. Like tell me why certain theories of mine about entertainment and sports and history and technology to me where I'm wrong, I found
actually really useful. It doing that and there again you're not using it to write your using it to test the quality of your theory and maybe you'll build on it. Maybe I'll say:
Well, maybe I can incorporate a little bit of this into my work, but
so allowing you to do the thing that good writer should already be doing anyway, but is frankly very hard when your crafting a peace which is constantly imagining this,
shadow ledger of arguments that is scream,
at your article in telling you why every single thing you're saying is wrong. This sort of
Tell me why I'm wrong magical damon that you can have access
alongside you as your writing, I found it pretty useful Jesus
sounds better than pot. We are we
shit. There is one more piece o we didn't talk about the financial aspects of this. Just that could could like hedge fund,
the different places put
basically the history, the stock market into ai and have as spit bag the
jobs and flows of black out this
now happen for nine months. That means that this is getting too good. That means we can expect some sort of bad things
to all the sudden? This will happen and just because, regardless of what
happening society. The stock market does have a certain
for them to it. Could I like to learn that rhythm? Theoretically, yes,
have no doubt that wealth manager,
his and investors, and I banks all over the world- are going to try to build their own models. But I think if this is like you know, trading as an equilibrium, there's a there's a
I am very seller in a cellar, freebie, buyer and if all the institutions are going to listen
we build their own language models that are now
at the same data that are looking at the exact same history of the s me five hundred to make predictions about the next.
Months. It s be five hundred, then it might all just wash out
I see no evidence that air
is so much better at prediction in the long run in a weird way. What,
makes a special is the very opposite: a prediction: they're, not brilliant, at mixing and matching things that happen in the future. There's no data from a few
there, brilliant mixing matching the data from the past, as when the reasons as to why you're so good at like pastiche, its old fashioned. If you say you know right me,
this weird story in the style, the king, James Bible or in the style of shakespeare, because those things
so old and there's so much
data on them on the internet, their fantastic at that there's, no doubt if in the future. So it's not clear to me this very technology,
be so good, anticipating things that haven't happened so to wrap up
the only things we know for sure is that
This is an incredible way for students in high school couch to cheat. They greatly
just this is like this is
This is the glory days of cheating. I don't think it's ever been a better time that she, if you're a state,
Let me know police it. If you're out,
I give you professor. How would you be? They must have some sort of devices.
back in like check the rhythms of any waste. Yet
I have tools as I understand it, but and ian bogost has read a piece about this for the atlantic. The upshot of his piece was an professor screwed right now like this is the napster era of cheating.
like for those things whatever like two and a half years right, where you could base listen to any song you wanted for free. It was just you could just download it at that, and there was no way anyone was going to interfere, that that is what it is right now:
for writing essays, especially essays about established history, established, mathematics, established physics, redding, says, or thinking about the future might be a little bit harder again, because there's no information for the airlines to gather up the future. But, as I understand it, cheating is rampant and also
you know a college. Professor letters recommendation cheating that europe and to you know the controversies, might say you know what you know allows are going to write a.
Guess, is I'm not gonna write authentic letters, a recommendation and they could of course automate those as well, so I can imagine a lot of
cheating and shipping equivalent essaying in high school in college
and the solution there is as obvious as it is inevitable. You have to test people in class. You have to have them right in class,
and you have to do oral examinations as well, because if you send somebody home with a free technology that will one hundred percent right that essay in a deep, less dial, you'd, simply qantas you
say: are everyone just go home and put the essay question in a box and get a pleasure me
Definitely definitely he is that yeah than the last thinner members just netflix. This is,
be
horror, movies, rom, coms, high school
team comedies. You know
never ones were somebody's
with somebody else
person does realize it's a twenty minute mark
if the movie like we're
gonna see a steady wave of of jews, blueprint movies that whenever it so different stars.
and it might be one of these cases where the introduction
of a high to screen, writing- and I
cynically, but not because I hate screenwriters. Just because I'm aware of what so much of moving television is, we may not notice it. We might.
Eliza now years after the fact that
if all that of alone, five years, that all these movies that we ve been watching, you know. Well, we had dinner or just sort of unit, looked at our phones that the stories were inflection
good, bye. I and we didn't miss a beat because they would they retraced
What audience is already wanted? Audiences already wanted a kind of efficient predictability that eyes turned out to be excellent. It
I talked to spotify a fire. We can kyle at his bachelor party and it was fifty four
He came back alive, so I like so kyle doesn't come back again can share
I'll- be the producer there. They were not ready at its like six months away
I better place, you could read Derek Amir lack. Any
and this too is awesome pack as plain
good for you. You are in the forefront of all you ve already
you did at least
by their besides. I beg at this point so vague you ve been on it
But now this feels like it
be this summer. May I so we had to do it now, thanks for pop, and I appreciate it,
The deadline for the pack asked dec
david curbing Joe has thanks to their thompson thanks car create for producing dexter, steeps really as well in joy. The weekend go celtics. I will see you son
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