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curse, timber, wolves, say my possible, maybe even second laughter use, but we're gonna lead with the pathetic pistons, because those other two games or bus collide and play the brandon. play? Ok sea winds, minnesota wines. We could talk about him later. The pistons lose twenty five straight. This is a number in two thousand twenty three. That seems impossible with the amount of three pointers but it takes just three point: variants alone: it's almost like flipping a coin twenty five times and getting heads twenty five times seems is realistic to me in it. They did it and looking at the schedule, this might keep going and nobody thought about this, but we're talking about it. Now I don't see where it's gonna end I mean and tonight which the police were, would event that right, I mean I looked at it when I was on the show this afternoon bill lowery market in south Jordan, clarkson's out george stop talent, orton talker results. This team is planned back to back. I think it was the fifth game in seven days

It was the easy answer that it was the easy onto the street. You dont, when this one, I don't know where it ends in other pressure, probably starts to build so they have. home and home at brooklyn, then home against brooklyn are there next to then they plant boston, home toronto at houston, at you tackle instead at number at sacramento, Basically, it's gotta be one of these two broken games unless it would be the upset of the century, because the problem with this team they're they're thirtieth in every three point category. So it's not like you know, they're not going to shoot twenty two for forty. I have one day from three, which means that we have to be you a talent and they don't have any town and they get their asses kicked over and over again.

and like the. Where are the winds coming from, because the schedules been relatively easy, I think it gives a lot of orders decision goes along, like think about some of the teams that they ve they ve lost at sea, alludes to the jobs, which is a skeleton crew. Tonight you do that at home, when they're well rested, ministers were arrested, utah's, not already lost deportment homer. You blew a big lead. You want do you lost by you, like nineteen points to washington and home, so like whose law if you are running on bad teams, cause there's like six or seven bad teams. There's like three or four historically bad teams, then there's like twenty good teams. So, if you're not beaten, if you're not beat the three or four jameson home you're one another you're one, another winds possibilities and what is even worse,. This was going on and once this got into the twenties this I sir led into a package

went about it, but it felt like it was a bigger story than maybe it should have been. I think one of the reasons it wasn't was because there's no smoking gun to point to here where you can say this is why they're in this mess that this is a team that picked first, fifth, fifth and seventh, the last four years right, but there's a little bit of bad luck with with some of those picks and there's no terrible trade. You can't point to one sort of tipping point moment: it's just kind of bad, and what's crazies, if you go through the pistons just in general, so they they made the eastern files it away, molasses, ethics. kind of the end of their rashid, wrote that that whole crew there was done too nine Lost and round one since then they bid the first round twice since two thousand nine think along there is that the refs year, one of obama that made the first round twice they lost both of those. What do you think their highest win? Total was for a season since two

as night? Oh, my god number leads, won't judge else. I'll go five hundred, so I'll go forty one I would that was their second highest. That was two thousand and eighteen. They won forty four games in two thousand and sixteen they've lost fifty plus games eight times. This will be the ninth ninth time this year. How many all stars do they they've had since the o, eight or nine season? Oh boy? Ah, let's go to three iverson drummond made it why is blake griffin in two thousand and eighteen, do you think they've lost the most games of anyone in the league since the two thousand and nine two thousand and ten season? Is that a yes or no are aiming to think about this because fill it out We have spent like five years loser unfair invitation. I louis intentionally loosing about the concerning part about this. Is there not intentionally losing ah I'll go with

go with yes, I guess I, the answer is yes there, the item with seven hundred plus losses over that stretch, sacramento second minnesota's, third orlando's forth and charlotte's fifth and the ring. I mentioned this sacramento they've turned it around. They have some hung up right amid the playoffs last year, ST not as great this year, but always they're above average minnesota. We watch them tonight. I I think: that's it that teams a legitimate finals, contender orlando feeling, great, not fronds and palo. Looking good arrow pointing up they got some moves to make. That might be a give forces possibly and even look at charlotte leg. They ve mellow and their brain empower like those are these foundation pieces for something going forward. I look at the trade you know we're so when I talked about cade widgets, It is now enshrined in just tried to do. The complete rebuilt is a keeper. I guess Kate is the key burn this team that I'm not even positivism keeper.

you're mentioned, like all these pics, like think of the roster, and this might be the issue as well. Is they didn't draft like or they don't have anybody on the roster that, like up almost as a role player, raymond league. Think along I gotta be oral player like aids number one overall cried morphine. ugly number tool for all james wiseman tool for all jailing, ivy spit overall, a sword, thompsons fifth overall, who actually do really lie like how to get winning player. I reckon haze seventh overall cabin knox: ninth overall alec bergs, even a while back twelve old world jailing during thirteenth overall. So That's nice guys that got selected within the law, we did get nine lottery teams. Can you think of another another team? That's got nine lottery guys on the roster and are still this bad. No! Never! shopping fur kind of failed lottery, packs there it there are costs, go walk down the aisle grab out that marvin bagley will take. Our wiseman will take him. I really like thomson. This is the worst kind of team for him to be a right. This is,

There's no cohesion seem at all all the stuff that he does is stuff. That you know is is he's gonna work, the better the team is I still believe in him. He would, if I to do a keeper draft for this team. I might actually take him over cade, because kids got that big contract coming up. It always is this. Is your three frame You can start thinking about an extension before year, for I am in this The problem with the ambient air read the bulls are in this situation, with the vain where there are in your ticket and you literally can't trade him now, so I don't know what the answers with that. Of it. They just been eighty million dollars in their coach and he just lost twenty five straight and If it was your five for him, if I got mine, he's gonna get fired, but he just started. So I don't I don't know what you do that either. Do you,

eating. Seventy eight point: five million dollars. Now you with that, you have to do something. I know Troy weaver, like sign that extension last off season. I think that they said was around here and it s got a job. I joy, so we he's gonna stay unless they want to eat. Monty monty- is going to stay like you would think, like You'D- think the trade somebody just to make a move where he goes in like wicker uzbek last year. I think when miami was up three, nothing that he liked started. Throwing chairs at the players like at least something that Tom is asked to do, cause you're, embarrassing. The team and, like the concerning part, is like you said: it's been fifty. in europe since the last I play off victory and buildings. Think about the other teams that have lost more in a row right. So I think it's just the two thousand and eleven cavaliers the two thousand and sixteen sixers. The answers were losing on purpose right strife. There is a reason behind. That's the truth, as an eleven cavaliers, really didn't have time to pivot off of lebron leaving right, because I kind of came as a surprise and I'm like okay, where do we go from here? Detroit's like had all this time to build?

Staying in troy weavers been there for a pretty good amount of time, they're still like really no direction. Tom gore's bought the team in september, two thousand eleven for three hundred twenty five million turn that stretch when there is just a bunch of teams. about basically everybody who bought an mba theme in the beginning in two thousand late, two thousands got it got an awesome deal now he is the worst owner just from a success standpoint. This is now a twelve year run of abject failure, but never gets mentioned in the conversation for hay who's, the worst owner and sports, like just from a win loss recorded it's Tom gore's. we could put him even against, like the cleveland, browns owners and people like that. Maybe the one organization that's going down since then in money- I don't know, but she could sell it for what's involved you obviously, but here I bet it's it's not bad, and ah you I don't know where it ends and

always even began to make a million dollars per hour per when they get get to thirteen wins. That's what he's making while I've mention this lay two weeks ago, When you have a bad team and then you over pay your coach. Sometimes that's the worst thing you can do because then he feels like he's invincible and then the players are I don't really like playing for this guy, but he's not going anywhere it. I. The problems are deeper where they built this team. It's it's like a bunch of guards right get they took. after he on killing Hayes jade now being cape cunningham through the last four years, all whom seem like Indeed the border succeed, so just fundamentally that doesn't work. Then they have all these big guys with. League, where you need a lot of shooting they traded sedate bay last year for wise men, even though they already jail and it just ill physic they're, putting together a fantasy team. more than a real team, but when you go through other than the weird

And this is why I think people haven't. I talked about them that much cause. There's not a lot to say like you go, year by year in a kid if you can kill them a little bit, but you can't go. Oh my god. That's the stupidest thing like in twenty twenty. They took Killian Hayes seven and and went twelve for a lot of teams passed on and a b a lot of well like killing hay is like chaos, see who, I think, done a really good job in the draft. For us he thought that was the possibly the best prospect in the draft and and obviously in retrospect, halbert the pact I'll. I really liked albert there twenty one. That's ok, honey in the first pillar in the draft I was a mobile guy that year, but most people were cunningham guys. Nobody was like what are you guys doing that mean that was the consensus number one and then in twenty two, when they took ivy at five nope, He was going nuts about that. I mean you could look from a roster construction angle, shade and sharp when seven

dasent Daniels, when when eight or nine, and so had when read after that, the dispersion you could say well, why did they take a swim guy? I think there. I think if you're going to kill them on anything. It's probably that thinking a I being cape could play together cause they can yeah, but even if you think back to that, rough ride, and I remember I was there covering it. Everybody thought that cheat and iD was going to go forthright and the kind of mental cause. I went with Keegan Murray and that's turned out to be a really good pick, as I could have taken off right now, but you know so he kind of slipped and people thought he was. A top four player was pretty clear that it was going to be chat palo in Jabari smith as the front three, but then you thought a little gap, Treating ivy than its keegan murray, sacrament, hangs, Keegan Murray, and you don't see it. I wouldn't kill them. Right on that either in like an iota rely jerk, jubilant durham, I mean I think treatment organs can be really good player. You can't kill him forget because we all would have. you'll never wanted more, and then you can't kill him for us, our Should it be a good guy s orders not individual years. We need some time to go out and say this

Bad move, that's a bad move, it just, I guess the pieces that fit together and that that's the other think built just like for a second, I think, back to the two thousand and one day you know, I guess sixteen That was the twenty six games in a row which it looks like they're gonna do right now, like is smith, Juliet good for new orleans, no well robert Covington Hollis Thompson. Those are the guys that had the most minutes for philadelphia that year, like you, can tell why that scene lost so many games that are of I liked this roster a lot better than that. alpha team or that cavaliers team. That was twenty six themes and rough like the talent here they should lose twenty five twenty six games in rob. I agree with the baghdad image, missed a bunch of games and he's their best shooter, but he's back now you go back and look at some of the trades. I made. You know they traded conor to browse brown and some seconds for city bay. They traded for jeremy grant

right from damper there now and then they pay them. They are they traded crystal when the second francais stuart, like these words, are bad, get getting bag and then paying almost probably a mistake, as I'm not sure what world Barbara bag with thirty million barrier guy up there the jeremy grant, who I think has a value for the twenty five bucks peck. That will be in the bottom of the draft. The trade they signed or then they traded for bugged. Provision, and last year they held out bogged down imagines that a trading, oh man, I think he would advise they traded bay for weizman this summer, these their calves space to trade for Joe Harris yo individually in its like. None of these moves are like a catastrophe, but the team that they built. The roster and how it makes sense with each other. This is kind they should have lost twenty four. I've games at around now, but it's it's clearly

the worst team in the week, I even the wizards you can watch the wizards in there could be no work whose main poor fail in it or they'll. Get like the random corey kissed. Her game I think we really hard for that team will lose more like twelve thirteen around this, you can't shoot it's a little more realistic to me right now. Especially in cades taken a ton of shots riding has been really inefficient. So that's another issue is like your. Your best player is, and I bought out of it still might be their best player. At this point, he struggled here at the nite owl, which is one of the since they lost, and that's probably the one move that I'm criticising that little bit with is five out of its last year. A ton of value might have been able to get like two first round picks. I would have maybe parted with him last year, and I had said that throughout the entire the yeah you want you want get worse, not content, shred water. Where near the middle and I'd think Bogdanov achieve real value. Last I begin by right now let me show you it was twenty five consecutive games. What's the point of having him on the roster, if you're going to win six games all year

the point of having them on the roster, get somebody who's gonna help you in the future, because again, like bogdanovich as soon as he can get the heck out of there is going to get the heck out of there and through this reseller on tuesday, about the possibility like? Should they just trade cade? Do you just do a full Reboot see we now Jane ivy, maybe give him the car keys. I was thinking about the spurs, ok, then they have a million pigs and is it that he be realistic. As we don't see, we use it on in this day and age teams give up on young point guards like that start with halliburton and the kings, but that was pretty, circumstances right. They had a clear fox halberd nakata had to pick one of em, but for the most part you don't really see it, but this is the idea we grew up with rag. We we watched in the nineties we would, whilst is the high lottery, takes just get traded After, like a year and a half, I would think about it I was them. I. I think it might be a change of scenery, time for him, because, with the extension coming, the he just came extend somebody who can win anything for you

we are you sought with chauncey bill, tried fifty games into a corner many bounced around before canada. We found himself awe and if he did go to the amazon, you do you think papa, which would blame at point. Our were replaced by power for my god, I don't have visa the cook, so hand driving when be flashes. For now you then he just ignore them and then drives ended, desert turnaround. bob, I I I I mean popular is this is one of the reasons I like listen to natty when I'm driving around is united the zag again. Stove, though europe thank and one of the group thanks as pop spurs there so great that site. We sure bob still good Why are we sure there's competence here at this point? It I've been saying that, and I fell into that wall like when it first happen. I'm like, while we ended up in the right place right and ever get you didn't like what you're exactly like everybody. say like all. What do you think about when banana, like the first words on everybody's mouth? Is

Oh, he ended up in the right place. I'll tell you that like are we sure, because if anybody else was using him the way the pop up, which is used them so far the season we be criticized right and I wonder like how webby and the people around him starting to fail halfway through the season, because the frustrating thing about watching them is just get him. The fucking balls, for five, but here he has doubts about for four minutes. What do we do it and then its light? We judge these guys right from the start. I get mad. If you win rocky of the year, which it doesn't look like he's going to Duke, that's probably gonna go to chat it matters like if he hasn't eighteen game losing shriek and his regime is like adding and I were going through it we're going like for it with the longest losing street for magic. Was this the longest miasm shriek for bird? Was this jordan? m, o brien like if he wants to build up a resume stuff like that matters in the long term. If you look at all the guys it won of the year. I think the only two like all time greats that didn't winner, give the year, meaning like that? My top shovin guise of all time are wasil because he joined the selfish like midway.

For this reason, but he wants championship in the magic, in the championship and he didn't win rookie year, obviously, because he came in at the same time as bored, and you are giving this guy the opportunity to do that and like that, something that import on the resume and you're not gonna, get back because papa videos using them in all these we're different wage and shed has grammy. We did so early weren't that even at the one third pointed the season, but we're here the check mark where, when you get third, the seasons? Ok, let's look around. What do we got here? Eighty chet really being o o. a sturdy rookie year. Pack, I didn't think you would be this sturdy? Twenty five games in, I thought you know that way we would be in their subtle some industry guy, but it's like its shit anyway.

I like unanimous if we had the vote now, but let's also be fair about this, like if women yama was in oklahoma city and shut was in San Antonio again, I think when banana would be cause. I still think when Benihana is, is the better player in the mortality plant as much kind of the the numbers, but he's just he ended up in the perfect spot, and it goes back to like we see with rookies all the time like lebron didn't end up with the perfect spot when he was drafted in cleveland, magic and bird ended up in perfect spots. Russell ended up at a perfect. Duncan ended up in perfect spot when been on right now. Has it shut out? Most of the time is not a perfect, but do you think? Second, your guys should win ready we're all like. I have all these different things where I won't give a second year guy, the the most improved flyer cause, I think, you're supposed to improve like. If you want to argue, though, that you're like yeah, I mean I get worked up over so many stupid things, that's just another and like on the list that I don't allow myself to get worked up over. So I don't have an issue with it. I I'll, probably under up voting for the end of the year. I dont really factor that and I think I probably vote it may be for

be deferred and had a vote back then, when he always, even though we must, I think, is first to two years as a leggy by legs yeah, he paid back thirty ways to be. I didn't because I'm a big stickler for the games played like you've, got to play a certain amount of games like sixty six sixty seven games in order to get my vote, but I don't really have an issue with a second year guy winning yeah the bad team. The thing with the m b, a right now, detroit's, two and twenty six san antonio has fallen twenty three, but at least san Antonio feels like on the occasional night. They have a punchers chance and may be beating somebody, but they're still sex. where's washed, its foreign, twenty, two negative, probably start trading, I said that's about is bad of bottom phrase we pad, because then you go portland nineteen. They be phoenix last night, portland kind of look sneaky, frisky fur, about ten days here and I think that actually pretty fund a watch, the I just

why Portman has regular bad like in a typical season. They'd be the worst team in the m b, I, when they'd be bright spot talk as I was, ripping phoenix for for losing them given eddie a hard time, but these other three teams are historically bad like Detroit clearly as his. Me bad emma, jane and join you in washington or historically bad debt? Portland she's, regular and bad charlotte, seven nineteen, but that the team that on the right nyc in beef and veal xiv, heyward southie, the memphis is the six were to wear steamer there. There are nineteen. just want to enter our jaws back again. I don't think there to meet the playoffs, but they're, certainly not a bottom six, a jack as jazz. You know one of the twenty best guy. And then he got you tired, eleven and eighteen. to run over eleven and sixteen that feels they take. You go either way. Are they going to fire sailor within no ob? Are they gonna see? Are they string along here a little bit more see what they got and then the balls at thirteen and seventeen

who, since levine without light up abundantly really well- and I don't even really know what the traders cosette my leg or fair I we're going to trade Russell and rwy. The all cattle pig forum say, oh I'm sure the buzzer dining at d'angelo Russell they're actually playing well. What do they want him, for they could kobe wait like they are better, actually fence up these on a great contract I think there are a lot of trouble. Training movie. So do I I don't, like I mean won't come out said there was no market for them, and I agree with that. Like there is a market for tomorrows and there's probably a bigger market for Alex caruso, like I think those guys that you covered on that team ah, but now does chicago like buy into this almost like miami a couple of years ago. Remember once a day I started out the season. I think ten in thirty one of the first forty one games, then they went thirty one ten, the second half and are like I were going to give extensions to, ah to Whiteside we're going to give de on waiters and they kind of got tricked a little bit I mean to chicago, buy into it and go alright well now that we're playing a little bit better. Let's keep these guys are not make a move. I don't think they should do that. I think it would be a mistake, especially

with erosion. He's gonna be a free agent, but ah, They do that at the deadline. I don't think they should. I think they should get rid of the gosh. I'm glad you brought a boyd said he culture, which we are thereabout left the budget. I am I am a big. I respect the heat, but you also need some luck and that jimmy butler summer they had no cap space, but they needed some sucker to take hassan whiteside contract off their books, and than was leg here. We are and raise their hand and took him and that's how they got Jimmy bother, but they ve got a couple of those. I bad that year When they got Lamar odom, because, though the agents grid abandoning carter's cards, Acta voided. He had also I got Lamar odom. They had the year where they got koran butler because he felt to ten when he never should have fallen to ten, like he did a little luck with some of the stuff too. We're gonna take a break and we're going to come back and you have something

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being treated as fairly as other people. In this same situation, I'm not sure that was the tact. I'm you know Brazil, and I both talked about this. I thought the expensive ones to la digue thea. The suspension was too long that twenty five games was was obscene and I didn't really grew that because he didn't put anyone else and a danger, and he was just basically setting a bad example on acting radically. I don't think that's a twenty five game suspension, but is definitely fifteen somewhere there but the way his dad handled it made me think this suspension didn't work yeah. Asshole. Like you said, you were surprised. My producer goes hey. We got team a rant on the line and I'm going wait. What team rats go to clock those right now, who didn't know he was calling in yet we weren't she's, like I got the number we're going to try and get him on the year. So we we got him on the air like, but I didn't think like he was going to follow through on and actually do write your view, because I'm thinkin like art, somebody from the m probably said hey tone it down. What's not, you know be public list,

be quiet here for a little while and thinking. Maybe somebody with a grizzlies ended up doing that show was surprised that we get him on initially and then, as you start talking, I can't believe the stuff that he was saying as yet gave me the same idea that, ah, that you got from it is There's no remorse there at all, like you saying that he didn't do anything mentally wrong. We talk to him for about fifteen twenty minutes and he's you didn't? Do anything criminally wrong like what's the big deal and then he kept Shan while other people worse. Anyone named the other guys, but he's like other faces. The league in the past have done worse. What he did was, that bad and then, like one of the criticisms everybody's been given jaws like aren't you gonna change the inner circle? The people we should hang around so I asked them directly said. Is anything changed? his inner circle. When you said no inner circle is still the same awe, and then we go. It's like you, don't you see the face. We cannot be the face of the league and he said why doesn't want to be the face? Italy, that's for other people,

He just wants to win games for the grizzlies. That's is only job and it's like well once not only job you ve gotta run we want the league- and I am an appropriate way, but to like you didn't do that job well this year, because the reason that they are seventeen nineteen o eight nineteen, whether they really are right now and get amidst the policies and is because he was message and with the gun right, he murdered their season unfortunately, very everybody there when he came back there were six nineteen. and Chris Vernon that our arguing about a disease like you know, we can get back to five hundred here, meaning the grizzlies like we jaws one of the best personally like that. This is due a bone. I just this was completely undue. Then they win that game. The big come back we get to new orleans and jars, incredible any start. Thinkin. I dont know how this place out. What could they rip off like a twenty five?

Threats, because now they have him and triple J does bombay back. The league seems to deepen too strong to do that, but I gotta say he looked he didn't look like you missed beat since he laughed, but but the awkward stuff. The fact that he doesn't seem chasin at all by anything, is concerning it, it is here I mean you heard it with the father and you can go back and listen to the interview on on serious action, but the other thing is, like you heard it almost right after the game was shown right where he he does anything. Really it's yeah. I remember everything walked exactly alike, are what are these receipt sunlight basketball related, because, like the receipts, I think are coming from people that want to help them or that are concerned like that his career, is going in the wrong direction. Like everything critical, I said it wasn't about him as a player and you think he's a phenomenal player. I think he's a top fifteen to twenty player in the sport. Like I love the

if the supplier, it was all about like hey. If you don't get this rectified in the way that you behave and off the court, then we're not going to get to see that player and you're not going to live up to your potential. So it was like criticism that was coming from a from a good place and he's acting like a from a bad polish yeah. I thought it was very kids grow by desired stuff. I thought- and I include this back ass- was a little bit harsher because that's something we could see a you're not in shape, and then we find out other stuff resign this week about this contract that he has where there different clause. There. Air in this possibility might not be guaranteed for the last three years. If he doesn't head sir weight body fat limits, that's enough, one and I just think we're nicer about this stuff than we used to be right. If this is the, if this was the mid nineties, I think that way to be covered and discussed would be waymore vicious. I think the behaviour, the fans with a heckling and all that stuff would be a more ambitious. I think the feeling I with job at last.

Eight nine months whether its people in the NBA community, like us are fans or whoever is everybody. Was hey man. We all love watching a plague in guinea. Can you get your shit together, but like really I didn't feel like there was a mean spirited edge it also when he's like, I'm keeping receipts and like I didn't hear anybody saying thing like really shitty about him. Did you know I didn't I didn't hear I mean I didn't and I'll be as harsh as anybody. I think in the n b, a media guy. If I think that he deserves to be called out- and I didn't say anything that I felt was inappropriate. In fact, I think like to be honest with you. I feel like the attacks on Zion have warranted, but I think it's more mean spirited towards zion. I think eastwards jaw like people saying about zion like you're fat, eat too much. As you know, you're not in shape like that stuff. I think, and I'm guilty of it, well. I throw out those jokes, but I mean again its job to stay in shape, so I think it's fair, I think it's out of bounds, but I think the more mean spirited stuff is probably directed its. I not necessarily jaw.

Well, we were mean spirited about the gaubert trade. I I stand by that. I they gave up way too much. I'd thought. Let we headed into last summer? I thought it had a chance to be one of the worst trades about time. It's cool, better, the team. Improved sees fit better. They figured out how to manage him in town so far below the phil again last night, that the when a beaches slaughtered them. On the one hand, I was really disappointed because I was like this is this is gonna, be minnesota's moment where they show lag? Hey? If you have a bitter yoke edge, we have the type a team is shut, those guys down and it went the other way bid towards them. But if you actually watch the game like that, the reps or just go burger, two thousand, what a two minute, something that age, It was one of those games that it was immediately off with the way it was being officiate and you can kind of feel it like. Oh it's going to be one of these games. Okay, I get it.

Yeah I mean and that that addicted again you get to early falls like on a guy. That is a key defender or a key player. It takes them right out of the game because they got to play differently and you saw like all the bigs cause. They are the best equipped to deal with them same thing with yankees. Is you got the two quick fouls and go bear to quick falls on towns to quick falls and reaching the three guys are to be trying to impede mb are all in file trouble. Now that's a skill for amber given credit for be able draw that into yes and to make the referees blow the whistle on that, but yeah. What you wanted to see that a little bit better and fifty one I mean you gotta, give em be credit, because I had been one of those guys. It's gone eyes not face many good defences, but the balmy facing took a deep, as this is gonna, be a big task and he came through with flying colours. But with that said even with that performance? Now, maybe it registers a little bit when you're filling out your ballot. I think he's been the best defender in the sport this year, gobert and like the difference in I'm sick of hearing this said well once she gets the. well the any gets exposure. The reasoning was exposed bill and I think we know this is

was surrounded by horrific defenders all over the floor in utah. That's not the case in minnesota, where you ve got anthony edward through you, ve noted on your part when he wants to can defend with the best guys in the leg, Daniel shoe? I voted for second team or defence last year. He's fantastic. go bear those weaknesses can't be exploited, for I think he fits perfect there, and we had actually tim calmly on showed that I, and he claims he didn't, hear any of the criticism that guys like us were given. Oh come on. They are so I mean clearly he did ah, but you know you gotta now hear the apologies. I guess now did he still give up too Yes, he gave up too much, but are you really gonna get on his case in retrospect? If they have the best defence, the sheer which, mostly because it bear if they have the best? record in the western conference if it's the best timber wolf scheme of all time for an organisation that spending competent in it, a run to the conference funnels or the final, can you really looking at that and say

it's a failure. Maybe you can feel like the lakers and the celtics or miami a team. That's continually had success, but if, if that's like, where they topped out after making a trade like that, but if they top out conference finals in it's matches the best team in franchise history, I think you've got gotta say the trade was worth it. If you put walker kessler and go bare spot and also gave them, at first round pick. Yes, I'm curious to see how it plays out cause go a little further along than kessler, but I I vowed be the counter one thing on nb: because I don't want to make it seem like we're skipping over fifty a pointer by because part of his job, and part of what makes him great. Is he? it really hard and the officials to officiating any initiates contact. He he's good at it, the stuff he was doing in the fourth quarter. When he gets in grooves I'd that we ve seen world Now that we ve seen some some really great centres in out there

There's some Elijah's in their there's hybrids of different scores, but I actually think he might be the best scoring centre I've seen since, karim in terms of just when he really why. If he wants to get twenty points in a quarter and he's feeling a little bit, he really can he's got these different spots from the court. That is just like money where thou his in shape. I just has been really impressed than I thought yoke edge. I mean I met a bit like ten eleven days, growers in the distance between yoke, edge and you don't want your men are in the way we I was the framing of near the house about the residence was once again. It is the same as la brown. In the next best player a beat beat a short in the distance. It no doubt about it now. Also it's one of those like hard things, were you got a seat in the policies and right because, like you, don't look at the post season for envy all the numbers nor down, like think about, you said that he's the the Sorry, son or maybe some strange, you know

average more points, cinnamon the policies and yoke actuaries. True, everybody says, is bad and yoke is accurate more points. Settlement policies in shops he's gotta, Jordan. Whole season, and one of the reasons I think has ended. The season he's asked the play like forty four hard minutes, whereas you don't which is capable of doing that. Envied sometimes breaks down, but you know, like you said in regard to the scorn the guy like you I would say doesnt shore in the same way as the shack, but, like imagine can shaped like a ninety percent free for sure. Is that right, good, I'm busy right now, like you, could file shock and checks, not gonna make you pay for, like envied, you follow me shoot ninety percent, basically on the season and the maxie peace, I think, is just a flow of the team it's better for him if he has a little more chaotic, which is good for him? Last year's team has to deliberate yup, and I don't think I watching the team this year just they feel a tiny bit more unpredictable you

to me about the reason I brought the gaubert, china that the talk about Minnesota- and indeed was you think that were at the point where two trades that have The last couple years are worse than the gaubert trade. Now, yes, I think the Johnson Mitchell trade is worse from the same team that I was like go bear better than mitchell, even when they were in utah, but I mean think about it. This way I go bearer actually wants to be there. I and minnesota Donovan mitchell from everything here doesn't want to be there. The calves are winning minnesota is winning, and then I think what to bear does is likely covers up for the mistakes of current eu. Correct me, if you think, I'm wrong. In our view this, like he comes up for them stakes, Coralie anthony towns. It weakens its like our lengthy tents, not a great defender. Ridicule bears amongst the best the sport in the history, the sports of it, equals out there a little bit. They found a nice little way to play off each other, and then you look at cleveland and No? You were big on mobley coming out. I Kevin garnett duncan comparisons and defensively yes, but is he developed offensive?

it all like has aroused mitchell made him better, often so be it on you down into those get they run no place form is actually taken less shops this year per game. Then he did in his room. A year and then various garlands twenty two bill. Ok he's twenty two, he mason all starting His numbers are flying off the chart and you're thinking. There's no way you Can we go but are now you taken a ball out of his hands and you're, given at the dawn of mitchell and his numbers have been started so why you guys that you could build your organization around too. I think are both studs in garlanded, mostly those haven't got any better, maybe they ve gotten slightly worse when they should be developed. I liked the trade when they did it, Nobody has not progressed aware that I'm not gonna take the lost yet because its year, three, these twenty one twenty two and it seems like he was hurt this year. But if he's not gonna shoot he's gotta then he's got be a centre of vision, and I haven't outside shot will comic you put that I'm Mitchell right and getting

involved, and you know the guys taken twenty one shots, a game which I think is the third or fourth most in the league, and I liked Donovan Mitchell, I think, is a good sure, but as he should have taken like two or three more shots than jason two or three more shots think happened around. I love you should be taken pointing when shots again. I agree with the idea: I fundamentally don't I've seen enough the garland mitchell combo to decide that I'd. I've just would rather garland be the guy. That's him our rapporteur mitchell. I know a lesser score and some other pieces so exactly show another shore and some less repeat: do you think they can get now. So danny ainge gets rid of mitchell at the right time because we knew he wanted our rights. You think that koby Altman Allen cleveland can get with danny ainge got for mitchell. Originally even a players- let us now remarked he's not if he treated him, forget the pigs and was a ton of pits and bob. If you just made a straight up trade, do you think that you could get? Why are as good as lowery market?

but we do know our american and was we're not. We didn't even close to being discount dark at that point, that the last sexton in that trade and I think they let them there. thy budgetary apology and all in all the picks other common whether you know look a lot better mitchell ones, darting and then the other. trade is Dante, Murray and I dont understand why nobody bring set up because they gave up a lot for Gente Maria mean they gave up first round picks. I gotta written right here, two thousand twenty three: two thousand twenty five: two thousand twenty seven, a petty slap in two thousand and twenty six scratch like potentially for first round picks and like me: kill. The timber was were starting to get on the calves a little bit. Nobody said anything about it: lands, white least cleveland had a modicum of success. Last year, menace It is plain really well right now, like you, trade all that stuff to team up the jaunty murray with trade tray young. What have they done? They been enough under five hundred team, since they did that that's my biggest disappoint

this year, I did pretty well in the over under so far, but that was one of my overs was like forty forty one, forty two of you I mean I think you lock, I hadn't Neither is my culture the year, and I had that is a lock offered me for the over I think it was forty two and a half I'm wrong. That's not gonna happen. I don't know what this means that surly, but they had by far the worst record against the spread this year going into last night's game or six six and twenty against the spread, and the reason I think matters for mba purposes- is over and over people are waiting for them to play better than than in it just was game. The aims of this would be the game at others it now. We should favour, by three again and people, are betting, both sides of it and just for twenty six games, they would disappear. And when you watch him inside, they can't guard anybody and trade murray, like that, was sent on the part the other day that Egypt since there to cyrus for the

guard. Anybody like yak down the stretcher afraid a tray on, but, like you know, we were texted about direct light as well, and I know this is slightly This may be achieved as a hearty, but that's a winning player. I hear a vision offensively. He can defend anybody's, wanted a better defence of guards and training guard anybody. It's like! Alright, dirt whites are winning place not to give the flash the numbers, the trail I'd almost rather have him in a winning situation. I don't think tray can be involved on a winning team. If he's going to take a million shots, not shoot efficiently, I don't think I've necessarily loved playing with him. He can't get along with head just mood, pierce need MC man who knows with our quick sire doesnt seem to your problem. Yet like there's a lot of issues which we trade young. If he's gonna be your son of peace, that's another piece of paper which puzzle that they traded Derek way in they didn't really get a shitload back. I dont worry about a guy, everybody loves and needs cannot rely. Hang taken, I treated them out there

they. What did they get in return centrally nothin? Maybe two thousand twenty eight like protected. I think normal than old have under attack that the top on protected peck and romeo lang, furred and another first that their use the amber lankford right now, where's the first that they used. I think it was blink wesley ott, like they're, not they're, not doing anything at the n b, a level. So really it's just based off this upcoming tidbits and that's a pick swap that most likely. Who knows it probably doesn't even kicked in, but yet derrick white that trade it was. It was brutal. Now I criticized maybe that a little bit from the celtics respective, so I can't be a hypocrite but, like pomp, is the one watching Derek white all the time he supposed to know how good he is I knew when they got him at a couple of people. I'd trust in the wig, like, oh, my god, you're going to love, derrick white and that's a good sign, and I like like hearing that said of the usual when my team site, like when the red sox would sign of free agent by dodger fan friends back, oh my god, you're gonna hate them

guy line a free agents, lowering of who was wrong headed to dodge or how come I made no chance of getting up there is. It was that it was the all time spoken bears they would ever sonny You asked me where white ranks in the hierarchy for the right now, it's weird because the two most indispensable personal theme or not the poorest people would think The superpowers for the team are way and posing resigned, gets a hundred percent. They can survive, of tatum or brown is out for a game or even a week. They could survive if drew his out, but wait you you just feel. When wider present gas is out when Porzingis didn't play in that golden state game was like. Oh, my god. Here we go and he just sees the superpower. I I was telling somebody was like what What it without was to the warriors in the mid two thousand tents. Wasn't the best part of the team

but when he was out there when he was healthy, the ceiling just went up and it is felt like. Oh my god look at this group that opposing this does for them and wait wait just bad lights out about that's that he re a as a case for best offensive garden, is at least in the running you're an offensive way. It was what I was saying when they, when I read a marcus, was that this I just want the body being white sands more. I think he as a as a ball handler distributor, picket role guy, like you just he's a good shooter, the more the bosnia and the better. They are their big issue right now. Is sending the game stuff, I believe they've lost five gay six games a share and five them all laws in the last two minutes and the three that emerges possessions that if they just taken care of business, they win the game you now and The only thing, that's blonde them out some fires, orlando- that was like fifteen- that game was close six minutes up in the fourth quarter. They haven't got

check it out of them in a game yet, if they get the shit kicked out of him like in the last like minute of close games. They got a drop of play, though, and that's the point I think you're referencing like and I dunno. If you saw, I quote, tweeted you the other day cause you put out. Those two like plays. Which even brown I think the euro go yet without fear, then, don't know those about from this year review of the brain on one and then the tatum one and light no time out from Gmos ruler. I'm watching, and when I quote treated you thing with a was like earlier in the day, did we not watch taylor jenkins in a similar situation? rebound for offer Memphis six seconds left. He calls the time out. He draws up a paper job. What is John John, doesn't take its twenty two contested. Twenty two foot contested three and the tight game he drives should who peter his degree contact. He finishes at the rim. Meanwhile, you got the brown earlier this year, no time out troubles lying on the floor takes a three. You got jaw jason tatum.

I gave what are we shoot? The three four drew holiday hands. The ball often takes the three no time out so yet there that's. The dredging knots and it was the charlotte game tie game. Thirty seconds left, posing as flashes in the paint challenges, shoots a contested free and then the other one was the minnesota game which I put up. There and then there was another one where our against indiana halliburton makes. The four point play comes back down Look out like a minute. Ten laughed and tatum, like I gotta shoe to three and takes the twenty four hour and over again, this team thinks that contested. Three is a good shot would drives me. Nuts is in a tie game. A three pointer is not a good shot, except that it's a thirty two to thirty five percent shot, especially if the other team picks

what teams don't want the celtics to do? I'm gonna tell you right now they don't like when white, isn't a pickerel and has the ball and has a screener who can shoot threes they hate when tatum is, is has his back to the basket huge. I just always study how the defense reacts to this stuff. When tatum has his back to the bass fifteen feet away? The defence panic like they'll send a double I'm right away because he can spain and go to the hoop he can shoot over. It ever defender. They don't want to do what they want to do is take twenty inconsistent, twenty four contested threes and they continue to do it and I dont know what to say any more. Specially with the weight that tatum is put on, which is being big. Doubts of that's what he should be doing is doing spin move. So I'm a hundred percent on border the and the finnish frustrating to me is like- and I love your back and forth with gary washburn. They thought of a couple of times in the boston low, where he said, like a golden state, doesn't have a room protector. Do you think you

We have taken a couple more lapsing, driven to the hoop and mozilla's like no like. I thought we got good looks you you missed forty one three already won't get us seventeen point leave your plane, a team without a ring, projector and you're taken fifty trees. Ah show it. That's the concerning parties, like there being told that's the thing that the It wants to do any said earlier in the year. I guess according the garret, that he wants to average fifty three night, which bill is something like the pistol could use to their advantage, try I'm in their gratitude and outside shop, but it's like if you dont, have talent, take threes. Does that help you stay in repetition, with teams that are better than correct, but the mortality team dont rely on entrees people, so they I said in their desire to other saw the friend friend of mine. I was like, I don't understand why we didn't attack curry it five thousand for an hour. He ashamed and my friend,

like well, they did attack on they. They kind of almost got either offense because they were trying to get him in switches and stuff and I'm like yeah, but they didn't attack him. They were shooting jump, shots they're, getting switches on him, then shooting twenty two footers over. That's not me making him defend you in your driver in the basket its there's an iq thing with this team at the end vienna games? That is the though the biggest I have with them. I just don't. Have the batch travel wise? I think they have the most the nba shots. Selection me I'd you, that's the concerning part from a hundred percent, the coaching peace. I am. I love our orford. I dont, like our votes, should pay more than thirty minutes. and irregular seizing game ever you had to be paid for in that go on state aid, but Joe kept him out. There kept him out their own state every play. Now there

and they just get Horford on curry and what I don't understand- and I don't understand why the celtics don't see this as just go. Small Horford doesn't have to be out there. Coincidentally, center just potato at center, go smaller, bring ye to have more shooting and and I'd be bringin pritchard, I don't care who it is, but horrified was the raw match up for him in any once he lost his legs. I I don't want to be the south advantages complaining about this awesome team, this probably know in sixty games, but I think this seems that reach their potential as crazy as it sounds. Well, I don't like it. I like really get a material is case, but what I will say that confirm me like: let's call him a league average culture, I will say will say that the average ok, then you look at the two teams. The problem you the most as I'm not scared. I'm sorry- and we talked about this last time but walkie. I know they're keeping up record wise another day events, not scared of em. I just kiss defensively the shoe many holes, the two teams that scare me, the most even the lights, killed their off season, some

are, they find high may hawkers. I is miami and end philadelphia. I think those are there to bigger. colonels right now and they got the two of the three best coaches and sports bolsters the best. Now interesting, ty, lue, lower the other two and was is to to match which, with them in those two our legitimate talk, not shed poachers on that day. Concerned about Phil yet, but I do want to see what their trade is cause. I think I think they can Firstly, they have had their number miami terrified of go to the other conference lakers the bronze. I q in the way he'll dissect them, as the series goes along. That's terrifying, yolk and same thing. Your kids will just like use his fucking computer, brain and and just figure out how to get them. and then the minnesota match up is a bad match for them, because both of their wings can go tatum and brown and tatum brown have a tendency of just like ramming their heads against the wall when they can't get what they want. Verses, like

you know, maybe maybe I'm not the match up this game in their size that they have and enforcing for the south eggs. They might see three of those four teams you know they could that are to those, for they could see my amy but damper lakers minnesota in the west, that this would be the three the fore legs candidates. Other then maybe ok, see I'm out on phoenix, don't tell eddie yeah. No, I keep it a secret, well I'll, say bill's out on him, but apparently I don't I'm not out on the mary, I'm I'm in support of phoenix because of though, if I blame it on you he's not going to yell at mercedes, though we is, he still and we good mode as he watches kids, This has been. As willing to criticizes areas. At any point I would now like I so is just like concerned about the ot. Now he still thinks they're going to come around but like he is a little bit concerned about, I think, the ah the offense, because he thought it was going to be. Better and there's no excuse for them to be one

in the middle of the road. Often sixteen. If you're, booker and and coming around, like you gotta, be other than that in the other thing is, I know if you ve looked at their schedule, they played nobody ran, Can you even name a good wind like the two teams? They beat over five hundred, ok, the knicks J. What happened there? Walker needs a tree it. Basically, bosnia when that game and then the other five hundred team they beat was minnesota. We beat minnesota at home on the second of a back to back. They don't have one good win their entire season, while nobody could have predicted bradley beal would miss some games so that sat there, not not nobody yeah you're right. oh wait, everybody you mean, I think you meant everybody, not nobody. I may now you go When you pay for right, you're going to pay fifty billion dollars a year for a guy who plays forty to fifty games a year and that's probably how it's gonna play out, the other thing is the body language doctor is not like what he's seen from them at all. I I don't like anything. I see from them on that front.

Even the ran after the game, the other day finally kind of admitted that he didn't say directly bodies like we gotta get into our often sure, ok. Well, what help Getting to your office should have a blinkered, appoint guard like air, general point that allow it turns out point guards batter the position that has been at the centre of the week since nineteen forty six. Yeah and they they kept saying at the beginning of the year like. Oh, we don't need a true point guard like Devin, bradley or split the time. It'll be fine and you're so far. That is, that has not been the case any time at the. steam says we don't need the thing that has worked in basketball for the entire time. It's existed, yeah I'm suspicious same for the spurs, so he could be appoint guard. Ok, great good that good luck with that yeah. That's a little bit promise like stealth tanking. Well, good luck with that eh because I know he gets. I know he gets super grumpy. You can hear justin with a eddie johnson. Four to seven. serious radio serious exam, what is it the figures?

as he has serious section, a and b a radio, forty seven eastern time I got to deal with Johnson. I got a nice little respite, though cause he's not working the day after christmas. We got no show on friday, so it's four days I don't have to do. That is great- that meatball yeah yeah. and we re the way we don't talk at all, and then you touched on us, and you know what you do is like you. That applies in a group taxed and then we'll start fighting and you'll do sit back. There not respond, and then it's me and him going at each other and then that, like last the entire week, where we're going at each other- and it's like well, you said this development, where you start there's the bell and die. It turns into a mess. When you add a lot of stress to my life, you guys are like, nineteen fifties, irish catholic couple that doesn't doesn't and then, when it explodes it, just explodes for like five days only reason each other. He says he always says like he could be my father and I'm like listen ought. My mother would have no interest in you. So that is not that you could not be my father or just the good, the good to see it begs for stayed up, but thanks bill

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Also, I didn't know where you live and where do you live by the way? First, now it was two hours in twenty minutes ago that I tell you, received before they even for the holidays. You're, like you, you're gonna, shoot. Everyday doing tv arguments about football stuff where we're almost at the end of the year. Instead of Ask you knew who the abbe peers, who has been the vp for full arguing on tv v need like a seven minutes segment and you just need to throw some raw meat toward the cat. morocco is abrupt. Purty braga feels like properties, a winner. What is black party? that is. Why did it? The bright party is probably the answer because of the gulf of opinions you can have. You can say,

in and I will listen to nick right. For example, big rock purty is not that good and will push back on his back. Oh yeah. Then, why? Don't you give him fifty million dollars a year as well that the actually a cogent announced that the great, Point and then today we are jerry right day. You'll brought pre remind me up, No man Hannah I took and both are are real annabelle pick that I back the way left and right between. So I would say that he's the one maybe in the runner up any heavy topic envy period, is going to be the dallas cowboys owen three honor where there are only three on the road again seen over five hundred forgery? I only get my stateroom I three on the road against teams over by? Where are the cowboys actually good? So it's like a cousin of his brock, pretty good, I act and they act We gotta get beaten up on tomato again, so those are the two m BP coming

would the brunt of the topic and be more personally for me like when the patient, going for that kind of like run out of steam. He did not. For me, I don't care. What do you know what don't you feel like nationally. I mean, maybe it's different for you, but how'd, you like how the burden do not make you know a guy. We should probably shouldn't do the patriot anymore. I not the broad metal it what's wrong with the chief what's wrong with the cheap and neck is like? we're fired up, saying, there's nothing wrong with the chiefs, because the defense is so good, like I get the defenses so good, for you guys used to have the best pizza place in the entire country and now you're trying to sell me on how good the garlic knots are like the pizza has taken a step back like don't tell me how good the defensive at the same time,

I think the chiefs are going to win the superbowl. So that's alright, although the top three mvp get his property back and are the chiefs dropping too many balls which they are Well after you laid that out to me that even emboldened parties campaign is that the best thing him and the best thing about any sport stop a guy. That is that somebody can go in any direction and they're not wrong. That's usually when you have the perfect sports topic right because, as you said, I think we have seen One reason the ringer who's just he does qb rankings every week, and I love it. It's this rare two thousand, twenty three, where the where the person's like I'm not wavering from this. I don't think they're that good, I don't care stats? Are I don't care what he did last week, I'm going to be right in the end a little like how I feel about a heart in the coopers actually bowl, but with purdy. On the flip side, people can't even figure out what comparison is cause. I've heard I've heard the Joe Montana thing people push that up, but then there's like a there's, a,

Drew breeze with better legs thing. I've seen boy bat like it's like a jew, breezes, more athletic and then the other piece. I like his at any time or border or a t, person needs a story or three minutes they can just go to any niner and ask them why brought party is so underrated. And there are labour there to give these cogent monologue, about how people understand outbreak proteus, it just keeps going you you can go, For the forty nine to be hey, you know what to say brought worry, thought and like. Why has it that's like yours? people don't realize, and then, where are we hey brock, who leaving the envy beard and rapid, the thing you know what I am focus on: the raven, the christian, probably the mvp. So then we have to spend this one as well What leadership hollywood? The envy? You say that his partners anyway, so it also sweet montana

He's Tom Brady as well obviously lay draft back. You know all about. You know a little bit of the system maybe revolving ah he'd, also tour. The bright bird came in and took to a narrative That too is trying to reclaim Y all I'm only good, because a bit might make gales system which is actually a branch off an end to them. When Tiree gave the christian mccaffrey like legendary offers of weapons, so you don't know a little bit it to us, and then this one too, that popped up too, because maybe just on my algorithm cause, I just get knocked your training all the time like. Ah, if you put mac jones and the niners often do they have the same? Are they better now it's all like, oh man and like if you like brock, so much would you why? Don't you trade mac, it's more like straight up and give him fifty million give him, like a long term adventure if they don't like backward theirs,

there's a good and rubber lawrence piece of bad things like if you put tremor like you flip trevor lawrence abroad, purty what happens from what we ve seen from trevor lawrence from last four years, who's been whose had flashes and then he's been sloppy with the ball and he can go that route. There's two other good pieces on the bone and the bradford about now that you're. Talking about this, I thought one is that he's been so good this year. You can now go backwards. And do the whole of property didn't get hurt. The niners would won the superbowl last year by that there's! No! It argue about it because it's you now, you just said: that aim of net of not knowing what they answer is so you can just say at blind. And then the other one, which I actually think is a good argument. As the draft is stupid, why do we care so much about it where you can get you just that, just having trey lance who they trade up for at number three and then they get the

what about the future of the last picking the draft in its like a is this just a fucking, crapshoot Y know. That's why I don't care about the patriot thanking games like Imagine tremor lawrence, japan, peel freelance, that weapon hairs. Are we a hundred percent? I get travelers were a hundred percent positively good. I was ninety five percent. I don't know what is good is again. It is the ever gonna be like a top seven quarterback in the week, like I don't know no positive, I don't know- maybe I'd, say it's more like within unlikely, but I still feel like. We have some questions with him, yet not generational, but the fact that that draft, when survival rate, but calibre too for his conrad I've got a lot of time. You know I'm a draft boards watching startling up.

Or maybe mac jones will be good, maybe mack Jones will move to them and be excellent and you guys can begin. It does feel that gets us. It feels like it's forty percent. Now it used to be fifty percent with a quarterback peck. It's like! Oh it's a coin flip. I don't even know if it's a coin flip anymore as forty percent. It feels like thirty five to forty percent. You look at the jets. I was talking to a jets fan because I was saying how I wanted the pats to get the first pick yup and the jets fan pointed out to me that they had the number two pick I think three years apart and they went over to with sam darnold and exact wilson, and they were like we did that both of those years were they, we gotta get the worst pick possible. It's it's a loaded, quarterback draft and then you're still at thirty five percent. Eight, I think, for me the difference is it's. The best asset like forget,

at the quarterback part just getting the number one pick. I can do that's an asset. I can trade back. I can pick up more picks like a it's just better to have that pick versus like I know, there's not andrew luck this year. You know, but I wonder whether the asset, I think. Caleb Williams should be better than andrew luck. I hope you're right, but it that's another thing that the Caleb Williams, I think is we talked about the the father conversation father he's been good one for some people. They do that. I don't like what I've heard about him. There's been: relax. It's! I guess there seems a theme seems to be seen. bathing and right may I got I gotta start granted more drake may date, but if you're telling me drink, maybe I am I'm gonna go with it. The other weird thing about quarterback boy? I wonder he go back looking

gone this year as in a coal quarterback, quarterback league right in You say that known everyone, not there like of course. To be a running back. We again, you know one when you grow up now. The quarterback league, like really because gardener menchu, whom no one believed then is gonna bring the culture the lay off because of cheap taken and often Joe lacquer with good jake. Rounding is good job, so we have these back a quarter back. There also excellent is it system is wide receiver, but maybe we were over valuing paying quarterbacks. No, a quarter your salary gap. When jake browning come in there and put up some, I popping numbers it. You got your margie

that his numbers are not as one or white one of my picks but jake browning is there at it. When Joe burrow was cooking, he was there was one in twenty five and a half point game now. Jake browning when twenty six point again passer rating job? Well, did you like Joe burrow back one of thick white by and by I think that one o nine point three so is just browning just great all of a sudden or is browning part of the system. I'm not I dunno, where guys will find out this week at the only thing browning- and I don't know if there's a way to make sense of any of this, but he did have like a lot of. He had a big high school, like you, I really good, and why in one games and has gone, was considered that a blue chip guy and then he went to wash in and he was like sophomore year is in the has been running and then he got hurt. He was never really the same after got her, but he started like over fifty games.

For them in one of the things I have heard, people try to make the case like if you're trying to figure out how to get sleepers from gb the guys who played a lotta games and they have leg. You know they get. This is basically the time it should biscuit. Coroner they debating with your bisque, who is he complain of games. He ain't gonna get my experience. I started one year. Something would trail adds further guy, out there in the football so fast they can't kind of process it. It makes sense me. Even after watching my son got your high school football there's so much going. I might give you don't fear court back in your head that reservoir of just all of these games that you've been in and all these different defenses that have been thrown at you versus like. If you you know, Jake browning, I think he had like. I think it was like fifty five college games. Some crazy number was like alright. That makes any any confident. As the other thing you need to be confident. I I also feel like you gotta be handsome. Most

at the time that everytime most of the time the quarterback's gotta be gotta, be somebody you might be afraid, would still your girlfriend at some point. It's gotta be the guy grabs. The carcase has got to have some sort of charisma Yes, but browsing like he has allowed me to walk through that touched out and you drew our congeal. There were like fired up. Unlike all you guys, I've got a lot of wag and that's that Is that why you drove down the field on the eagles, like you drew lock with like felt like he was the guy and his whole emotional press conference. Afterward was really beautiful, with the colonel, you know for a while. I thought I wanted. The guy turned I'm the guy, like you are good for you, on the sidelines in your broccoli uniform like you're, the guy like that, there's no just pressure run in the offence in performing in front of sixty five thousand people was tv, but the bigger picture,

sure. Now I think, even more than the games is your posts game lockerbie speech after the wind because they put that stuff on instagram. It's my favorite cuts every week when they either the coach gives the speech or the queue b and there's a camera right there on them and their sixty guys who just played a game. In their all standing around and all of they have to be both gibson and brave heart. Falada pressure, you think if they come through to be emotional and inspirational, and you got a single people on and my home. There is great added as as kindly utterly nerdy as he is. He gives great speeches what it wanted. Jailing heard say he said ah rain, If leaders know the eagles are ready to go I'd like yeah. Let's go your your deepest, not that good and you've got a boy. Nate are funny, but do that still that work? Would you simply carry on with a ready about the idle click on a guide? I thought I'd like

a girl fired about can be a no quick for me can I give you the cliff notes on it? I can. I can imagine that letting quick but go ahead. He did this thing where first phase of fired up his eg. Do they win the game in the first quarter Team does know, do wedding requires like no, and I guess I do of course, they go yeah nigga when needs extorted, jumping at local and respond like that are used to pry, more coaches and quarterback, and having taken a bela checking in a pro job. I can only take out at this press conference. I'm not gonna. Give you anything deal with it. Belichick takes a lot of shit for and then once a year. He goes on t v and everybody goes. He did it again at the army navy this year he went on Everyone that's their while he's great he could ever future. This is like yeah. This is the

intentionally not give you anything, this press conferences, but he's good at tv, but then everybody forgets for eleven and a half months and then they remember is that the army knave again, but I would They get the way to go no value like did go up there. I too, who is here today? Ok, about the narrative around him and tie rican how he doesn't pay tension, but he also keeps receipt. it's very honest and transparent in interesting in good part of her talk shows because it had an element of him talking to friends. But if I was his publisher, I would say to him: we're out here: cooking in jets. Go out up there and Bella jacket like to be honest with you. One hundred per cent focused

on the cowboy deeper they drew up. A lot of people are saying: you're, no good without fiery kill, and it's right there on the tipp of his palm. He could say why complete anything presented, my bad luck. I recall that we need to think again. I'm really, I am concerned about diary gale more concerned about Michael parsons, the, and this really well then on the cowboy thank you guys were commoner. I'm gonna go back and grant them cowboys he'll be mad at that I'm not everybody can do about it. Belgium, the only coach, you and me, but there's a player that should do it. I'm javelins close jones, pretty close, I think, jailing we need that, I think is intentionally boring german hurts. I think, he's way more fun and I think he's probably the closest to boucek. Yet when he and and when he does, the commitment thing last week that he's been kind of coach speak the entire time, and that was the first one. He kind of popped to send a message to like, and I think that resonate,

but I think more people die budget. My favorite is when the person is obvious and happy, but so as to give a quote like MIKE tomlins talking about george pickens this week it's like yeah, you know, George is going to play and I you know he's going to and he just has to talk. It is kind of vague things. When you can tell he's like this motherfucker, I can't wait wait to trade on some decision taken the driver patriots what's up we'll take a break and we got em. We got a lot of pigs to do, including on I have something off of what we're talking about. In the run up against. So I'm trying to figure out the million dollar packs, I'm going to put them at the end of this podcast, but reading through some games. One game that ties into what we're just talking about with press conferences and giving away too much or too little ravens niners, which it's

line starts of foreign half people immediately bet it up to five and a half and now- and we have to do the twenty four cycle. The raven should be insulted by this layer, debt. It they're just as well that this is what I'm getting too. So they asked the mute the battle after the game? they do thou. Yet we saw the line where nobody believed the rest, but the people in the soccer him now were fast forward into before the guy the people are doing we're like we're, deftly, insulted Yeah way. They said, how about a day they are legit. Were you aware that you guys are big. Underdogs in this game is oh yeah. I made the team where, if you can't do that, nobody believes in us before the game you ve got away. You just gotta like bite it up and I think they screwed up, but I think its attacks by mistake I think Lamar said he liked being under which everybody tat like dac that he said it before the buffalo game. They went up to buffalo, they got blown out

and after the game we got, you know. Usually I like it. We need to embrace being underdog more. I gotta do enjoy Lamar's here is an underdog eight in four against read a women and one eighteen touchdowns for interception. So he thought it meant it. That's why I'm I'm all about ravens even straight forward over the whole hands. In order to outcome. I write up started up. That's ridiculous bill. Here's the thing So I will. Obviously we have our esteemed researcher Josh and as a starting point believing in algeria and brought the whole, the lawyer enjoy and what I saw they are going to be healthy. That's actually not true. I didn't think they're going to be good. I thought they're going to hurt once is there going to be out there, but no I'll start believing them for Josh gave me a thousand statistics and there's a certain point where I have to say: oh

Ravens gonna win the game, so Lamar against the annex xvii. If he was held in one I'd like while that's pretty good twelve in one fourteen one, Anyone who nineteen one against the energy with the very that like if you don't get a chance to play and that often what you see on film dozen translate to like- on the ground night mean and one against the other debates about it, just while its wild then he's got an underdog and, like all, what's the big swallowed, the raven they they blow away, which means they've been in every single game and probably could be undefeated colts mega hits for fifty yard field goals. Okay, steelers a picket throws a bomb one, seventeen left, they had that game and then the browns, who have a great defense, scored thirty one points on them and they lost on a last second field goal like oh and then we just watched,

Lamar and you watch brock when, if you have two good defenses who's there who's more likely to be able to just go off script. I get the great defense like. Oh you know what I couldn't have planned. For that is a property. I didn't see that coming cleanup. How could how are we supposed to top that rock purdy doing heck? No, the stop that how could that Lamar's, when it all breakdown the marking of young? I do that. and you got to know and support straight up straight up- feels like a bit counter go. Can you name the three best ravens wins this year? The three best wins. Can I count the rams win. Sure I just liked it because it was a quote. Gaming went rolling genes. in the long run out I like Now the lions lines, thirty eight six argued

if the rams win, because that was a really good game- thirty seven and then it was like rainy and murphy, and that was also the first time he thought the rams were great aura that great they were britain is probably that the third one was at cleveland twenty eight three week for, but I am not positive the sharp, aid now dorian thompson robinson put see. My point is that it could be It was the op and, if you're, putting up twenty eight on that brown up and see me on the brown defense. That's what's interesting, not the three but they're, also good. where's the forty diners they murdered this dealers and weak one. Yeah. They never boys by thirty two yeah, they murdered the seahawks. they murdered the is they. Well, the revenge on the they announced. They wanted revenge, black purty injury, that they deserve to go the terrible and then

at European did it yeah and anna errant shot said davy away through fourteen games, the two thousand twenty three diners third: ever since they ve been tracking dv way, since nineteen eighty number one was the O. Seven pats dear, our hearts, number two was the ninety one washed and redskins. They won the superbowl number four with the sugar go, bears and nights and eighty five one of the most famous thinking over the gains, a pretty good list and my analysis is if you think the matter is: gonna win the superbowl. You have to take them in this game because, this is a. We are the best thing we're how they were. The most weapons were the best on both sides of the bar and the supply of game, and they don't want to prove its on christmas night super important. It's it's a statement game and I think this theme,

great. I really, I think, when their healthy and that other guys did their great. I don't need the ravens are great, even though jaguars game last week, you know the play game was the mar duc the sack and then just shut up for grabs and the tight and caught about two guys on him. They lawyer, they less, so who had thought? Was there only running back, who had a little little juice sooner? I gonna be just like a lotta gus edwards and like Melvin gordon my plan, this game. No longer So I don't know I'd like the ravens I'd probably said there. The second best him, but have you got disagree, that disagreements are healthy. It before nice when this game, then I think you have to have them winning the tube well, I do pick denied I was. I could then then it's kind of like the more interesting I also root for storylines, obviously bobby think content. They hedge, my pick, so I can get a good storyline of yeah um, but if the, if the right,

since, when great and better storyline on other niners, you know feasible if a night when who's beating them the chiefs. They they gotta. Just you gotta jet, rely on like muhammad magic that the about going to be there only they're, all your only fear and injuries, which is super boring, but you could also see them popping up. We could also do the the come back bills. If if they have another good next couple weeks, I mean your islands there offensives. That's got pretty good. You d like to know why I think Mcdermott sixteen in true in december or something insane When did you start slow and then they got to figure out who they actually are and then can heat up Can I give you one more niners ravens target diego. We can both be right at the same time, the mark and cover the ravens can lose by three or

for then the niners money line was still here, which is why I think I've got in this game. I think it's slightly too many points, because everyone is so in on the niners. If you look at the stats like amidst the de view, is that. The ravens are, like twelve thought time the view I oh yeah Do you remember that either there lie word. I imagine that you I bet I mean that that the ravens statistically have been really good. So you know. Could this be a three point game four point game, a couple other ones, my favorite pic of this week that I'm trying to figure out what to do with the those are playing the chargers, their minus twelve and a half on the road that it's in l a cinema, a point well, but here's here's what we could do a bet that has hit for us a bunch of times. A million to our picks is the first half game bet where you bet the team to win the first half and the game

as a parlay. They have to do both their say with the ran to suit the niners, who had some success with it. That together is minus two. Ninety which now can be put. With another money, land game like somebody in the minus forty minus six range and I don't see a world where the It are lady at half time in this game with eastern stick. who is the coach, I'm normally a new coach theory guy, but I think this charges team is like wishes, get us to be getting. Let's get thou at air when new coach, new coach belts, now, the new college. I don't know about the history of new coach, new quarterback bounce off have they each of your courage, bats work as eastern stack is the quarterback and you ve just lost by forty two to the readers? I don't think so. I asked if like this, can be home game for buffalo. This is like christmas vacation trip for the bills, fans so about the bills fans anyway, I think there's gonna be like all bills fence what chargers fan it's a high.

a weekend. There are no charges fans anyway, whose, like hey wanna, go, see the chargers, get killed by bills, but your ample time. It's in jersey on you're not worried about the bills feeling like they actually did something. Last week I know a back like let down game across the country. No, because I give you my barely There are ninety say right now they have the win. Here's the stairs looking at. So how could the both be the seventh seed after this weekend? Cleveland beats Houston, which is one of my packs, will get to that, but the buffalo beats away. The pittsburgh would have to be sent If we can litigate that in a second and it doesn't matter what happens in Indiana indianapolis game, that can be nine and six eight and seven, but I have them beating atlanta and then

denver new england. Whatever happens that member would be eighty seven anyway, so you have a scenario after this week onwards, cleave instead of five, we need apis dine and six buffaloes than in six, neither the seven seas. now we get to one of the most fun parts of the football season when people are ducking the two seed because they want to slip to the three seed or the four seed, because they don't want to play. The seven said I always enjoy that, but I just feel like buffalo is going to come out of this weekend as the seventh. It's somehow, I you think they're gonna win. I don't like to You gonna bring the number down to the oh, just money, like just for first hand, gave the logistic led by one point at half time when the game, I don't care the number, data curly, then that's all it better, safe back! That's totally find their message. A bunch him offensive lamb in the chargers, harbour bowser make lambs when they're dead,

Some members are business on the buffalo numbers, rather first and first dance, their first and third down there. Fifty yards per play, like they ve, actually put together James cook. It's been like the revelation of the second half of this, season so yup. I also don't know the new coach of the chargers. I forgot his name and get get smith. Yeah gifts met, and I also don't know if you're gift smithy just watched at cowboys game like hey guys, you go into the corner: hey. Are we prepared for georgia to have seven completion than lose the game like ah like yeah

so stop figuring that out what happens when they run the ball for two hundred and sixty six yards and Josh Allen. Just wants to throw the ball five time like a plan, the patriots in a typhoon like, I think, they'll win, but it's it's an odd game. New coach bounce doesn't happen there, so I had the steelers initially. Then I took them off because I think this is irresponsible to bet on steelers bengals, no jabbar chase for the bangles pick it for pittsburgh. I looked mason rudolf stats. My bed there were less. one thing that I remembered he had one bad game and garrett him with the how many through for pigs that game but other that was pretty good. I was surprised I I you either jake browning, so here a browning during his three game, wintry. First completion percentage purse. First, passing yards per game at three twenty hours per second in yards per pass

pass rating tied for third, with thirty two points, a game. Do you think this guy is that good, or is he going to have to come back to earth with no jamar chase and with all this tumult around the steelers and george pickens, not blocking yeah the steelers? Still the steelers like, I actually think that will galvanize them like guys, come on division game like let's go so I've got. I've got to think that steelers win this one. so you like the steelers, because I do too yet I like that, but I liked the steelers a lot can be a couple more couple. More can I yeah? Can I give you an edit for your hedge yeah. It distillers lose this one like man, What's going on with Tom under lorry a lot like the harmless like bubbling up what our time. Maybe maybe you need a change of scenery. All you know I'll, be there

interesting read bill belichick may bill belichick go somewhere and maybe robert kraft would call into my calmer hey. You know what you're used to plan for great winning franchises. Why don't you come over here patriots way in a way colliding? Oh, my goodness, gracious trade lanes in there. I don't think he wants to go to pittsburgh. But but crass canoe. We should do anything in the world for my palm won over ten jobs in my god bless them but they have this predicament proven track record. Look at us look. There will rowdy designed think it so hardly heard every year they get excited about some play, but some play collar. Oh incredible junior gave we will rally I wonder about the coordinator, I would you dined the weirdest way able No, we be any good. I bye to kendall. Look at that

without their Denham guy. It's not like football way it. How do you expect to get in then you'll have to drop one crazy, one like and then the oldest play you could find, but all this why would he found one in the library of congress? under our letter, helmet feedback in its way. Andy read out that went up reminders. Steelers beat them sixteen. The ten a month ago pick it was planned, but twenty two first at the time four hundred and twenty one yards to two twenty two had the ball for thirty seven minutes. They also have not lost four. In a row since two thousand and thirteen like that and they're getting points. They are plus two and a half in this game at home, like it near here, if the bengals, when Jake round, the guy jaguar.

I shouldn't be on the bengals next year. Jake browning should make some phone calls. Can I say something that try not to have a stroke here we go He reminds me a little one brady Not me, I'm radio, not tom, Brady, the totality Tom Brady, but Oh one ready when o amber It came in in there as well. Who is this guy right? There's a lot of stuff. Well, that's pretty accurate man. He doesn't really make mistakes or teammates really like him and he just kind of, kept game, managing and be inaccurate and just megan chickens out at a chicken shit for four months, and then they won the superbowl, in it but it, but we already have a number one franchise. Quarterback he's a number one pig, They would you burn. We get paid him. The most amount of money in the leg is: should we do

another thing? Is gonna be ready, but the things I like about him he's accurate he's good at legs, sleight of hand. The play action stuff, like you just teaches, runs a good game and his team, it's like I'm biggest solid, but no change You know there's a good property when someone like you know what you run a little bit about thirty as a compliment bernie yet to be compared to both parties. Next jabbered stardom, though my birthright, courteous that's after he wednesday. Three super next, whatever they like. I love the browns in houston this week the line has moved up, but it said and minus two and a half right now and does look like they're going to have c j stroud. Their receivers are bang Thank those out for the year nikko Collins is hurt, probably not plans there sit down one receiver there that they're just banged up all over the place geyser play in her potentially will Anderson laramie tonsil way. Cashman,

and in general I don't think they're that good. Do you believe in your photo? I do here little banged up, but I do think I just think their defence will win this by itself. We ve seen the texans against the wrong defences, really struggle to move the ball and see J was poland, some shit out and because he's him, but ah he's that can be in this game. It's can be case keenum, and I do not like that matchup. For for the texans, I buy the one hundred percent okay next one. I really like colts falcons, colts plus two and a half in atlanta, the fact is did something that I can't member really happening that often other than in the eighties, when it happened, where more often where they had the started, quarterback the bench, the guide for the backup, then after three games they brought the starter back, but now the bench them again. We fed three benches: this year, the quarterback better. You know what we took a longer look.

Tyrod taylor heineken. Maybe Is pretty good like I don't know if you could do that after you ve already bench the guy, I thought he was good. I don't we go with washington, remember: the washington players were like now he's a guy the engine. water back and then but then he gets judge wasn't good. Do you like the falcon them again I like the courts, the falcons similar twin, it can t be away. They just have a stink to them down. It feels like this is gonna. Be advisers at, like the thunder, didn't really back on and melt their skill players have been pretty disappointing, considering they have three top ten picks at the all the important positions- and I just but they do have it so that was the one I was looking at box minus two and a half opened jack's. Probably without travel allowance was the other one yeah picture it's time to start believing in baker. Again, it's like the river.

and your bike be o k. Quarterback that you want wanted to believe in our own language. or maybe he was getting got hurt. That's true. He played your injury plate. Hydrogen. It should last the conference, then yeah that and the the team candidates seemed like they totally believed in him, for whatever reason, but other fans loved them, and I dunno it's a it's. A believable come back to me. Had the pedigrees the first pick in the draft, you know so under en route. In this game, the I I g it's more of a bet against the jags. I just don't like what I see with them and at their wide receiver, crew has been decimated and they don't really seem like they seem like you can push them around. They shoot themselves in the foot at the worst possible times, their sixth sense, the south american soil and prices

I'd like to be able to do so thats what I was looking at the last six weeks, total yards, the deeper lamar to fifty eight black or three ten browning, three, seventy six, he jaded three. Fifty one will lavish one sixty to torture and party Ninety pixley touch up right. They've got two interceptions on one hundred and eighty five pass. Attempts from a researcher Josh that juventus no good it's so going to be another great day for the bait, show the light em up, be like makers back, but you know franchise quarterback it could be that this could be like the end of the hadith campaign need to look for a quarterback, but now you got baker. You were just trying to clear cap space. This year, baker brought you to the playoffs you're gonna have a home playoff game, because your guy he stumbled into another one pig he likes it. People like him works. I follow a couple injury and if our injury, twitter accounts too

to figure out what going on at some stuff bookmarks bought a buzz about the buck, spain, healthy, said, they've all year. Really like? Finally, like feel like a little bit, how began and plus godwin got gone again, which I was so like the bugs there's two more and then will go there related to each other, since the path can get the number impact. This is the weak for the panthers their home. its green bay, their foreign happen under dogs green bay as the twenty nine defensive db away, their pretty bad up on that and there are also like their receivers, watson's back into play, as does the like eight and red, who was doing some really good stuff for emma, was a fantasy pick up midseason. He is a bad for looks like he's out so now, now we moved into the roma Dobbs and a bunch of guys you never heard of receiver piece of it and then the defence did Joe bury like that. Fuckin tailspin he's

and then carolina. Could they just run the ball and play an ugly game and were embracing makes to place? I could be in this in the fourth quarter- I'm feeling like maybe your head of your heart right now. Well, that's what that's why I'm talking to through, because There's a panthers money line, broncos money lied, bet the panthers game is before the pats game, so the paths could go into their game and know that the panthers of just one and that's when craft. I think he goes down in the locker music yo but not joined him. Can you platoon backyard, the happy every fire, mac or mac air? That thing out back, get ready, on both gas mac whirr mile. I believe that thing this is in play, though.

panthers, possibly winning and then the pats just having to take care of business and not beat the broncos, but I am scared of this broncos game. I think they could beat the broncos. I do I don't know, but I also thought like I'm like do you know. I went to the game last week and I mean I know it. it's been away game, so I get they like there mood of the stadium will travel and affect the mood of the players, but there were just a lack of energy in the stadium yeah Which was just I'm not, I don't know why I would like the prize and during the pre silly I am the laughed again games I went to were

waiting game back the bucks, patriots and then mahomes, patriot gs, and I was telling my kids. I was like you know, a lot energy that game I'll, be honest with you guys and when Tom Brady was back, but it just felt like a team that had kind of I dunno it just didn't, feel we just didn't feel we felt like who we are to be onto the person well the post soviet. We felt like a team that won three games, so I could see us in and broncos are fighting to survive, though I we're gonna lose figure. There is some break off answer bad history, the pats against the broncos when. pats, but that the non brady history against the broncos is that great I remember going to a game with that. My buddy javed in the mid nineties, broncos at pats and we sat down and on the first drive the guy sitting directly behind the

did one of those I animal has pukes where each is puked, so much that it started a trip, down to where are they were by the second quarter, and I dont think I am and more, but that the pats got murdered. We had puke just at dried, puke water at our feet and it was like when I think at the pats, pre Brady, it's the moments site, that is to say laying it somebody else's puke watching your tea blues by thirty, Not gray, I would change changed at least you know we couldn't we sell out. I think we ended up watching a lot of the game from that, like the concourse, we're like we are with you, go back to the puke. I gotta go all the way to go uh sure I'm at once. I get to the bottom. When I get off at the inn on still waiting for some like belgic magic, again john pain, but you know that and part when, like Andy red mercifully didn't scorn

I'll drive? They got belgic aussee, idolize gray. I waited disagreeing. I think that was that was a little passiveaggressive move. Oh yeah, that was a oh man. I feel so bad for you, I'm not! I'm going to give you the ball back, that it was really a fuck you I take it personally. You are a hundred per cent right and I didn't do that. I like a nice gesture and I felt bad, but it was actually a ticket to you your eyes. Way I m in high school we spoke monopoly and our friends got for me now. You get this big ladys are laughing and he would offer people hundred hours or other dies for them, because if not, and he really got by god. I gotta take it it's a hundred hours, but it was passiveaggressive head. It was bid and I think that's what it repeat- wisdom that issues is one hundred dollars the days when it so insulting You better not have. Now I did out yelled arabic aren't. You were put in a good

so I think pads brok, as is the complete stay away, because it all depends on what happens that panthers packers game pursue knows said that they can actually be the brok some standing for both. But I wanted to talk out whether there is parlor potential are so if you had to put bills plus bills. First tat, buffalo, game minus two. Ninety with anyone- on the board as parlay. Who would you do who's your favorite bet in the body, but what oh, no, no cleveland cleveland a catholic would want to quit. Was the queen online cleveland's minus two and a half years without gd yeah that that's easy wacko nosey j yeah defences, while that data is banned as big everyone knows is fantastic, but it's like historically great yeah

it's still underrated. A new green dolphins. Cowboys stairway that you're going back a go anyway. That mechanism that could go, who knows I get I like mcdaniel finding them wrinkle in there, just like John Mcdermott dead, back up its what looking around the corner- Well, go the other way. You have four minutes to do. One half baked idea before we're. Ok, your best one. Sure what do you want? Can little ones are you do You wanna get ire before managed rapid buyer. Here we go. You tell me, stop gingerbread three. Fifty five like gingerbread, I feel like it underrated. Maybe it have a chance if you just give it a chance, not awful big guy. olive oil wrapping paper, my dad used to wrap thing than aluminum. Well, my mommy

I bought them in all our presidents at a certain metallic look until you try it once you're like wow it just kind of clings to whatever shape it, takes it's very easy and recyclable. Everyone should do it, you shouldn't be made, bought for doing it and we all know that went on it. Ok, that's really instincts, you're, saying you throw away the aesthetics of oh look, my holiday season, wrapping paper under the tree, you just by by a jew, They have aluminum followed target any just rapidly. Road under their put, maybe a couple but put boughs, and there are not even bows, but yet you are my dad with great at making both very strange quality. A contractor. What are you can just like make a great bow. he would have aluminum aluminum while any cheap, present you'll like it much you get in a book or a pair of shoes. You certainly present start to get kind of tricky to wrap. Oh

you don't seem aluminum. Well, what do you got there? A strange looking back in the shape of a bird bang done a woman will and fast. it. It's eco, friendly that'll, maybe aluminum well, Reynolds rap can have like there was some christmas tree down there. You got silver. Well, you know, put some red and green on. There will be good aluminum, foil wrapping paper and I get a that's a strong one, but at christmas movie of it, It was just the offshoot of hard the whole argument which I'm not going to have that equaliser for at christmas, just saying just put it out there once fuqua and and the equalizer for christmas dinner christmas, there you go. Unreported christmas will be like yes, I do apply within them. All that is the bad guy I can. I can. I worked out that one with you for a second year ago, Denzil taylor

as you know, his run he's now a santa in a mall love it. The law poster the poster is denzel with a in a santa outfit, with two kids sitting on his lap, but is also holding a machine gun. And I mean the poster- needs work I think that'd be. But I understand now it's like it's. It's he's the santa, but he's also going to have to go to work because terrorists are about to take over the small dunno. If we've had a terrace mall, movie at whether we danced around it burn up. We ve had it not been gained. Always going somewhere exotic it by adding a big part of the deal for him to make. Maybe he's I mean, maybe tomorrow at a very early tomorrow inside it

or italy. He's gotta go somewhere beautiful period, digitally that'd, be quite january, then he went to. He went to russia after the probably cold for santa Barcelona yeah that's night. Alright, I keep gonna, give me more cards. Probably getting too many of them right now so to any two ideas: your christmas cards. I want the cards began to many either we divide up by your birth year. You know been denied whatever you then you know happier card gotta July, so we get to you, get to bite the bullet card apple and then the post office. This is Why time anyone getting mail like when I get mail christmas cards, the only reason why, where I'm sitting, I sent you a card, you know open up, tactile, happy holiday. The big barrier to entry is stamps stamp free

gimme a stamp reprieve for the for christmas cards or maybe July card, anything you want to write, drawing a box it'll get there? I get letter writing back. I don't want my like little time hank than a typewriter typing. I'm gonna bring back letters, opening letters, I'm kind of getting old, more tactile letter writing. Flip outlet idea, well the maids limit flippity with There are social media ruin Howdy carts, because most people, I'm getting holiday card from our I'm, probably following on instagram or somewheres I've already part of the holiday. hard thing is I've been thinking our family, an air of there. They are but because I follow you uninstall instagram, so now

I like so, maybe maybe it should just be their digital pictures or a special holiday instagram account of all the people. You're friends with that it just goes on some special, almost like spotify wrapped. It's I care. We now have your two thousand twenty three holiday friends and they just get emails with that. I like it. I like the idea of opening, you at all until July worth cards. Can I tell you that I think it's a good idea. I think about quarterly something where ye ye split people into the groups, not bad flicka, that not nothing or at last one. There was a point where frank sinatra. Banana a tuxedo and was about to walk on stage at the sand, I looked in the mirror and said I look great. In fact, I look so great. I should wear a tuxedo most of the time, if not every day, and that's why he looks

looks great all the time they are just random, went back frank sinatra than an idea fictional. My dog, for a walk, went through the neighbourhood, but there's no. The argument that the neighbourhood look better in two months: the whitefoot fantastic lights, the moon is to decide at the nation. We are a nation of white were beautiful, there's, no, it can't sell. We let it doesn't like. Maybe we'll get tired of it will cross that bridge. When we get there, he delights never take them down, not great for light pollution. I get it alpha need someone on that, but light street the nearby trees, indoor tree back. goes down just christmas trees. Year round now many bristles yeah, but lights are in an even with the electricity.

You know what I yeah. We gotta, though that puts them engineers on that, but it's just so beautiful. I think it's worth it. Those are half baked ideas for the close of twenty twenty three kevin wildes happy holidays. Great to see you, as always, Like you were going to your guard, we're support ban if assented. I get on youtube and youtube t v, where it's easier than ever to father rest of the playoffs and right now you can get the midseason price. starting at thirty nine hours for the rest of the twenty three season when bundle the youtube tb subscription. This is the most important stretching the seas travel during the holidays, not form part of a drag du bon lines. Fight too, is babies. family gatherings, you don't totally want to ban, you might be missing something. Exciting match up to the nfl season. Here's the great thing about about you, two tv you're on your phone, you can just he could be with their family. They won't even know they,

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Here's what you gotta! Do you gotta sign up at youtube: dot com, slash, bs, those my initials youtube dot com, such bs, lowest price on youtube tv with base plan, rested twenty twenty three season terms. Embargoes apply no cancellations million dollar picks week. Sixteen holiday edition love the Addis Hopu. Have less million dollar picks come down your chimney? We lost some last week. It's fine we're still Last one point: zero. Three: six million last week still up one point: five: nine zero million for the year. Some bad luck last week had the add the seahawks campaign. But some out and get the over had the bear. as they let our game all son. It's a push we'll come back this week. We mention some of these beds with wild so we're going to rip through them right now. First, one buffalo wins the first half buffalo wins the game. That is a parlay that you can have when they play the charges. This weekend, it is minus two

andy on fender and we're gonna parlay, that, with the niners money line, the niners minus five scares me little bit, but as we discuss the wilds anytime, you talk about nobody believes you knew before the game amount. You gotta wait till after the game for that stuff ravens. I think the niners healthy are the best team in the league. I think they are appear. Everybody else is here our the patriots are way down where my feet are. Ah that parlay, together minus one of four, were put three hundred thousand on that buffalo first have buffalo game. niners money parlay autumn after when next one browns at houston doesn't look like sieges, droughts buying those look like they pretty much all their good results

worse, except for noah brown, who basically was like a a special teams guy for the cowboys and the browns defense wins his game on it's own. I, like there's a snare hair where, if cleveland wins in indianapolis, wins and buffalo ends Those could be our five six and seven seats and that's what I'm gonna be betting on this week, because I love the browns minus two neff over the texans. They take care of business. How are the browns going to have ten wins, with four quarterback says what an amazing season for them: Houston, admirable great job, great challenges even getting to the chance to be over five hundred for the year. You're not apply optimum or brown spanish soon, after putting three hundred. Can that russell? Putting three hundred k and baker mayfield and the bucks playing a jags team where trevor lawrence might play probably isn't going to play?

Ah, their receivers are banned up, they still had have their left tackle, I think their defences soft. I think they're smoke and mirrors team. Bucks or the health is ve been all year and I believe in beggar, maid. I think they are going to win the nfc south. You saw the saints lost tonight to the rams and I think the bucks I think they win this one bucks minus two and have put three hundred thousand on that. I think they can move the ball down the field, I'm in on baker, comeback player of the year baby, steelers plus two and a half against the bengals was- and I discuss this as well. This is a. I can't help myself game, no jamar chase for the bengals. These two teams

it's played like a month ago and the steelers with them sixteen at ten, and it was really one sided and it's in my head, where I just I know, mason rudolph's the quarterback go go, go back to his two thousand and eighteen game of his one bad gaming as the browns other than that pretty competent. I like some of the quotes. I've read from him this week is basically his teammates like yeah mason comes every day, puts the time and has been waiting for another chance. I'm in you have a chance with me: mason, rudolph, steelers, plus two and a half for putting three hundred thousand on this, I dont think the sewers can foreign road, as has happened since two thousand, and thirteen and this is a do or die a kitchen sink game for them. This is it. They lose this game they're out. They're done, I think they come through at home. Last but not least, colts plus two and a half at atlanta atlanta has changed quarterbacks for the third time. They just keep going back and forth like it's a jojo,

culture are really good. Our office does changed again: menchu combo view when it said the season. Thinking now would be one of the better to be coach. Combo your lying, but they ve been pretty good. They ve been pretty successful in atlanta just like, looks like their headed down. The arthur smith is gonna, get fired, train, that is, that is whatever railway that is It's the railway, they are on colts, plus two and a half were putting three hundred thousand on that. Unless, but always, I was going to take the panthers money line because I actually think they can beat the packers like to one ah underdogs to win an arm. The packers are all banged up the panthers at that I play for and then on their first round pick. But I realized is my heart telling me to do that because I want the panthers to lose to the patriots could potentially have number one pick

the draft a maxim more worried about the patriots plus seven against denver, and I think they can cover that. I'm staying where from that, I'm staying away from all panthers patriot stuff, but you know where my heart is, and you know what I asked santa for this weekend is for a panthers win and a patriots loss and the patriots to have the number one pick in the draft. I don't ask for much happy holidays. Merry christmas, bianca enjoy the weekend. Shall fantasies air has been on this package a few times we have done that we watch was many times together. You can hear the big picture as well we ve been working together. Think this is how many christmases for us, like our twelve christmas. I think it's twelve year, which is a lot more, has been a long time yet, where you ve made your. If, as a jets fan the entire time, I've known you now out of date, diet can you just wait?

we on this aaron rodgers. Why did you pretend you're coming back story? There came a story this week ignores flagging it six weeks ago yeah sure you ve been right the whole time I've had a full he'll turn. I think he has destroyed the franchise even more? I thought it was ashes when he arrived and now it's like embers of ashes. Women are so screwed, it's crazy. He brought all of these goon losers to this team and they ve just been absolute. Pathetic, and I'm just miserable now, maybe it'll all turn around next year and they'll fix some things, but what a clown shell? It's embarrassing! Do you think if they do this, They actually thought he was coming back, I think of them. at legitimately three games in the last six weeks that they one should have one and were the better team in and too they had won it at least, would have been an interesting conversation essay. Can you put the forty year old guy behind one of the worst off as a binding, the league, because you have a chance to actually make the playoffs after missing it for twelve consecutive seasons. So it's not like

it wouldn't have been impossible to me, and I know that you think that it was mostly because he such an egomaniac maniac, that he wanted to stay in the news, and you know he was constantly china propel his myth. That's like a great what you know: longevity football player, but I dont, I think the team is so desperate and the fan base legitimately is so sad and hates this organization so much that they would have done anything. They could to just have some positive news this year, but like they lost games like that fact is a game where it's like. What do you do like? How do you lose games to such inept teams and and and make no changes and let Nathaniel Hackett continue to call plays when he's clearly the worst play or any other fell like there's stuff. That is so obviously wrong with the team, Fundamental level that it No, I didn't matter meeting you did not even have to see roger snake that session. I think it's so the only case I've heard for Any of this might have been even somewhat legitimate is if whatever this

new version of the achilles surgery he got when people are saying this is that maybe this is like the tommy john surgery when the when you could replace your elbow back and throw a hundred thousand our again there like. Maybe maybe this is a revolution and now you ve got the time for achilles, because there is a time in our lives when the acl injury was eighteen. it's then, all sudden it was like peterson came Adrian peterson came back. There was like ten months. It was like whoa that was fast he's back wow, but four months seems insane for really any type of injury like that. I just don't like I'd, be surprised if he was one hundred percent at mini camp I'd like eight month bark, I completely agree with you. I don't really understand it, but I think the conspiracy theory that's been floated is that it was a partial tear and not a full.

And I don't really even know what the difference is between a partial turn, a full, dare I'm not a doctor, but that if it is a partial tear than its ability, he'll would be different and he would be able to get back more quickly. I also think that there is like Bob fossey level, choreography of showing us what he was able to do now, so that when he did something cool They would show it to us, but they never showed him. Looking a little game be out there. You know like it seem like the entire. league and the networks were conspiring to make us think that he is superman, but honestly does matter now like it's. The book will never see, any, and you might have been right- that we were never gonna, see it it's hard to say putting it behind a bad offensive line when he wasn't a hundred percent there Well he's not a hundred percent yet, but I can't think of a worse position apply if you're, not a hundred percent. We have to cut pivot and dug out of the who it's not so I mean I was talking to wilds about that. Some in this position, where we're gonna have a top three peck gallop,

If you are in twice and like the span of three years about times you grab the guy and then it turned out. He was the right guy, the secular at all, in the draft like. Why do we spend so much time even in taking these guys be the saviours when it's like a thirty five percent chance, you ve had sanchez Zack, wilson and sand arnold and went over three. I mean for the jets it's a little different than the patriots right like that. The jets are just a miserable team that effectively have one truly great quarterback and their entire history. So right- and that was that was fifty years ago, so because of that there's just this like desperate march,

to get one. I listened to every draft podcast that we make at the ringer like. I follow this so closely and I care about it. So much and frankly, the jets are almost always picking in the top ten that it's of interest to me. But the qb thing is like a it's still a complete crapshoot, the cj stroud thing this year. It's so crazy that he is so clearly one of the ten best quarterbacks, maybe fifteen, as quarterbacks in the nfl, his rookie season and bryce young looks like may I make it to a second contract like it's just a very strange thing that I certainly care at my head around for you, it's I'm in this is the first time and how even the manager. That was like fifteen right. It's that it wasn't the same thing as when you're like looking to spend capital I'll. Tell you one thing to keep your eye your eyes out, for, though cause, if you guys get it wrong. If you take a qb and get it wrong, think about this next year for the jets to not employ Zach Wilson, they have to take a huge cap hit to cut him for his

season. So, like you screw it up, it's like a fifteen million dollar charge. Just did not play a guy in his fort season. When you realize he's not the guy so that the stakes are pretty high on the pick, the amis fella give bow check stays. He would trade back if he wasn't a hundred censure and the cuban, because he would look at it in his where Bela check, brain and billy I can turn it into two first and second and less money. One thing that is the way who do you want hooty? Who, like this exact moment, you want you want your caleb, you aren't you, so I am not a researcher. I just want the highest possible pact with the most options they we get. The first pick then, who somebody, every year there is some crazy teen, that's a cure all of our pacts and take this issue, and you know like that bears trade last year, which was shoes, nuts and register retrospect with the with the panthers,

they just moved up and give them all the shit man they're here take dj markets Maybe they're gonna take and did eight didn't they do the same thing. The teacher rescued in the barest up to get to Travis yesterday. I think I have moved up a spot, but they still gave up real assets. movies. Are a lot safer to talk about because at least we have established directors- and you know this year we had a lot of pedigree. This a pedigree year It was also a lot more about our big directors were workin yeah white. I know a lot more about movies than football to so it's better to talk to me about this in the army. that that was like some run off from the pandemic right, like a lot of these great older masters. These guys were in their seventies and eighties, got the chance to take some time on their projects. Like mountains was easy and scott and Michael man, and all these great filmmakers up movies up this year I don't really any of them were like the absolute best movie that they ever made, but a lot of them are really really good like if I'm due

anything that if I'm podcasting that well at eighty, then I'm going to be filled. Fucking proud That would be pretty amazing if you still a occupied custody duty. If I do I screwed up, I screwed up my life. Then the emails I found like I'm thrice divorced. You know I've got six mortgages. You know I got an eye, kids. What is a podcast forty years? now, it's probably you in a virtual hologram sitting next to somebody doing a directors whatever the movie, if good I'm gonna have crs corpse. the next to me, you know we're gonna have record after revivify corpse. I thought I d. I better not be part guessing at eighty, that's for sure. But yes, it was a good year for older people- and it was, it was a good year for filmmakers there I am, is a really really good movie, so ass to with a gimmick. What's the gimmick, I'm a few for you One is on here's five movies. You need to see over the holiday season because there's a ton of new releases and it's a little confusing, and I want a preface that by saying that

last few years. What you might have sent us here, the five movies you should stream with your family at home, but something has changed, thank god, which is that the studios don't stream their movies first, any more for the most part, this start. They realised that putting movies movie theatres, even if they don't make a ton of money and in the theatres, creates away. full of awareness. That then helps it. Have this longer term life like makes longer tell for revenue longer term for longer tell for discovery. So when you have we see the movie on max or netflix or wherever yoda plenty of any rent it. Apple or amazon, that having that marketing spend to get the movie movie theatres makes it feel more substantial makes it more desirable. The movies that chart on apple is that you are the most popular movies of any given. Time are almost always entirely movies that opened in theatres. First say nothing. It was a got things, they occur, ability thing almost like all. That movie is good enough to command the theatre, exactly

Who knows how long that will last, but it is happening right now. The there have been five big movies that have been released basically directly to streaming in the month of December. Those movies are may december, leave the world behind maestro the chicken run, sequel and full moon part, one which is the new Zack snyder movie. You know all five of those movies have in common, but they're all netflix movies. Netflix is the only place that has like we're still doing streaming. This is that is the I miss you of our business, everybody else kind of realized, it's better to go to movies in theaters, or at least better for the business of movies, to put them in theater. So that's, exciting and and there's some really good ones out right now. First one is like is really obvious. It's like the most it's the most bill, shawn movie, maybe ever, and that that that's the iron claw like it is. It is in the dead center of our interests as movie fans, because it's a it's a period piece sports, be made by a visionary or tour for a twenty four like it is so great, obviously, but also very much a David shoemaker movie being a man from tat

but it's about, as I have here that lama, he does it yeah, I'm in your literally the audience for that its weirdly like pull socked from his brain, like they put his brain on screen, but yet about them, Eric family, who finds a wrestling will know, is one of the most tragic family stories in pro wrestling history. History in indirect, by this guy sean durkin, who made Martha marcy, may marlene the cult thriller from the early twenty tens, and I grew up on the east coast like you and I'm You know a little bit younger, so I didn't know very much about the VON Erich. Aside from what I had read

in David's book and caravan. Eric was familiar to some Debbie Debbie, I fans, but he had I once a five brothers and many of them died tragically, and the story is almost too too sad and absurd to be believed in the movie is like genuinely genuinely moving it is it is. It is the most sincere quality american sports movie like in a decade two decades is a really really get some so ominous at the very top of this back ass. I am saying this movie. After we've talked about it, cause we're talking early afternoon, and I'm gonna put my thoughts at the very top briefly, I don't want to spoil it for people. I have a history with the VON Erich because when I scope when I was in highschool when I go back to visit my dad cause, I've gone to high school in connecticut, but I go back like every other weekend as my dad, and I think it was like one of the cable channels like nesson and he's the show that the texas wrestling

So that was where a camera- and it was, I wait, there's other wrestling like it's, not just Abu Dhabi, so a kind of knew what was going on and they had this feud against the free bird's eye was amazing. I am shirts covered covered the movie, it is sub, but it was like the first time I had ever seen any sort arrested thing were they pulled off like the gang against gang resting few thing, which now has been ripped off for the last forty years and then those guys are just started die so thou it. That was my history, but Kerry had this. He had this sad moment when he came back to dub dub. He was like missing his foot and as anyway I'm I'm. I can't believe they pulled it off, because when I saw they were making, I was I gotta, be terrible, that'll be like a tv movie and then you know, then you see it's a twenty four. They had a real director, but then Zac efron the revelation right Just an amazing performance, I alone he's really done anything like this. You place Kevin VON Erik the surviving member of the family and yeah

on the one hand, like his whole body, is like a special effects like the way the heat the shape he has got himself into is almost bizarre. He looks like a giant sculpture. but he gives a really quiet, beautiful performance and it's like a it's also littered with, like all the right guys. You know it's harris dickinson who is in triangle of sadness. Last year it's jeremy and white from the bear is playing. Harry its hold the colony from mine, hunter and fight club, and he placed fritz braun Erik the the father from the family. I love thy. It he's he's autumn in the movie in and fritz is a fascinating character to himself. Does. That is really one of my favorite movies of the year and dumb. I think that he best sports movies since, like money ball gosh, I hadn't thought about like what the context is, but

it's it's up there yeah. I don't think it's. I don't like it as much as moneyball, which is like an all time movie for me, but yeah. It's awesome! It's it for for these times, for these like sad times with sports movies, is really really good and also there's a world in which, like, if you're, even if you're, not a sports fan- and even if you think pro wrestling is ridiculous- it's very easy to get connected to the movie cause. It's a family drama. You know it's up. the movie about brothers in their dad nor mom. So that's very, very good! So you, u tweeted that you don't understand why it's getting more asker buzz yeah. I I think that that I think the pro wrestling is is held against in many ways by the academy, the academy academies all in, although snobbish in that present, is, as is very snobbish at the end, the know prosings down market as much as you and I really like it and appreciated the movie- does a good job, though of splaining how pro works without being like boehringer pedantic. It's it's a real nice job of kind of clarifying like what does it mean to be what the whites not quoted quote fake. You know there's more to it than that, so I think that that could be helpful

I hope more people watch it it's coming out late in the year. I think that's part of it. You know it's also coming out coming out from a studio that has two other really big, oscar movies in a twenty four. They got zone of interest in past lives and they're, pushing the at the movies, who knows, maybe, if people love it and a lot of people go see it over, though over the weekend that it'll get more buzz at. What's? What's your second one, you are you've already seen american fiction, but I feel like people should check this out. This is encore jefferson's new movie. I know you talked to him at length on your show, just a really smart kind of it kind of like the flip side of the coin of the iron claw, like a really good family drama. That also shows this world of publishing and entertainment for black creative people that, frankly, we don't get to see that much or don't understand as well as we should like if the movies are interestingly paired- and I thought was really funny and made a few features like a pretty amazing jeffrey wright. Performance n has like currently, you mentioned Keith David's in it. When you talked a chord like sterling K, brown and tracee Ellis ross, like kind of everyone who crops up in the movie like I liked that person like every time they show,

up, and- and so I thought it was really good. I thought it was really really impressive for a first time filmmaker to record. He never directed anything, and this is the first thing he did so I thought that was really promising and number three is a big one. It's ferrari! It's your boy, Michael Mann, comes out on christmas day, when I'm nervous, I heard the special Sort that great yeah I mean, are they as good as you want them to be? No, but I'm not really sure that it matters. That's not really with the movies about like that. There's two big affect sequences that like could be a little bit better, but for, if that's the pre release height, I think that's doing a disservice. Cause it's a classic. Michael men movie, it's about a guy who's absurd with his own success and anybody who gets in his way he needs to push aside the woman talking to him, he wants her to shut up so that he can keep succeeding and ignoring his family and going forward to win. You know like it is: it is its neil,

and he you know it's Daniel day, Lewis and the last of the mohicans. It's like it is the obsessive man's guide to car racing in the nineteen fifth, he's in italy and adam driver who you know you ve been a little dubious up. I want to say, I think, he's phenomenal. I don't think that's fair, what it will be used that he's not our great american male movie star eight I'd said he was there for me at, but I didn't crossing off. Ok, ok, he's, he's the best america movie star eta. Male, got gosling made it become back with barbie this year, like its. If gassing really wanted it if he was like, I am robber read for now. I think you could do it. That's interesting. I confess if he just went The redford I am debating is like alright this year, I'm making my three days of condor yeah,

in a spy movie this year, I'm doing a romcom this year and if you just like bang, bang, bang, bang bang, he he would. He would be the guy and I mean bradley cooper. You know he's doing his thing too, and I'm not necessarily recommending maestro in the segment, but a it's an interesting movie that I, kind of like a ferrari, though, is I think I think I think, you'll dig it whether it by thirty seven year old, adam driver as a fifty seven year old, italian man, you're mileage may vary surfeit upon I haven't read. That part where is made, but, as you know, I support all my command movies and we even then blackout in the re watch was much dear chagrin, yeah, I'm gonna get. I think it's his best movie since since since collateral fry, ok yeah what number four I am very, very excited to report back to you about the film anyone, but you the new rule.

It's a comedy, starring, sidney, sweeney and pal. It's good! Well, I didn't say that it's a movie that I think you should go see. Of course, guess. I urge support the queen. Ok, here's what I did. No, but the movie, it's kind of a like unofficial, spiritual sequel to my best friends wedding. It's very inspired by my best friends wedding. It takes place in Austria, area which I did not know, and I sat down to watch it. It features are a union between terminal, rony and rachel Griffiths, who play cities he's paraphernalia the homage, but they also kind of acknowledge it with some of the casting. Yes, exactly that it's a clear homage to that tone of movie. You know too young sexy leads to in the story hate each other, but our men for each other, and you know they find a way to

it cute and then they get separated, and then they have to come back together again by way of a scheme. It's inspired by shakespeare's much ado about nothing like so many of those nineties movies. Ah Glen powell was just like a locked and loaded a movie star, in my mind, like he is as good as we ve gotten in the underworld. Eddie categories for this kind of a movie sidney sweeney, I dont think, is like great at saying words and I think that there is some challenges in her performance at times like this- isn't exactly her tone. I thought she was pretty good at that movie reality that came out earlier this year, which was a straight drama about reality winner. She paid I used this movie, anyone, but you she looks beautiful, she's, a very she's, a a magnetic onscreen presence like you, can't take your eyes off her whenever she's there that doesn't necessarily mean she's giving a great performance, but that kind of

matter like this, that's true of how many people in the last hundred years in movies, where you like, and maybe you're, not the best actor, but I want to spend time with you. I want to see you interacting with other good actors, and I thought it was pretty solid as well who did easier and friends of benefits, and so like he's here was had to make a movie like this, so I thought it was and definitely not bad kind of like a b minus b, but honestly, if you're looking for something fun to go, see with really hot people taking their clothes off one stop in on the beaches of australia. So it's like an r rated romcom. It is, it is operated through a my wife is excited about it. Cause she likes going pal, so I was feeling Glen powell. Obviously, when we talk about the covert era, there's a slew of terrible things you have to mention before you get the Glen pal.

What put what place? Did you say using these low unless there there's a lot, you have to go through this latter beckett machination? What we will eventually much real asset virtue bed way way now the road to get going power, but topics getting the wade. I thought we heard him and miles tower because, if you're just putting together, your career like it said chessboard, though those responsibly the break out boom is for those two as none of that happening. What two and a half years after it was supposed to come out yeah. I think they shot it in two thousand and nineteen yeah. I I I just think both of those guys gotta, really screwed by that it'll, be they clear I dont. Even they get leg in it, a player like of yawning, was about tat is break out years, something and then it is, It happened for three barriers and then not that bad, that that miles and glimpse- yeah, that's, but you don't mean that get. It really call delayed something

we have learned in the nba, isn't it. This is exactly what happened at blake griffin and shed hungry. They basically got hurt in their rookie seasons right and then they, they came back in their their new rookies. And their great so like to be utterly. Anyone, but you is like, is necessarily glenn powers. Version of blake, griffins rookie season, but ill at ease is one of us we're I'm glad we workshop the take together, but how somebody that weave we ve been wet and been riding force and thoroughly days the ringer became season everybody wants. Someone will be on the real obstacles at some point, but great and that movie and we just whereas I guy what sex for he was a what's next for that guy for years. And when we saw the top gun with him a miles we were like. This is great. This is this is perfect for these two. This will blow them up and it did blow them up and just europe an extra two years well

also the star set it up, which is the only movie, is ever been made that is loosely based on grantline slash the ringer, so you don't get away with that in mind. We were theme, but I'm power for life. I want somebody, five godzilla minus one. Have you heard anything about this movie? Just just from you, the new japanese produced godzilla movie, there have been a bunch of godzilla movies in the last eight or nine years, and in the u s made by the brothers, legendary. This is toehold the original home of japan and it's a pure post world war, two movie that happens to feature godzilla It's like a sincere drama and also a movie where I'm like a giant monster. Lizard dinosaur steps on people, and it is like weirdly, emotionally affecting and also rocks and features yelled said dragon monster like firing raise out of his mouth.

It was also apparently only made for like fifteen million dollars, which really put to shame a lot of the? U S, blockbusters. It came out this year, many of which were bad and forced me to have nervous breakdowns on the big picture. So I think, if you're looking for a cool blockbuster, this is the one to go, see interest. well a definite feels like something shifted from the beginning and twenty through to the end. Twenty three with some some things kind ran its course Now, if we have a paramount warner brothers verger by weight, As a merger ever worked when in energy, it really can you point made through the one where there are no man, thank god, those to merge. It's been so much more amazing, it always seems like well, then I it leads to a shitload of lay offs in all bunch of different terrible things and

where's concept. I agree. I think it depends on how you look at it like disney, acquiring s, p n, that was pretty good. That was more of an acquisition than a merger would would yeah that was fair, would warner discovery acquire like. Are they acquiring paramount, like who's bigger in this equation? I guess is the question: who's gonna who's, levelling up on top of who would determine appetite. There's always bad outcome, so acquisitions, its end or to mergers rather could be a cop, really bad. I hope it's not. I hope it's good, but I dunno I I have one. I have a trivia question for you that I think you might be acid, and so this year was the the first year that all three movies at the top of the worldwide box office were neither sequels nor eggs are barbie. The super mario brothers movie in oppenheimer

Do you remember when the last time that happened was? Can you guess what year was less than that happened? I would say it was not a twenty first century year it was, but just barely out of it. So as one in that one in that year, the top removes the box office were harry potter and the sorcerer stone the first lord of the rings movie and monsters. Now, of course, all three of those movies spawned sequels and franchises in some respects. This is what I really wanted to ask you so well Those three movies came out kind of like changed hollywood forever. The next year spiderman came out and it was like. We were off, like franchise's defined movies for the next twenty years. Can you guess the last time the top three films at the box office failed to spawn a sequel, remake or wider franchise of any kind? Who week I'll give you a hint. We covered one

these movies on the rewatch bubbles this year, oh so were, is probably the nineties note earlier as the eighties yeah, oh shit, what was it? Nineteen eighty two, the top lose yet that year were e t, tootsie and an officer a gentleman wow, so this used to be nineteen. Eighty eight until twenty or twenty one was nineteen. Eighty that's one who frame roger abbot rain man in coming to america came out, but in twenty one one coming to america, gotta sequel. They don't think at odds to think whether I know I, if there is a forty year Since a movie free movies came out the top the box office, it didn't have like a franchise after effect, so I don't it's scary thing with movies and their future. But we ve covered other reasons for a lot of its drifting towards scripted.

in a lot of ideas that would have been really cool and movies just end up being seven episode, somethings, that's something I like about the iron claw is like five years ago. This might have been a show and I'm glad it's not a show, I'm glad it's a movie. I feel that way, but offer that that paramount show. I think that could have been a really good to our movie in amerika yeah. I'd I'd think ought to me this movie or will be considered to be a huge. When we had people go back, the theatres we had big directors, we had some organic jain heads and Oscar is going to be really fun again yeah. This is the first, you're a long time that there are roughly like fifteen or sixteen movies competing for best picture and I'm a pretty big fan of like thirteen. Fourteen of them, while you know, there's not a movie where, unlike all this movie stinks, which is pretty exciting knight, who knows it,

We could look up in a month when the oscar nominations come out and I could be. I could look like an asshole because something terrible has been nominated but like even stuff on the fringes. You know like air or past live those are really good movies. You know that I really liked. So it's a it's. It's been a really good one, a twenty twenty four, I'm a little nervous about won't, let a little feel like they overloaded us this year, little bit when when does sequence happen where its clear that oppenheimer's the heavy favoured for best best film and then that turns it of course, the men one above for oppenheimer me and we had that all sides Well, you know I want to stay as far away from it is possible. I dont think I dont think it. Be a barbie verses, oppenheimer thing. I think it will ultimately be like, should we vote the hold, or it makes us feel better kind of movie, which we seen those kinds of races before where there's one movie. That is this like big portentous, important film. That tells us something about the nature of our character in the

you know embittered feature of america and then there's a move. They're like w was nice, and I liked it number one predicted quota to invest, picture and indeed win, because people are like that's what I feel now, It's really like a joni mitchell song. Here's the adder yeah like that could happen. I could definitely I and I like the holdover, so I'm not I'm not like rooting against that in any way it just there's. We've got three months here for things to evolve I have some really disappointing movie takes for you, but I'm not going to give them two. Yet, okay, only that for I'll save that for another segment, we don't need it now. Maybe that would be a great segment for when I'm eighty doing my show, you know forty years later, oscars yeah, but I have some add some zags. I do worry about the group think that We had two thousand twenty three with a lot of these movies. What is they don't get get

come on you're holding back, don't hold back, hold them back, I'm saving it cause. I really want to, I think, feel like this is a whole other podcast. But, okay, I just think there's more group think than ever with movies now and I ll in part of it is because the movie criticism really gone sideways. We just don't have enough movie credit sure like fuck it. This is what I think, and was they probably though last one whose really legs fuck it. I dont care. This is what I thought and is just like. I will go, hundred percent, all in and not couch anything, but I think there is some good zags available this year that I I just didn't see. I think what happens for me is I just obviously care about the art form and the industry. So much that I am

actively rooting for things to be good. I try to non basketball yeah. I try to not let that cloud, my taste and when I'm interested in, but I I I don't. It's not fun, especially when I go to go see like a hundred and fifty move is a year in the theatres like an insane number of movies and and I'm stream another. In fifty more at home, like I don't wanna, be wasting my time. I don't wanna be like sit it sitting. There was something I dont want, I dont revel in like a right. So I don't write pans of movies. Sometimes it can be funded right, a pan. Likewise, they wrote wrote like an incredible pan of sulphur in a month ago, like one of the as the year but like south, now miss terrible, but is it fun on a pod like once a week to get on and no use sucks? It basketball is player acts like we don't do that that this was not a shone fantasy assault. Just I'm defending my my my him is that he was targeted at you. I just feel like we used, argue way more about movies, and I did just watch it.

Dialogue about barbie was really interesting because he'd have John carpenter came flying off the top professor, crazy cape and people reacted like you question another letter, lemme damp and plug it back or should he be institutionalized? Setting that allow put that guy who was is that's where one of the reasons we watch as we have. Much find my going back to see what people thought at the time versus how it evolved than I just I don't know. I feel like there's a lane for somebody to zag pretty hard cause. You see it in sports. Sports is the eye every zagging too hard in sports and then in pop culture. I feel like there's not enough. Sagging leg may December they get moving that. That is very well that very well acted I'm not sure like a like. I was happy afterwards that I spent the two hours on it yeah. I think that's a really good example of what

there has been a good thing about this movie year, one, I don't think it's we are to be like our I'm, not so sure about eight december. I think that's a good unhealthy to kind of interrogate, maybe white and like it or what you didn't think worked about it. It was it was ago why? Why do we do this? Why did they make it? This close? to the american latona story, but not just caught the american. turn our story and wet like what was the point I thought I was really interesting. I lied. I was glad I saw it, but I dont, ultimately, no lack of it's gonna be nominated for best picture. That's for my woe! Really. I mean I have like my own interpretation of the movie in and why they made it and why the script is written. Um, that's like, ultimately about this kind of refrain, of celebrity in a way that we like the empire people's lives We are obviously, unlike what happens when you go into the public eye and how you the kind of like lose yourself in your life. I think the themes and it is the move, your really rich, but you know tat

panes as a very distinct kind of style. His actors always act in a particular kind of way. I've taught him who actually we just got a sandwich together last weekend and the guy who is ringing us up at the sandwich shop was like hey eyewash, may december, didn't like it like area. That's it that's a good thing, that's like no man than I had a great conversation on the pot about on this movie anatomy of a fall out, and if you see no one, it's a french movie, but it's mostly in english and it's about a woman is accused of killing your husband and he falls from a great. At their home and the most of the movie is a core drama and we we both really liked the movie, but we had somewhat different points of view about like what has actually happened. why the choices were made to tell the story that way, and it was the most how doing shown a while, because we were just really digging into the movie, and there is a lot to kind of debate. I think that there is a a room for that right now. I dont think there's as much room for- and I think some here what you point out as the reason why fur like Pauline kale

like, hey guys, I'm just going to toss this grenade in the middle of the room. Kind of take no or just like. Maybe that's a good thing yeah, but it's fun to read where you'd she'll just be. Writing and she'll, be, like you know, in this film it appears the Jane fonda, never read the script and barely opened her eyes, while for giving a performance like whoa, what and it'll be a movie that, like everyone agrees today, is incredible and they're there isn't a lot of that. There isn't a lot of like aggressively going against the grain because you're a fearless writer commentator, but I I do think that there's a lot of debate with movies, because it means a lot of people are seeing movies, which is that that's the thing I'm most excited about yeah the killer was the most interesting one for me, because I knew some people who live there, and I know some people who just thought it was boring but respected fincher, because you know he's tactically, probably one of the three best reactors we so they were like any time. You makes anything, I'm watching a joy and I see it, but they can a boring yeah. I think

How do people felt that way? And I I also understand that but like as a fincher maniac, every single choice in the movie, unlike overriding and unlike. Why did this because of this needed this and that's fund for me to think about them? be that way. But most people that I talk to you who are not cycles were like that. That was not even a real character. Who was that guy? Why did I spent an hour and a half of you, I'm like the smiths, so that was his personality right, yet coppermine unlocked it for me, that's why I like sometimes with these ended cynical times. Coppermine said that was a story about a business man in america- and I just ass, though just the world of business and executing business, and if you look at it through that lends, the different moments. I gotta watch it again. Thinking about it that way, but I think that's a good reading. I go in with fincher I'd respected the work I just didn't really love hanging out fast bender for two hours. I guess was by my my nitpick pic. I did my irish,

german brother. I appreciated his work me him and Tom Hagen. I know you missed his crank getting in and getting them. They said that once it's too bad he's so gifted to you know a different sort of a weapon in this movie. I think he and I like him a lot as an actor, I think with fincher. He seems a little bit bored cause like I know how to do everything better than anybody else, but gave in mind like roughly eighty percent, movies when they first come out. People are like air. Was that really so good and then, yes Two years later, everyone's, like oh, wait. That was the masterpiece of our time and I kind of think that's going to happen with this one too. I think that it's going to be twenty. Twenty five is going to be a bad movie year and recently remember we kind of ignored the killer, which was made like a diamond like it was a perfectly cut, an object of filmmaking, but we'll see I it as two incredible scenes in it which one's a fight, the fight scene. I thought the assassination scene was amazing, very cool,

now it's in the first like twenty minutes, I just all of them and then it not happening and then just how moves from there. I, that is what the best lay eight nine minute stretches of fishers career became. There is other stuff that I wish to say that I did you this yet I he's one of those filmmakers, do where, if you read more or like watch youtube videos about how he did certain things, you're like oh, he this on another level like that whole image? rear window image in the opening sequence they are talking about is just all digitally created like it's, not that's like a set. That's not a real place like each room and box was designed and and created, so, like EAST he's just he's on another level rights you you ve done some recap stuff in the big picture, but there's there's more coming and then everything had stored. The oscars, which is your superbowl cause. You know you have a suitable suggestion shown shot. Had a happy thought, the dates. It is great to see you.

I expel the alright, that's it for the podcast, thanks to justin and sean Kevin wildes, thanks to cob, Creighton and Steve Cerruti, for producing, as always merry christmas to everybody out there. Thanks for listening, I hope you have a great weekend stay safe and we'll see you on this podcast on monday and on the rewatch was on Sunday merry christmas, the must be twenty.

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