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the wiley are welcome to the no spin news Monday december. Eleven. Two thousand twenty three stand up for your country. Two weeks before christmas will get into that. I wrote a call
yesterday. I hope you read it.
On corruption in the federal government. Now too, many americans do not care. They just stop
uses. All it's always been this where's nothing. I can do about it. The reason they don't care are too lazy to care.
And I'm sorry to be harsh, but it's true, so have you
is while, under the bite administration an enormous amount of of corruption, nogales tromp trump was worse or some stupid thing like that. Not knowing what you're talking about
No just a flag deflect the flag hours a lot. I don't pay attention to it.
I have to do on my cell phone blah blah blah blah blah blah. I gotta tell you, though, government corruption is one of the worst things that could ever happen to the united states, and we have it now big time, and that is the subject
of this evening. Saga points memo assault on thursday last week the federal government file new charges against hunter, but the
media reported, but they suppressed it didn't go hysterical, they reported.
Or more about trompe in a nazi or whatever the theme of the day is on him
but the department justices at alleges. Hunter Biden failed to pay one point: four million in taxes from two sixteen two to ninety k: three phony six misdemeanours, all new and isn't it magical that
in august they had three misdemeanors and a gun thing that the judge threw out and I'll get through a moment and just less than four months later then come up with all his stuff after investigating for five
here. It is really is really something anyway, if convicted on a binding faces, seventeen years of prison, but Joe Biden, more pardon him.
It is a matter went not a matter. If so, don't expect to be goin janni facility, they want
all right now. Here's what I rode on sunday, the case of harder by, isn't it
I believe vivid example of corruption by the federal government situation. Rivals Watergate and the teapot dome scandal engineer by members of president Warren Harding
cabinet. I'm actually writing about that right now, for my upcoming presidential book, which will be out in September anyway, the following facts are not in dispute from fort.
In nineteen honour by the mass millions of dollars, selling influence to foreign concerns. Son of the president uses father's name and multiple deals where foreign nationals were proud.
just access to the elder by it, and we have that on hunter Biden's computer and on direct testimony from his business associates. No question about it. No two sides to the story: okay, so he was selling influence and- and it was obvious he didn't play taxes
why he didn't even file. He didn't even bother to file. So again, no two sides to this that the federal government says one point six, it's a lot more than that, but the statute of limitations has run out for two four,
ten fifteen. When hunter bide amassed tremendous amount of money.
Some people say that was a design
His wanted all thing:
to run out onto the statute of limitations. Ok, honest trump, William bar was the attorney general trump wanted a special council appointed to investigate hunter bye bye.
refused to eyes. I died all my guys are doing a job which was either dishonest or ludicrous
it's one or the other for bill. Barr do under trump
it could have aggressively gone after hundred by bill bar would not be understands. It is not a partisan play here. That is the fact
And dirt, gore alone, who comes in under Joe Biden, he's even worse than billboard,
what he does is basically wash its hands at all thing done in pay attention to it, and I believe that, unless, as u s attorneys, do nothing in california washing DC in delaware, there
and the hunter Biden laptop is discovered in all hell breaks loose, but not all hell in the corporate media. Not the new york posed broke into a few of the others. Here we discussed it
but NBC, ABC cnn serbia, tat down tat down tempter in fox, didn't cover the story very well, because I don't have the school place to do it anymore over there. They can't do it.
and so Biden could do Joe Biden. The president denies everything
I shall did nothing wrong doing any money from china pop up, and we all know that tuna daughter.
So merrick garland he's run any investigation attorney general and they're trying every which way not to do anything. Finally, they have to do it, so they file these low level charges in july against hunter Biden, very misdemeanors and a gun thing is ridiculous, ok and no jail time. That's the play and a judge throws it out. Just as I'm doing this, this is insane and then I have to go back to the drawing board enter two whistleblowers. The guy show up, you know them.
To find from congress, which is the only investigative body to this day, the fbi is not thus getting any. It is not even a lot of talk about corruption, Christopher re, MR corruption, it can't be bothered solve the two iris
the lower say, hey. We had all information about a long time ago. We had in fourteen fifty nobody do anything about it. Hatch, cooped up shit, ok,
I saw the latest federal indictment last thursday, while in california, where all Who'S- the? U s attorney in california, Saint Martin, Estrada he refused to investigate anything
It's on the record. Estrada would not investigate honor, but he still there. He still a us attorney. He talk about corruption, mirror garland, so raise corrupt heavily. I garlands corrupt he's the fbi,
he's the just department attorney general and the u s attorney in california, screw up pretty big right
and Biden presides over this big fire. These people at any time, if you wanted to, but obviously doesn't protecting son.
okay, that the bottom line on the story. I had to use a cliche bottom line, but here it is the feds, the justice department, Barr America, ireland, Christopher wray. They knew years ago that hunter Biden was selling influence and not paying taxes. They knew Joe Biden knew Jill Biden. His mother knew they all knew gay.
and the corporate media? No well every. I knew early on its beyond dispute.
When you add it all up its colossal again: rivals Watergate antipater, dumb
It will go down in history as one of the biggest scandals in u s federal german history, anathema
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of those who are some right wing conspiracies. I get mail and it's all a time. Once again, I will tell you if you believe,
What you read in the ideological sites when there are left wing or right wing. If you believe that you are not being smart kid. A first conspiracy is that the charges us weak or files or hunter Biden doesn't have to testify in front a congress. That is faults nothing to do with that. We do expect hunter Biden if he shows up to take the fifth, the men, but there's no preclusion of that he can. She converts can still issues a to show up
that guy and that he can be cited for contempt if he doesn't came. The second thing is that the statute of limitations there is now under irish rules. That is false.
six years for an iris criminal case. There isn't any statue of liberty
in a civil case ongoing fraud case, but in a criminal case it's six years
so. This is all over the right wing media, which is our is ok, so I think we're up to speed on this. The final point is the press
sunday reporting supposed to look back on a week. Remember.
The new charges against hundred barton broke on thursday.
maybe she's good morning, America totally ignored it totally ignored abc this week that stuff and
did cover CBS sunday morning. I think they have eight hours so that totally ignored it. Fox news sunday covered meet the press on NBC cover,
ceuta and state of the union that that phony jake tapir, the worst, the absolute lowest worst didn't cover and MSNBC didn't cover. But you knew that one cup
Ok now there is one other aspect going on here before we bring in bread, tom and our guests,.
The national archives is set to hand over to the house oversight committee, sixty two thousand pages
Of Joe Biden records when he was vice, president phone calls stuff like that, because Joe Biden used a pseudonym, a phoney name on a number of transit.
since that he may. So all this data is coming this week to the house oversight committee right now, I'm confused, which is not a good thing. There is the presidential records act, which said
The vice president and president all of their correspondence,
has there been alarmed.
And when they leave office it has to be given to the national archive that is the presidential record's k, but with you use it
Private gives more like this.
Follow me name is Joe Biden did all right. How does the archives know that.
How do they know it member here
We clearly raised all this stuff and isn't it I saw who better than to tell us is the former? U s attorney for utah bread, Tom and who joins us now.
in salt lake city. How do they know how? How did the archives get all the stuff from vice? President Biden, eight years is using pseudonyms he's using his private phone he's using public. How did he get it? All
Buildings around me, and I think there is really two possibilities here. The first is the presidential records act does not distinguish between personal devices in official, so any
an occasion or any record this created. While he is vice president,
the matter the device now most president,
and vice presidents will
control, delete they'll, do away with personal information that they don't want the archives to it to have, but if they don't
Because you are the ones who they had the computer forensic experts that come in and they take devices and they take laptops and everything else and they extract from it all records.
So even if you re stuff bacon reconstituted right
that's correct and let's, let's keep it binds ballet work right now.
so the Biden has to turn over all the things
that he did for eight years, any communication, private or public,
he by law has to turn over the national archives right.
That's correct, though, because right as soon as is done being in office, that the ownership of that transfers to the
Actual national arca arguments. So
there is no longer Joe Biden and he asked to transfer it over and neighed and take the time to go through it. You know
The other way in which they can make they can take possession of mine out about these documents is
sloppiness of Joe Biden,
He uses his other devices is, is official computers are laptops or funds?
and he uses as emails, which you now
any device that you use, whether it's official or not. You have access to all of your email accounts there. My guess is: it was a combination of both sloppiness by vice president
And turning over the records and the arc of us, then retrieved all documents
otherwise, all if you'd all turn em all were you can be charged with a cry. My donald trump is being charged with.
For all his stuff, he had in his mar a lago basement right
it's. It's not historically ribbon handle that way those negotiations and your hand over, and they they eventually you both sides are satisfied, but you
You can violate the law and we see that that's sad issue eyes, while reclining it
and then I wonder if they reconstituted that stuff
but anyway, so sixty two thousand pages of stuff from Joe Biden as vice president, some of which he used a pseudonym. A phoney name is coming into the house.
Whilst sore through. All of that, ok, now my column, that I wrote, I those one of the best coms I've written
on bill, o reilly, dodge com, just details, a corruption, because
wanna. He said she said. I don't want two sides to this.
for all I want to do, is report what we know to be true.
You did I leave out anything or do I do anything that wasn't accurate
very timely and and hit me personally, because I've been I've been wondering how individuals that are on the last and still supporting biting, you know we're out of it.
The conclusion that nothing, you know that nothing has been found and improper, and I support it.
a lawyer friend of mine in new york, and we had a conversation, is very left of centre and
He had no idea what I was talking about when I outlined some of the things that you and I have discussed about. What's then, you know what's come out in the investigation
The house has uncovered the monies than an end. I was flabbergasted, but it tells you
we're all in these silos and and
walking away thinking to himself that this is all you know, fake and phony on the right.
While we sit there and we look at this end- were stunned by so your column was perfect to point out that everyone,
as you know, manipulated by the media. That is corruption, but
it's the lazy that are not going to find out the truth. Ok, so
You know as a historian we're going through now every president, because they're coming out with a new book in september to coincide with the election cycle of two thousand and four,
presidential election and we're goin over everyone. This,
and those they are the problems they had? U s. Grand and a lot of problems with his cabinet harding was ridiculous, mixing ways absurd and I think that they put in the taping after J, F, K and Johnson
and then Nixon now. All calls going into the white house are taped right. Tunas correct there,
there are alternatives, are all right. All taken logged out goes to the archives to use these new device.
Inches and I'm sure there are ways to get around them, but I'll be interested to see the analysis of the sixty two thousand pages coming in to the house. This cycle last question you're even been around for a long time. The f b, I is supposed to be the primary investigating agency at corruption at this level correct. Absolutely it is front lines. It is the f b I chief ray works for merrick garland, the attorney general merrick garland works for Joe Biden, the president, so you've got this agency. We've done absolutely nothing to investigate the Biden family Griffith
They know it's up between twenty and thirty million, and no agents have been assigned to investigate it at all and bill.
you look at that indictment
entire half of the investigation is missing. Typically
task forces formed between the irish and the fbi and the apple
I chases down the other half the investigation, which is the movement of the money, the establishment of a conspiracy the face
funny. You know companies and then the movement of international money into the united states that all that
handled by the f b. I they are the front runners on on pure corruption. Cases like this, it should have been done. It's it's! It's so obvious to those of us who have worked on these types of cases that that case in California,
was absolutely a product of let's get out there. You know a few
these charges against hunter and hopefully in the flax from love that we are missing half of the entire investigation. Now
estrada guy. You know him
I do not. I do not know, and I'm shocked, that dumb. You know that
is to be a time there used to be a time when, u s attorneys, they didn't take
marching orders from main justice in Washington DC. That time is, is over and went away any still. There
And this is backed Amira garland. The attorney general is gonna, go down in history is one of the most corrupt attorney general's have ever had
I've read tom and everybody merry christmas. Bread thanks are able to sell, really appreciate it.
Major business gap awe and we'll talk in soon. I hope.
I'd Joe Biden schedules and other money grabbing. Philly goes there tax talk system, firemen picks up money, then he's gonna have a hanukkah reception tonight, the white house,
the usual for him. He was out own hollywood over the weekend. I understand they raised about fifteen million dollars for the Biden victory fund out there with the hollywood people katzenberg speed,
bird rob reiner chairman
and the rhymes? You know the usual suspects, the law Biden. They don't care. How corrupt is the gun, they couldn't care, less good, doesn't matter us, but he's raking in the money.
New CBS poll out.
Twenty one hundred forty for adults, that means they don't have to be registered voters. So it's a little soft
question: do you approve programme disprove the way present binds handling the current conflict between Israel and Hamas appeal
thirty, nine disapproves. Sixty one disapprove is up five point since october: seven, that's interesting!
second question: do you approve of the way binds handling its job? Approve? Forty one disapprove. Fifty nine thirty feel your income is keeping up with inflation. Yes, it is twenty four percent. No, it is not. Seventy six, that is a key people, cannot afford the essentials,
Why underbite? Fourth question: do you feel economic opportunity for the following groups has been increasing, decreasing, staying the same middle class, middle class, okay, economic opportunity, increasing seventeen percent decreasing fifty six staying the same twenty? Seven? That's going to sink them
cnn. You then Paul Michigan, presidential election held today. Would you vote for tramper by mrs Michigan that went for Biden last time, trump fifty biden, forty whoa whoa? I georgia.
same question trump. Forty, nine biden, forty four and george, of course, one for
Saw present binds losing ground everywhere in the country except California, in new york, where I met a progressive liberals, they don't care, they are going to vote for their people
what s wrong and you right wingers out there with the same way, that's wrong to get to evaluate each situation,
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So that's the democratic talking points that duty just spit out at you. That's what comes out a K street and the democratic precepts, sir James carville say that MSNBC people, sea and air-
day every way, that's what they say, the. Why is do see, saying that right now, right whose opinion, but I could show that opinion
Thirty seconds number one reason you have investigation is to compile information.
and there is no f b. I investigation into Biden, which makes it pretty difficult to get information, so congress has to do it. The two house committees have to do it.
some time. So why are you saying there is no information about Joe Biden when the investigations not even close to being completed? Why would you say that why there's a reason it is not fair to me to speculate about that reason. I know what it is, but in its opinion, but think about it. There is a
These why MR juciest saying what he is saying? California notices gavin news. So
Oh two years ago, when newsome took over standard california sixty a billion dollars and one hundred billion dollar surplus he walks in- and this is jerry brown stack- that money up because they tax people in california to the most extent they could possibly tax one hundred billion two years later, there's sixty eight billion in the red. Are you kidding me and the projection is in the next four years?
The hundred and fifty five billion dollar debt in california. Now, if you were to ask gavin newsome about it, he wouldn't answer the question over one and he wouldn't even acknowledge the facts.
Wouldn't even a guy- and this comes from the legislative analysis office in second
aldo- comes from his own government- wouldn't acknowledge it with the flirt, but but how can he run for president? Even if Biden doesn't run it just that he's mismanaging fiscally the state? This is insane.
Are you and I see these numbers- I got my God- go overseas gaza, so the united nations hates Israel always has you know the third
World countries see Israel as a bully, as persecutor of the arabs of the palestinians and are you in
eyes into that. Everybody knows that, but the only stats that we have out of the war between Israel and Hamas come from the? U n and I'm gonna report.
The stats, but I'm telling you I am a little sceptical. Ok,.
According to the united nations relief and works agency, eighteen thousand palestinians have been killed so far, gauze eighteen thousand. Seventy percent of the eighteen thousand women in chile
get K. More than forty nine thousand have been injured, is Palestine is living in Gaza? You remember october. Seven twelve hundred israelis were killed by Hamas.
kay hundred israeli soldiers subsequently have been killed in the war six hundred
Really soldiers have been injured. Eighty five percent of the population in Gaza, according to the? U n, a five percent, almost two million people are displaced, they're out of their homes, homes have been destroyed or the too dangerous they got
wandering around and according to the EU and world food programme about ninety percent of the gaza residents, don't have enough food as pretty harrowing. Now again,
Is it true? I don't know, but I know that the peace
Well, who were living who are living existence in Gaza are suffer. You have to acknowledge that it's true, but what choice the people in dresden, germany, suffer and we're water rotumah, nagasaki, Tokyo. We all suffer. What's a choice.
moss is going to try to kill Jews got to root them out. It's not easy rooting them out ghost the terrorists are shooting at the israelis. Israelis obama hell out of Gaza
If it were me, I would be
going out of my way not to hurt the civilians, but they're gonna get hurt it's a war in a war zone, very narrow war zone. Ok,
bernie sanders sees the head of the progressive boom in america, the senator from vermont? Here's what he sets. Israel is losing the boy in terms of how the world is looking at the situation, and I think that it would be irresponsible to the united states that give Netanyahu another ten billion dollars to continue to wage. This awful
now. The reason that Sanders is so irresponsible is that number one Israel not losing the war, that's ridiculous by their
is worldwide. The hatred towards Israel is grown. That's true sentence has no clue on how to negate Hamas
Not heed water, more sit there and do it again and again
and again and again, Bernie Sanders solution. Anything! So you should know the head of the progressive movement is
effects. So, let's gay president of Ukraine is coming to washington for the third time since February twenty two tomorrow to ask for money. Can't you know, we've discussed in disgust and discuss you can't let Putin win and ukraine takes money to fight put Putin thinks that the west is going to fold now and he's hanging on.
But the Republicans congress say: okay, you want the money sixty more
billion more. You gotta tighten the border moon compromise at all. I wouldn't vote for, given ukraine money to Biden titans aboard again, all Biden has to do
tonight tomorrow, sign of executive order, executive order, says united states suspending all claims of asylum for one year, because we have too many. We can't adjudicate them one year, no more claims of asylum from anyone stops everybody sent back where they belong.
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however, I believe you, MR key point: charges against hunter are missing.
Arab violations. Why? How do I know why that is registering as a foreign agent? I'm sure he's guilty of it, but I you know I dunno why they don't tell me this stuff fred
Greg, pilcher, silverton or again. I thought the IRA's fraud, no statute of limitations, see that's why I addressed it, see this
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I must wake me up when something actually happens in the punishment category for the Biden clan. You know that's where corrupt governments darrell concierge member we'll get to that moment. Yet, in spite of it, all folks will still vote democrat
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