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america deserves and then
The debate american needs right now. Last night,
fox news held a debate between governor on his hands to flora and governor governance from California was a stark contrast. Envisions census laid out his record plainly. He could.
size, california, shortcomings, accurately newsome, obfuscation,
record and that of his opponent, but it was all things sold a reality
We normal political debate, a debate which both sides can
their information and pointed and argued over that information on those points in this policy positions it was in short,
america deserves. It was not in fact a debate.
The needs right now,
two senses generalise take on california failures, so I was talking to a fella who had made
move from California to florida, and he was telling me that florida as much better govern safer, better budget, a lower tar,
since all this stuff is really happy with the quality
life in any pause, and he said, oh by the way I'm gavin
sums father in law, so we do count gabions in laws as some of the people that have fled California. They understand that florida is doing it right and I can tell you
numbers speak for themselves. We have way more. Let me move on to this state and leaving Gavin can't say the opposite.
More people are leaving. California, then are moving and more elevating limit, but the reality is they have failed because of his left, this ideology and the choice for america's this. What
bite in harris and new some want to do is take the california model and do that nationally. In florida we show that conservative principles work. This country must choose freedom over failure
is what a good conservative candidate looks like, and here is given new some on the other side going after rhonda santas suggesting falsely that whose banning books six books have been banned.
Just last year on IRAN, dissenters, leadership, a lovely
is pulling this out. I've seen this he's been doing this all of the campaigns for what's wrong with Toni Morrison's books. It's not banned. What's wrong, it's not true matt. What's wrong with the man, a gorman's, not brilliant poetry, one thousand four hundred
There is one thousand loud and six but cosmic or have been banned on your banning bench in the state of florida is not, of course,
true, but have not been banned in the state of lord of the only question is whether there are books that are inappropriate for a fifth or sixth graders. The don't belong in junior high libraries to senses responded by actually put
out a sheet of a book called you
nuclear and showing what it looks like in a public school, obviously newsome.
Defend. That here was the science is doing just that. What is the role of the role the schools to educate? Kids, not indoctrinate kids, it's not to impose an agenda.
to do the basics, and what we said in Florida is its inappropriate to tell a kindergartner that their gender is a choice. It's an appropriate
tell second greater that they may have been born in the wrong body now. California has that they want to have that injected into the elements
school, my wife and I have a seven five in a three year old. We don't think that that's appropriate. I know most parents do not think it appropriate. It's also
important respect parental rights to know what curriculum is being used in the classroom and everything should be age appropriate, actually have something that I brought that some parents have objected
If this is a book, that's in some of the schools in California florida. This is not consistent with our standards called gender queer eye. It's some of it's blacked out. You would not probably be able to put this on air. This is pornography, it's cartoons, it's aimed at children and it's wrong. So this should not be
in schools, when people like on the left say that somehow you're banning books by removing this from a young kids classroom. No, this is not age. A pro
yet and so working to stand for the rights of parents. I think we need to do that. Nation
I don't think you can have a situation where some states is trample on the rights of parents,
parents have a fundamental right to direct the education and upbringing of their kind
then there is excellent stuff there from rhonda, santa's newsome also tried
after the chance by claiming that the santa's lockdown florida, also
well technically claiming by the way that he was far too loose in his covered policies whose taking these sort of donald trump
around a sense that he was simultaneously to harsh into loose uncovered. Let's talk about your record covert,
You pass an emergency declaration before the state, a california did you close down. You be
Does your bars your restaurants? It's a fact video,
teens quarantines yet checkpoint.
all over this data of florida. By the way, I didn't say that now
played you out on this dead right. You did that we followed science.
weiler, fouche not always followed side, is that we should follow suit, factual y know. Anyone leave on promoting lord antony were openly were promoting vaccines. You even war, and I ask it
there's a guy or club if its. If it's ok with you will do, if I were you
What are we, though? They don't know where we both can have a real opportunity so long you poor or now dialogue. I am dying to let a breeze, tat or twenty one are. You did all advantage until he decided to fall prey to the fringe of his party and, as a consequence of that,
on tens of thousands of people lost their lives for the equivalent. If I add to your policies, the equipment-
and not a loved. Tens of thousands of people lost their lives and for what reason.
So in the same line of attack. Newsome is suggesting that this has locked down the state and then he suggesting that he should not have locked down, but also he should have locked it down
This house has responded by clocking newsome on his own record, uncovered on a per capita age, adjusted basis, californian for
Basically the same now. Why is that important? Because
Evan newsome did huge damage to people in california.
He ruined livelihoods? We reopen
the state very quickly. We save thousands of jobs. We say hundreds at that, hundreds, thousands of jobs, thousands of businesses. We had our kids in school. He had the kids locked out of school
the teachers union that is having a generational impact. California is one of the
Lois literacy rates in the country and the most recent nape exam florida came in number three four fourth grade reading California was far far behind, so you should apologise for not.
In your kids illegal. Why didn't you get the kids in school in the summer of twenty twenty like we do only bowed and they can t do only person do the job you shot. I.
his hands. He went on to roast governors
we're going to the french laundry unmasked. While everybody else was locked, Nana couldn't go to restaurant. I remember because.
a time I was still living, California, that the Martha's vineyard transport, Martha's vineyard said it was a sanctuary jurisdiction
kind of reminds me about Gavin newsome when he restricted california,
and then he went to the french laundry. These liberal leads they like to impose
burdens on you. They don't want to have to face the consequences of their actions. We ve got a lot of elites who want open border
let our everybody else about it in a minute. They have to deal with any of the consequences. Oh man,
oh hell, breaks, loose correction. I had already moved from California to florida like
tens of thousands of other people to see its also added the nuisance home city of san francisco, where newsome was mayor and he pledged clean up san francisco
he pointed out that was covered in human poop and
proceeds to show it wouldn't work. In a total time governor,
yeah, I didn't, I didn't needs it. This is a map of san Francisco. There's a lot of the on that. You may be asking what is that plotting? Well, this is an app where they plot the human feces
that are found on the streets of san francisco and you see how almost the whole thing is covered, because that is what has happened and wanted
previous greatest cities. This country's ever had human face
it is now a fact of life, except when a communist dictator comes the town, then they cleaned up,
streets, they line the streets with chinese flies,
absolutely correct. San Francisco is full
crap and so is Gavin newsom. Perhaps this answers finest moments when you called nuisance vision of liberty, noting that by Libby
a governess and generally men taking power away from parents, especially in the area of genuine sexuality in california,
you're parent in iowa, our new hampshire, south carolina interior minor child can go to california.
without your knowledge or without your consent, and get hormone therapy puberty blocker
in a sex change operation. All with
you knowing or consenting how in the heck, is
Well, you know what honouring parents rights when you're bringing people format estate to go around their parents backs and getting less
altering surgeries? That is right?
called laundries care. That is an assault right. You know what ok all of this right here.
The debate america deserves,
you know it of eight overseer is policy differences and governance, styles and abate about california versus florida debate over the future of the country, but it is,
The debate america needs right now. The debate-
can he needs right now is a debate over one simple topic: why are we gonna get Biden versus
from a likelihood. Why should america be faced with the prospect of an election in which
with candidates are elderly and fading in which both can
Our wildly unpopular with the american electrical binds approval rating is currently forty point. Six percent in the real, clear politics pulling average down trumps.
Forty one point, one percent and in which both candidates can
serve one more term in office. Why is that the fate of america?
The other is actually pretty simple for the Democrats.
the party bosses remaining control of the levers of power for the republicans. The party bosses aren't in controls of leavers of power
Democrats right now are cramming down Joe Biden on their own base, but they also control the power
which means that candidates like newsome morn admits running. Even ownership is pretty
is running
many simultaneously running, just in case Joe Biden, should kill over or fall down the stairs too hard? The scientists pointed that out last night appointment rate is two point: eight percent
There are times when they. Why? Because it's a command and control economy, they have a political agenda that they are pursuing.
Second question: people on the question of jobs. I think it's important. You know what that is that in a way that affects thereby in
straight in the last three years. Does not master lies in january and I require nine percent. I thought this was a slave versus stay report, but is about the united states of america thought this guy was running for president united states. If you aren't you just wandering about for a year data just lying in wait, it very well not admit it her minor guy gentlemen, nature and why we can't ok. So that's true, but
on the other hand, got the republican party where Donald trump leads in the real carparks polling average.
I leaps and bounds in every primary trump is
As always, I nearly every sign of every issue. This is his stock in trade. He's pro life is responsive.
For the overturning of rovers wade and his pro,
we talk about abortion, we should come comes generalised consensus, he's probably alarm you literally
championed a be endorsement two days ago, and
and I'd be alone,
pro isolationism and pro interventionism he's pro entitlements in these anti deficits. Number
we seem to matter. That is why newsome slamming the senses during the debate by suggesting that trumps nomination is a foregone conclusion. There are profoundly
princess tonight and I look forward and gave him, but there's one thing in closing that we have, in
and is neither of us will be the nominee for our party in twenty twenty four there is, he is doing the work of joy
I know was it. Maybe newsome is wrong. Maybe two senses pulls off
iran. Maybe he wins iowa and he switches the momentum. Maybe Nikki haley pulls it off
The odds right now are not in their favour, but if the election does not being from
Biden rather than say, dances, verses, newsome, maybe we need
If the original question and ask what is the debate
erica deserves, and what does the debate america needs it?
america needs is a debate over whether we even have a debate at all in this country, anymore, weather or even came
of doing normal debate in this country anymore, whether we are
polarize the debate? Somehow you don't actually matter the only
The matters is how we manage our divorce. Sure
you don't deserve a serious political debate because work in unserious people in a very serious time.
don't deserve a real debate on policy, because we ve, given up on such debates, held together in favour of need. Your sentiments about our fellow americans, or maybe just maybe the problem
even deeper than that. Maybe the problem is that, after decades
radicalism from the american left usurpation of institutional power by that left in corporate amerika on the courts in the media,
it's too late for any compromise. We brooks or any true
brokered, maybe
about policy, maybe both sides just have a mutual view in mind. If that is the case, that should be the debate. What exactly do we have in common? What can bring us together? What is
Erica really all about what maintains america have to answer that question before we get some policy questions until we.
That question the defences newsome debate will not be the debate we need, and it certainly
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Worse of the last twenty four hours Hamas took credit
for a shooting in Jerusalem, in which at least four people were killed. Sixteen people were wounded
was two brothers from east jerusalem are claimed as devotees by Hamas,
got out of their car and literally just open fire with m16 on a bunch of people who are standing. There now
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when killing civilians is exactly the same thing as terrorist, getting out at a bus, stop like a bust up in our neighborhood and shooting people
which is precisely what happened in Jerusalem says: violation of the cease fire number one and then last night Hamas began firing rockets again at israel because effectively they have run out of hostages that they are willing to hand over to Israel,
I time because the house
is where left our israeli.
a cherry or women or children,
either dad nurse bodies at this point or have been raped, mutilated or
never the story, maybe be Hamas is me
very clear what they are and once again the world is trying to
pretend that Hamas is not what it is. According to the uncle of a couple of the hostages or
was sixteen. Any gall Yakov was twelve quote. They took the lead them. Each child taken hostage and
burn them with the exhaust of a motorcycle to mark them in case they ran away, so they could find them. They were drugged so that as they did they they I mean this is like at auschwitz,
bore tattooed in order to make sure that the nazis knew who people were when Hamas kidnap children,
They immediately burn them with the exhaust pipe of motorcycles.
In order to brand them. If they ran away, they can be quickly identified in recaptured by Hamas. Meanwhile, we are being tree
two hostage, videos of garden be boss. Your dane is the father
a family that was slaughtered by Hamas. It are taken, can
There cannot be played the video yesterday there can kidnapping his mom and two young children, we're talking bulky four year old and a ten month old,
most of says that they're dead commodities
being that there were killed in his really airstrike, which may very well be true, because Hamas took them to the Gaza strip in there would have been no air strikes in the Gaza strip of commerce and taken them in the first place and then there
these two hostage, video of dad
who has just been told that his family are all dead,
This is what Hamas is truly evil human
some of debris, garbage human beings
here was a little bit of the hostage video, which is common propaganda, of course,
The you destroyed my family and my children. Everything I had my life,
Then you can bring me and I'm home,
and they will be buried in Israel
I'm begging, you bring me, and my wife
and my children home page
met their bodies. At this point, this is who commerce is, and these
apparently the people that the american laughed and much the internationalist wants to protect as a power in the Gaza strip.
and ads of golly down a dual americans really citizen who is taken hostage in return for days. If you
Before being released, said her niece
one piece of peter bread per day with four other captives
I have a shower bath for fifty days according to the
and the five hostages were kept in above ground apartments changing locations at least once apparently, her hair was cut off, choose covered completely in life. One of the hostages was here
in the attic of a member of the EU and our w way.
And then this is who come ass are
this zoo Mozart.
Plus, we now have video of commerce and and tape of Hamas, stealing humanitarian aid. Here's a picture from one of the hamas tunnels and, as you will see, it is completely filled
with humanitarian aid workers in their that revealed.
Nobody wishes to shoot the
that is you and are that we re bags fuel,
canisters in the Hamas tunnel, where you us of his coming from meanwhile Hamas leader, Yasin wire
who is a person who was released in the last hosted exchange that Israel did for gilad Shalit there at least one hundred at one thousand and twenty seven prisoners, and he was released
as one of those prisoners. He is now the head of military operation of Hamas. Israel's
his life, your brain cancer, and then they
least him in here.
This hell upon them. So he
Now it s called the leaders of the occupation should know october. Seventh was just a rehearsal. Meanwhile, Hamas official was on with them aid.
Tik. Tok youtube personnel, an in built, more bashar and explaining
ass is going to launch more attacks against Israel, no other and become
Ella sit the train,
resources are the interviewer saying if you could go back in time to sex, would you still doing tonight or something
These are some come down from us political bureau. Why,
people assume we would go back in our acts of resistance. Let them- and you have no regretful,
I felt that regret for shattering it, an entire division of the occupation army until the end of your hull and then start
it said that if the israelis will that need about this, we want to come
for all the prisoners are released from israeli prisons
you carry out another operation. The october did it
can you promise another october seventh at monica? I can
instead of that, a war of liberation is coming not just another october sensors and clearly out loud that this is going to come
you said, I don't think it's far off meanwhile come on
put out. A statement is before they broke the cease fire a world
and called to mobilise in support of Gaza this friday, saturday and sunday, what we call
them to mobilise all their popular means to rejecting denounced the crimes and maskers committed by the.
nazi occupation, to call for an end to it
There are good, russian and decades long occupation we
them to be emboldened by the strength of palestinian right in the justice and legitimacy of our struggle,
I also appeal to them they to maintain all forms of solidarity and support all forms which presumably would include violence, so
again Hamas. His intentions are clear: they violated the ceasefire, and so Israel has now resumed its campaign in the Gaza strip
and while the united states continues to want, have it both ways because
again. This is a weak administration and they continue to make signals to the world's poorest people that may
if they continue to hide behind civilians? Israel will stop so antony blinkin decide,
to go back to jerusalem to lecture the israeli government on how to conduct the war he said quote.
You can't operate in southern gaza in the way you did in the north. There are too many
palestinians there need needs, have accurate fewer people from their homes, be more accurate in the attacks, and, if not,
not to attack where there is a civilian population. What does your system of operation the idea of chief resumes curtsey? How levy
He said we follow a number of principles: proportionality, distinction, the wars, the laws of war. There were instances where he attacked on the basis of those principles and the
this, where we decided not to attack, because we waited for a better opportunity. This all led to this astonishing interchange,
the defence minister, you go on said quote. The entire israeli society is united behind the goal of dismantling hamas, even if it takes months and blinked
supposedly said quote? I dont think you have the credit for that. What the hell is that
Many of the credit which Emily international moral credit is our
talking about right here? What sort of credit doesn't
require in order to destroy a terrorist enemy bent on its own annihilation, who have kidnapped he'll babies.
What exactly? What? What precisely is the moral credit required in
Do what is necessary to protect your own citizens at an absurdity from it.
Antony blinking and again it's all these mixed signals that are being said, Anthony blinkin simultaneously yesterday you
any visited with palestinian authority press.
Mahmoud Abbas, a holocaust denial and garbage human being in ramallah, and he treated quote. I reiterated
The? U s commitment to advancing the establishment of the palestinian states just to get this correct. Hamas attacks and slaughters twelve hundred people
and takes no two hundred forty hostage half those people end up dead and the reaction of tony blinking and joy,
Biden is, maybe palestinians deserve a state.
I was wondering how that incentive structure is supposed to work, so another
the more terrorist violence you create, the more
sure on Israel to make concessions to you and your allies could make no mistake in this particular
The key is Hamas. The PA has never condemned october. Seventh, the aim
tried to claim that it was Israel that was responsible for deaths on october, seven.
and meanwhile ya, tony blink and making overtures department boss. It's ridiculous!
blinking yesterday saying there can't be any more massive loss of civilian life again if somebody could provide some sort of man?
one that is could use to distinguish hamas from these civilian surrounding them or Hamas, by the way from like the eighteen year old guys
we members of Hamas, but who are carrying guns and you're, not wearing uniforms. I'm sure
It will be happy to hear about this magic wand, otherwise
the empty verbiage designer what reducing tensions, but, ironically,
increased tensions. It's the same, exacting you see in britain or britain will take down menorah in the name of reducing community tensions that
Jews, community tensions just give strength to a radical enemy. Her sewing
conventions that meetings today with the prime minister and senior israeli officials. I made clear that
before Israel resumes major military operations, it must put in place humanitarian civilian protection plans that minimize further casualties of innocent palestinians. That means taking more effective steps to protect the lives of civilians, including by clearly and precisely designating areas and places in southern and central gaza, where they
be safe and out of the line of fire. It means avoiding further significant displacement of civilians inside of Gaza. It means avoiding damage to life, critical infrastructure like hospitals, like power stations like water facilities, and it means giving civilians who have been displaced, the southern gaza, the choice to return to the north as soon as conditions permit. There must be
no enduring internal displacement, no enduring internal displacement. Ok, I'll ideas. Welcome! I welcome except the idea, the mouth,
going to able to run this thing by the way, arab diplomats alike. Are you kidding me.
Article in times of Israel. Today, arab diplomats from sadie
way. Egypt everywhere else. There, like on modern abbas, can't even control the west bank. What the hell are you talking about Mahmoud Abbas is going to control Gaza after this is all over. That's ridiculous also when he says,
to prevent more internal displacement. Then how does he
civilians to be protected. If you can't
l a civilian to move from one area to another. She can hit the target how
Actually are going to hit the target unless the idea is that Israel's, not suppose you hit the target. All of this is is just ridiculous
and it can contribute to a lengthening of the war, is going to contribute to more hamas attacks more
hamas rocket fire more hamas, embedding among civilians in all. This is because there is just a
failure of imagination on the left when it comes to foreign policy will get to that momentarily. First,
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on daily wire dotcom. Ok, meanwhile, the vacillation and cowardice that you're, seeing by the political left in the united states when it comes to Israel versus Hamas and mirrored by that same sort of
vision and cowardice when it comes to foreign policy, more generally
why there is an entire peace by Ben.
Woods today, the former deputy national security adviser, whose nickname I'm not kidding you there's, but by having trouble where talked about this apparently
Name in the white house, because we so anti Israel was Hamas not now drop that serious thing. He wrote a piece in the new york times in which he
goes after Henry Kissinger. Now, as I said yesterday about Henry kissinger is death there, a lot of things to quit.
henry kissinger over you can say that he made short term place at the expense of want from interest ape. With regard to china, you can say that he green let regimes that would come at human rights atrocities, but
Because the alternative was a soviet take over of that particular area where you make all these claims, but what then roads,
as is something deeper. He critiques Kissinger's general.
Foreign policy understanding on the basis of the
can he used right novels about his cat from brooklyn apartment and knows nothing and then roads is sick. He's worthy dumbest people,
american politics and has been for years. So what?
jack he's, been roads, foreign policy vision. He says that the conduct of global affairs has to be about maintaining, maintaining image. He says,
you can choose to see unexploded bombs, is the inevitable tragedy of the conduct of global affairs from a strategic stand,
Mr Kissinger surely knew that being a superpower carried with
a cavernous margin of error that can be forgiven by history-
propellers you what they must. The wheel of history turns. We
when and where he lived determines whether you get crushed or lifted by it, but that worldview mistakes, cynicism or realism for wisdom, the story, what it's all about matters,
Ultimately, the berlin wall came down not because of chess moves made on a board of great game, but rather because people in these wanted to live like people in the west economics, popular culture, social movements mattered. Despite our
as we had a better system in story, so in other words the reason that the berlin wall fell. According to me
on Ben roads is that we had
the and genes? And that no
how's policy moves you made anywhere in here made any difference at all, which is weird
is depriving the soviet union of nearly all foreign policy resources, as well as bankrupting their economy with our defence spending is what actually brought down the berlin wall. It was in fact, a pro western foreign policy that existed in many
of the earth and helped bring down the soviet union. But according to
according to Ben roads. It's all about credibility is credibility is not just about whether you punish an adversary to send a message to another, its
about whether you are what you say you are no one can expect perfection in the affairs
state, any more than in relations among human beings, but the united states has paid a price for its hypocrisy. So what exactly is that price,
Here's where been roads goes to amazing. He says around.
Well, you see a resurgence of autocracy and at no nationalism most
We in russia's war against ukraine. Now you might cedars of wait a second russia that
Ben ukraine, while Donald trump was president russia invading ukraine, while Joe Biden was president in russia.
did crimea and the donbass while Barack obama was president, and it turns out that america
credibility on foreign policy matters
not more than the virtues signalling people, I've been roads. You might say that
going Ben rhodes. No! No! No! It's only because people like donald trump in the united states that russia, invader, ukraine, we're dake
says bought in Gaza. The united states has supported israeli military operation that is killed civilians at a pace that as well
again suggested to much of the world that we are selected in
breach of international laws and norms. Oh yeah, that's that's why the middle east is filled with people who hate the united states must be because
well, is being to unbridled in its use of military power, because until
till the seventh?
Everything was hunky. Dory in middle east actually is
It is amazing in middle east events, more pressure on Israel.
it's not as though more pressure on Israel incentivize come under Joe Biden.
It's not as a more pressure on Israel. The iran incentivize by divine demonstration had any impact. This comes from a perverse
of how the world works, so the foreign policy world. How should we view foreign policy very simple principle? If you want of eu foreign policy in one sentence
We have to decide. Do you think the world on a foreign policy level? Is a prison yard or is it a playground
is it a prisoner. Nor is it a playground if you think, as I,
That is a prison. You are. That means a few things. First, the world is a violent and contentious place. It is Wallis is governed by both interest.
An ideology and really, in the end, is governed by raw power, economic power, military power. These things actually matter because its prison yard and insult filled a lot of
bad people. There are some people who are in prison. Aren't you are there because, through no fault of their own, there
people who are actually good in this particular prisoner, but it's a prison yard. It's a lot of people who hate each other and one
fight each other and have very very adversarial interests. Second, foreign powers,
he is a series of bad choices between awful alternatives. There are very
Amazing choices in foreign policy. It turns
the very often you have a choice between allying with the soviets and losing tattler, for example,
that's what happens in foreign policy all the time.
and to pretend otherwise is to be ignorant of how foreign policy actually works. Third
one country's adversaries have their own math, they have their
interest in their own priorities. It's not as though
have no agency and that united
does a thing and then it's all blow back. Maybe in the united states has its interests, and maybe the salaries have their own interests make these railways have their own interests. Maybe the british have learned
Maybe the russians have their interests.
Each and have their own interests, and maybe they pay
do those interests, regardless of what the united states is doing or not doing. That would be a
more accurate description of how you work in your everyday life
We always assume
if you are on the left, that only american exit, like everyone is sitting around thinking about what Barack Obama thinks about the world as opposed to what they want to do today and finally,
Refusing to engage with the world is not a real possibility. The united states was lulled into that.
sense of security, because for the first half of the united states existence, Britain was the global hedge,
not the united states and that guaranteed
freedom of the seas, for example, and we benefited from Britain's ownership of disease through free trade,
through british nomination of a lot of foreign areas through
it's coming influence in one
its colonial holdings? And then britain started to collapse?
a lot of those colonial holdings, the worldly him
more dangerous place, and the united states filled the gap? And now people are well what if we just stopped filling,
yeah. Well, then, you'd get chaos because remember the only
isn't that the app was well before is because there was another global hegemony. If the united states doesn't do it right now, who do you think is going to do it? Do you think that just becomes a power vacuum,
he's gonna feel that power vacuum you'll know the answer its china is not britain. Now, France, now germany be china, and yet
Oh it, but according been roads again, he basic idea here is the reverse foreign policy. The world into playground filled with wonder.
Children who just want to make friends with you and if you hand out enough chocolate and candies, and if you make friends with them,
if you put a rainbow stick on your backpack, they will look,
you so so so much there. Just good people, like you,
deep down at heart. What they really need is jobs and friendship, and that's going to people who have a completely adverse
world view to yours in this particular view
America is the only actor in the world.
You're, the only one in matters and if america shows its example by just being super nice of time,
I never engaging in foreign policy and never making hard decisions and never building up it's own power and never doing this. Everyone will look at the units. They'll see what a nice person you know, what a great play
The united states is, I wish we were like them and then they'll just voluntarily give up their power it'll. Be amazing. If you believe this, it's because you are stupid person,
but the basic idea from Ben roads, and many ironically on these sort of isolationist right
No one else on planet earth has agency ever discussion.
You're from isolationist is about how,
No one has agency except the united states. America did a thing. Therefore, another country did the thing, never the other.
Do you think? Maybe we reacted to them.
That country was airline with a country that we dont like very much and growing in power.
and running our interests. Or maybe we had react. The blame on there.
First grab exist on both sides of the ilo and it's all based again annette centralized
but which is that america could withdraw from the world and just be a light under the nation, to sort of example, without ever engaging in world politics. That is not true,
it's ridiculous. It assumes number one. The world is a playground and number two. Even if the world isn't a playground that the united states has the option for drawing within our own borders and there'll be no impact on the united states, which I'm sorry
it is not true. I wish I withdrew. It happens not to be true in this
the west has to play dead in order make room for everybody else,
people who hold this particular worldview and they range from the radical
as I say, to these sort of isolationist right we'll get to that in just one second. First, the october fifteen, the two
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view of the world this wrong view of the world. Just a family of nations, where we're all best friends and all it requires is for us to access the best angels of our nature in order to operate in this prison yard, and everyone
this will bloom everywhere, one of people who push it
All the time is the boat gap. As everyone knows this point, I am not a fan of pope Francis. I think that he is a disgrace to his position.
Perfectly frank with you. I think that he says things that are anti biblical on the regular and I'm not talking about anti biblical from a jewish point of view, I'm not a catholic. Obviously I disagree with gestalt catholicism. Otherwise I would I would be a catholic, but I'm not the one who believes this. I would say a vast majority of conservative catholics believe the pope
this has abandoned many of the churches, crucial missions, including bay,
lie: morality in favour of a globalist view of the world. That is all
environmentalist in environmentalism and left wing redistribution, ism over actual eternal meaning things and programmes.
What that means. The very often is engaging in exactly the kind of moral equivalence that you would see from the radical left. So you
that yesterday apparently as bombs valentine's day,
very deep into Gaza. Late october is really present.
as occurs on how they call would pull france's. Apparently
Zog was describing his nations horror over october, seven and france, and quote it is forbidden
respond to terror with terror, which is just the grossest thing ever
me that a super gross, because Israel was not responding.
whatever visual wantage, wipe every civilian in gaza off the planet. It certainly has,
military power to do so, it did not, and it wasn't seeking to herzog said hold up
doing is trying to defend our own people, the folks at those rules
what should be held accountable, but not civilians. That, of course, is ready
was because Hamas is hiding among civilians. If Israel could distinguish between the two
Well that make everybody's life super easy, but that's why Hamas is not allowing them to do so, a pair
according to the washington post, that private call it in
warm is really interpretations of france's polemic statement at his november twins
second general audience in Saint Peter square that the conflict is gone quote gone
on war. This is terrorism.
senior official from Israel said the pope was calling
the campaign, an act of terrorism. How else could be interpreted and then the vatican's
clarify what they met, which is again that the way that francis works, you will say something radically left and then, when called upon,
clarify what he's anger. I don't need to clarify. There's no need to clarify in this stems from a perverse worldview
which apparently just surrendering to evil makes evil likely to become good. That is a lie, and it's not true and their people who use that their people who were present
willing to use that mentality, the rat radicals
misuse this all the time, rashid quality, for example, good friend of broccoli?
your remember that time. It Barack Obama
she pleaded in event together leading up to two thousand eight and was on tape, enemy
completely buried at the early times had the tape there. Fused really
it because they want to break up to be pressed.
And were she'd quality. As spokesperson for the Palestine liberation organization at one point well, quality apparent
declined to say on thursday that Israel had either illegal or immoral rights respond militarily to the command terror attack committee said the question is its framing
the problem that has been under siege for sixteen years and goes on and on and on about how basis
Israel does not have the ability to respond to a terror attacks again, not a shock. Coming from articles
honest and left sides with that, because left is either foolish or corrupt memo their people on the right, who are
while simultaneously doing much the same thing like a group
libertarian right, who sound very much like no, I'm chomsky on left sound very much
Bernie sanders on foreign policy, I dont
what to make of that other than their just wrong. So Tucker karlsson, yesterday,
he, he did a show with a comedian. I am
and this meeting, I guess a libertarian and tugging karlsson- was
working with this guy, and these guys are ripping unwilling buckley and it led to this kind of odd exchange. Whenever this atrophy didn't like,
intelligence of the american people. It's I think it's,
accelerating I mean it's a look and again just like you said about disclaimers wealth well time, but people I don't necessarily like. Like I view bill, buckley is one one of great villains of the twentieth century. I think you were ruined, I couldn't you re more by, but he was a clearly very also cia
but he was also very intelligent, guy and witty and was not speaking down to his audience
I may again talkers retention broadcaster and, I think tuckers mark. I am just wondering why, like I would love
and to export aid why he thinks bill. Buckley was one of the worst forces of the twentieth century. Debbie go to know in bill, buckley was mushroom,
And conservative of the twentieth century now
We may not like national if you're right now. He certainly like writing for the back in the ninety sometimes, but he
he he may not like them right now. That's fine! He doesn't have to agree with the editors over at national review. I'm just wondering why buckley, why buckley, because what buckley was mostly famous for was forging
the famous three legged stool of conservatism, social conservatism, which I assume tucker agrees with. In fact, I know Tucker's agrees that fiscal conservatism, which is about free markets where Tucker pretty dicey,
in foreign policy, where buckles position was a sort of realist, anti soviet position. What which parts to stop
I disagree with I'd, be very curious to know a very curious to know, because
from libertarian right. The disagreement with buckley is, I'm so
we'll conservatism, we're tucker, I believe, agrees buckley and on foreign policy, which is largely again. These,
of amerika is to blame for every war that has ever been happening on planet earth position since world war, two
maybe including world war too. So I
I actually curious to know we're Tucker has on this sort of stuff. I actually it's unclear at this point, I am curious.
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