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Ep. 1795 - WHO WON FIGHT NIGHT #1?

2023-08-24 | 🔗

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This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
Fisticuffs, abound as non from Republicans fight each other in the first republican debate, and we great all the participants and price to counter program that debate, which karlsson, his brothers, his bench barrel, today show sponsored by express vpn you, like a web history being seen and sold to advertisers? No me neither get express vpn right now express vpn, dot com, slash ban whenever there's a big debate, the big question, will have his who won and who lost, but to understand who won in who lost. You first have to discuss what the metrics are for winning and losing, because you can win a debate and it can mean very little or you can lose a debate and can end your campaign. So the question for which of the candidates on the stage in last night's first republican debate, was what is the goal in order stand what the goal was for each candidate, no great them in terms they achieve their goals. We can also great them in terms of what we person we thought of them. In terms of truth, honest the policy in order to re them. On that basis, we first have to assess the state of the race going into the debate and to
stand where the race was going into the debate. You first have undergone, and the republican party is not actually a cohesive sing, the consumer at this point is not a cohesive movement. There's an ant left umbrella under the anti left umbrella. There are several groups inside the republican party. people divide these groups, six ways for nato and of the new york times. I've seen them divided a couple of ways there divided. However, into two groups: the core assumptions going into the republican primaries by a lot of politicos. Is that basically two groups, the programmes, any anti trump. Maybe three the programmes, the anti and lukewarm frumps? That's not really accurate in rio in this republican primary. I believe that there are four lanes right now. There are four lines and the question is you occupy motor one of those lanes and be the top person and multiple of those lanes you're going to have to do that in order to challenge president trump who's running away with the primaries right now by forty points nationally and he's winning. Yes still in iowa, he is winning in new Hampshire and every other state, so
to understand. Where the re stood and what people are trying to accomplish onstage, unless we first have to look at where we stand in the race right now. So I put together this chart to sort of explained the various lanes and where the candidates stood before last night's debate. So there italy for ladys in this republican primary way, number one people who absolutely love president from the trumpets and its like percent of their public and party. They love him its rider die he's there. Guy gets one. Percent of the gnp that'd the traditional gnp, based begged the reagan conservatives, people who, the three legged stool of conservatism, social conservatism. go conservatism. small government free trade and foreign policy hawkish knows about it the traditional Gee third group it'd be liberal wing is be like, can never tempers and chris Christie wing and finally of the trump adjacent. These are people at twenty percent of the party who liked from like that they did like him. Now it is policies that was the president, but
They understand their serious concerns about his presidential run, whether its statements. Whether it is his bizarre, habits hundred social, whether it is commentary whether its accessing he hasn't suburban whatever it is. These are people who, like I did what from did, who mail am I can personally, but they also are not totally sold the trump is the guy for twenty twenty four and twenty percent of the party. So let's, through each of these candidates and where they stood going into the debate last night's debate, so rhonda answers is currently in second place in the national point with the trumpeters he earns. He is the way that I waited the sort of stuff everybody's on an a to f scale from gets an a plus in the trump category, because he's trump and as the from categories he gets in plus he's the only person gets an in any category hey, but everybody on an age of in asia for bees were three issues were to deal with one in athens worth zero and then we
Did it out, according to the size of these particular groups, so rhonda santa's among trumpeters, going into the debate he's like a be they like, like a thing, is fine. You saw but it's not from among traditional gnp types descent is currently at a bee among Members of the so called liberal wing, this I've never from side to santa like a d among trumpet jason crowd here those the people love from, but you know they could see somebody else, which means that he had to be in three categories and d in one other, vague swami has enabled tempers. Now that is great. For him in the sense that, like the term people really really like him, I mean a lot for him being vice president. Were a cabinet secretary, but we're going to beat trump among the troopers he's got. An aiming trump has got the d among the traditional glp, because he takes a lot of heterodox positions and seems to show with wind, based on ask him questions whether it is nine eleven conspiracies or whether it is ukraine.
Climate change. Yet a liberal which hates vague, They never troubling he's, got an f with them and then among the trump adjacent he's gotten a right now. this is where momentum has been flowing from dissent? Is too vague in the trumpet resuming the people who like like trump but they could see somebody else. Vivek has been doing well. Those peoples gonna with those people tat means getting with the farmers in the trunk adjacent and he's failing the traditional gnp and though and the left wing of the party might pence has, into categories the trumpet from adjacent they hate him and among the gb he's got a b because again regional geo, because it likes from from groups on pens, he's gotta be an amount we never the never trump was there. She don't like pens on policy, but they like that trump hates him and he's gotta be with them. Nikki haley in those four groups. She's got a d with trumpery, didn't like a cushion running in europe, among the traditional gnp. She does well she's got in a going in probably among the ever from when the party she's got a b
the kind of like her than lover, but they re kind of like her among the trump adjacent she hasn't it. and they they they're, also not super fond of nikki haley. They think that she is quote unquote a neo con and all the rest of it. Hey TIM Scott basically in the race, for no reason, TIM scott Nice guy now It is a new momentum, no nothing among tempers he's, a c or a d among the official gpc liberal wings? As he from adjacent he as he like, basically you like a wheel at all. A term is fine there and then Chris Christie He is an f among from de among the official gb you know like in, because the way that he treated Barack Obama and all the rest is getting with the trump adjacent ahead is got, and among the never from greece gun eggs, you you've got one lane and then you got trump from himself. as in a plus what the trappers he's gonna- from adjacent, is gonna, be with regional gnp. It's only than ever. Farmers who hate him, everybody else either loves the guy or, the guy to varying degrees in order for any candidate to defeat donald trump. In order for that to happen,
the only way that that is going to happen is if They consolidate the other three none from wings of the party. So what's the europeans, you wanna, be donald trump and donald trump right now, has the troopers locked up by thirty five percent of the party, and you need to get. tina to person race, which it does not, which part the problem you wanted to consolidate Do they want it? Sixty five percent of the party is up for grabs, well you'd certainly need pick up the never trembling about twenty percent of the party. and you need one probably eighty percent of the threshold yogi and you get a lot of those people I believe the down from his, not the guy, which means you need win them over with our traditional geo pete positions record all there and then you would still have to win her of the trumpet adjacent they have to take all the number from wing at you percent. If take twenty forty five percent from the official gb and you still have to win half the propagation. That is it a pill road. Now, the only candidate who is scoring at all all three of those groups, the
We candidates for scoring at all among those three groups, the trump adjacent liberal wing and the traditional gnp, our hailing and enchanted, the others are doing well like one of the categories to say This campaign initially seemed fair while position for this possible challenge right, he seemed like you might be getting an a with the traditional gb among them number two. Is it like a b and among the well adjacent use at like in a So there is a possibility he might have been able to consolidate the end, from forces. That really has not happened Which is why hidden losing momentum, because right now he seems like he's. The second choice for everybody, Traditional geo appears he is a barrier post, you Nicky Hayley, whose like an a among the trump adjacent, easy to be, as opposed to the vague who said, nay. Among never troubling you behind right. Now, Christie, an hayley infants, probably So when you look at the initial gps of these candidates going into the race, what you see is Donald trump way out in front with, like a three point: three, when you like a weighted average here and when you yet rawness answers he's it
when you have awaited aggregate rather yet three point three for for trump, when you look at dissenters, he's a two point: six they just trailing image. You point four five, you nicky two point, one five. If Scott won, Six five pencil one point: three: five chrissy at one point: five, now explain the entire dynamic of the rates, because momentum, as will discuss, is really How can you win one of these lanes? One of the ways you generate momentum is by winning one of lanes, then building on that right now, vague is doing really well with the trump adjacent which is building. On that it seems to have momentum. Christie seems to have momentum because he hasn't momentum with the ever from one of the party hayley had used debates give momentum, but this to find where the candidates are going into the racist anti, basically just wants to hold steady. That's his goal hold steady as we as we look at that time by the way I'm an x in just saying. Second, what everybody's goal is going into the debate by looking at that chart. First, let's talk about the fact that your cellphone it's in desperate need of replacement, as you
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in order to understand whatever these goals for debate number one hour, If you look at this jar, what you see again to say this is in second place, but he's kind of stagnant with all the with all these groups refuge in second place in all of these groups in three groups is gonna, be among the never somebody's gotta be his. your plan was he was going, his score like a with the trumpeters, and then he was going to scorn a with pretty much everybody else now The thousand be the idea that does not happen. right now, because the santa's was in a slide his for this debate and because he's in second place was just to avoid the spotlight. Actually, his goal was to live another day. not want last night to be a red wedding the time when he just completely collapsed on the stage as see. I think that you largely surely accomplish that vague school If you continue to, gain attention to be a lightning rod. That was his goal on the stage he's doing really well with the trump adjacent he knows. You're gonna do nothing with another tremors
and you know, he's not gonna, do anything with traditional gnp, which again is why he's really running for president he's running for down from vice president. For a cabinet position or for a opposition, he knows not taken, wave in from, and that wasn't go last night. His go last night was too We too great a with the trump adjacent by gaining momentum with those people, and he if accomplish haggle last night, for my pants. Hence really knows that does have a shot at the presidency, but he feels that he has to run because he has to preserve his legacy as a person who stood up The deportations donald trump between, november in january and sort of traditional online republican politician how you do ass. He basically cheap fiscal Nicky Hayley. Her goal was, I need a lane and I need to actually shows for some momentum in wine Nicky. Haley's will see. Actually I perform last night and actually achieve achievable tim scott
quixotic figure, I'm not sure why he's in the rice is not his moment. I'm not he has moment is incredibly soft spoken he's not aggressive it seems like a very nice person. he does not have any teeth, and so there no goal for him to achieve, and so he succeeded in not achieving a goal. I suppose, but I feel, like TIM Scott is gonna, be one of the first people out of the race and for Chris christie go last night, was like the vague locked down one lane locked down that never from lane I think christie- maybe chewbacca- wasn't meanwhile from previous go, which was stairway gorgeous, Wasn't anything actually everybody kind of achieve their goal, but the effects in terms of momentum, are going to be the question so I'm gonna get to that in just one second, fight with what actually happened. The momentum in order to explore that question as to who has momentum coming out of the debate, we were we're going to have actually jump into the debate itself. We're gonna get to the fun part kate. So I dunno about you the summer heat in south florida. It is really
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I think for everybody else who doesn't keep kosher, go check them out right now: good ranchers, dot com use my code ben for thirty bucks off any box. Okay. So as we jump in do the actual debate. I will explain to you how I analyze this debate so the way that I analyze this particular debate is going to be my own subjective, leave, because every two basic russia- you'll corcyra them, there's a thousand Aspect of what somebody says so the vague say something, and I might thing man he's wildly dishonest and then there are people like you is punching somebody. So again, every debate is a matter of perspective. I'm going to critique debate. Participants through a couple of different prisons that I think should still be important, even if they seem increasingly not important enough political life hey so I'm two great them based on like is what there's a true I living like a decent person. So one of my grades of decency generally, is I dont like attacks that are false. I don't like them I think we're going to attack. Somebody should attack somebody based on
They have done I only if you just launched specious attacks on people as a general rule. This. That has been a very aggressive time, and so a lot of people take aggression. in onstage, format of aggression as well, if he's doing it there and will definitely do it draw Biden, but does that make you a good person. I feel like you, could actually in a watch. Well, timed: and while calibrated attacks on people and still they got Joe biden- maybe maybe I'm just shooting in the dark. But that's how I made people, but can I understand the my perspective, not the only perspective, which is why, as we go on here, I'm going to explain how each lane is grading people in this? We will debate I am also going to great people based on their actual policy performance, which means inherent advantage to people actually have governed state or done anything as opposed to just said a thing now again, this matter is in republican primary anymore. it certainly is not mattered since president
Trump I mean when, when president trump became the nominee, he literally had no governing record. He not been in politics at all, so again, I'm using metrics that may be outdated, but again I get to do it as my show, so my metrics are generally is what there's a through. I didn't like decent person is what they're saying a reflection of actual policy winds on the grounds of, for example, I'm in a great people better if they do something else. I woke as opposed to just saying something as I woke. I am also going to great people based on the actual policy conservatism of of what they are saying. I do, I think that their actions- right or not. that is how I typically great these things now. Does that mean that my grades are going to somehow going to be reflective of like the momentum in the race, adding absolutely not again, I'm in Iraq, one place myself on this chart of like trumpery traditional gnp. Liberal way, tromp adjacent, I'm, I'm sorry, where between from adjacent and traditional geo. Pete- probably I'm certainly not never. From Chris Christie, liberal wing of the party
I am certainly not in the vote from a walk of a broken glass to vote for trump. I'm like the people who are from a pretty good job. Overall, I thought it hit the first three years of his presidency. We got some big policy ones, but I was also very, very uncomfortable, as y'all know, with a lot of his rhetoric, many of the things that he said his habit of tweeting that I think was counterproductive to his own presidency, his his activities between november in january of two thousand and twenty one all his behaviour since, like all this makes me uncomfortable with men, things from did, but also warm toward his performance in the first three this presidency, guys in first three years last year, I think was- was rather disastrous on all fronts and encumbered with a disaster. I think his handling of the alarm was really bad. I think they would. At the budget like there are a lot of problems, even so the problem there were wins like, for example, the abraham accords, but again I want my own perspective clear. My own bias is clear, so you know how to analyze what I'm saying as one would be upfront and honest with you on that sort of stuff, a lot of people, so
We're going to go through the debate in detail right now. I do want to thank fox news. They backed off their position yesterday that they had expressed clearly to us that they were going to allow shows like ours to actually covered the debate by playing more than three combined minutes of the debate. I was rather live about it. Yesterday, factories did get in touch with us. They did. Let us know that was okay. If we played eclipse is wanted from the debate. Its fair use actually, but good for them. so one give them credit for that. Ok, let's into the debate itself, the debate whence and everybody sort of gives their little intro rhonda santas, who is the going into this, the front runner of the second tier right, there's only there's only one person in the around that's from one there, so the person was in the second year leading missing was disappointed and his goal, as I say, was at bay. We emerge alive, so dissenters emerge alive. That really easily. Actually, so here is rhonda senses intro
Joe Biden back to his basement and reverse american decline with understanding. We must reverse bite economic so that middle class families have a chance to succeed. Again. We cannot succeed as a country. If you are working hard and you can't afford groceries a car or a new home while hunter buying can make hundreds of thousands of dollars on the loudly paintings. That is wrong with this fine right down the line, salad stuff from Ronda senses in that, though, describes performance like last night, fine, solid, those are adjectives come to mind Then when you have a vague vague has and some because in that trunk adjacent lane, which a huge lane, but there he's doing really well he's outperforming because he's going everywhere, he saying anything he's flipping his positions in order to say anything here was ears of aches, intro and very energetic, as will see, he's gonna get,
by chris Christie for cribbing from obama there is something to the idea here that vague, is he we studied person a very smart guy and vague. Basically, has taken in political information over the course of the last fifteen years, and he is I could have reached shorting. It invades form We get sometimes is lines that they come out of a vague that obvious, from somebody also get hurt vacant syndrome Let me just addressed a question that is on everybody's mind at home tonight, who the fuck is this skit, a guy with a funny last name and what the heck is he doing in the middle of this debate stage I'll tell you I'm not, politician, brett you're right about that? I'm an entrepreneur or mine. Parents came to this country with no money. Forty years ago I have gone, to found a multi billion dollar companies. I did it well married my wife, a pauper raising or two sons following our faith god. That is the Eric and drain. and I am genuinely worried that that american dream will not exist for our two sons and
generation. Unless we do something about it, and I do think british taken outside or outsider, because for in time. We have professional politicians and the republican party who have been running from something Now is our moment to start running to something. Ok, I will give the sort of stuff- and I think this really platitude nest, but I also standards very energetic like vehicles, extremely energetic on the stage last night and he's made for the internet minos. Speak internet on the internet he sort of emotive. Big hand motions excitement. he was all energy last night, which made him a lightning rod, as we will see who gets more on this in just one taken first nor craved tonight bbq meal with the family say go to the store, get all the groceries invite the family over. When you turn on the grill, the propane tank is empty. is actually happening, it sucks it's the worst. This is where cinch comes in to save the day since they propane grill tank home delivery service. They deliver problem thanks to regulate or on your schedule anyone from commissioner subscription plus Raise completely contact free,
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Well, I don't care about Paul's what I care about. The fact is that no one is telling the american people the truth. The truth is that by didn't do this to us are republicans. Did this to us too, when He passed at two point. Two trillion dollar covert stimulus bill. They left us with ninety million people on medicaid forty two million people on food stamps. No one has told you how to fix it. I'll tell you how to fix it. They need to stop the spending. They need to stop. The borrowing. Ok, wait for truth here Anders. The new republican party says we should never talk about, tell them programmes ever again reality. home in programmes and bankrupt us? Those are real Nicky Hayley says that it maybe unpopular. It also happens to be right of in my book saying unpopular but true, tends to win. You points may so Nicky Hayley, I think, I did well last night. Meanwhile, my pants had
hard task. Last night he had it simultaneously brag about his record as part of the trump pence administration and then, as we'll, see defend his behavior on January. Sixth, here was last night. incredibly proud of the record of the trumpets administration, in for short years. We rebuild our military, we revived our economy, we unleashed american energy and we appointed three conservatives to the supreme court that gave the american people a new beginning for the right to use up all of that see from the crab? All that is perfectly fine k, then the day broke up, so the real Was that a lot of people on stage where Nord, with vic the reason a lot of people on stage or the vague there's? A pretty good reason he's obvious not running for president mean he's not he's running too replace the guy. He says the best present was will see of the twenty first century. He is running without critter I think that person he is running by attacking literally every one else on the stage
and you saying things very, very competently that he would say option of five minutes ago now doesn't that really matter in terms of momentum in particular lanes. No it maybe whether you re vague is that it's really aggressive. I get it. I totally understand. He's really energetic. He he's magnetic on the screen. I mean he, he passes what roger that the roger ailes roger ailes, when he would watch t v and determine whether somebody was good on tv. The way he would do it as he put on the mute button and if you watch last night there's question that if you turn on the button, the vague was the centre of attention. There's just no question about it. He also draw the fire, because all the people on the stage who actually spent their life doing politics are annoyed that a Thirty, eight year old guy, with no political record and alive history of comments that actually countrymen. His own comments today is showing up and the names they weren't real fond of that last night and vague played right into raymie. Vague really went for it this is the part where again, I think, there's gonna be a gap between some of the stuff that I think about what veg said and maybe what the crowd thinks about what the veg said so clip eight this.
the one what were promised when we really decide that they really again, I know vague alike, I consider myself friends that egg These attacks are pretty dishonest. Here is here, is the vague, basically just attacking everybody onstage with with a hatchet sort order to might for one second gesine woke me back was another it has gotten their memorized pre prepared slogans out of the way we can actually have a real discussion now the reality. The fact that one of yours, that really bike actually we're just going to have some fun tonight and the reality is you have a bunch of people, profession politicians, superpower puppets following organs handed over to them by their four hundred page super backs. Last week, the real we face in this primary. Is this? Do you want a super, pac puppet or want a patriot who speaks the truth do want. Incremental reform. What you're hearing about or do you want revolution and this the power
My skin starts to you know rise arise well because I don't know what he's talking about I honestly, I don't already talking about when he says. Superpower Puppet, I assume that what he's talking about is the fact that one two cents, a super pat accidentally, released some sort of debate plan if not how superpower work superpower don't control the candidate, the question is whether the candidate controls the super pack is like. When he says everyone else on the stage is a puppet. It's like well. What like that? That's deeply. When I get to the decency point this is it just because people I agree with you and are on the same stage- does not mean that they are corrupt or evil, and I dont like that line of attack. personal level I dont like that now is ineffective. One of attack shortcoming fact of line of attack, but it seems Be that if you are, if you call somebody corrupt, if you suggest that there pack owns them. If you suggest they are produced, while you you're doing this all spontaneously, which is not true, ok, but should be real about this when when
says to the very great there. Is that a programme, let me introduce, of course supreme can lie like clearly to briefly can, if you think that this debate proper debate, your your idiotic, I mean, like everyone preps for debate. Of course, israel in front actual audience. Woke up in the morning rolled out of bed, and it's like I'm going to just figure this thing out and, of course, not a button any case. that that sort of attack at the vague launched, prompted everybody to fire on him in response to the rest, night was essentially just the vague taking an incoming now badly idea right. He wants that, why do people coming out of the bait will like we took a lot incoming fire. I there that to hurt him with whom the question is with whom so he watches. That's. It then, just to make sure that everybody gets the message that he wants to fight. He does it again so clip ten. He then suggest that every single person on the stage is bought and paid for Let us be honest, as republicans and the only person on the stage who isn't bought and paid for so I can say this decline.
change, the climate change he had but booze from the audience there but again, everybody on the stage, is bought and paid for, except for you, just it's so tiresome? It really is I really disliked it on a moral level. I didn't like it when trump did it in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen and only ramaswamy is doing it in twenty twenty three. It's just not my bad is not my bag, Another some people love this sort of thing. I don't like it. Think its moral to assume that everybody who disagrees with you is doing so because they have been bought and paid for I think it's ugly. Doesn't it the purpose shore, There are politicians who are bought and paid for Joe Biden is a politician who, when he was the center of delaware, was bought and paid for by mba catherine and the people who bought and paid for them. Here's my thing if you're going to say somebody's bought and paid for you didn't, have to explain who bought them and paid for them viewed by this particular line of attack on climate change, just for a second bought and paid for it.
one: the scientists on climate change was it this year, club. What the hell are you talking about it, we can pick and like the rest republicans, is that their supposedly does what the left has bought and paid for by, like the coax to be pro racking. It been bought paper by the oil industry who buys it and pay for republicans and climate change. It is also worth noting here that, like five months ago, vague was asked about climate change and he said actually actually climate change. Is man made so the recipe but again this it. This is him, and I understand culture, because I do it like every day and This dude is an expert in internet culture. This is the thing you can admire what he's doing on sort of a political level at the same time they are looking at this moment. I am not sure it is moral to simply suggest, without any evidence whatsoever that everyone who disagrees with you is some sort of corrupt tool of the shadow we establish without defining corruption, tool or establishment, but, as you see
he got what he wanted, which is to be the lightning rod. So I chris Christie who can't help himself and if there is a pie to be thrown. Chris Christie will forego even eating it in order to throw it christy, then, whenever the vague- and I will say that debt christmassy does have a particular set of skills, When it comes to just like wreck, people on stages. bet you'd and certainly people on stage, and he was out a pizza last night and I though his hit on roma swami here actually is pretty well well based, I've had enough already tonight, guy who sounds like chat jp to stay the last person in one of these debates, bread who stood in the middle of the stage and said what's this, A guy with an odd last named doing up here was Barack Obama and I'm afraid,
we're deal with the same type of amateur then the vague smacks: christie battle to this debate and up for this, makin, oh I like it. It I don't like wrinkles everybody on the stage, a corrupt con That's the thing I do like is christie, says something for about roma swami like this gonna dissing, I'm ok with here creasy says something through about roma swami, which is basically you sound as though you just took a bunch of slogans, youth revenge which actually contain what came out was vague and involving comes back. And by the way your ripping people off, which is true okay, when veg says what a skinny guy with a weird last name doing up here, that is literally a quote from Barack obama in two thousand and four that is literally a line from Barack Obama. So he's not wrong. I will say they chrissy does have a long institutional memory and weapons used weaponized insult machine, so that was great. But I will say: ramaswamy swamis responses, justice, correct rhetoric,
Is it you're going to invoke barack obama? It was you who was hugging him coming off. The plane during hurricanes sandy in two thousand twelve and you are helping him out the national election so this going to beat him up for actually these fisticuffs fine can. Meanwhile. Tim Scott was framed com everybody down again. This is why Scott has no juice if you're, the guy in the room is likewise can't we I'll just be friends well over in the core of huge pummeling. Crap out of each other that it like I going nowhere. Herriston scott Are you bought and paid for it? Are you bottomed out so that we now here's what the american people deserve as a debate about the issues that affect their lives going back in? worth being childish is not helpful to the american people to decide on the next leader of our country. So that that's the end, that sort of the reaction to sky last night was like he can disappear into the wallpaper. He wasn't much one factor in the debate at all. Ok, one. Second, we'll get you some
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Finally, and I think, with an eye to the general election that when it comes to national abortion law, yes to pass before you sign them. Let's be honest with the american people and say it will take sixty Senate votes. It will take a majority of the house. So when to do that. Lets consensus key. We all agree that we should ban late term abortions. Can't we all agree that we should encourage adoptions, can't we all agree that doctors and nurses- you don't believe in abortion- shouldn't- have to perform them. Like this, it is a perfectly fine general election take. My the strongest line with regard to abortion. Here he was last night I gave my life to Jesus christ- is my lord savior open up the book, and I read before formed you in the womb. I knew you and see set before he life and death blessings and curses choose life and from that moment on the cause of life had to be my cause and I've been achieved
in for life in the congress, a champion for life as governor and, as vice president and, to be honest with you nick you're, my friend, but consensus is the opposite of leadership, and that's Interesting sort of debate a consensus is, is the opposite of leadership, and legally drew I mean. Sometimes consensus is actually built through leadership. However, without said it's an interesting and passing it completely went unnoticed. Read that the side show then continued What what's interesting is then we got into the section of the debate where everybody for have tried to walk down their positions issue now, the first hour of innovation and establishing a position that the position established by the various candidates in the first hours of debate, why as we suggest in their lanes and and and basically in, radiation for particular goals. For dissent it was made, in your presence. Dont lose ground stay where you are for vacant, become a lightning rod and own that from adjacent way that we talked about for nuclear hayley. was only traditional gnp, lane
and that was the dynamic that sort of. permeated the rest of the debate. So, for example, run It's on crime, his entire campaign- and this is why I give dissent- is additional, cried out. Give people for your sanctions, as I live in Florida have watched him do it. This is, ad campaign is you wanna thing done. I did it in florida. Maybe I should go nationally. That's isn't your campaign. It may not be, off, because we live in a period where allowed people don't seem to care what people actually do in terms of governing. When I mean people would say, did you just say things now be amazing heroes around us answers talking about crime. There's one guy in this entire country? That's ever done anything about that me when we, had two of these district attorney's in florida, elected with soros. Finding who said they wouldn't do their job. I reckon I moved them from their posts. They are guy the as president. We are going to go after all of these people because they are
hurting the quality of life and they are victimizing innocent people. In every case of this country in it will stop when I get into office? so again? His entire campaign last night was embers governor america, although nationally that's fine Did it mean momentum, as will discuss in a second, maybe not gave meanwhile we got into the most polarizing questions of that, these all surrounded trump and you can clearly see who's aiming for which wayne There is a question that was asked as to who would support from even if he ended up being convicted in court as very awkward moment because the only person vague, was like the kid inside who had the answer before anyone else The programming this is sort of eggs personality, also because a supermarket, but the vex higher personality is basically the kid in model you ended. You might want to hang out, but you know that he's a smart, that's so here is a vague who, like John out of his seat. Basically, runs around the room with his hand. Up screaming everybody else. A little bit slow around the gun. Here here is the question. You are signed a pledge to support,
the eventual republican nominee is former president Tromp is convicted in a court of law. Would you still support him as your parties choice. Please raise your hand if you would. The, and then an individuals that are my hand up here all day long you saw you go back to echo is actually fascinating to see the order in which people raise their hands. They something to this right ends franklin kind of shock at some of the candid attend thought about this question being asked before and because we all know their support trump. If he's the nominee. Obviously I suffer the hutchinson who no one cares about. But if you look at that, if you'll get me order, the hands go up in smoke, as I say, is like supervised If the gun duties like Wyatt earp on the trigger here the next couple: a hands they go up. Our hayley and scott and brougham defences
reluctantly raises hands, depends and then and then Christie is gonna shaking his head, so creasy, shaking his head here was crazy, walking down the never trembling someone's guide. To stop normalizing this conduct. Ok now, whether or not whether or not you I believe that the criminal try it is our right or wrong. The conduct is beneath the office of isn't it of the united states, and you know this is the great thing about this country. Brewing is allowed, but and change the truth, It's very is locking down. I never from wainwright again there, the four lanes there, the trumpeters traditional, plp from adjacent ever trumpery, that is their christie. Walking down you! Never frontline! Here's,
trying to walk down the trump adjacent lane by being slavishly sycophantic. president from breaker was speak, the truth. Okay, tromp, I believe, was the best president of the twenty first century, honest to god. You claim that donald trump is motivated by vengeance in grievance would be a lot more credible if you're in. your campaign, we're not based on vengeance and grievance against donald trump. Without an iota of vision for this country, they could just is a channel two msnbc right now, but I'm not running for president MSNBC. I am running president of the united states, okay out there there's he's walking down that trump adjacent land. But here is not running for president, because here's the thing If you believe the donald trump is like the greatest president in human history and first of all, I will say again that the supermarket
when he says the greatest presidents of the twenty first century, that's a real shortlist guys. There have only been three of them. Ok and two of them not a rate, george w bush. Followed by Barack obama, followed by donald trump and the next one is binding, since it s an amazing list that you have to tolerate it. But if you are that in you could not run. we propose any was the field clear. I've noticed by the way that, in reaction to this debate and everything else from two phrases Why me, which is donald, If you see somebody is a threat, you think he praises them fell from his never praise. Anyone who has ever perceived as a threat is why- why do people in republic? party politics right now, we're like you're justice stalking horse, but that, like that's, why you're in there race? Does that mean that the biggest gonna going to that trumpet jason line up? He could easily lockdown that trump adjacent wayne and you know he continued to do this. He made a commitment on the stage that day one he would pardon donald trump. Then we got
two. I think it was one of the most fascinating exchanges of new debate, and that was the change over ukraine, because this goes to sort the future of the republican party more broadly, and where these various lane stand on foreign policy, and this is a complete workshop test, because if you are in a sort of war, isolationist wing of the republican party Tucker karlsson wing and on foreign policy you'll love had to say in the more traditional wing of the republican party think that they got his ass handed to him. So again, every element here is on which lane are you. Are you a part of Then we have to reform policy debate, and here Once again, this is vague. Walking down the from a jay? but people love trump on policy by have some problems. Maybe from personality was the way here This is by being the only person on stage who basically says right away that he would withdraw like all military aid to ukraine- and and this turns into a pretty fiery debate, which I guess this is why you watch the debates as he can actually watch spirited conversations about issues I actually enjoyed this part of the debate. The master is vague and I
This is disastrous invasion across somebody else's border when we should use those same military resources to prevent across the invasion of our own southern border. Here in the united states into china's hands, the russia or china alliance is the single greatest threat we face, and I find it a fence is that we have professional politicians on the stage that will make a pilgrimage to keep to their pope valencia without doing the same thing for people and maui or the south side of chicago me so well I I will say that I don't think that you know the sort of anti catholic slap there like pope Zelensky is is particularly helpful to the vic he's the only one on the stage who's, drawing a contrast with regard to ukraine, and he was forcibly smacked around by both MIKE pence and dickie hayley. So here is my pants, going after vague and rethink actually max once again, a quote from Obama. This is why I say that, because
we make it so studied and because he understands what what successful politicians had done in the past, sometimes just end of cribbing off of them very carefully. do they give away that you want to give the- give him his land is not we too long forty rules across a NATO border and for we are men and women of our armed forces are gonna, have to go and find him. I want to let the ukrainians fight vanessa, russians, russia, I would it s really address ass to make that by events, I've been using as the? U S, Assad, does not exist anymore. It fell back in nineteen. Ninety he talked about the copyright that ratio. Okay. So that's enough of that right there. That's! Where he quotes obama right when he will that that's a obama against mitt romney, twenty twelve nineteen he's called they want their foreign policy back ramming that that that's all that is then it gets into. It would make a hayley, and this was nick, best moment of the debate, because she a pretty cogent case as to why the united states,
involved in the war in ukraine and is a very split question, sighed the republican party. So this is kind of a thousand in part of the debate. the reality is that today, today, Ukraine is now a priority for the united states of america, and I think that the same people who took us into the iraq war the same people who took us into the vietnam war. You cannot end unit store. Another know when war- and I do not want to get to the point where we're sending our military resources abroad when we could be better using them here at home, to protect our own. Borders protect the homeland. Are that will be my top priority, his forty seconds in the river side, you wanna get this and other people, because everybody we respect nobody's time here so governor Hayley you, did not raise your hand, meaning that you would support more funding for the ukraine war. You have said. of eminent santas that dumb, you didn't appreciated
he initially called it a territorial dispute. Why first of all, the american president needs to have more clarity. They need to know the difference between right and wrong. They need to know the difference between good and evil. When you look at, situation with russia, ukraine. Here you have a pro american country that was invaded by a thug, so want to talk about what has been given to ukraine less than three and a half per cent of our defence Budget has been given to ukraine. If you look at the percent just per gdp, eleven of the european countries have given more than the? U s, but what's really important is go back to when china and russia held hands shook hands before the olympics and name themselves unlimited partners, a win for russia is a win for china. We have to know that,
Crime is the first line of defence for I've and problem that we back doesn't understand. Is he wants to hand ukraine to russia? He wants to let china taiwan he wants to go and stop funding Israel. You don't do that to friends what you do instead, as you have the backs of your friends, ukraine, at the front line of defence, sweden has said if russia once russia takes ukraine, poland and the baltic sea are next day. it's a world war were trying to prevent war. Look at what putin did today. He killed Four goes. It went that, the? U n, the russian ambassador, suddenly died this guy.
Is a murderer and you are treating a murderer or write me a thirty metres. You well in your future career on the boards of walk heeded rapier, not for the fact that the matter of the on going came out ever been given lie day. You been pushing his wife always marquise ago and defined the israel you wanna get. Let me address that. I'm glad you're going giving so the way I would america less than you have no more in politics, beards and you know what ok, so this was haley's that moment the debate by far it was a very we'd moment for vague, ok, the reason as his come back right there right, which is. I wish you well in your future career on the boards of locking raytheon again appeals to that from budget.
The crowd, who believe that all american foreign policy is run by the military industrial complex. Perhaps, but that is a really baseless ends up again act to everyone. if somebody hit somebody for what their once when he hits Christie any says you were hung obama. True, if you and it had somebody else on the stage for nothing, they did ok, but building all of your opponents as too because of the military industrial complex. That any evidence to that effect is real really absurd and nicky highlighting handle herself really well right there I too, the rest of the debate was effectively more of the same and so this brings us to sort of my personal grazing and will see like what how people actually did let's start with who got the most speaking time. The problem to many candidates on the stage definitely not been many candidates on the stage, so bad come and hutchinson took up fifteen minutes of time. They should have been on the stage TIM scott on stage for even minutes really was absent:
now, you're talking about twenty three twenty four minutes time that really was distributed poorly. there the real people, who should be honest age that are the are the top people from terms time, pence, ramaswamy, christie de haileybury? Everybody else in in the stage is basically and also at this point now we're ignoring the elephant outside the room, which of course is trouble, may mean that all these people are also rans, but in terms of who got most time. Pens got the most time, which makes some sense, in that he is the person who has done presidential debates before, like the most many of these people vague it. A lightning rod got the second most time followed by christy pretty also wanted to do some lightning rod. Stuff dissenters got fourth maritime hayley, actually only got eight minutes and forty one seconds, but she made him count. So how does that stack up insurance, my personal grades, so I thought this answer was fine I thought he was solid. I thought the heat He basically laid out his record. He stayed out of scraps. I think that is answer on Ukraine was a little bit befuddled, but I think,
given that this answers did ok right was fine out great him, like a b. I give Nikki haley and a I think she accomplished her purposes. I think she did so in a very short amount of time. I think she really surpassed expectations for nearly everybody who watched the debate. Even if you don't like Nikki, you have to see that she actually did better than you expected her to do. I give sa attempts gotta see eye to eye is basically not present. For any of us four pence as you probably give him a b but for different reasons. Then dissenters because he's just in unwinnable situation where he's from self. I thought actually rather well ungenerous. Sixth, It was worth while. he's, not going to gain any momentum from it and we'll get to that. In a moment, and as for christie, I would say that the I was like a bee christie performance in aid christie performance. it is always going gonna get the punches in, but he heeded have any of the charm that he once had and went twenty eleven. So now, Is the punching machine, serbia's about the you can do as vague, the vague, is very hard great because the vague, Is the total russia on candidate? You look at
on the stage and for me, if I'm, if I'm assessing how he did based on sort of was he telling the truth? I thought a lot of time not based on were his where his attacks other candid rooted their actual recording. What they did no many times or, if you're, basing it on. Like his policy, I think he's wrong on some of his policy prescriptions. I think some of the stuff he says about foreign policy in particular is just not. bruh or within the realm of reality, when he says start withdrawing aid from Israel examiner create peace in middle east between like qatar, an omen and is like like qatar. An omen are pro iran like that that just betrays, and not a lot of knowledge about the middle east and record right, but but if you're talking about like the internet culture, if you're talking about the meme culture, if you're talking about who had energy on the stage, are talking about the guy who's saying the things nobody else will say, which is one way that we have now learned to gauge politics is: will he say the thing? No one else would now I'm of the view, and I've always said this-
difference between being politically incorrect and saying the thing that must be said that no one else will say and just saying that thing no one else will say, but that distinction has been completely obliterated over the course of the last ten years or, if you just say, a thing that is verboten. Then this means that you are brave by that? direct remit kg ass by that country, make the great and this is what you see reflected? Ok. So, let's look at these debate results through that light, who as momentum coming out of this, because that's really all that matters right, Three days, random, he's gonna members debate there there's no lasting impact but did anybody get momentum here did anybody get momentum, so I greatly people done whether they had like strong upper momentum, initially mobile momentum same Download momentum Really downward momentum, so, if take a look at this chart. Let's look at each of these candidates. so run us answers again, his goal here was arrived at which, as we have this debate,
affects two santas is going to be really up to? What is handsome does next only lost ground on gain ground with any group. He was basically the same with every group going in as he was coming up. Does he have any momentum inside any lane? Someone- Well, there are two ways that you can gain momentum. There are two ways you can gain momentum in the presidential race one. You gain overall momentum like national moment, big national momentum, because you're doing great in like multiple groups, and then there is the do you have momentum inside one lane. This can actually mean a lot, so you could actually not too great in a debate, but if you really walk up a lane, your momentum in that lane that lane is now going to start generating some uptick, a national that may not be huge there'll, be an uptick in national numbers. You can build off of that, so lane momentum is something you want coming out of the debate One of the ways you want momentum de santis. Does he have any lane momentum now coming out of this debate? He built it sure. So, basically, it's
the school anti for the as though the debate never happen for his answers for vague, they had some momentum among thumpers the thing about the vague is that no one really has momentum meant among temper. Thicket trump has trumpery raymond that their lock up among the traditional geo. Be outside the vague, was kind of the same as before the virtual gb, not superfund a vague, maybe as negative momentum from it, but certainly not picking up ground among sort of the traditional gnp. Three legged store grab Would they never trembling in party? He had is negative momentum, but again he was never going to win those people anyway, he was aiming for one lane and one lane only. That is, that fifteen percent for trump jason's he has strong lament among those people. So that means that his upper boundary that makes up or boundary in this republican primary is probably that fifteen percent. He's chiseling that away from the santa's right that to you, his goal, which was strong, operable momentum inside that one lane which credit to him
achieve that goal and he made himself more of a national name, which was his goal in this race in the first place, because once again he is not running for president against donald trump. The way I know that his donald trump knows you not running for president against ireland from which is why Donald trump has not attacked him everywhere. Who goes after trump, who is perceived as a threat from is attacked, there's only one candid in this race, Was a serious candidate proceed: zero candidates who has not been attacked by donald trump and its vague, ok, my pants. He comes way with negative momentum from the trumpets, because, again from them like em, among the traditional gb He was a little bit of upward momentum. he came away with them. Liberal wing momentum like never trump momentum a little bit, but does he like over all All lane momentum I strongly momentum we're measuring way. Momentum is basically dishevelled. When any category right did. You have strong momentum in any one lane, knowing minor ones, my big momentum and anyway, so no four, here. He comes way basically the same as it was before a person why
my pants, I think, is an honourable human being in we'll person who's not going anywhere this race, Nicky Hayley. She is we wish, was before him a trumpet. in the original gnp lane she has strong momentum, It was very good for nikki haley among the traditional glp lane, and she could start locking up some donors. She could be seen as an alternative tim Scott. You could see a lot of people turning away from Scott and moving their money over to nikki haley, for example, are turning away from a pendant moving over Nikki haley. I would not be surprised if Nikki, Please campaign starts to move from two percent nationally toward that seven or eight percent nationally. If you will get a tim's got again, He ended up basically where he was beforehand every kind of liked the guy. But nobody knows why easier and as for Chris Chris He hasn't way momentum with the never trembling which is strong in new Hampshire, so did everybody sort of achieve their goal. The answer is, yes, is, make like an overall difference against trump. The answer is, So will we not because when you look at the overall. The overall sort of take away from the race from some
as all the momentum with the people love from and the trump adjacent wing Nobody is taking him away from him in the trumpet jason went if you wished in order to be trump assume as thirty percent walk up absolutely locked up and assume, there's another forty percent, that is, that is play and right now that splitting twenty percent from twenty percent everybody else, and then there's never trembling. That's like twenty percent. So this means that, if you're going to stack up, how do from brain. Now you have to assume from has the five percent of the vote locked up and you have the traditional gnp which is splitting like half with the rest of the party. which means that he's already at forty seven percent. And that's leaving aside the twenty percent want from adjacent. So to be trump, you basically have to win all than ever troubling government. All of the trump adjacent wing, and you have to split you trump. your people vote or you have to take all the traditional trumped yo vote out- and you have to take five- the senator from adjacent one. who can consolidate that easy.
Has the very very solidly who exactly can consolidate that sort of math right now, All of these lanes are split and from has a foot at least three of them, is there. Other candidate, who has a foot in three of these lines? The answer is no, there's not a single candidate was afoot in three of these lanes, except for disasters. Which is why the census is still the person who has the best shot of beating trump. the primary, but he's gonna have to show some momentum coming out of this debate, because the math just then work all that well for anybody who is not name from me well down from us this debate in his own way, as you would protect he's a big fan of roma women. Demonstrators once again that he is now running again trauma swami. Nor is that date running against him. He at one point tweeted, this answer ready to make a big when in the debate, because of a thing called for ruth? Thank you, but I think that would be with regard to the big when he was the best present of the twenty first century. Of course again,
I think I'll bring a time probably watching the debate here Is attacking chris Christie? He was attacking Nicky Hayley a little bit. He went after fortune were dissenters, but overall nothing. really happened. The debate that I think shook trump's lead meanwhile from surrogates, what complaining that they were blocked from Spain, which they should be blocked in the spin room? If your candidate doesn't show up for the rate, you don't get to go to the spin room and then jabber about the other candidates kind of ridiculous, but was donging are complaining about last night. right now trying to ban people from actually having discourse about politics, how I'm probably population, surprise any of us, but that
but, as I have been told by others, and I would be able to go, and so they said we were able to go in and they said they were now that we're here and the candidate countries educate their telling they run out boss. Wont let me into the spinning around the american revolve around a kind of telling him he works for security here, but they're telling him that I'm not allowed to go in there, because the candidates demanding financial, unless you make for the last, what two years didn't form, as they had hoped They can have someone who can maybe be a representative of my father just like a few weeks ago when I was cancelled after the first indictment. I was to go on about. I am sorry to say this is silliness the sicilian. It's your candidate doesn't job to the debate. You don't get to put your person in his bedroom. I mean that seems like fairly fair, inevitable as level especially because from was getting play of attention was own. you took a thousand on twitter acts upon We, it has some two hundred million views now worth explore explaining here that every time you scroll past the video on twitter and spent longer than two seconds on it, that council view so that occur
What actually watching a national televised debate, These are not in any way equivalent, but those are big number none nonetheless, and from it I had an easy Tucker asked him you're hard questions, tucker, not press him on pretty much anything. We'll get to that in the member block. But if you're not a memory have become member and use coach of check on for two months, rennell annual plans click the link in the description and join us
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