Special counsel Jack Smith hits Donald Trump with a variety of charges related to the 2020 election and January 6 – and we examine the bombshell indictment from all angles.
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Special council jack have finally had settled trump, with variety of charges related to the twenty one election in january. Sex we examined
I'm sure indictment from all available angles. Adventurer. This is the bench barroso
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so finally, the other shoe dropped. Yesterday jack's met these special council who was appointed to investigate donald trump activities surrounding the electrodes.
On twenty january sex and also appointed to look into his heavily
where's. My documents is now filed. A second case against donald trump classified documents. Case is going to be held down of water. Now he's fine
they federal indictment alleging multiple crimes,
if the january, six election, twenty twenty- according to the wall street journal trump, was indicted, tuesday and present
and criminal case, accusing the former president of trying to subvert the will of american voters through his attempts to cling to power after he lost the twenty twenty election here. Was it jack Psmith yesterday announcing the ends
meant and making it all about generous x and, as will see, this is sort of fascinating because its political movement, when, as its political, I don't just mean that
saying things that are political in nature. I mean that this indictment itself is political scene in order for an indictment to actually have any teeth. The crimes are so that our statutory nature, the elements of the crimes must
fulfilled alleging that somebody did a bad thing to you, doesn't make it a crime. If I say something mean to you, you may not like it. I may be anger, but that doesn't mean that I just committed a crime. A crime is a statutorily defined thing and you have to hit the elements of that crime in order for it to go to jail over that crime. The problem in this particular case is that there are
I think that a lot of people don't like about what donald trump did between the election of twenty twenty and January six. I think, for example, he was
telling the truth when he suggested that the election,
had actually been won by him that formal voter fraud- not just you know
media rigging the election to informal means or changing the voters, but actual formal voter fraud change the outcome of the twenty twond election
and he knew that was not true, and I think that he was lying about that, but I can't prove it not only can I not prove it the evidence
you know again is somewhat speculative, because maybe you truly believed this can be his events, that voter fraud did decide the twenty twenty election. I think the Donald trump did something that was frankly false and I think that he was lying
people when he suggested between the election in january, sex that might pence had the unilateral ability to overturn election results. That's not the way the constitution is written. However, could there be illegal theory to that extent, that donald from actually believed shore? There could be me thinking the down.
did a bad thing, does not make the bad thing a crime and we start making bad things of crime things. You don't like a crime free speech, a crime, specious legal gear is crime. Now
encroaching on actual american freedoms just to get donald trump and that's what you
smith is doing here because, as
see, we're go through the indictment in great detail today, as we will see the things the jack Psmith is alleging,
are mainly things that are just like, not good, like not good things that are not probable crimes,
and he's stretching the definition of crimes to fit those not good things, because he had a mandate is all special councils do, which is indict and
as the old saying goes once you get a case in front of gradually those hands here, a ham sandwich and rejects about whose bring this case in
can you see it's almost being treated writhing legally? As a back up to the classified documents case in florida classified,
Women's case in Florida is most significant. Legal threats. Now, try because he appears to have the elements of the crime leave aside the doublespeak.
With Hillary Clinton, if you're just a jury looking at whether down from did the things alleged in the incitement and to those fulfill the elements of the crime with radical,
my documents. The answer is likely. Yes in the state of lord. The problem rejects: myth is its in the state of florida. You may get adjure whose willing to basically
I don't think it's fair. They are trying him at all in some one to vote to acquit, so the backup is file. A bunch of real,
fresh charges in Washington DC, where everybody hates Donald trump scots and hope that they are going to send him to jail on those bases, something that Manhattan
the aids doing over in manhattan with regard to these ridiculous, forming annual strategy figuring manhattan, jury, they hate Donald from now put him in jail.
This is where it starts to seem incredibly political again, not just political.
Everything's political but political incense that there is an overt attempt at this point to stretch the watch gets donald trump
jack Psmith yesterday announcing the charges today, an indictment was unsealed
charging, Donald J tromp with conspiring to defraud the united states, conspiring to disenfranchised voters and conspiring in attempting to obstruct an official proceeding. Indictment was issued by a grand jury of citizens here in the district of columbia, and it sets forth the cranes charged in detail. I encourage everyone to read it in full
the attack on our nations capital on january sixth, twenty twenty one was an unprecedented assault on the seat of american democracy.
described in the indictment it was fuelled by lies, lies by the defendant, targeted at obstructing a bedrock function of the. U s: government nations, process of collecting, counting and certifying the result
of the presidential looks ok. What he just alleged right. There is not a crime can generally sex. I agreed was really bad. I think generous six was terrible for america
I'm not somebody who, actually, in a whitewash january, sex or pretends that riots in general.
Kay as long as they are coming from my side, I dont like riots, I dont like violence against police officers. I dont think that the riots in the capital were going to achieve anything that was remotely approach by constitutional law. I do think
at the attempt to label everybody who was at the protest, a writer and everybody who was at the riot a writer, because a lot of people are just wandering through the halls of congress. There do. I think that that's overblown yes do. I am I somebody who's whitewashed or or down.
played. The egregious sight of people assaulting
on January six at the capitol building. No, do I think that it matches up against the twenty
when he writes most damaging riots in american history, the be alone rights cross america. Now I don't actually but put all of that. Aside
jackson with his hand, which is generally six, is bad and download from lied, and that's the thing that's bad and therefore to crime. That is not a crime, even if you believe the donald from words fuelled people
into believing that they could overthrow the election and therefore they when they did the thing that is not a
they're, not charging him with incitement right, eventually
the charge that the crime you have to charge incitement, that is an actual crime. If I incite a riot, that means that I go to
crowd. I say: let's go storm that building right. There overlooks right now: let's do it! That's incitement! There was
people have been charged with incitement ungenerous six down from is not one of those people
that does not innocent nightmares and yet is very clear that that's what jack myth is trying to charge him with, which means that its political he's charging him for a crime.
That he's not alleging. That is a serious, serious legal problem. Now the priest,
you're in this case and then we'll get to the actual content of the event when treaties highly highly political. This thing is gonna, move fast,
jackson it as their admission to speedy, travelling and tranquil before the election. Donald trump is presumably going to claim that this
AP after the election, because he's already facing two legal legal cases is likely to face a fourth ready he's gonna, be
for the election facing down charges in georgia in washington, DC invalid
in in new york, and so
Organ is going and argues. Any mccarthy's pointed out that that makes
of a busy man as he's running a presidential elections, maybe they ought to delay the trial beyond the election was
the judge buys that are not the judge. In this particular case, it ought to be noted, is
a: u s, history court judge him tanya chuck and we know bomber appointed.
It also happens to be the only federal judge in Washington DC, whose sentenced january six defendants two sentences longer than the government request.
also the same person who, as a lawyer, represented there
boys, schiller and presented as a judge. In the? U S,
Was it against fusion. Gps is a very worthwhile judge. There's been a point in this case and with fair for the left to point out that a trumpet pointy is presiding over the marilla, though classified documents case.
certainly very point out that Jack Psmith is filing in a court in Washington DC, would probably most trump heating church
in Washington dc in washington, easy with a trumpeting jury, presumably, which is why he feels that he can get away with this harry, says
going to seek a speedy trial and see if they can get trump in the dock before the election. Since the attack on our capital, the department of justice has remained committed to ensuring accountability for those criminally responsible. For what happened that day, this case is,
I consistent with that commitment, and our investigation of other individuals continues. In this case, my office will seek a speedy trial so that our evidence can be tested in court and judged by a jury of citizens. Okay, so here is an here- is the
the one with with all of that said, trump is going to come to court when washington dc on thursday. So tomorrow he's going to show up in court, we're gonna get the whole.
O J simpson sow media coverage of the cars leaving marilla, though, of the plane arriving in washington, DC interim going to the court house, and when you ever get
his charges, attempting to obstruct
Patient. Proceeding, for example, cares imagine maximum sense of twenty years in prison. I mean these are really really serious charges. Will he be sense that, even if he is convicted of those things who the hell knows? But the big problem here is that this is a political prosecution and you can tell by the church
just interpreters again. This is coming from. Somebody was illegal, analysed right as a as a lawyer. I think that the charges against trump in florida are actually pretty strong.
the charges here are beyond week, which means this is highly political,
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slash appear out, you get started today. Ok, so let's go to the actual indictment, so there are essentially three criminal conspiracies. The jack Psmith accuses donald trump of participation in this page too, of the indictment
Shortly after election day, the defendant pursued unlawful means, discounting legitimate boats and subverting the election results in doing so, the defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies. One. A conspiracy
for the united states by using dishonesty fraud and deceit to impair, obstruct and defeat waffle federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted and certified by the federal government in violation of eighteen? U s code, section three: seventy one case that is not what the statute is for.
The statute is for this statute. Historically speaking, has been about stealing money from the federal government, so this is the real stretch: charge hey if you're going to accuse donald trump of fraud.
This is not criminal fraud. As national viewpoint, I quote, as the supreme court reaffirm just a few weeks ago.
Odd. In federal criminal law is a scheme to swindle victims out of money or tangible property, mending
This rhetoric and seeking to obtain political office is damnable, but it is not criminal fraud.
That is what smith is charged indeed,
prosecutor could prove beyond reasonable doubt from had naturally convinced himself. Election was stolen from him
billy and even worse, are protected political speech. So again the notion that it
Defrauding the united states, not like you, stole money from the post office like or embezzled from the epa by
him actively challenging the election and beyond the time when the constitution says the state certify that that amounts to fraud, nope, it doesn't
Well, they're criminal statue- ok, that's conspiracy! Number one! There, alleging conspiracy, never to a conspiracy to corruptly, obstruct unimpeded,
henry six congressional proceeding at which they collected result
of the presidential election, are counted and certified in violation of eighteen. U s code, fifteen twelve k k so here the idea is that you
attempting to obstruct and impede a process of justice going for obstruction of justice when
They said obstruction, just as I thought that the charges before they release them, I thought maybe what the charge to be is the down from coal
witnesses and threatened them to lie. He said I want you to lie to the general six committee, or I want you to lie to the jack psmith office in this proceeding their alleged any of that
when they say obstruction of justice. Here, what they mean is that he was attempting to obstruct the legal counting of votes.
But they dont have evidence for that. What they say is that he had a
she's legal theory and your articulated a lot that does not amount to obstruction obstruction would be. I will threaten you with a thing: I'm are threatened with death. Amateur, threaten your family, I'm a threatened things in order to stop you from doing the thing.
What's the threat. Where is it that the elements are not fulfilled? You will go through the indictment, the one they are not even alleged read. This is my biggest problem. You can tell when a case is bull crap by what exactly is being alleged and so, for example, if you go back to the Derek Chauvin criminal case, I kept pointing out that the entire me
yeah, the entire country kept saying. This is the case about race, and I kept saying it's not even alleged in court that this is the case about race. When there's a gap
between the public perception of occasion, what actually being alleged well, then, you can tell the case is specious. The same thing:
through with regard to Donald trump's case about election fraud, I kept pointing out that doubled from did not
legally alleged fraud that he kept saying to the american public over and over and court, which means there's a guy
we ve been. Somebody is not being honest, ok! Well, they are alleging here that donald trump obstructed just
and then they provide no evidence of the actual obstructions, no allegation that matches the crime there actually attempting to indict him on
back at me. Somebody is being dishonest and in this case it check smith and finally, a conspiracy against the right
out and to have one's vote, counted in violation of eighteen years codes. You forty one again. This does not. This is not the right interpretation of war
not even remotely this wallace.
It was. A civil rights was written in the aftermath of the civil war to stop essentially white races from preventing black people from voting or throwing the votes in the river or something
that's not what happened here. If you have a specious legal case and as of not being verified by a court, that does not mean you violated the war
if the basic idea is that every time I advance illegal fury and the legal fury ends up not being justified by a court. Somehow I have conspired against the right to vote.
like that. That means I can't ever file a voter case. I mean, by this particular case every time them
that's file a gerrymandering case on some legal theory and they get overruled
then, presumably they now conspired to to.
Prevention is right about because the gerrymandering was legal and they
the gerrymandering was illegal, but then that was turned down. So obviously, we're were trying to deprive somebody of the right to vote in accordance with the law. Is that how any of that works? Advancing
issues. Legal theories is fully protected by the first amendment to the united states. Constitution will get more of you
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alleged are not fulfilled again. They were a conspiracy to defraud the united states. The front stature doesn't apply a conspiracy to obstruct justice that doesn't apply because specious legal theories, the attempt to advance- that's that's not obstructing justice, and it can consider
he against the right to vote and stopping people from
the roads counted again a species
legal dairy does not mean that you have
violated somebody's right about now in any of them means.
Then we get you some of the actual allegations in the indictment, so they say the defendant conspiracy to impair obstruction to feed the federal
men function through dishonesty brought in seed included the following manner and means first, that offended and co conspirators used
knowingly false claims, election fraud to state legislators, intellection officials,
invert, the legitimate election results and change electoral votes for the defendant's opponent, Joe Biden, two electoral votes for the defendant, that is on the pretext of baseless fraud, claims that have been pushed officials in certain states to ignore the popular vote.
Franchise millions. Voters dismiss legitimate electors and ultimately, clause the ascertainment of and voting by, illegitimate,
in favour of defending ok, so you there's a keyword in that particular paragraph knowingly. No
the false claims will watch and broad. So there you have a real time with this one.
It proved beyond reasonable doubt. The donald trump absolutely knew that the election franklin's or false nodded. He should have known now. The people told him, but had he actively new york
in front claims or false, and he promoted them anyway for his own personal benefit. Now there are people around trump
at least that is my bill. Steppin form a campaign manager
bunch of people around from have said. Yet we know that this kind of stuff is not true,
and we're still promoting it to the public. But by we do we mean that donald trump personally told
Now again, I'm means I meant if it were, if there are some
allegation here, a witness, said, donald trump, told me yeah, I lost the election. Do it anyway. That would be a problem for donald trump. If they said I, if there were a tape like there is in the classifieds
communication is like. I know that the election, the election front steps back some scrap, let's anyway, it anyway gabby birth rate. That would be a problem for him
only a very high standard, requires intent and, as I have said,
a very long time about the president of the united states. It is very difficult to establish, intend for donald trump on intent, crimes very tough, because again his intent shift moment to moment. Like almost every
he shifted intent and he fully believes the thing that he is saying today and he fully believe the thing that he was saying yesterday could be defending
conspirators organised, fraudulent slate of electors in seven targeted states attempting to mimic the procedures
the legitimate electors were supposed to follow under the constitution and other federal state was this included, causing the fraudulent electors to me.
on the day appointed by federal law on which legitimate electors we're together and cast their votes, cast fraudulent votes for the defendant?
and certificates falsely representing, they were the legitimate electors some fraudulent selected for tricked into
participating based on the understanding. Their votes will be used only if the defendant succeeded in outcome determinative lawsuits within their state which the defendant ever did the defendant and
sure than clause these fraudulent electors to transmit their false certificates, to the ok again at suspicious legal claim- and you know what it means- nothing, nothing if thou from convinces me to write a letter to my congress person threatening that, if my congress person,
does not do x. Y orgy, I become the legal congressperson from district that is a fragile
legal claim that has no merit. Is that a crime hard to say that that's a crime its species legally
specious legal. There is are fully protected here in the united states of america, where they were until five minutes ago see the defendant and co conspirators at him.
to use the power and authority of the deal J to conduct sham election crime investigations and send a lot
The targeted states that falsely claimed that the d J had identified significant concerns that may have impacted the election outcome that sought to advance that
and its fraudulent selector plan by using deal jays authority to falsely present fraudulent sectors is a valid alternative and urge, on behalf of the g o J D, targeted states legislatures to convene to create the opportunity to choose the frogs
like there's over the legitimate electors. Not at all. This is really bad stuff right. It's been essential species, legal theory, it's pretty obvious specious legal theory in absence of evidence also did any of this kind.
Crime if down from says to a lower level. Member of the objects this what's actually ledge.
I want you to send a letter to his fate.
you're going to tell them that there is right
and then that lowered the member of the d o J went to attorney general bill Barr and said: let's do it and bill Barr says
There's no evidence of that, and then what
if the good side is that a crime. Is it very difficult to say that that is crime that fills the elements of where gamble, obstruction of justice d
The defendant conspirators attempted to enlist the BP to use a ceremonial role at the january. Six certification proceeding to fraudulently alter
the election result, and this is my favorite part-
says that they used the knowingly false claims of election fraud. Okay, so again they keep going to knowingly as very hard to establish when
failed on the morning of general sex, the defendant and conspirators repeated knowingly, false friends of election fraud, gathered supporters falsely told them the gpa.
the authority to and might alter the election results and direct them to the capital to obstruct the certification proceeding
pressure on the vice president. They dont have evidence of this. They dont have evidence that he'd wrecked them to obstruct the certification preceding he never told them to go into the capital building. The obviously did not tell him to go into the capital. We sought we
they're right and finally, after became public on the afternoon of generous sixty vp, would not fraudulently also the election results. A large and angry
including many individuals, defendant, had deceived into believing that deep he could and might change the election results violently attacked the capital in halting the proceedings as well
ensued, the defendant and coconspirators exploited the disruption by redoubling efforts to levy false claims of election fraud and criminal,
congress to further delay certification based on those links again, not a crime, not a crime. Bad ugly
On presidential, not a crime
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so some of the allegations here are things like donald trump
into fire somebody and then didn't
This is one of the allegations that has made about the d o j that he was putting pressure on the d o j t send
letters and he threatened to fire his agee honestly one in that one of the things
they trumpeted repeatedly throughout his administration is threatened. You fire people and then, when it turned out that
legally fire the person or create significant well back you just not fire them so, for example, on page
thirty one of the indictment. It says quote
at a meeting in the oval office on the night of january third conspirator for suggested the justice
I mentioned opine vp could exceed his love authority during the certification, proceeding and change the election outcome. When you system,
leave for the office of legal counsel began to explain why the d o J should not do so. The defendant said no. One here should be talking to the vice president, I'm talking to the vice president and ended the conversation, okay and and and so like. Alright, so
And I'm at a certain point here on this:
on january third, the defendant met with a briefing on overseas national security issue, with the chairman of the joint use of staff and other nationals.
advisers and chairman brief, the dependence on that particular issue.
German another adviser recommended the defendant? Take no action, because the inauguration seventeen days way the defendants headquarters
you're right, it's too late for us we're going to give that to the next guy. That's a crime! What what what where's the crime? I'm just at some point. You have to describe the crime and not the bad stuff. I agree with that.
The stuff was bad. The climbing I need you like an explanation of the crime and again over and over. This is just like heres a list.
bad things that Donald from did. I
models is really bad
I don't think they are worthy of a president of the united states also now crime, so that that the most specious part of this particular incitement is, when you get to the actual events of gin,
We must listen to the description in the indictment of january sex and you have
can tell me where the crime occurs. Higgs remember this is an indictment, its industry description, the bad stuff. You know about bad stuff. In fact, the best
is probably the reason, the republicans and a real tough time, the last midterm election. There are political.
Twenty two: all this is also the reason why he was nearly impeachment convicted in the senate, and here we go
finally, before one p m and the vice president issued a pub
statement explaining that his role as president of the Senate at the certification procedure was about to begin and
not include unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted which not before the definitive finnish digging.
I began to gather the capital thereafter, a massive
bill, including individuals who travelled to washington and to the capital at the defendants. Direction broke through barriers, coordinate author,
programmes in advance on the building, including by violently attacking law enforcement officers trying to secure it. The defendant, watched events, the capital in full
today in the dining room next to the oblong, as they now
no allegation anywhere in
indictment down from told people to break into the capital and violently assault police officers? That's why he's not being charged with incitement if he had that's an actual crime, he's not being charged with.
at two thirteen. After more than an hour of steady, violent advancement, the crowd at the capitol broke into the building upon receiving news that individuals had breached the capital that the finance advisers told them. There was a riot there and writers had breached the building when advisers urged the defense,
issuing calming message aimed at the riders. The defendant refused instead repeatedly remarking that the people are kept
were angry because the election had been stolen. Now I have a question bad is that a crime is that a crime that he didn't say a thing
on twitter. I am wondering how so I mean they're descriptions of action.
You're about things like donald from retweeting things. Retreating things is not a crime, as you may know,
if we'd written the real crime I'd be in jail for life or a few things all the time and again it's a description of a lot of bands.
And is under threat from crime, and that is the nature of this particular indictment, which is honestly jack's monsieur, be ashamed of himself. It's an egregious and it is in fact an assault on particular rights, because when you overcharge and those charges violate things like the first amendment or the right to
four vague legal theories, even if they are specious. What you're doing is your saying to everybody else that their first men and activities may not be protected. This is going to
the defence, by the way and that, dumb, that the from campaign is
didn't rollout essentially to defence is one when it comes to did from knowingly knowingly attempt to
purvey election fraud, they're gonna, say knowingly, is a real framework and, in fact
gonna do is ordinary litigate
the two thousand and twenty election and they're going to say. There are a lot of reasons for donald trump to believe that there was election fraud. Now
It may be that there was no electoral fraud to the extent that down from was talking about, but
pretending, no credible person could ever be
if there was any election fraud that stretch his exact will draw moral. His lawyers saying here it was yesterday
about the stories that these campaign funds are now.
For legal fees and its, and you run out of cash and fraught well, I'm not
following that, but the bottom line is the way that they're trying to take out donald trump is through the legal process, so he's being forced to spend money on legal defence which should be spent on the door
I of critical ideas and critical issues. People
wanna hear the issues they dont want to. We litigate twenty twenty and that's exactly what the special council I should say.
Narrow, garland, merrick, garland and bind administration had to sign off on its indictment and what they
really. Daughters invited now a relocation of twenty twenty, but this time
a criminal court which is unprecedented. So what
they're gonna bring up a bunch of charges that trump made in two thousand twenty and the defense is going to be. Well, I mean did he would have to be crazy to actually, you know, consider the possibility of those charges. What the indictment says is a bunch of people told donald trump that the election fraud thing wasn't true. Does that mean
Donald from head to believe how many times have you been told that a thing is true many times out? Imagine across the course of your life
believe it every time somebody told you a thing wasn't room.
presumably some tangible, even sometimes you Didn'T- have to prove intense. That is point
One point number do she's gonna say like a lot of the activities is protected, free speech, which is
early, drew here's laurel explaining your highness on tape with the former with the secretary of state from the state of
we're just asking him to find him one more votes than he would need to win the state. That's not asking for a pause he's asking for votes that
did not get and that ireland was asking for the secretary of state to identify votes that we're not countered properly
and factor that in and by the way that that decision.
took place with dozens of
but on a phone call,
lawyers involved and no one was suggesting doing anything illegal and no one during that called said. Mr president, that's beyond the bounds. This is poor
politics. This indictment is about your politics. We engage in vigorous debate in this country about politics. What we don't do is criminalize political scene
each. This indictment, it's a game changer, it's the first time that we ve taken political,
each and said we're going to crow
lies it by the party, that's
control against the party. That's contesting the next election, where the two
Visuals involved are going to be running for office that isn't it
Annabelle set of circumstances. I mean it is in fact
Incredible and the deal j being weapon ized against the chief political opponent of the current president of the united states,
well. That in gilgit was trying to cut a backdoor sweetheart deal with the president's son is a wild spectacle and it is going to be the centrepiece of the twenty twenty four
Donald from ends up being the nominee gets sort of the effects of this
on both the primary and the general election in a little bit. But the fact remains that this indictment is really specious. Its
we really specious a national of yahoo, which is not exactly
we have known for being trump friendly nation
is full editorials and talking about the indictment should be tossed and by the way, even
were convicted in some of these charges. There's a good shot, sprinkler overturns the charges themselves because they are not properly formulated. Judgments in
you're inciting strategy? Here is generally sixth,
superbad for a bunch of crap, I'm gonna throw against the wall. That is not an indictment strategy and here's the thing jack smith knows better. So up until this point, I've said with regard to jack smith, jack smith is a special prosecute.
it's his job to identify crimes in charge them if he sees overwhelming evidence of a crime happening. It's not his job to georgians call me did wrong
in allowing Hillary Clinton off the hook and twenty sixteen of classified documents, it's his job to determine whether the element of a crime are fulfilled and then to charge them. So when it comes to, for example, the
case in florida, I can't bling jack smith for the indictment, that's literally his job, but this is not his job. This is now political, and this is pretty obvious
coming from a biden g o j that again is politically biased. It is impossible to read this current from india.
Without at the same time, reading the fact that the deal
they did not set up a special counsel for the hunter Biden prosecution, the j appears to have it.
we heard the old hunter. That's the deal. J pretty, obviously is
to avoid any further investigation into a hunter buttons finances specifically with regard to his own dad,
you read those to undress supposition, one other. It looks like the current president of the united states is prosecuting the former president of the united states. That's what it looks like it's what it smells like and by the way, this would now make it the second time
because remember, is under Barack obama that the fbi
I and the d o J were targeting donald trump in twenty. Sixteen will be the second time that Democrats in charge of the government and the auspices of legal power
we're essentially targeting down from that's from
higher gates it. Why
be promoted in the primary is by the way it like. Every time he gets indicted ever republican, russia's
was defence, and they should on this particular indictment, because the feeling quite properly is
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right now. Ok, meanwhile, so the media response to these indictments is obviously members media
static about all the scaling collins of cnn. She tried to deny that the first amendment protects any down from its activity here and it's a very very we case that she's making. But what does that matter? She's, cnn, the president.
Was told, given advice that, under these circumstances, the state legislatures have the
ultimate ability to qualify electors. He followed that
I now you may disagree as to whether or not those things actually occurred or not
that's. Why we have political debate. We don't have criminal trials over that we have to discuss
like matters out, two things actually occurred or not china, not under the first pillar matters at those things actually occur because not nodded
well because under the first amendment was actually fried? No, no, the first amendment. Let me stop you there if he's saying that there was fraud,
if the government doesn't allow the president of the united states to go and claim there
fraud when he was told there is not
and then try to subvert the election by overturning legitimate electors. I mean says I'm right here in the actual indictment. Ok, so
the words if she doesn't like what you say, the first amendment doesn't protected. That's a hell of a standard for the first amendment. Obviously untrue. Again, this is a very significant for them, a development. If it turns out, you can advance a spurious legal theory
advance in opinion which turns out to be wrong, or even, if you will,
the thing that is false now known
glad to articulate a thing that others have told. You is what we believe to be true, that that's now that the standard neo cat you
who is a legal analyst as well. He says this is one of the most significant cases in american history. It is, but not for the reasons that the left believes. It is why,
you think it was so important to do that for so many pages, and this indictment
So it's a shouting and john indictment joy, it's not just one,
the most significant indictments. It is the most significant indictment against donald trump. It is the most significant legal case of our lifetimes. It is one of if not the most significant case in united states history. It is not fair with dread, scott, it is up there with brown versus board of education, because this goes to the
a central question of who we are ass, a people. Do we want someone the president act in this way?
that is so insane it's up there with dread. Scott, a case that lead to
civil war and declared the black people were not american citizens and could not be american citizens. It's about brown versus bore
ended segregation in the united states, its up there with that really
because not notices language, it are we going to live
a man get away with this as president get away with with what exactly
he's no longer the president of the united states, I noticed, and he was impeached twice and also what's the crime you'd have to do
the crime in order for it to be illegal, one most significant get man. These people are way out over their skis. Here is the biggest problem in ireland,
long term interests of the united states, so there's the
short term problem, which is don't bring spurious indictments that may land a person in jail for not commit the crime, because the fact is
he does any jail time at all. The presidents of the former president is seventy, seven years old right now, presumably by them,
This trial ends will be seventy years old, which means that if he ends
jail for ten years. Then that's life sentence
it is an elderly gentleman lest we forget, but put that aside,
one of the things that's going to happen here, and you can see it happening. Is let's say that this indictment goes forward but said the judge wants to go forward. Let's say the jury convicts. It will go to the supreme court. The supreme court will look at these charges and the supreme court is very likely to say by a five four vote, that these charges are sphere
and is likely to overturn them. That's exactly what happened to jack Smith's case against, for example, the former virginia gunnar.
Mcdonald turned a thousand various case got thrown out. Its work
suppose he's got start now. Imagine the political fall out from a supreme court in which three united states justices were appointed by president from throwing out a case in which down from
convicted of conspiring to overturn election. Can you imagine what the political fallout is going to be? You
about the credibility of america's institutions, and you pretend that you you care about that, if you're Joe Biden,
The only reason is that the up to undermine the credibility of america's institutions either way it's a catch. Twenty two, if they convict on spurious charges, have the country believes that its bull crap and indeed the entire justice system? That's already,
the table and now, if gets overturned. The other have also believes that so well,
sons why you should not charge things that do not exist as crimes and, while the
critical fall out has been a media. President trump immediately went to live
eleven. What you can
We stand on an emotional level, although I don't think the comparison is great president from
a statement.
Why did they wait two and a half years to bring the state charges right in the middle of president trump's winning campaign for twenty twenty four? Why was it
the day after big crooked Joe Biden scandal broke out from the halls of congress and all that's there
The answer is watching interference, lawlessness and these prosecutions of president trump and his supporters is reminiscent of nazi germany in the nineteen thirties, the former soviet union,
and other authoritarian dictatorial regimes
President trump has always followed the law in the constitution, with advice from many highly accomplished attorneys, and so, and not not a huge fan of nazi germany comparisons, because the truth is the nazis. Didn't actually just
legal charges. They literally just killed you or put you in a concentration camp, and so did the former soviet union if it had trump legal charges
like a full on show trial in which you are forced confessed because they beat in the back room, so is the united
nazi germany, or so we know what is a banana republic type crap. Absolutely I'm in this endeavour
banana republics have garbage for short for sure, Kevin Mccarthy me how speaker you put it
So what we recently learned hunter receive money from china. Contradicting present binds claim present by and spoke with hundred
business associates over twenty times contradicting what Biden previously claimed binds geo J tragedy.
really give hundred brought immunity and amid the sweetheart,
is unprecedented and just yesterday,
poll showed. President trump is, without a doubt Biden's leading political opponent. Everyone in america could see what was going to come next georgia, his attempt to distract from the news and attack the front runner for the republican nomination. President trump
house republicans will continue to uncover the truth. That Biden ink and the two tier system of justice, rather republican lawmakers, came out in defence of president trump, that included people like rhonda santas, who put out a statement pointing out that this is done,
standard of justice that didn't stop from support from attacking around his roundheads, insufficiently submissive to the former president of the united states, represented Jim jordan beach.
Have you to generic medicines when you drink swamp president for this once lights back, president trump did nothing wrong. There's some staunch
defenders who called for cutting off money for these Psmith investigation will be a little bit late for that. At this point, ten scott
you just said. He was concerned about the organisation of binds the o J and its immense power used against political opponents. Democrats, of course,
it's laboratory senate majority leader, chuck Schumer said no. One is above the law, including donald trump, unless your name is hunter Biden or Hillary Clinton, which case you're totally above the law. We love you you're the best, even if you're, like Jeffrey Epstein man didn't commit, was inadequate. This indictments, this indictment must now play
through the legal process without any outside political or ideological interference. We encourage mister trump supporters and critics alike to let this case proceed peacefully in court, all neither for peaceful court proceedings or isn't that isn't that cute minimum forget all of twenty twenty forget the railroading,
of people like their children, neither in the net now that now the legal process is totally there and above board menorah suited to leave a terrible human
posted a similar account to acts which is twitter. Sancho trot must be held accountable for goods.
firing to overturn election and inciting a violent fascist insurrection, giving away the quiet part right there that you wasn't charged with incitement. You may have noticed which is natural.
again, I pointed out the entire indictments about incitement didn't charge him with incitement. So there is that a soap
what is the actual impact on the election? Well,
a pretty obvious impact, which is that, if trump is the nominee, the entire election is going to be that his legal troubles, the entire election,
because listen to this calendar, ok, here's the calendar from here on out to me-
He has a generous six deasey court appearance. The first glp debate happens august, twenty third, twenty twenty three
october. Second, the trump organization symbols begins: general fifteen, the aging
A civil defamation suit begins january, twenty nine, the pyramids
gimme class action suit begins march. Twenty fifth, the hush money soon brought by the manhattan dna begins as march. Twenty fifth may twentieth classified documents, trial, began,
And now we don't know when this particular trial is going to be, and I would assume that it can be somewhere in that timeline, so the entire next year is going to be taken up by donald trump trials. He is going to be focused on it like a laser beam and that's going to be the strategy. The strategy for Joe Biden is going to be just crowd out. All other means
coverage all of it. That's gonna, be the strategy and trump's can be using all his money on his legal defense. He already has, but he's already tapped into all of the election funds in order to pay his legal bills, so that has two particularly strong ramifications for a general election revocation number one. If the entire elections about trump's legal problems very difficult for him to win
very very difficult? Because again, everybody's can be focused on the problems that from then how can be focused in and problems with,
president of the united states, whose both cropped interpreters, job problem or too is. If those
use every dollar that is coming into fight all of these spurious legal actions against him. You know that money.
And going isn't going to a ballot harvesting, isn't going toward the knock, knocking on doors.
Is that going to be on the ground things you need to win a tight election. That's all part of the strategy here. So the fact is that
was that does hampering down trumpeted general election in pretty incredible and dramatic ways. Obviously,
and those are challenges that are can be hard for from forget about all the other candidates forget about the republican primary cannot just on a practical level.
These are serious obstacles from now. I understand the emotional appeal for republicans have given the chance he has,
only chances we have to give it to him. We have two here we have to let it
one for the presidency, because that way, you can part himself in the federal cases or if you,
and then he has powers that would normally have also. We need to see the conclusion of this movie. What from takes revenge orally?
has the opportunity to take revenge against the g o J that has been playing him. I get it. I get emotional appeal, I feel it myself. I totally
stand. It also who is,
most likely to win, because the only way you actually win and to feed the Joe Biden
The commission and the deal j run by Joe Biden is to make him not the president anymore, and the only way to make and not the president anymore is to replace them with republican, and then they would replace, with republican
run, somebody who presumably is not going to be hampered for the next year by men,
have legal issues. Spending every dollar on his legal defence spending. No time actually campaigning because he's too busy doing that deposition
these are real underground concerns. That is not excusing any of the attacks on donald trump. It isn't it a practical, real life appraisal of
political situation on the ground now, despite
Those on the ground concerns the real concerns about the general in the primary there's. No questions, dynamic, Armstrong! There's just no question about it. Good evidence of this is MIKE penzance respond, so my pants, the former vice president, who actually
was the guy who had to certify the election which he had to legally do. Ok, there is no actual legal argument. They could overturn the election and vice president, we throw out state certified electoral about, if you think that's the case
wait till conall Harris. Does it if someone's the election and then see I feel about it
where the constitution works, but my pants put out aids
and saying what today's indictment serves as an important reminder. Anyone who puts himself over the constitution should never
president of the united states have more to say about the government's case have reviewing the indictment. The former president is entitled to that.
Something of innocence. What does indictment? His candidacy means more talk about general six, more distractions, as americans
Candidacies means less attention. Pity Joe Biden is disastrous economic policies afflicting millions across the united states and to the pattern of corruption with hunter,
country is more important than one man or constitution is more important than any one. Man's career on january sixth form. President trump demanded I choose between him and the constitution. I chose the constitution and it always well ok, so the blowback to pence's statement has been extraordinary, and
I think for some good reason and some batteries so using two things and they are distinct things thing number one is
Is saying that donald trump activities leading to generous six more egregious and they
be the nominee, because somebody who displays that sort of judgment should not be the nominee? I have a lot of agreement that sentiment. I think the trumps behaviour between you
and generous january was in fact egregious. I think that the pressure put on my prince pens to take unconstitutional
it was great experience. I think all of those things also, that's not the issue today, because the second thing that he should have said is the thing he should have said, but didn't, which is still. This indictment is obviously a put up job, as always two things can be true at once. I dunno. How often I can say this Donald trump's behavior between the election and january sixth was unpalatable. It was
he was saying things that were not true. He was lying to people about those things whether he believe that use lying, whether it didn't believe it
that wasn't. He was using allegations that we're not even alleged rise on wars in court. Use, use
sing. A legal very absolute
it's an insane legal theory, the vice president of the united states, is the singular power to overturn electoral results that are certified by the state as just a nutty theory, Kate. Oliver,
can we drew, and also not a crime, also not a crime
and right now the issue is whether things that are not
should be charged as crimes, not whether down from behaviour during the election was good
well trump's behavior during the election was good, has been litigated and related one million times in the court of public opinion is that good in impeachment it was litigated in elections that
place in january of twenty forty one is litigated in the mid term, elections of twenty twenty two
we litigated again, presumably in twenty twenty four of ronald trump is the nominee. But that's not the question the question of today, because that's when the indictment come down is: does the d o J have the power to charge people with non crimes, and that is a much broader issue than
from the activities on january six, nasa thing that MIKE pence is missing, and that is why people are so lacking him today. Okay, meanwhile, the double standard of justice that is become quite apparent to everybody continues
the media continue just studiously avoid any implication that hunter binding, Joe Biden had some sort of
regarding going, I would shake pretty, obviously did heroes, cnn, Dana bash, trying to defend hunter and Joe Biden two activities despite the fact
we now have open testimony from devon archer to congress, suggesting that Joe Biden was
on twenty phone calls with hunter business partners that that hundreds and Joe obviously Joe obviously know about the businesses,
we know all these things, but here is cnn's Dana bash, trying to be a wave. Her hand away at it does that mean that the president was involved in hunter Biden's business dealings know, but we all understand washington and we all understand that a lot of the
relationships operate in the grey areas intentionally, especially when you have somebody who is either related to a famous person or power person or used to work for a powerful person. You want your clients to know that
get them on the phone he's operating the grey areas, the re, no biggie, it's the grey areas. Meanwhile, you have morning Joe one of their hosts Jonathan liar, basically trotting out what what is gonna be. The final form of the argument, which is all of this, should be
has Joe Biden such a nice guy is only the final form of the argument is gonna go from. He knew nothing about the hundreds business dealings
hundred, did nothing wrong in ever to chinese money too sure honey
I did something wrong to chinese money, but he he wasn't involved in the business too, while he was involved in the business and knew what was going on on a general level, but he's an amazing father.
That's where Jonathan layers he's going to write for it here and MSNBC best
hundred Biden, goes there's no doubt
pretty clear, even those close to bind family suggested. Some of this behaviour is pretty unseemly that doesn't make it illegal.
It also means we don't know the role that then vice president Biden may have played, and it seems like no. They haven't proven that he had interview with that. They haven't proved that he profited from this at all. Yet.
He is guilty of turning a blind eye to some of his sons behaviour. We should put this in context. This is a time when, both by the presence, other son was ill and then dying and then and then passed away. So perhaps he was,
not as attentive to what he should have been here. The context is that this was a sort of very fraught,
time for them.
My family, and we know how important family is to the president and the moon, and so the binding rules,
in your garden. You saw it at any time, but certainly at a moment like that- and probably the answer is no, he loves his family, which is why he's a corrupt elderly gent taking cash from his crack son, his crack snorting son, who
that's prostitutes on the regular cause he loves his family, guys, that's can we vote. I do love. Jonathan le myers are
right there, which is unseemly, doesn't mean illegal. Meanwhile,
We're here, Donald trump doesn't answer. That is certainly illegal. Can you name the crime? No, but it's very unseemly, which means it's illegal. The double standard here is perfectly obvious to everyone perfectly clear at this point:
This is why, again, I think a lot of republicans are or wish casting here, because we feel, I think correctly, that the double standard of justice must be vitiated, that it must be stopped most americans will.
That way. We get to a general and independence will say this here. This can happen. This injustice will not stand. I dont know the town independently to react.
having independence major react by saying: ok,
I'm here a lot allegations about robin. I remember that guy and I don't like that guy that much the first time and nobody
I Biden, Simon, focusing on dropping out like trump, that much anal order for donald trump to win. The election turnout for Joe Biden has to be low. It cannot be even remotely high, that's just the reality, and so again I recommended that republicans tried to get out of the
their own heads a little bit and think about what independence might be interested in a general election and and
It would be very satisfied. I will admit that the
didn't you I'm all of trump season. Eight here would be utterly fascinating if he gets the nomination I have.
raise doubts as to whether the man can, when a general election well he's under for simultaneous indictments just on a practical level. Even if I think those indictments are politically
invented and spurious and many of those cases already time for a couple of things themselves things I hate her. So a couple of things that
I'll get things that I hate number one so little
a heroine of their public because she's a fat lady, so is she,
is everyone is very high on Lazo in the mainstream media because she is proudly very, very, very large, and I'm not the one who made that an issue she made that in issue, because she literally talks about it non stop how big she is.
apparently even less so fat james, her own dancers. Oh, no! Oh no. In fact, this scandal that broke yesterday is so bad that queen bay herself, the bay
beyond, say she has a song in which she supposedly mentioned she. She mentions lizards in the lyrics and she skipped over liza last night in her song is still our beating heart
What are the allegations against les out there a little raunchy folks? I remember she is all class, which is why she played a flute. A glass loot owned by gender
and so on here is here- is the latest allegation, courtesy of the new proposed
of have lizard former dancers are suing the good as hell performer as well.
Girl, big touring and showing quickly for allegedly subjecting them to endure. Wait, shaming.
sexually generating behaviour and pressuring them to participate in disturbing sex shows ooh. That's also good plaintive
area gives and crystal wounds claim in the lawsuit files on tuesday and obtained by page six. There eventually fired on the third point of no
Rodriguez resigned over lizards, stunning behaviour, while on a concert.
But the grammy award winning artists to amsterdam in February twenty three
Plaintiffs claimed liberal invited them for a night out on the town which ended in the city's red light district by the way, always an hr problem, bambi dot com. Okay, let me just recommend right now that dumb, if you are an employer, don't take your employees to the red light.
In amsterdam, that's not going to go amazing for you. The area is known for it's sex theatre, sex shops and clubs and bars where nudity is on full display so and apparently the lawsuit states. Things quickly got out of hand.
Lizard began, inviting has members to take, turns touching the nude performers catching dildos, launched from
performers vaginas an even better
bananas protruding from the performers vaginas. So, first of all, how then act it sounds like,
Catching dildos launched from the performer what is like Tom Brady, the suit
also claims that liberal allegedly pressure and go to Davis into touching one nude performers breast, which,
excellent employer behaviour, employers, let it
The one that lizard, who is a great heroine to us all, is a wonderful person who causes for employees to have to perform sex acts with prostitutes. That's exciting! The plaintiffs claim that just a month later
was to them to once again attending a new joe, thereby
I them of the choice not to participate. So first five years,
after she deceived you the first time that you might be suspicious if lizzie, like the first time she took into the red light distance
eat that banana from that person's vagina.
And then the second I'm like we're going to chuckie cheese, gang gettin van, like at that point you might be like. Do you mean like these
children's restaurant, or is that a euphemism.
Davis claims in one in the lawsuit that at one point I had no choice but to soil herself, onstage drinks,
shooting readmission fearing the repression.
excuse me to go to the restroom. Eventually lose all ledge
fire davidson spot. If you weren't you
recorded one of their meetings, even though it was in order to have a copy of the notes. The artist provided.
Rodriguez then resigned shortly thereafter, our solidarity, the walls.
Then she feared lizard intended to hit her and would have done so
the other dancers had not intervene.
Apparently again she wage james for dancers by claiming that they have gained too much weight, which I gotta say is like oj claiming
to violent with women lizzie claiming that you are, you have gained too much weight with so
has her own gravitational pull independent of the earth's sufficient to draw enlarge large barges like at her weight. Shaming people is pretty egregious so
yeah did not not great they're, not not great stuff there from from the leisure? Ah, well it's what? What is it? What a sad?
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