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have gone through a presidency that disregarded a whole host of basic institutional norms. What we ve seen is what some people call truth. Decay That's been accelerated by outgoing president trump. The sense that, not only do we not have to tell the truth, but the true doesn't even matter. Night, president Barack Obama on the state of our nation, and in it's from a new memoir about his own presidency, and I ask myself in the book how much of this is just megalomania? How much of this is vanity? How much of this is me too, Prove something to myself unless you ve been living under a rock you ve, probably heard of Tik tok here's the problem to talk as it is.

Now it is owned by a chinese parent company that has direct ties to the chinese communist already, and we also know that under chinese law, tik tok by dance, the parent is required to share data with the chinese communist party quiet required to under chinese lot american users parents it is then have no way of knowing about any of this. I'm leslie star, I'm bill whittaker, I'm anderson cooper, I'm scott billy stories and more tonight on sixty minutes. On election night. Twenty sixteen then precedent. oh bomber called donald trump at about three o clock in the morning to congratulate him, even though MR trump had lost the popular vote and took

electoral college by less than one percent in three states. Today, president trump declines to accept the verdict of the voters, spite losing by greater margins to president elect Joe Biden, mister My hasn't spoken of the election stand off until today we spoke to the forty. Fourth, as it is on the release of his new book, a promised land, a memoir of his early years and first term? What is your advice in this moment for president trump? Well, a president is a public servant. Bay are temporary, occupy of the office by design and when your time is up, then it is your job to put the country for

and think beyond your own ego and your own interests in your own disappointment. My advice to present trump is, if you want at this. Stage in the game to be remembered as somebody who put come country first, it's time for you to do the same thing. In your view, it is time for him to concede. Absolutely I well. I think it was time for him to concede, probably the day after the election or at the latest. Two days after the election day. When you look at the numbers objective way, Joe Biden will have one handily. There is scenario in which any of those states would turn the other way and certainly not enough to reverse. The outcome of the election more than that, courtesy of a concession, the trump white house is declining. free up the usual funds and facilities for the incoming administration president elect by

is not receiving secret national security briefings, as MR trump did, when he was president elect what in your estimation, would our adversaries be thinking right now, russia, china, about the fact that the transition is not moving forward? Why look I think our adversaries have seen us weakened not just as gas when this election, but over the last several years we have. These cleavage is in the body politic that. There are convinced they can exploit. There is an old adage, bad partisan politics should stop at the water s edge that when it comes to our foreign policy, that it is the united states of america not been

lighted states of america, and we met the former president at a symbol of america's pass divisions. This sony. International portrait gallery was a hospital in the civil war clara. Pardon and walt whitman cared for patients in the building, where the sixteenth president, hold his wounded. We joined after bombers peers in the gallery of the president's to talk about his book? I'm curious about the title. I think a lot of people feel that we are farther from a promised land. Well, I titled the muslim, because even though we may not get there in our lifetimes, even if we experience hardships,

disappointments, along the way that I at least still have faith, we can create a more perfect you, not a perfect union, but a more perfect. You you right in the book. Our democracy seems to be teetering on the brink of a crisis. What do you mean? We have gone through a presidency that disregarded a whole host of basic, institutional norms. Expect. Agents we have for a precedent that have been observed by republicans and Democrats previously And maybe, most importantly and most disconcertingly What we ve seen is what some people call truth. Decay something that's been accelerated by outgoing president trump. The sense that

Not only do we not have to tell the truth, but the truth doesn't even matter what are these false claims of widespread election fraud doing to work Right now, the president doesn't like to lose and never admits, loss and more troubled by the fact that other republican officials who clearly nobody are going along with desert humoring him in this fashion, it is one more step indeed legitimize, and not just the incoming Biden administration, but democracy generally and that's a dangerous We would never accept that out of our own kids behaving that way if they lost I made of. If my daughter's in any kind of competition pouted

and and then accused the other side of cheating when they lost When there was no evidence of it, we'd scolded delight. I think that there has been This sense over the last several years, that literally anything goes and is justified in order to get power and yup, that's not unique to the united states, they're strong men and dictators around the world. Who think that I can do anything to stay in power. I can kill people, I can throw them in jail. I can run phony elections, I can suppress journalists and but that's not who were supposed to be and one of the signals. I think that. Joe Biden needs to send the world is that now know those values?

that we preached and was believed enemy subscribed, and we still believe president, like Biden, one in this election, more votes than anyone in history and yet the twenty twenty vote wasn't a repudiation. of donald trump. It was more like an affirmation he received. Seventy one million votes, eight million more than he did in two thousand and sixteen. What does that tell you about our country today, while a it tells us that we're very divided? And, as I said, it's not just the politicians now the voters are divided and it has now become a contest where issues facts, policies per se, don't matter as much as identity and wanting to

Beat the other guy that's taken priority? I do think the current and media environment adds to that greatly. This democracy doesn't work if we don't have an informed citizens. This democracy doesn't work. If we don't have responsible elected officials at other levels who are willing to call the president. When he's not said the right column on. It seems, though, MR president, americans have gone from disagreeing with one another to hating one another, the problem that this man had You know- and I wonder he's gives a good example of somebody so, I think understood deeply the need

to be able to see another person's point of view. How do we overcome where we are today? There is no one american figure that I admire anymore Abraham lincoln, but he did end up with a civil war on his hands. I quit actor avoid that I I I do think that the new president can set a new tone That's not going to solve all the gridlock in washington. I think we're going to have to work with the media and with the tech companies to find ways to inform the public better about the issues and to bolster the the standards that, in short, we can separate truth.

from fiction. I think that we have to work at a local level. When you start at the local level, mayors, county commissioners and setter, they have actually got a big. Real decisions is not abstractions. It's like we need to fix this road. We need to get this snow ploughed. We need to make sure our kids have a safe playgrounds to plan and at that level I dont think people have that kind of this oral hatred and That's where we have to start in terms of rebuilding the social trust we need for democracy to work. Presidential. Mr Obama is speaking after four years of virtual silence on donald trump. He followed traditional commandment largely observed since Adam succeeded, Washington Thou shalt not criticise your successor in a promised land. He will

Is it that was a mistake in your book? You ask quote whether I was too tempered, in speaking the truth, too cautious in word or deed, many americans, MR president, believe you were too cautious to tempered yeah and- and I think that's a legitimate and understandable criticism. At the end of the day, I consistently tried to treat my political opposition in the ways I'd want to be treated to not over act when, for example, somebody yells. You lie in the middle of me giving a joint congressional address. I agree.

Stand why there were times where my supporters wanted me to be more pugilistic to my pop folks in the huddle and duke it out a little bit more. Was it mistake that you didn't every president brings. certain temperament office, a big part of the reason I got a light. It was because I sent a message that. Fundamentally, I believe the american people are good and decent and that politics doesn't have to be some cage match. in which share everybody's is going at each other's throats and that weaken Are you without being disagreeable their hand? been worse presidential transitions than twenty twenty, the southern Eight seceded, while lincoln, was president elect. Still we couldn't help but notice. Outside the national portrait gallery

Businesses are still boarded up against the fear of political violence. What should president trump do on this next inauguration operation. Walker there are. There are a set of traditions that we have followed and the peaceful transfer of power. The outgoing president congratulates the incoming president. Instructs the government and agencies to cooperate with the new government coming in. invite the president elect to the oval office and then an inauguration day. The president invites the president elect to the white house there's a small reception, and then you drive to the inauguration side and they are going present. since there is part of the audience as new present sworn in, and at that point the album

as soon as a citizen like everybody else, and owes the new president the chance to do their best on behalf of the american people. Whether donald trump will do the same thing. I will have to say so far. That's not been his approach, but. The hopes, brains, return, there's a promised land out there somewhere. two hours after Mr Obama said that president trump tweeted the white house we will win. Even though, the state is reporting fraud or errors that could change. The outcome will be back with Iraq, obama on other crises in our country and one in his own home

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should there be an evacuation of nearly two million people from them Furthermore, this is the insights and Mr Obama's new book. A promise planned a memoir of his early years, his historic election and first term. We spoke to the forty fourth president about battles past and present. Did you watch

The video of george floyd strangulation. Of course, it was heartbreaking, and very rarely, though, did you see it so viscerally and over a stretch of time where the humanity of the victim is so apparent, the pain and the the vulnerability of someone so clear, and it was, I think, a moment in which america for a brief moment came face to face with a reality that african americans in this country, I think, had understood for quite some time, and I was heartened and and inspired by the the galvanizing effect that it had on the country as a whole and the fact that it wasn't just black people. It wasn't just so quote, unquote, liberals who were appalled by it reacted to it and eventually marched, but it was everybody and

It was a small first step in the kind of reckoning with our past and our present that so often we avoid, but, Mr President travel martin to mere rice, brianna taylor right, George floyd. Why is this injustice never overcome? Well it for a cobbler reasons. One is that we have a criminal justice system in which we ask oftentimes. Very young oftentimes, not very well trained officers to go into communities, and just

people lead on banks and there we don't try to get at some of the underlying causes for chronic poverty. So if we're going to actually solved this problem, there are some specific things we can do to make sure that our contracts with police officers, don't completely insulate them when they do somethin wrong. Putting money in the budgets for training these police officers more effectively teaching police officers not to escalate but to de escalate. But it's important for us not to let ourselves off the hook and thank this is just a police problem, because those shootings that devaluing.

and of life is part and parcel with a legacy of discrimination and Jim crow and segregation that we're all responsible for and if we're going to actually put an end to racial bias in the criminal justice system that we're going to have to work on doing something about racial bias in corporate america and bias and where people can buy homes and and that is a larger, a project in which all the good news is all of us can take some responsibility. We can all do better on this front than we ve been doing scott. How are you elbow bump on well, MR president, we join the president. This pass wednesday behind masks and then kept our distance as the. U s counted one hundred and forty three thousand known covert infections: that day a new record.

Mr Obama had also faced an outbreak in his first term. A new flu, each one in one eye was terrified of it and very quickly: mobilized to figure out. How are we gonna take the best possible approach and from the start, I had some very clear criteria, which was number one we're going to follow the science, and the second thing was, let's make sure, would providing information, the american people, but each one in one was not is contagious. Nor is lethal was coated. It ultimately killed twelve thousand americans other battles in his book include the financial crisis passing the affordable erect the decision to kill osama bin laden and leaving eight years of work in the hands of another. You begin the book by writing about the day the chewed left washington

quote to someone diametrically opposed to everything we stood for that. Maybe the one thing that now from an area tat. He does not agree with me on anything. I dont see him as a cause for our divisions and the problems with our government. I think he's and accelerate, but they proceeded manned. Sadly, are gonna like we're outlasted you right in the book that republicans had a battle plan to quote, refuse to work with me, regardless of the circumstances, the issue or the consequences for the country now. The same might be said of democratic.

In a republican administration yeah, I wonder if today you'd think that democrats and republicans are no longer capable of compromise. First of all, I don't think this is just a plague on both their houses here. So the Democrats have posed george bush out a whole bunch of stuff, but ted Kennedy worked with george bush to pass a prescription drugs plan for seniors nancy palazzo. You adamantly oppose the war in iraq, time and again, voted even when her base was angry about it, to make sure that our troops were funded once the decision to send troops to Iraq when it straw, bonnet, blames gridlock on something old and something new. The Senate's filibuster tradition, which allow

Whatever party is in the minority to block legislation and non traditional media, the media landscape has changed and, as a consequence, voters' perceptions have changed so that I think democratic and republican voters have become much more partisan. I would often hear this from republicans during my presidency. Some of these folks had been colleagues of mine. I would in the senate. Some of them were friends of mine and they would confess to me, I said, look miss prez. I know you're right, but if I vote with you on this, I'm going to get killed I'll lose my seat, because what had happened is their voter base had soaked in so much information demonizing made demonizing the affordable care at that. It becomes very difficult even for folks who want to cooperate, to cooperate, and that's why I'm somebody who does not blame the current partisanship

solely on donald trump First, solely on social media, you already Saw some of these trends taking place early in my presidency, but I do think they ve kept on getting worse. The former president also writes about his unlikely rise, including the obstacles at home. You're, surprising way, honest in the book about your wife's opposition, for you running for president in two thousand eight, you quote her is saying the answer is no. I do not want you running for president god barrack. When is it going to be enough? Did I get the tone right? It was a little sharper than that, but it was pretty good and then she walks out of the room. Why did that not? Stop you look. It's a legitimate question. Keep in mind the context here.

just two years earlier. I'd run for the: u s summit in an unlikely raise two years before that I had run for congress, In a race you lost in a race, I lost a couple of years before that, I'd run for the state senate, we've got two young kids, michelle still working, and I asked myself in the book how much of this is just megalomania? How much of this is vanity? much of this is me trying to prove something to myself and over time she made a conclusion that I shouldn't stand in the way. Ass. She did she should not stand in the way of your ambitions, oppressor and an end. She did so grudgingly and the fact that I ended up with

didn't necessarily alleviate her prostration, because the toll it takes on families is real, I think, it's only after you emerge from an all consuming job that you realize that everything you hold dear is thanks to the one you love. I think I actually realize that, even while I was in the job and the fact that she put up with it and for gave me, it was an act of of grace that I am grateful for and I'm not sure I deserved the goal here. Scott today at age, fifty nine, Mr Obama, is working on his presidential center, so this is going to be on the south side of chicago in historic jack.

In part, and it's it's the place where Michel and I met where I first started in public life. His team brought this model to show us. Mr Obama's nation, has raised from private donations a little over half the estimated five hundred million dollar cost it'll take about four years once they start, it's going be a place where we have this standard model, oval office and Michel, addresses which will be very popular, no doubt, but also a whole host of facilities that allow us to provide classroom training to young people who are interested in public service and not to beautify the park that can serve a whole bunch some people have been under certain the best in his last moments in the oval office. Mr obama

left. A note in the president's desk for his successor. It read in part, we are temporary occupants of this office. It's up to us to leave the for of our democracy at least as strong as we found them on that last day. The emotions really focus on the team that you ve been working on And it's very rare outside of maybe wartime, where you get a collection of people. Working together in a sustained way under that kind of pressure and stress, and so there's a melancholy too.

there was also, though- and I write about this- a satisfaction in knowing that I had finished the job. I had run my stretch of the race and I could say unequivocally despite regrets and disappointments about some things not getting done, and the country was better off when I left than when I, when I got there, The trumpet administration was said to ban tiktok the wildly pop. The chinese own mobile phone application until friday when the shore form. Video service was granted a two week reprieve by the: u s: government, find an american buyer. That means tik tok will keep running. on one hundred million american devices and that's The administrations worry claiming that tik tok quote automatically captures v swathes of information from its users, but

actually allowing china to track the locations of federal employees, conduct corporate espionage or even blackmail president elect Biden has called the chinese owned up a matter of genuine concern, Tik tok, says, that's all unfounded that it's a platform creativity and free expression. So we wanted to know if tik tok is mere a pawn in the great power rivalry between the? U s in china or a genuine threat. This is to talk to a pursuit. It bills itself. As the last sunny corner on the internet. fifty million americans spend nearly an hour each day. Schooling, through a never ending parade of short videos made by other users,

They may be lipstick popular song or performing them themselves. Is a stage the printing and dancing like instagram youtube and facebook. talks real business, is keeping you engaged as long as possible in order to, Let your data there not providing a platform for music videos out of the goodness of their heart right there making money by providing really deep insights into their user base klein kid. Spend fifteen years working for the: u s: intelligence, community, putting the cia and now is director of technology policy at the conservative. Heritage foundation. What makes tik tok, particularly concerning.

is its relationship with the chinese communist party in beijing. The government of china, the chinese have fused their government and their industry together, so that they cooperate to achieve the ends of the state and tiktok is a factor in that. So many. But when you look at it, it just seems desperately fun and innocuous. Imagine you woke up tomorrow morning. You saw news report that choice. I had distributed a hundred million sensors around the united states any time an american walked past one of these centres. This answer automatically collected off if your phone- your name, your address your personal network for your friends with your online viewing habits and a whole host of other pieces of information. That precise What tik tok is as a hundred million? U S, users it collects all of that. and more

Many? U s: social media companies tiktok sk users for access to their cameras, microphones, photos Did you use and context more obscure Data like keystroke patterns are collected from everyone using the app keystrokes. What it? What does that tell them Patterns and the rhythms of the way that you strike the keyboard, it can basically say this device belongs to this user and you can do a lot with that. If you are, a foreign government is very, very invasive, Oh frederick knows the power of big tech. She set up facebooks counterterrorism programme after spending six years at the pentagon. The nash, security agency and as a target for special operations in afghanistan. Is he lives on this urgency gonna grow up sunday. Do we want

All of that information sort of hanging out there for nation state adversaries to scoop up to integrate with other datasets. it is different from what other apps collect so alive. Applications do collects and these new full some comprehensive did it oh profiles, they collect your digital behaviour. However, tiktok is owned by a beijing based company called bite dams by answers a one hundred forty billion dollar chinese company founded by this man. Thirty Seven year old, John, you mean. Known as an eighty I or artificial intelligence savant shown created the cutting edge ay, given an algorithm. fuels all by dances. Platforms like doing the chinese version of tik tok with six hundred million daily users both Use the same logo and similar algorithms

analyze exactly how long users watch a video experiment with new offerings? Fine tuning until it seems to be reading users. My ted talk is the first foreign based application, social media application that has taken off in the united states? Nobody, has been able to do that. Why? Because there official intelligence, their algorithm, is so good, tik tok at ford republican, Josh holly is the youngest member of the? U s Senate and a form attorney general of Missouri staunch supporter of president trump, yet he's earns partisan support for exposing the excesses of big tech writers. Google face book and apple, have all been in his sight. Now it's tiktok So we'll start off then with or can frame, add, and I will go into the tick tock questions. We were with him last march as he prepared to cheer a sub committee hearing that he called dangerous partners

tech and beijing, but Tik tok dappling were no show you, swine. Executives from tik tok. They will we're, come and take the oaths and test defy in public- that I think as usual- and I think it begs the question, what is it they have to hide? Tiktok will tell you that it's a platform for free expression, And they sort of market themselves as the sunniest place on the internet. Here's the problem with tik tok as it exists now. It is owned by a chinese parent company that has at times of the chinese communist party, and we also know that under chinese law, tik tok by dance, the parent is wrong. Wired to share data with the chinese communist party require required to under chinese law is not a matter? Speculation that in the law american users, parents You have no way of knowing about any of this,

China is also notorious for using its big tech companies to track and predict the behaviour of its own citizens. As seen in the sixty minutes report from last year, china stated goal is to become the world leader in artificial intelligence by twenty thirty. senator wholly fears. China is doing the same thing here, just like february the department of justice charge for chinese military hackers. We dealing records from the credit reporting agency, equifax ding one hundred forty five million americans, almost half the country, china been caught hacking. The second largest american health inshore, the agency, that stores information about all government employees even records from the marriott hotel chain. Holly says tik. Tok is just the friendly face of chinese data, harvesting to what the chain the communist party do

it's all this information, build build dossiers, build files on every american who they can get their hands on. We can assume about the equifax breach? Why would the chinese governed The interested in in the essential history of hungry, millions of americans will get to do with that, while clearly they thought it was very, very useful. Holly says, Tik tok shouldn't be allowed to operate in the? U s unless it's operates completely from its chinese parent bite. Dance. well to sell a piece of tik tok to Walmart and the? U s. Software giant oracle is in limbo, because china is blocking the export of Tik tok proprietary algorithm. News like him back to selling K of sea without the colonel secret, eleven herbs and spices. I want to see the actual terms of the deal. The platform the app platform has got to be rebuilt because right now it's been built by chinese engineers. They have

the control and access to how the platform works to how the algorithm works you're, just changing the label, despite all the suspicion, tik tok popularity is booming. Worldwide downloaded two and a half billion times in more than one hundred fifty countries here in the? U s, it's become a go to platform creators of all stripes, everybody breed and some people his knees in including celebrities influencers and more and more older users. I think the one thing that connects all of these videos outside of the more being less than in length is This idea of authenticity vanessa, purpose, is interim c o of Tik tok a former you tube executive. She inherited the top job in august, just

time to face all those thorny questions about china. She spoke to us from talks new office in los angeles. What does europe, the standing of why the president wants to ban tik tok. So when the executive order was delivered, we very much came out and said that we disagree with the characterisation which was done without due process and was not based on facts. Your parent company, by France is a chinese company. Yes, a bite dance is founded by our chinese entrepreneur aiming sang and at the same time, though, bite dance is privately help company you poor directly. to him. Yes, sire. What to him? Is it fair to say that by dance and engineers created the tick tock recommendation algorithm they help to updated, maintain it. So

Have engineers around the world. Tik tok actually has people in forty eight countries around the world. Certainly we have engineers than china is locked, told me about by dance. It's a massive social media company in china, but it. Also build as an artificial intelligence company. Yes, there is I took power a number of their products, but egg I don't know how much else I could share about that since, by day to day, is really focused. Son on tiktok papa says her focus is on Tik tok content, not technology behind it and, like many big tech executives, she'd down, please the amount and usefulness of data the platform collects. If you are trying to find information on somebody, tik tok would not be the first place, it wouldn't be the hundredth place and it wouldn't be the thousands place. Your critics report That, under china's twenty, seventy

cyber security law chinese based companies are required, to provide the chinese government with access to their data. Tik tok does not operate in China. The! U s! Data! is stored here, in the u s and with back up in singapore, and we have strict data access controls. If a government which requests data, we will put that in our transparency report and tell you, and certainly the chinese governed has not requested data, and if they did, it would be an emphatic, no former cia officer klein kitchen, says in china. No big technology company is independent of the chinese communist party or c c p the nest, security and cyber security laws of china, require them to operate and bill

Their networks in such a fashion as to where the government has unfettered access to their data, and so no the c c p doesn't ask them for information they dont need to. They have access the information society, a great disconnect em in the american people at least the kids were on Tik tok. Him now concern not what we're talking about here. That's right. They just think it's fun and for them it is there want to make a dance video with with a friend, and I don't begrudge them that. But you know their ignorance of the threat does nothing to diminish it.

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