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What voices are heard? Disputes are addressed in there's always another chance countries.
Now this belief tend to be in bondage or war election day,
coming, but across amerika belief is under attack.
politicians who say that twenty twenty election was stolen are running for governor in nineteen states.
Attorney general and ten and twelve states
election deniers are running for secretary of state, which would give them power over elections.
After two years of investigations and audits, no fraud or error has been found in any state. That would change their twenty twenty outcome, but in twenty twenty two spreading doubt
been key to an endorsement from donald trump, no stay
has been more deeply riven by this then arizona where a split in the geo p has republic,
on opposite sides of a grand canyon.
On one side of the arizona chasm stands rusty. Bowers a lifelong republican
and artist who become
in arizona speaker of the house bow
told us he was disappointed when Joe Biden one so when
didn't tromp ban, Rudy giuliani called after the election. He was listening. First rudy
dirty said well, there's been a lot of fraud all across
country and
in arizona and then he listed off
large numbers in categories that would be illegal dead. People
stolen ballots
power, says giuliani, wanted him to hold a vote to revoke widens electors and eyes.
But really I want the proof you gonna give me the proof.
And he said yes so giuliani
and co council jenna Ellis flew out to meet bowers. You left them
with rudy giuliani thinking. What that I wasn't happy. I said get time out,
Mr Giuliani, you said you were going to bring me some proof. Names
at cetera of all these people. Did you bring the proof?
We looked at jenna Ellis and he said: do we have the proof- and she said yes, we do do you have it with? You know not where his wife, it might be back at the hotel room
and I said I asked you for proof- you said You'D- bring it you're, not bring it
you're asking me to break my oath and make up something to pool electors and and replaced
electoral, which has never been done in the history of the united states and I'm gonna.
Try that on my state, without bowers
giuliani found an ally willing to call the vote criminal errors.
The state representative marked fiction.
it's exceedingly hard for me to place a label on what we've heard other than racketeers
good old fashion ma
stir racketeering, we're caught between the desire for weeks.
after MR trumps defeat fishing venturesome held in
unofficial, hearing featuring giuliani and difficult
stability that was hatched by
crooked leaders of the democratic party a day
allegations without credible evidence ended with this
when Satan wants to extinguish the light. He will stop at nothing. So
on your guard,
the former of god, and be prepared to fight
more attention fought and
The sixty five year old, former police officer, is the rub
like a nominee for
arizona, secretary of state, which would give him
already over elections,
ladies and gentlemen. We know it and they know it. Donald trump,
one but mark burner, which does not know it
he's arizona, republican attorney general, whose investigated for two years and has
a word for claims of fraud horse
but it is most of its horse and I've been trying to scrape scrape,
I my shoes for the last year bernard. It's supported trump, who called him,
with advice because
All you gotta do the same
the elections fraudulent and you will be a superstar, you mean less popular guy in america,
I told myself, MR president,
become a tree general to be a star
I brought my star with me.
And I don't need any body weathers-
the president or any other person validate
what I'm doing and why do it? What he's doing is
in indictments in every twenty twenty vote. Fraud case that he can back with evidence altogether to date from
general election
arizona has indicted twelve defendants,
cases involving a total of twelve ballots. Twelve state. Why
Biden, one arizona by ten thousand
there's no one in this country. The wanted to find evidence are far more than I do, but
thought. It was important to.
Semantically going through and say now. This is the facts. This is the evidence. Everyone entitled lower opinions, but when you're in
We're prosecutor when you're the actual government
there's a highly obligation. You can afford to be sloppy.
In addition to burn a vicious investigations in twenty
thirty one. The report
lincoln lead state senate audited Phoenix
is maricopa county homes
sixty per cent of the state vote. The audit
was done by a company that had never audited and election. The odd
hand recount confirmed Joe Biden one, but
report also raised questions about discrepancies. It found those questions were asked.
heard online in detail by maricopa county still. Why
spread. Fraud is more.
finland's charge when you
steal something
not really a worm. That's a flawed
that was in washington the day before the attack on the capital, which finch
describes this way, this
tired, J, six crap was manufactured
To create a narrative,
but there was an assault on the capital. Does he,
to the marxist ideology of. How do you go to one party rule today?
pension is running neck and neck with his democratic opponent. Adrian fondness who help please?
The twenty twenty election in maricopa county or we're.
Are too divided away from each other based on lies and conspiracies
we as election administrators across arizona, have to do a better job, showing folks that the system is quite good. I'd like to see
a world where it's easy to vote but hard to cheat talking. We asked ventrem for credible proof of fraud. He raised not evidence, but
those questions from the state senate audit. Next,
she told us about a mysterious post election email, which he thought
you're in a rally or who sent an email, not just in the oj. They do everything the legislator saying, there's thirty, four thirty, five thousand fictitious voters. Certain system will never find
What we believe in the email, finch from speaks of a Brian watson, said democrats added.
guess: votes electronically in payment county, the right
had no evidence ass not to be contacted
and closed his email account. Why would you give this any credence?
again. It's an open question I want to know. Was there
a possibility that this happened. Now we ve now proven that it happens.
How should we ve got to precincts that show over one hundred percent of the people registered to vote in that precinct voted
an undeniable fact, but it is
I able bypassing the county, which
no precinct had more votes than voters and
revenge. Hymns frequent points concerns a pair of indictments. We have for you,
apple. New county battle,
harvesting and votes. May we ve got people
were indicted for the very thing that we're talking about right now, who pled guilty and, frankly,
Those boats
altered the outcome of humor county Uma county. We ve actually had indictments and people that applied guilty tobacco trafficking, human
ballots were involved
I don't know how to top man. It's for gay with its four
thousand does matter, it wasn't the presidential election. It was a primary, doesn't matter, it's a defect in the system,
a minuscule defect to win,
in human county pleaded guilty to collecting for ballots and dropping them in a ballot box. It's against
state law to deposit ballot that isn't yours or your family's its form
how much in a primary in that instance, in that
and you have a bigger one, well
we've got. Information has been turned over to the attorney general's office, and you say that there was nothing there. Okay, then I might have to live with that, but do I know for a fact that there were
other ballot trafficking operations around the country and some in arizona guy do name one. You may count
twenty five thousand balance. What happened same fingerprints on those balance for five individuals so where that go, where's that evidence
No, it's been turned over to the attorney general's office. I noted the fear fbi field office actually did the prince, that's false.
Bring to the fbi? You may count
told us that no one in law enforcement fingerprinted, twenty five thousand ballots venture.
Often says that evidence is with attorney general burner which implying that,
think big is coming in
He is a mountain of evidence it sitting in his office but burn
They told us his investigation is essentially over. We is
ask heaters, dealing facts in evidence and our model
the clowns throw stuff against the wants you. It sticks, clowns clowns. I say that
I think that there were a lot of clouds out there, that these
ah what they wanted to see:
simon garfunkel line than a man. Here's what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. There is a lot
going on. It's going on in
top arizona races where the republican for governor is denied
we had a fraudulent elections, corrupt election and we have an illegitimate president sitting in the white house. It's like a giant Chris
in some ways a griffin
Wendell is what you're saying yes
all of these accusations. The case in yuma scaremongering
Brian watchin, email scare mongering. You call
old arizona that epicenter of fraud
scare mongering it
the fraud that is breaking people's faith in our
elections. It's people like you, so you say:
but when we look at the violations of state statute this,
The epicenter of the problem
nation wide one huh
Ninety election deniers are run
for the: u s, house and fourteen
for the: u s: Senate. According to the brookings
institution but of its mark burn of each one
his primary to a denier, and so
did rusty bowers, which
may come as a relief. Don't come over, don't come over
post election trumps supporters and conspiracies spinners laid so
age to bowers home up to three times a week, devour that had a file. He had defend them off. A man
the pistol.
it's in their own armored car and at the state, can
on january six, twenty twenty one. They can
With rifles and gaiety
in arizona when believe
in the vote eroded. This is what filled the void has
republican party, the tube known all your life than hijacked.
it's a large group of them. That is doing the hijacking. I just
I think it's a majority, its
activities as a party and its
legitimacy in public discourse is
grossly undermined by
how they've acted in this state.
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has alarm scientists, while no cases have yet been discovered outside africa, the? U s.
screening all arrivals from Uganda
Ebola is among the deadliest of pathogens capable of jumping from
wild animals to humans. Just as covered nineteen likely did it's called spillover disease detect is worn
the threat of spillover, has never been higher as urban populations grow and come into contact with wild animals and their viruses. Since two thousand and nine american scientists have discovered more than nine hundred,
new viruses. Now the? U S, government is doubling down since
virus hunters to global hotspots, defined the next
Thirdly, virus before it finds us, we join
A team from the university of california davis- and there
gandhian partners,
in the rugged impenetrable forest on the search for pathogen exe,
we landed in cohesion, a speck of a town in south west uganda, as we headed off to the impenetrable farmers. We soon saw how it got. It's me, it's so thick with trees, fines and routes that you gone.
Call the police of darkness as our four by force, bumped and swerved along deeply rooted tracks. We pass t farmers luggers village
all living on the edge of the forest, where the risk of infectious disease spilling over from animals is highest wildly
at the di christine johnson handicapped, the stakes,
How would you read the odds of another pandemic?
I would say. Another pandemic is guaranteed
There is not a matter of if, but when. That's why we're
so committed to preparation. Johnson leads the use, ie Davis tee and has been hunting viruses around the globe. For decades, we were headed to an abandoned mine shaft. To look for bats. John
and told us bats are prime suspects for school.
Harbor, more viruses lethal to humans in any other mammal new
species, and new viruses are still being discovered
like a really daunting task for you to find passage x before it finds us it's definitely.
if a ball
but at last absolutely it's all here. Right now, right, it's not like were expire
in outer space olive these viruses in the end and all of the wildlife
here on our planet, the beds,
start flying at dusk. We waited, as you see, Davis team and their ugandan partners hung
fine mesh net across the entrance of the cave.
we were masks and goggles to protect ourselves against any early risers.
Bernard Zebedee, seventy one of uganda's top wildlife. There was told us
this area used to be all forest now, village
had planted a cornfield right up to the mouth of the batcave
creasy the risk of spilled, as
If, on too, we were
women carrying water cut through the corn field.
School children ran home, the transferred between bats in humans,
much more likely when you ve got
people living. So exactly depopulation is
above moved into areas they never played for
that shrinkage of the buffer, everyday green people and what are they,
become so narrow. So
increases. The contact we're talking about people who
now living law right on the edge actually, the impenetrable. Far exactly governed,
gunnar gone people for moving some of these idiotically the have he go back,
are known to carry corona viruses, the sea
virus family that spawned proved nineteen
as well as lethal Ebola viruses, or so we had to dress head to toe in protective give once the hazmat was on. We added two sets of gloves a mass and a face shield to guard against
I in guano and other toxins again lied, must assume everything
contaminant exactly the infinity
for farmers was soon pitch black and we had only the light from our head lapse to guide us soon. They
trapped, a large egyptian fruit, bad wildlife,
denard zebedee gently
disentangled it and put it in a fabric. Sack
We followed him back to the makeshift lab flowing in the dark, the bat sex quiver in the ghostly light
it felt like we were on the set of a sigh five is a bigger up. Close the bats did little to dispel their fearsome reputations.
We watched as the fruit that grew agitated trying to escape
Scientists held its nose to a test tube filled with a mild anesthetic. Finally, the bat succumbed
epidemiological christine Johnson, told us the bat would be swab for a suite of viruses. Does this hurt the bad at all? Now it doesn't hurt the body we get the right size vibe.
we're just an earl simple, maybe a little uncomfortable the
its wings were examined for parasites and takes that might also have pathogens.
all the samples would be sent to a lab for dna sequencing. John
and told us virus's genetic code can help identify which might cross to humans. After the tests were done, the bats were released, groggy but unharmed.
The next day we join terrorist, smiley, evans, a you see, Davis, epidemiologist and wildlife vet. We were looking for
monkeys and bamboo like bats pray
Its carry many viruses that have left to people.
Miley Evans told us catching an outbreak early at the point of spill over is vital.
containing it sounded.
Is no shortage of viruses that can enjoy.
If humans had come out in forest, there are probably more pathogens.
We don't know about than ones that we do know about. We need to gather
more information and more intelligence about what may be out there and aims
spell over before it does so they come right down to the hospital,
the back button bright again.
Of. We met her at the windy community. Hospital on the edge of the forest is really something it's so close. We saw baboons casually strolling on the hospital grounds sometime
getting into patients room whenever you're, creating a new opportunity for humans to come in contact with while they population.
So they were never in contact with before your creating a brand new
waiting. So as human populations grow nets
us into areas
We ve never been before exactly pudding,
into contact with animals. We ve never been in contact with before exactly to find out what viruses the baboons were carrying. Smiley evans pioneered a simple but groundbreaking method to collect saliva samples, the stealth banana.
I do a string. The bananas, tossed the curious baboons but hidden inside, is an oral swap coded in
something sweet that the baboons love to true
smiley evans and ugandan wildlife that combat nelson had prepared the bananas earlier in the day. So we have
tried, strawberry jam, we have tried mango jews, have shown they the one more than the other. The differences that sometimes they'll chew on that swab for longer periods of time, with a different, attractive versus another, and that's what we really want it
bubble gum for primates when the snow
it is gone. The baboons throw the swab away, leaving behind plenty of saliva that can be decoded for viruses, but family,
politics can sometimes get in the way meet the big
daddy, vis troop he wasn't
to let any one else get even a mouthful. Mom
the baby's out of the way until finally, the coast was clear:
by then all that was left were soggy leftovers. Wildlife
mukamba nelson told us. It was worth a week. It was real.
see babies venture this could so you got some
samples from the baby's yesterday, yeah
That's unusual to very unusual, so what do you get from the baby's that
don't get from the adults. You never know I made
but your disease in this age bracket. We cannot be found in the juvenile or the females. Six edge
or that plays a role in disease. I intelligence
disease intelligence that also includes training villagers to be on the lookout for any unusual fevers or flew like symptoms science,
This can then match human illnesses to the animal viruses they found in the same area
smiley evans told us. It was poor
pieces of a puzzle together all the sample
are tested in the same way for the same pathogens. So the goal is that for sampling at the scene,
time in the same area. We can start to connect the dots and understand when there has been transmission of a particular virus. One of the most
closely monitored. Species in the impenetrable forests are its
Star residents, the endangered mountain guerrilla near
half the world's remaining guerrillas are here
hundred fifty nine had last count
always on the move.
So we set off to find
one ridge lead to another. Each
deeper than the last the fire.
was so dense? There was no sunlight and no guerrillas wildlife that bernard Zebedee assured us. We were on the right path and seeing signs of an early surrender
have things, I'm already our poor
breezed along unfazed we
not so much then hours after trekking sudden,
there they were. We spotted a mother
first high in the trees gorging on twigs soon
we were surrounded by all nineteen members of an extended family include
a massive silver back and another mother cradling her infant. We
put on our masks not to protect ourselves, but to protect
who is from any infection we might be. Carry
me bond is with guerrilla doctors and international conservation group. She told
How they identify each guerrilla, just
humans, where we each have our own unique fingerprint that helps us the idea,
viable as an individual guerrillas have unique, knows prints
a nose print and that's what allows us to identify those individuals, and so
go through and we make sure we get each individual on the group that we can do a visual assessment
looking for signs of illness or injury,
and wildlife said bernard. Seventy told us.
Guerrillas are susceptible to many of the same pathogens that we are in
it can be an early harbinger of disease,
guerrillas are monitored daily for any warning signs when you're sick.
Emily re runny knows cosmo, sneezing,
moving, I don't want it
a gorilla is lying down. Seventy told us they'll assess if he's resting or is
something else is preventing him from moving. We spend
one young male on his own, but Amy bond, told us. He was
likely suffering from a problem of a different sort. You can also sometimes tell which fell back is dominated by the number of formats and held him, so this poorgrass it over here is just outrages. Our second choice, aside from a case of wounded male pride guerrilla,
actors. Amy bond, told us. This family appeared
be thriving, but there are few
sure, isn't guarantee
there's isn't neither is ours. Bond
hold us as spill over threats grow. It's impossible
separate human health from the health of the natural world
As you see, Davis scientists continue their work. The search
pathogen x is a search for what
threatens the animals of the impenetrable forest as much as it threatens us. The best stories happened to those who can tell them it's a fundamental rule of writing, maybe of life, and for decades now David said, Aramis has taken his offbeat experiences and unfiltered observations and turn them into rollicking
essays which he not only writes masterfully but then performs, as he threads the globe on tour. It's made him among the world's best selling authors. It's made him rich enough to buy a picasso. It's made him a humorist on the order of mark twain. If mark twain had been discovered after writing about his job as a department store
christmas, elf! I'm in show business
and I I
of the show business life. I do it's laziest for show business. There is, but yeah
think of it in show business. I do writers,
to be a solitary introverted tribe, show business the readings appearances book, signings
often marked the worst part of the job, not so
David, sir Darras I thank you so much. He turns his tours into performances. Drawing big crowds
to hear him hold forth on topics petty in profound and reliably. Funding are
that's what makes me unworthy of a biography, not just that I'm doll and have never been unfaithful, but that all zone out and think
dumbledore or a tv show. I like called thousand pound sisters, and it's not just in front of the urban hipster crown when we first met up with the dearest, be happened to be headed to skagway alaska population. Eleven hundred for a show,
with the local eagle lodge back some let for coming tonight that followed by a line to experience. That's a darien satire one on one, that's crazy! I did say your life. He loves the interactions days for hours, but
dearest also get something practical out of this potential material
one time I said to this woman was
ass time it touched. The monkey
and she said
smell it on me and she would
It's for a centre in boston trains, monkeys to act,
is helpers fur pair
I know it's like: I had no idea none whatsoever and then she
vited, media center and so on
in the center and monkeys all over me, so
Heiresses ability to find a story anywhere in everywhere has helped make him a runaway success with more
a dozen books and counting nearly every one, a best seller,
thirteen million copies sold. Why do you think
How many people were laid your work,
every night. I'm on stage, and I look out, I see people and I want to say why are you here? Why are you here? Yeah
descend thinking like
surely had stuff to do at home thing it?
I'm nobody body, german
Maybe what happens in the theatre is just a celebration of our shared
ordinary nurse,
iders are thieves poaching, a bit
one person's life and stitching it to part of another's he's so
matter: traces, the human experience rest visits to the doctor
goals in the tac line and, of course, the comet
in complexities of family.
Well, I'm a hundred years old, my father, tells us can be
Ninety eight amy correction include
in his sister Amy sedateness sixty may. Whenever we face something serious
comedian, an actor showbiz
per self in remain
her brothers closest confidant there,
six, the dearest, siblings, growing up and suburban raleigh north carolina, a typical middle class household
That is until you flip the page as it were in ventured inside this felt like
we worked sentimental.
no, it was almost like. We were hard bitten
alcoholics show
nobody turn it doesn't sound like what the court,
but it doesn't sound like you were arch, we're judgmental either judge
leah. We're judgment will gather if you're wearing a toe ring and you're gonna compare our how's rebuke to spend time.
With the sudairis you'll notice, they share a certain sensibility, a legacy
of their mother Sharon, who also
gave them their first lessons and storytelling. Something would happen
and then she get on the phone and then tell
a friend about it, and then she
the phone awhile later and tell another friend and you'd. Think oh it change.
I like to see more definite order, which is where he gets, and then she would do it again and again and again, by the end of the day, she had this little polished jam, but I do that
thing like Amy, never does Amy, never repeat, herself yeah, I guy down there
father, lucid heiress, they say was never quite in on all the stories and jokes men could be cruel to his children, particularly to David.
just feel like my dad bed, all
his chips on me.
A failure
father said a million times.
You know you are a big fat zero. I mean how many times the dancer that to me and everything you touch turns to crap. I mean over
a new are oh yeah, over and over and over again and so on.
The kid I thought you know what I'll show you, but you never show them.
it's early years were a struggle. He wrestled with obsessions and compulsion and with his father's refusal to accept that he was gay. He drank too much and dropped out of cod
Twice before finally, getting a degree in visual arts
in the early nineties, Sir Darras moved to new york where he took a series of odd jobs chronicling his
if in a diary, but publishing no essays intent,
he wrote about his time. Working as a department store christmas self, he read us an excerpt
Well, there was a line for santayana lying for women's bathroom,
and one woman after asking me, a thousand questions already asked, which is the line for the women's bathroom and I share
that I thought it was the line with all the women in it
did she said, I'm going. Have you fired at two peoples?
that to me today, when heavy fire going
be my guest, a more
green velvet cost him then get any worse, and this must be clear.
Didn't take this job as an l for for irony or because he thought you were going right about now. I
have any skills. I apply
for all sorts of jobs, and I
this job because I'm short
I'm short, and I didn't have a criminal record in the history of
unlikely literary breaks? This might take the prize. What star
there's a journal. Entry became a national public radio essay santos,
diaries which
aired in ninety. Ninety two did the equivalent of going viral
it would be a break out here says, will put you on the map. Did you
over the time, no, no
It just seemed like everyone was listen to the radio that day and it really. I went from somebody with no opportunities
to some one having to read them out since then,
his subject matter expanded, but its form is remain consistent. Sat there, no novels were sweeping narratives. He starts with a note book. He brings everywhere in terms the jottings into
personal essays mix, memory, observation
and he had met some exaggeration in service of humor. The final
usually begins with the mundane and ends with the meaning, and why
The literary celebrity may be an endangered species, please
back to the late show David said: aramis seduce not only plays their part but dresses. The part here
tributes essays to the new yorker, the bbc, and on occasion, CBS news ended aged sixty five
he's on the road more than two hundred days each year, good for his brand, but also his process. He rate for the
here as much as for the readers I, which makes audiences, not simply his fans, but his most important editor
audience- is wrong right,
can't convince some somebody that something is funny I did they laughed at or they did
I did they paid attention to it or they didn't and the audience.
telling you all of that sort.
My job to listen to them
his success, his approach to the job,
can still leave him feeling like an impostor,
That's when I worry that, because I think what if I'm not really a writer because
What a fine
these certain ways you can cheat with your voice right, you can,
No, you really concerned doesnt plus books analyse millions million sold.
you really have that I'm not a writer
we can then new, thankful and cheating here. Look
I am saying, he's afraid of a woman, and you really,
a woman, I'm not
describing her voice. I'm doing voice right so
can can a reader hear her?
I, or am I cheating
I cheating by using my voice, still
readings DR book sales, which drive ticket sales, a virtuous cycle, that's afforded to derose multiple home, including this
cottage south east england, where he spends part of the year with his partner of more than thirty years you hammer and artist who appears
and essays as the sensible, centering ballast David's flights of fancy
in my mind the silk serve a classic domain.
story. One character is, we know
I have less and the other person is reliable and capable, and that's hugh all
right? I dont know how to do anything. I dont know how to look at our bank statements on. I don't open any envelope unless it looks like fan. Mail, henrik,
It's the limelight as much as the dearest craves it, and it took some
convincing to get him to sit down with us.
We wondered what it was like living with someone for whom everything is a potential story emily,
no power
well well. Well, I don't want to go the other way. I think he would now, when I accept from one are women accepted,
never had to say not alone, others can go,
to the readers of the new yorker, the millions
people reading her books. I think I might have tried a few times just saying. Do you have to say that he says yeah, everyone thinks it's funny and it's like. Okay, these days go
for the biggest laugh can be risky. Especial
for someone like likes a who proudly doesn't much traffic in down
these are sensitive to land? This is gonna. Make me look bad when people rebus
thing is such a landmine. Now I don't want to sit at my desk with my hands and feet tied together. He refunded me you offended me. I haven't been great, there's other stuff for you to read: go somewhere else,
out here in england, far from the twitter mob morning,
for writing. Well,
afternoons are for going on walks or well maybe women
incidentally, is childhood compulsion, the adult version he says. Is this picking up
on the side of the the roadways we naturally want.
to tag along,
How many hours a day,
in four and six, usually I go out
after midnight I'll go out. It's ok,
you're, going out with a headlamp on and do busier roads. This is also where he says he does a lot of thinking which recent
He has centred on his father Lou, who died last year there,
happy relationship left unresolved
David wrote about one of their last conversations. Benny
and me
David, he said, is, if it
I just realized who I was
you ve a camp.
so. Many fantastic things in your life, your way
I want to tell you you,
you
one.
when you said you weren't, you think it was a cosmic you want
aim of life ready. They gets you one new defeated me: I'd go
back and forth. I mean that's what part of what made it compelling
to write about is it I don't know that
so a question I'll be asking myself, I'm dunno,
my life
two years ago, on the northern shan reservation and lamed your montana christie wooden
I family rush to her home after receiving shocking news on my
My daughter came out fight
he was run over it. Is
Ok, I know she died offers I what,
but when they arrived there
no police force the cops first of all. Why is there no popular because
crime scene, you know like there should have been yellow tape. Missing justice from CBS news takes you inside what really happened that night and the federal investigation that followed kind of hardcore
events in the police hoping that arrest him
then we just like it was a silence like nobody came and let us know anything and how
for years. A family fight for justice listened a missing justice from CBS news strain of amber twenty. Second, wherever you did your pipe casts tonight. An update on a story from last may ballet.
exile that's when we met ballet artists, both russian and ukrainian, who fled the war to pursue their art overseas.
Tom ukrainians out of necessity, some russians are programmes like the bolshoi oldish minimum. I had funding ferreting, like
My home, I say it on my repertoire, my partners. My parents ceased to brother everything, but they don't have regrets. You'll regret
of because at least I can be honest to myself american philanthropists howard, buffet son of Warren Buffett. In once, the focus of the sixty minutes profile was watching.
His foundation, has granted more than a million dollars to help support the exiled ukrainian dancers.
I'm john worth time we'll be back next week with another addition of sixty minutes,
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