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certainty where we dealing with things we never dealt with before, and we can't afford to get it with these things can afford to get it wrong. Why? Well, because they might take over The former chairman of the joint chiefs mark milly famously clashed with president trump, but for the job, a more immediate battled for america to continue funding the war in ukraine with all of the issues facing americans at home. Why is this worth it? If ukraine losers

and putin wins, I think you would be certainly increasing, if not doubling your defense budget in the years ahead, and you will increase the probability of great power war in the next ten to fifteen years. I think it'd be a very dangerous situation if boots allowed to one showtime baby, rich paul's rise to superstar sports agent is draft day, and that anything can happen is one of the most interesting journeys we have ever followed from young hustlers. Shooting dice in cleveland a slow day was a thousand dollars to representing nb a royalty and breaking records negotiating their contracts. He called Lebron James as a best friend and oh

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Does humanity? No, what it's going nuts, I think we're moving into a period when, for the first time ever, we may have things more intelligent than us you believe they can understand. Yes, you believe they are intelligent. Yes, you believe systems have experiences of their own and can make this actions based on those experiences in? same senses, people do yes or they conscious. I think they probably don't have much self awareness. So in that sense I did think that conscious will they have self awareness copious? I s. Oh yes, I think they will in time and Human beings will be the second most intelligent beings on the planet. Yeah Jeffrey Hinton told us

artificial intelligence. He set in motion was an accident born of a failure, in the nineteen seventies at the university of edinburgh. He dream of simulating a neural network on a computer simply as a tool for what he was really studying. The human brain. but back then almost no one thought software could mimic the brain. His phd adviser told him to drop it before it ruined his career engine says he failed to figure out the human mind, but the long pursuit led to an art the short version it took much much longer than I expected it took by fifty years before it worthwhile, but in the end, the worker, at what point, Did you realize that you were right about now? networks and most everyone else was wrong. I always thought I was right in twenty nineteen,

hinton and collaborators yon laocoon on the left and yeah sure been geo. One. The turing award the nobel prize of computing to understand their work on artificial neural networks, helped machines learn to learn. Let us take you to a aim. Look if that, oh, my goodness, this is Google, a lab in london, which we first showed you this past April, Jeffrey Hinton. wasn't involved in this soccer project, but these robots her a great exam,

full of machine learning. The thing to understand is that the robots were not programme took play soccer. They were told to score. They had to learn how, on their own up, go in general. Here's how I does it hinton and his collaborators created software in layers with each layer handling part of the problem. That's the so called neural network, but this is the case, when, for example, the robot scores, a message has sent back down through all of the layers that says that pathway was right. Likewise, when answer- is wrong. That message goes down through the network, so correct connections get stronger wrong connections, give weak and by trial and error. The machine teachers itself, you think these a ice

Systems are better at learning than the human mind. I think they may be yes, and at present there are quite a lot smaller. So even the biggest chatbots only have about a tree and connections in the human brain has a hundred trillion, and yet in the train, connections and champ, bought it no far more than you do in your hundred train connections. suggests he's, got a much better way of getting knowledge into. Those connections are much better, way of getting knowledge thing that isn't fully. Understood as we have a very good idea, roughly what is doing, but as soon as he gets really complicated, don't actually know. What's going on any more than we know what's going on in your brain, what do you mean? We don't know exactly how it works. Was designed by people know it wasn't what we did. Is we designed the learning algorithm? That's a bit like designing the princess leave evolution,

When this learning algorithm then interacts with data, it produces Protecting your networks at a good at doing things, but we don't really the stand exactly how they do those things. What are the implications of these systems autonomously writing their own computer code in executing their own computer. That's a serious worry right. So, One of the ways in which these systems might escape control is by writing their in computer code to modify themselves and that something we need to seriously are you about? What do you say to someone who might argue if the systems become benevolent just turn them off they be able to manipulate people write, and these will be very good at convincing people. causal of learn from all the novels,

wherever written all books by Machiavelli? All political connivance is they'll know all that stuff. They know how to do. It know how of the human kind runs. Geoffrey Hinton his family. His ancestors include mathematician george boole, who invented the basis of computing and george everest, who vague india and got that mountain named after him, but ass a boy Hinton himself could never climbed the peak of X. that raised by a domineering, father. Every morning when I went to school, save me as I walked around the driveway getting their pigeon. Maybe when you twice This may well be half his good. Dad was an authority on beetles, He knew a lot more about beetles any new by people. Did you feel that as a child a bit? Yes when he died

He went to his study of the university on the wall, were lined with boxes of papers on different kinds of beetle and just near the door. The slightly smaller box, the simply said, not insects. And that's why I had all things about funding today at seventy five hint, recently retired after what he calls ten happy years at google. Now he professor emeritus at the university of toronto, and he happened to mention he has more condemning citations than his father. Some of his research led to chat, but slight Google's barred, which we met last spring, was confounding absolutely confounding. We asked barred to write a story from six words: foresail baby shoes. Never wore holy cow. The shoes were a gift from my

wife, but we never had a baby barred created a deeply human tail of a man whose wife could not conceive and a stranger who accepted the shoes to heal the pain after her miscarriage. I am rarely speechless. I dont know what to make of this chat, but sir said to be language models that just predict the next most likely word based on probability, you'll hear people saying things like they jesting or secondly, they just turn up the next word and they just using statistics. Well, it's true. They just trying to protect the next word, but if you think about it to predict the next word, you have to understand the sentences. So the idea that, just briefly nice words so that our intelligent is crazy. You have to be really intelligent to predict the next,

It really accurately to prove it. Hinton showed us a test he devised for chat jpg for the chat bought from a company called open. I It was sort of reassuring to see during award winner, miss type and blame the computer? Oh damn this thing. we're going to go back and start again. That's ok, hinton test was a riddle about house painting. An answer would demand reasoning and planning. This is what he typed into chat. G p, t for the rooms in my house are painted, white or blue or yellow. A yellow paint, fades to white within a year in two years' time. I'd like all the rooms to be white. What should I do? The answer began in one second g p, t four advise the rooms painted in blue need to be.

we painted the rooms painted in yellow dont need to be repainted because they would fade dwight before the deadline and, oh, I didn't think of that. It warned if you paint the yellow rooms white, there's a risk. The color might be off when the young, oh fades besides, it advised you'd, be wasting resources. Painting rooms, it we're going to fade Dwight anyway. You believe that chat jpg for understands. I believe it definitely understands yes and in five years time I think in five years time, it may well be able to reason better than us reasoning. He says is leading to a eyes great risks and great benefits, so on this area where this huge benefits is health care. I is already comparable with radiologist

understanding what's going on in medical images, it's gonna be very good. It does in drugs authorities designing drugs, It's an area where it's almost in Are you gonna do good? I, like that area, the risks or what. While the risks are having a whole course of people who are unemployed and not valued much because what they What they used to do is not done by machines. Other immediate risks, he worries about include fake news, unintended bias in employment and policing and autonomous battlefield robots. What is a path forward that ensure safety I dont know I do. I can't see a thing the guarantees safety that we're entering a period of great uncertainty where we're dealing with things we never dealt with before I normally the first

We deal with something totally novel. You got it wrong and we can't afford to get it wrong with these things can't afford to get it wrong. Why well, because they might take over take over from human. Yes, that's a possibility. Why would they not only will happen if we could stop them? wanting to that will be great, but is not clear. We can stop them ever wanting to Jeffrey. hunton told us. He has no regrets because of a high potential for good, but he says now is the moment to run spare amounts to understand a I for governments to impose regulations and for a world treaty ban the use of military robots. He wrote and it of robert oppenheimer who, after inventing the atomic bomb, campaigned against the hydrogen a man who changed the world and found the world beyond his control,

it may be. We look back and see this as a kind of turning point when she managed to make decision about whether to do about these things further and what to do to protect themselves if they did I don't know. I think my main message is this almost uncertainty about. What's going to happen next. these things do understand, I'm because they understand we need to god. I was gonna happen next and we just don't know. This podcast is supported by progressive a leader in boat insurance, welcome aboard to care free boating. Here, We don't worry about the what if's, because we explore with progressive boat insurance for as little as one hundred dollars per year for a basic liability policy, progressive, also for a variety of other coverages and can help you cover repair costs when you need it and with discounts like malta policy, safety courses, responsible driver and more

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most of his time, working to avoid a direct conflict with russia and china. While the country watched him have a very public falling out with former president trump, the man who picked him for that general millions time serving. President Joe Biden had its own challenges, including america, calamitous withdrawal from Afghanistan, as well as provide ukraine, with billions of dollars worth of american military equipment a few hours before we sat down with the general at the pentagon he'd had his final phone call with the commander of Ukraine's armed forces, counter offensive that the ukrainians are running is still ongoing. The progress has many. Many people have noted a slow but of his steady, and they are making progress on a day to day basis, but expelling two hundred thousand russians orators no easy task very hard for it. Or how long is this gonna look like this year, five years? Well, we can put a time on it, but it will be a concern by the time I was be long and hard and very bloody. Russia occupies

the one thousand square miles of ukraine. The frontline extends the distance from Atlanta too, washington, didn t in congress. This past week, republicans ended Kevin Mccarthy's speakership and for now more aid to ukraine according the white house of the one hundred and thirteen billion dollars already committed, there's only enough left to last a few more months with all of the issues facing americans at home. Why is this worth it? If ukraine losers and prudent win? I think you would be shortly increasing, if not doubling your defence budget in the years ahead and you will increase the probability, great bar war, the next ten to fifteen years. I think, it'd be a very dangerous situation if boots allowed to win ukraine. Russia, obviously, is what drives us meeting today The chairman of the joint chiefs is the commander. In chief principle, military advisor

commands no troops in battle. I am obligated, regardless of consequences, to give my advice to the present, but no president is obligated to follow them, these past argues. General milly invited us aboard the? U s: s constitution in Boston harbour not far from where he grew up, would only military in the world this, whereas an oath not to a king or queen, a tyrant would be tyrant or dictator. We share an oath to an idea, the idea that is american it at its embodied in that document, constitution which sets up our form of government in two thousand twenty one, general milly had counselled president Biden to keep two thousand five hundred troops in and around cobble. Instead, Mr Biden ordered a complete withdrawal to end a mirror. Cause longest war after

twenty years, the disaster that followed will be part of both of their legacies. I go through the entire withdrawal from Afghanistan chapter and verse all the time that was a strategic failure for the united states, the enemy occupied, the capital city of the country that your support, So to me that hurts that hurts a big way, but no matter what pain I feel or anyone else feels nothing comes even close to the pain of those that were due to those who served in afghanistan for to day ids and lost family members and friends and wonder: was it worth it? That's always the question right. So two thousand four hundred and sixty one killed in action by the enemy in Afghanistan over twenty years. Was it worth it? Look at. I can't answer that for other people that this is a tough business, this military business, it's unforgiving, the crucible of combat unforgiving people die

loser arms. They arms their legs. It's legs, it's an incredibly difficult life, but is it worth it? Look around? You ask yourself the question For me, I've answered it many times over and that's why stay uniform in us? Why I maintain he's coming. Into that oath would be both tested and question by donald trump. While their relationship began with kind words the after the general six insurrection, the two men, would not speak again, their public estrangement started. In the spring of twenty twenty, when protest for we shall just as some violent spread across the country included

washington d c, perhaps more than any other chairman in the role you have become ensnarled in politics and arguably threats to the constitution. What have you learned from that? I think it's important to to keep your north star, which is the constitution. We, the military, are not only apolitical. We are nonpartisan, you can pick sides june first, two thousand and twenty was that a turning point for you chairman, I think it was yeah. I realized day stepped into a political minefield, and I shouldn't have he's talking about the day when president trump threatened to invoke insurrection act and The! U s army, to put down the unrest on america, streets on the evening of june. First after demonstrators near the white house were removed by force chairman milly, dressed in battle fatigues joy, president trump and members of his cabinet. In a march across lafayette,

square to saint John church or mr trump pose for photographs. Ten days later, general milly apologized in his speech to graduates of the national defence the university. My presence in that moment and in that environment, created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics as a commissioned uniformed officer. It was a mistake that I have learned from it's rare for a chairman to apologize publicly. Well, I grew up here. Boston and irish catholic and my mother and father taught me that when you make a mistake, you admit it you go to confession, say ten hail marys and our father, everybody makes mistakes, and, and the key is how you deal with a mistake. After you apologized former president trump said you choked like a dog yeah, I'm not going to comment on anything the former said or not set general milly did tell us. He was so disillusioned with the former presidents actions. He near resigned instead, according to former and secretary more casper. He,

The general made a pact to protect the military for coming politicized or misused. It's also been reported that you spent several days several. Acts of resignation, letters I was very struck by the one that was published in which he said to the president: It is my deeply held belief that you are ruining the international order, causing signal damage to our country overseas. That was fought so hard by the greatest generation and nineteen. Forty five that generation has fought against. Fascism has fought against. Nazi ism has fought against extremists It's now obvious to me that you don't understand that world order. You don't think Donald trump understood what world war two was fought over. I don't know at present

and trump understood about world war, two or or or or anything else. I can tell you that from nineteen fourteen to nineteen forty five one hundred and fifty million people or thereabouts, were slaughtered in the conduct a great bar war in the nineteen forty five, the united states took the initiative and drafted up a set of rules that govern the world. To this day, those rules are under stress internationally. President Putin is a direct frontal assault on those rules. China is trying to revise those rules to their own benefit, but that's one thing to say that china is threatening that world order and russia is threatening that world order to say that the commander in chief donald trump, was ruining the international order and causing significant damage. What did you see that cause you to write? I would say that I'd be more than walking into lafayettes wearing uniform. There was Why variety of initiatives that were ongoing? One of courses with course, was withdrawing troops

nato. Those were initiatives that placed at risk. You know, I think them His role will now that is the opposite of what my parents and and eighteen million others, whether uniform for water to defeat general milly, doesn't just revere the greatest generation he was raised by it His father was a navy medic who served in the pacific campaign, including at the battle. You would gmo up his mother join the naval reserve to work as a nurse while this was and still remains, very patriotic, better After the war. They settled in winchester, a small town north of boston. Almost every single male and female apparent that was here there or to veterans of one kind or another the whole block really about one hundred percent. Interesting, no officers is four hundred percent listed and they have their own opinions of others.

and including your parents during high school, he was recruited to play ice hockey. Princeton university and decide. to join the reserve officers, training, core or see after graduating in nineteen eighty he went on to become a paratrooper and servant special forces. He did one combat torn iraq and three in afghanistan, razor right in this may he returned princeton to commission the gradual in order to see class gradually to everyone and took a particular interest or I could it in a few of the young officers, whose language skills are currently in high demand as speak. Chinese chinese is really the important to us anywhere. Speak Chinese! Well, one two, three, four: five! If you speak chinese, if you don't mind, I'd like to get your name, and will see where life takes, you guys, we, the united states, need to take the challenge. The military challenge of china, extraordinarily sir

How concerned, are you that military hurry to military communications are not happening right now, a china. I think we need to get those that wish to. We had them here at a time when they ve dropped off so channels of communication are important and what of the escalating timing general milly says he held a total of five calls with his chinese military counterparts during the trump Biden administrations, but it was His last two calls during the final months of the trump presidency that got the attention of the press congress and the former president himself Why did you think it was so important to call year china, Military counterpart in the aftermath of the january sixth attacks, that's an example of de escalation, so there was clear indications. that the Chinese were very concerned about what they were observing here and there it is always a movement of chinese military or anything classified so. I won't discuss exactly what we saw or didn't see.

we heard or didn't here. I would just say that there was clear indications that the chinese are very concerned. President trump recently said that your dad Wings with china were so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been deaf authorities over. But for the record was there anything anymore? for it or treasonous about the calls. You may do not zero none and I know there are authorized their coordinated conner. Knows that we ve answer these questions several different times in writing. Were you giving that chinese information about thinking of the president of the united states to specific oversight? was, I think, in accordance with the intent of the sector. Events, which was for the Chinese knew that we were not going to attack them. Why did the chinese think that U s under then present trumpet attack them. The chinese were concerned about what what is commonly for two in in the english language, like an october surprise where the dogs sort of thing

They were wrong. They were not reading us right. Look at present, tromp was not going to attack china and they needed another china. Russia and the war in ukraine are now the problem of successor, airforce general charles, You brown junior? There are also areas of concern closer to home last year. the army missed its recruiting numbers by fifteen? thousand soldiers, the worst shortfall in decades. Confidence in U s. Military is at its lowest in two decades. Do you bear any personal responsibility for that? Absolutely. I think I think, as the leader of the military, the uniformed military. I think that I am part of that for sure I think the walk from the white house to the ST john church. I think that helped create some of that. I think the withdraw from Afghanistan. help create some of that, but I would also say the ice. Its military is still. One of the most respected institutions in the united states by a long shot by huge margin,

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wait for it? Colonized, the moon, sound out of this world, take a look: what you're watching as the building? Actually the printing of affordable, I'm home and this construction site. There is no hammering fine, just a nozzles wording out concrete kind of like an oversized soft, serve ice cream dispenser laying down. the walls of a house, one layer at a time It's the brainchild of a forty one year old texan, whose rarely without his cowboy hat jason, ballard, Grady printing, a house. Yes yasmine people are gonna, hear them in saying no we're sitting inside one right now, this house was printed, yes, MA am

Hey. Are you ok at this welcome, and so was this one? Does a concrete home printed by a robot have to look cold and industrial house? Maybe not. I, like the curved wall. Ballard gave us a peek at the first completed model home in what will soon be the world's first large community of three d printed houses. Rid of them part of a huge new development north of austin they'll start in the high four hundred thousand dollar range. How exactly does three d printing house work? Will it starts with this one and a half tonnes sack of dry concrete powder, which gets me

except with water sand and additives, and is then pumped to the robotic printer or you're. Looking at how we can try the beet sauce, Connor jenkins, icons, manager of construction here explained that the printer completes one layer called a bead. Every thirty minutes, by which time it's hardened enough to be ready for the next If the steel is added every tenth layer for strength, the amount of change you're making at the time it takes about two weeks to print the full hundred sixty beat house jenkins, gave me the controls and ipad. So clever, that's a little skinny when you press the plus one real, quick, you done you, this increase the bead size. Incrementally I've been worried value, but it turns out the path is entirely reprogrammed. I couldn't mess it up. If I tried, I don't

I think that the most gorgeous beat I've everything. I think this will be the highest selling house for now, as jason. Howard showed us icon is only three d printing walls with cut out for plumbing and electricity windows and insulation, are added the old fashioned way by construction workers. He calls it a paradigm shift. Really is like a Wright brothers moment for aeroplanes in how we construct our housing. But We need a big shift like that, because, right now it is too expensive. It falls, If we're in a hurricane it burns up in a fire, it gets eaten by termites. The way you try to make it affordable, as you trim quality on, heroes you trim quality on labour and the result is these cookie cutter developments in like this is not the word like. We are not succeeding at something we have to get right. On top of that, it's an ecological disaster and I would certainly say it is extremely urgent that we shelter ourselves without ruining the planet. We have

live on fire resistant flood resistant when ballard showed us a sample of the three d printed wall beside a conventionally built. Why you say it's faster, more efficient? Yes, why do you say that what you ve

It was counter materials citing one more sure, barrier to sheathing three stud for drywall five and then float tape and texture. You can count that either as one or three, but you get at least half a dozen novel steps that have to take place to deliver an american stick framework system. By comparison, we need a single material supply chain delivered by a robot. Let's talk about waste yasmine over here with the end of constructing a home. With these materials there are truckloads and truckloads of waste. Leaped over these studies are gonna, have off cuts to go into a waste pile as deciding saint would drive will all, whereas with three d printing he says you only print right. We need so ensure, like an alien, came down to planet earth and saw these two ways a building in said from first principles, which is better. The ailing would go stronger, faster, termite resistant viruses like by a mile. This is the best way to build the old school construction workers. May disagree is what

if ballard sounds a little like a revved up salesman or a preacher, there's a reason for that. He grew up and east texas studious outdoors spiritual kid. First in his family to graduate from college, you were thinking of becoming an episcopal priest was almost in a fiscal priest. But along the way I sort of just like getting this like itch about housing, not being right. So I studied conservation biology. I got involved in sustainable building and I worked at the local homeless, shelter and so now I'm thinking about homelessness and I'm working in annabelle building along the way my hometown gets destroyed by hurricane and after go help my family Paul Well, drywall into their house. I feel, like life is just putting housing in front of me right as I've been like approved to go to seminary, and so I go to my bishop, the bishop of texas, Andy Doyle, he's still the bishop of texas

and I said what do I do and at the end he said jason. I want you to pursue this housing thing like this is your priesthood. This is your vocation and if it doesn't work out, the church has been here for a long time will still be here, but that must have turned the switch for you. It did it made it more than a hobby or a business. Whether is sort of became a mission he began person. When that mission with Evan loomis a buddy from Texas, a and m who had gone into finance as we looked at it like nobody, had incorporated kind of the holy trinity of innovation to housing, which was robotics, advanced materials and soft. where so, in a borrowed warehouse on nights and weekends and having read everything they could find about the mechanics of three d printing, they tried to design a three d printer that could make a building. How big was it? It was ten feet by ten feet by ten feet, so it would, it would have printed if we had ever got into work, which we did not.

It would have printed like a one hundred square foot like demonstration building they didn't get to work but enter alex larue Aris. The baylor engineering graduate who was tinkering with a similar idea. Did you ever actually build anything yeah? I did what was it? They printed shed shed, doesn't sound too cool, but it was a big milestone. It's a real truck the three cofounded icon in twenty seventeen and soon got funding to print a small house. One veil at austin, south by south, was festival the following spring day, build a new larger printer that worked out really excited gauges, our area We are printing, arose for permanent breeding britain now, but the kings hadn't been worked out, so one point. We ran the printer into the prince to explain that I'm supposed to go up and I went down and then drove into the house, pushed him

as of funny now but not so much at the time. Some engineers folks here, like helping, is sad us down and said guys has been a great effort, but you're not going to get there so like. Why? Don't you guys get some rest and we were basically like get here you're. Anyone who wants to to finish this home may stay. Everyone else needs to and the three of you all agreed on that we knew that we're onto something and like wait. This was like our shot and we weren't going to miss it, Alex they worked round the clock and made the festival deadline by just hours, the ballard any words with a victory lap. Never never. Never. I never thought I'd call I stand by those words, yeah sure yeah never give up. He shows ass. The three hundred fifty square foot finished house, it's a small little house, but it's kind of elegant while be that's not so bad and ineffective.

people felt better than they expected and it was easy to believe. Although get better. That's me a little house, one icon a lot of attention and innovate an award investors meetings with the military and with another austin innovator, Alan graham, who created a village called community first that provide small homes to several hundred of the formally homeless. Gall was relieved, the most despised outcast lost and forgotten of our community average time on the streets of nine years. Average age of death is deny its an absolute miracle out there, and so when we were ready to start building homes, one of the first order that we reached out to was Alan Graham. So I can't reedy printed welcome, centre and then six small houses for village residents, that's house

twenty three year old, TIM Shea, who battled heroin addiction for decades. In twenty twenty became the first person in this country to live in a three day printed home before I saw these houses in my mind. I thought it must be cold is shaken cause. You don't think that not just the opposite, you fail embraced. You know enveloped people, live better in the economic strategy, the men and women that we serve or going to be the last people on the planet that are going to benefit out of new technology, and he wanted to make sure that they were the first, the first person in north america, to live in a three day printed house was homeless, nasa

the years since have seen tremendous growth for icon a new factory to build more printers and improve the quality of its concrete and facility called print land to experiment with new designs I caught his printed small homes in rural mexico, vehicle hide structures for the marine corps. You you barracks, for the army on air force and a dilemma showcase home, featuring wavy walls and curves. That would be prohibitively expensive if built traditionally, but not when programmed into a three the printer. So in your minds, is your customer a homeless person or is your customer? May there's a trick here, because what our heart wants to do is to serve. The very poor has often been confusing for people to

dancing. I thought you guys are helping homelessness. Why are you building that fancy house yeah? I would resign if I was only allowed to build luxury homes and we would go bankrupt right now. If all we build was three percent margin home for homeless people that once this technology arrives in its full force, I think it fundamentally transforms the way we build and not just on the earth. Three d printing on the moon. When we come back when people are in crisis, there's no time to lose every day. Doctors without borders, teams are saving lives around the world, providing emergency medical care and supplies two people caught in the crossfire of war and conflict, treating injured patients in the aftermath of earthquakes and floods and research,

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ever humans, living and working on the moon, but for nasa that dream is almost within reach. Their new artemus programme plans to return american astronauts to the boon for the first time and more than fifty years, this time not just to visit but eventually to stay and even use the moon as a base for exploring mars and beyond, but staying on the moon requires infrastructure, landing, pads, roads, housing and your ten exactly bring to by force and sheet rock on a spacecraft. That's where three d printing comes in nasa is partnering, with jason ballads company icon

pioneer three d printing on the move to one left off of artemus. One last fall nasa launched the first in a series of artemus missions back to the next, with crew on board is scheduled for next fall and by the end of the decade, and I can If the printer is supposed to fly to the moon to test print part of a landing pad jason ballard, who once applied to be an astronaut but was rejected, can't wait if the schedule holds or even approximately holds the first object ever built on another world will be built with icon hardware. He wants icon to be the first company to make something on another world, so the we marshall space flight centre in huntsville alabama now

scientists, jennifer, edmonson and corky Clinton, run a program called impact, spelled m m p. I see tee to mars planetary, autonomous construction technologies. Well, you people at nasa. You come up with these very, very long names as well. We call the impact the key word. There is a thomas want to be able to make structures that we leave without having to be attended by boss, if you're going to have a truly sustainable presence on the lunar surface, you have to be as earth independent as possible. Nasa was interested in three d printing. Having look at an early version almost twenty years ago or someone they heard about the progress iconic made with their first houses in austin, corky Clinton travelled

to take a look being an engineer. I spent a lot of my time going round and looking at the size of the beads and how they went around the corners and I'll tell you. I was really impressed with what they got accomplished, impressed enough at nasa gave icon element, money and twenty twenty and then last fall Fifty seven million dollar contract work into space lab leslie. This figure out how to build on other worlds. Ballard. Evan Jensen, who leads the project, explained the fundamental challenge: to bring an object roughly the size from earth. HU, the moon surface would be one million dollars and think of how many sort of brick sized things we would need to do. Launchpad landing pad road habitats. So we have to learn to live off. The land have to learn to build it there and user materials from tyranny us network, but that's easy feet, it me

is using what's car lunar regulus, which covers the moon surface harder than concrete and water as a building material wrangle. Ass is made up of rock. That is hum all over billions of years from asteroids comments and things. Is it like sand? It's actually finer than sand. Icon has a big hub fully simulated moon, read a and they have invented and build a robotic system to three d print with you're, going to build all those roads and buildings. Out of this, that is correct to the robots will, but this is actually the mission that we are scheduled to fly. I, as he pointed out in this rendering our robotic arm With our laser system, they ve created all new way to three do print with lasers. Instead of nozzles wording out soft concrete, a high intensity.

laser beam will melt the powder reregulate to transform it into a hard, strong building material. Their running exe parents now using the laser to create a small sample red light were hot. Here we go, we were sean monitors, as the arm got into position. There's the laser about why things the laser? So it's melting right now, it's going up to say fifteen hundred degrees celsius and it's gonna completed second pass. You can say it emerging there, so the dark object on the screen. That's the object which made with the laser. They can add more regular and laser again and again, to build in layers to go as high as they want, which will be done remotely from earth. It takes hours to cool

So they showed me a sample they'd made days earlier. This is pretty darn hard. That's our lady value! hey, I'm holding the landed pad pretty cool. It's a scientific term icon send them to nasa where their blasted with especial plasma torch, a torch, will be about four thousand degrees to see. If they can take the heat A landing pad would have to withstand the torture so bright. You have to work, on a monitor deserve a few Minutes later out. It came. Oh just a little bit warm looks good.

Me, I don't see any loss of material. I don't see any crater, it survive the test pass the test with flying colours. The next test will be operating the entire robotic arm and laser we'll put it on the wall. Scale simulant bed side nasa's giant thermal vacuum chamber, which meant the moon's, extreme, cold heat and vacuum conditions. This is sort of like a bowers idea, to eventually send mobile three do printers to the moon. So this moves the printer around with a long, a robotic arm sticking out of the top too whatever is needed, and then they would the road, and then they would build those habitat ready today and it wouldn't stop there. If we can do we can do it on mars, and the moon is actually harder, its harder mars almost in every way easier, except for it so far, was easier-

They agree because for one thing mars doesn't have extreme temperatures swings still in my mind at science fiction, but in your minds it's absolutely. palm of your hand, it's going to happen. We can see the steps and the technology to get us there. Now that's thrilling its exciting started. Quality can't go backwards in blocks while I can says trying to three d print on the moon and mars, is helping with their work here on earth. They are formulating new mixes to reduce the carbon footprint of their concrete, where they will be thereby end of year and there Crying out more radical architecture, quite complex shapes and geometers, almost ripples on the surface of water patterned walls is very subtle. Look at this yet almost looks him possible next year, as in these renderings they'll be printing round holes,

I'll rooms and marfa texas, and futuristic looking designer homes a better monitored with a shower in a bedroom. Here, then here's some because of the interior pride. It gets you go it doesn't it where living at a time right where a lot of scenarios have been caught over promising hyping, I'm thinking of Sarah knows you're absolutely right in its a tougher thing than you know, because part of the job is to get your investors get your team and, in our case the world to believe the things you are saying the things you are saying, don't exist. Yet you need, if you need to get them to believe. So it's hard to know. But even in this year I actually haven't yet told you all the things I believe we're going to do. Measuring myself giving one example, something while I mean in the future. I think.

most buildings will be designed by. I most products will be run by software Almost everything will be built by robots and I don't think that's that far away. I and my age find that very day. pressing, her, I'm sure young living it alone that world housing will be more abundant, more affordable, more beautiful. It will make this version of housing. Look depressing by example. You know that expression, if it seems too good to be true, it is, or You know that expression, but cars and aeroplanes and moon landing seem too good to be true for a moment as well, and so like, maybe that one I can give you think, I'm betting, my life on it, like I have this one precious lie: to live in, I'm using it to do this, and if I could think of a better way, I'd be doing that instead or go fishing like it's just so hard.

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