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to kill him, calling nine one one ma'am I have. I killed my boyfriend in self defense kinda. Where are you on october, twelfth of two thousand and twelve, which was a friday night shady years had called the police. And said that she had killed her boyfriend in self defence. what immediately to the highland heights police department. What's more, she had already been transported there by the first responders to the scene. What was his name killed. Ryan posted in two thousand twelve was a twenty nine year old lawyer who

in mostly civil law. It was very successful, very good practice. Smart, smart winning, walk into a room. He immediately demanded attention and he got it here, amerika looking guy and he had a very big car China shame it. Time was a twenty one year old. Recently, graduated college student from university contact with psychology degree very, very bright, smart, individual and an obvious issues very pretty too They work together for a few months at a time, and then they were fight for some time period. that their relationship was on and off would probably be an understatement. It was a roller coaster driving around like picking me up like had might be, I was in

adjoining room with a video monitors. I was watching this live pull me by my hair of she talk nonstop if you go to jail? Are you allowed to sit your phone hour after hour. violence. I knew he crazy two hours and forty something minutes. I believe I might headbanging things the facts and the evidence did not support her claim of self defence. My name is michel. Snug rest. I am the prosecutor in the case of china, hers the She was putting on a shelf. She was dancing. She was last thing

She was snapping her fingers and saying I did it. It was like An evening with Shayna huber's like on broadway, I have never seen someone who is so desperate to tell her story too. Anyone who would listen. Can I talk to you And then. I never saw one emotion would have indicated remorse gun lying on the table. If she was that afraid she could go out the door. Or use your daughter. A murderer China hubris it's not a martyr now she is. The

the Are you really think about? Never guess you don't think something like that, has ever gonna happen to somebody now man here.

Still struggles to make sense of what happened the night of october, twelfth two thousand and twelve, when his close friend ryan poston was killed. Is there something I could have done that could have prevented that, and I know a lot of people in his life had to have felt the same way. How did things spiral so out of control between ryan and his girlfriend shane at huber's that she shot him to death, insisting it was to protect herself what was lost when your friend was shot and killed? He's the type of person that you want in your life? Not just a friend but a loving son, a protective adoring older brother. He had three younger sisters that he absolutely adored.

Ryan's family was close knit, even though his parents divorced when he was little. He was extremely close to his father j posten and when his mother remarried to Peter Carter, ryan thought of him as a second father, had two men loved him like a son, he wanted to express how big of a wrong both of those men played in his life so If he hadn't his middle name, legally changed to carter. He was very proud of that. What did he want to do? What did you see him doing in the years ahead? You know I used to show that I would run his first political campaign forum for free Sarah robinson who grew up with china in Lexington Kentucky, so shane, as future seem promising as well and how smart was she thought she was close

genius, in my opinion I mean she always was an ap classes. Always getting aids and everything. China receive countless awards for academic excellence and leadership. She liked to succeed it anything and everything that she did and that included music and drama. Wish you good actress. She thought she was Sarah says back in high school shayna also had a real flair for the dramatic when it came to boys. If a guy like broke up with her or something or for god just said they weren't interested in or she would take it pretty hard. Crying and maybe a little screaming generally like to let things go. It was a sight of china. Ryan would come to know all too well. Sheena went school in lexington, more than eighty miles away.

From ryan's condo in highland heights, the two probably never would have met if it weren't for facebook. He spotted provocative photos. of her and they started dating in the spring of two thousand and eleven. He was twenty eight and a lawyer. She was nineteen and a college student and wish happy a near. She seemed to be happy and she you never said that there was anything wrong in the relationship judicious always there, but according to ryan's friend alley wagner, there was plenty wrong, right from the start. How did she react when she first met you? She was so called you can just immediately how she wishes to obsessed with him. I think she had a goal in the beginning to make him settle down with her and when she wasn't becoming successful, that became a problem He was very busy with work. He wasn't really look

for any one. He had tried to end things. A few times, but roy was having a tough time getting china to let go Shanna admitted in a text to a friend. He says he's only with me, because I make him feel so awful about it. When I cry He didn't want to hurt her feelings. Unfortunately. just refused to take. No for an answer. And so the two were on again off again for eighteen months would come by his place when she was in town to sharpen, announced absorbing. As Sheena became, more possessive ryan's exists Racial and concern grew in a text to his cousin. He wrote this is getting to be restraining order level crazy. She shown up at my condo like three times and refuses to leave each

He also complained about china's obsessive behaviour and facebook message to Alan literally probably the craziest person I have ever met. She almost scares me I wish I had said if she scare issue or if she's crazy Just walk away: instead, he kept taking her back. I think it was playing mind whether ryan's neighbour, Nicky, carnes claims, There is another side to this turbulent relationship. Shanna complained to her. That ryan was emotionally abusive, She would always tell me that he would say she knew the big job or a face laughed and that she was fat. She needed to lose some way. Why? Wouldn't she loved? I guess, because she was young and she always told me she loved him. She picked up a laundry she did as laundry. She took his dog out.

She went on bottom filled. She did everything form. Could there have been a ryan that you didn't know now someone that had a dark side now in the ten years. I knew I m never once raised his voice. He's always been the same. Super nerdy super sweet ryan hope China had. Finally, the message when he told her he wasn't going to see her that weekend of october, twelve, two thousand twelve, what he didn't tell her was that he had a date with hope world class beauty, audrey faulty missile high. U s say two thousand twelve, whom he also met on facebook, but he did tell alley of former beauty pageant contestant herself new audrey she's, very beautiful, very Ya know that kind of stuff,

ryan was perfect match for her. He was really excited to go ryan and miss ohio, we're supposed to meet at a bar that friday night, but shane showed up at his condo and ryan. Never made me inside you and I didn't I didn't get my name anyway. Did you shoot em not even now minutes ago someone? Someone and then waiting fifty minutes to call that in itself was bizarre. Lieutenant dave for nash and his partner were the first to arrive on the sea. I want you to go to your front door. I want you to open it ad block outside a doorway here. and in front of you well in your instructor to go underground. Does

the apartments all ryan posters body on the floor in the dining room behind the dining room tape police escorted china to the station, knowing she Had shot ryan to death, a guy but was it to save her life or had she entered ryan's condo with apply and to take years the even seasoned investigators could never have imagined what what unfold in the hours after shiny hubert, killed, ryan poston. It was crazy. You wouldn't believe from the moment lieutenant Aid for nash brought her under that interrogation. Room. Shame is behaviour. Was bizarre. These you,

because he started Lee. She started making noise as if she was crying or trying to cry or wailing This is he, walked out room. She stopped immediately police chief bill birchen how're Hauer was immediately suspicious, like a light, switch exactly. What do you think and when you see the right off the bat I'm thing in that she's pretending she wasn't crime, no tears came out of her eyes says you have the right to remain silent. Sheena was then read her rights law and, although she asked see a lawyer. I didn't want to hear back, so I can't ask you any questions at all. She found it impossible to remain silent. Can you can't figure you favour taught us the way right

It seemed like she was constantly this babbling pretty a journal with a bunch of it. She talked so much that the officers were wanting to leave the room. Now, can you shouted- and you just can't relate they were switching also, they would burn out communism. For almost three hours, shane had told anyone who would listen about an alleged history of abuse by ryan or leading up to a fight in which she says she feared for her life, because he'd hit my head on the headboard and but the more she taught the more her words would come back to haunt her. story, never stayed the same beginning with exactly how ryan's gun ended up in her hands screaming at me tell me

easy easy by all accounts ryan who owns several guns and was licence to carry had a habit of placing hand gun on the dining room table after coming home from work again. and in the middle of him, They are saying something crazy shot. This time she told police that she picked up the gun off the table, while ryan was yelling at her, but remember, Shayna had told the nine one one operator a different story about Wrestling the gun away from him, but she didn't stop at one bullet and she described The final moments of ryan's life, the details were beyond disturbing

He was laying with his face on the table like twenty, and so I knew he was going to die. I walked around and I think that's what I shot him in the head. I shot probably six times solid enough that he found on the grounds of review on your switches. The more I saw a couple of times is amazing. He didn't say that she was worried about him suffering. She said that she couldn't stand to see. That is why she finished him off.

if someone's wounded on the ground, someone that you love, wouldn't you attempt to resuscitate to save rather than shoot him or calling I'm one one. Instead sheena admitted she way at least ten minutes to call for help. We were to pause right now for ten minutes. It would be interminable to this audience how long a period of time that is and she's not calling nine one one. Why do you believe that the case if he was the live than he would have us? where to do. He was helpless prosecutor, michelle Snodgrass, he laid there helpless and she walked over and shot him again and again and again, that's not self defense and he was going to die, who had a completely different day is everything and want to get a nose job just that kind of person, and I'm right here.

I gave you wanted my job at the floor and I said to myself: did she really say that and China had plenty more to say. even when china wasn't speaking her action spoke volumes to investigators who were watching from the other room. Not only did she dance and twirl She even sang amazing grace. How do you respond to what we're looking at here is a woman, in shock. Someone who is in shock does not pure wet within hours of pudding. Six bullets into rhine, posten and watching him die she danced

inside I'm not sure I'm gonna have to try humor, she knew huber's was arrested for murder. My degree, murder or her degree ryan had been shot six times pretty much. Every side of his body he'd been shot at. Doesn't that fits someone who fears for her life at that moment that she's being attacked that she has to use excessive force to put down? the threat it more likely indicates somebody who's very angry. The investigation was far from over shane claims, ryan had a dangerous temper and she can. prove it listen to more Sheena Huber's nine one one call on facebook. Forty eight hours.

Chess board today is how it was on the day. Ryan died mid game with the pieces, unchanged from where it was then ryan postings, friend, mentor and chess rival attorney can holly relish those competitive matches. That would sometimes stretch. out over days- and I haven't been able to let it go really, but now that chessboard sits in his office frozen in place a metaphor for a life cut short. when somebody is raised, an early age like that. What has the world lost by not having the benefit of what they would have come into being Can and his legal assistance lorries Zimmermann had office.

In the same building is ryan. They witnessed china's obsessive behaviour and the toll it took on him. If she couldn't get him on his cell phone, she called the receptionist ask form or should show up. Here I mean it was relentless. She would text him due to one hundred times a day. She would just wear him down and exhaust him to the point where he would say: okay, shayna and he just kept doing the easy thing which was staying with her When ryan left work for the last time, the evening of october twelve, two thousand twelve, he told lorry about his big date and he said for the big smile on his face. I have a date with miss ohio tonight Hi his news gave:

laurie and uneasy feeling about china, and I said I am very nervous about what you're doing tonight, because who knows what china will do you need to get our gone? I need you to call the police. I need you to call locksmith. I need you to make it very final and in that was when he said, hey lorry I've got Don't you worry about me hours later, ryan was dead. I knew she was a stalker. I thought that she was perfectly capable of causing a scene but murderer. What do you think happened that night he died. I think that she went over their tried to talk him out of breaking up other ryan's friend alley wagner. And I think he just as grounds for the first time.

I think he just said no like this isn't working. I think she picked up the gun and shot him in her mind. This was a failure of sorts and china didn't fail. Shanna humours is someone who is used to getting her way. The movie fatal attraction comes to mind, so you won't answer my calls. You change your number on me. I'm not going to be ignored dan. He was trying to break up with her, and I think that change was not going to be broke up with chief birchen how're, says the proof is in a start. Sheen trove of texts and emails investigators discovered in numbers, unlike anything they'd ever seen. Hundreds of thousands of mess, such as hundreds of thousands, yes and most of the messages, were from shayna for every one new message, ryan,

sense. She probably sent fifty. She couldn't stop herself here at once. Look inside this tortured relationship. Back in february of two thousand twelve, eight months before ryan's death, he wrote shane out, you can tell people you broke up with me part of her reply. I love you dearly far more than you deserve, then in march ryan pleaded Shanna, stop texting me and in April he texted. I no longer have the patience to deal with you. They'll riles of bright. He's a lawyer. Why didn't he get a restraining order, wonder the law in Kentucky he didn't qualify for a restraining order. The law in kentucky basically requires the two to have been living together or to have been married. Instead, ryan tried to take matters into his own,

and another text in April this time from ryan to his cousin. She came to my: based on sunday morning, and I literally had to pick her up and throw her into the hall still ryan- couldn't close the door on their relationship, the two or bacteria, that summer but thing soured again in late august and ryan text, Shanna, I'm turning off the phone and pad locking the door, and then she keeps texting there at least one huh, Read messages until finally, at some nine hours later under this barrage, ryan says I'm not reading any of these stop. What does that tell you about shane behaviour behavior well. This goes back to she's obsessed with rhyme posting.

China once again showed up at his door. She had her own key ryan had to leave his own condo. Leave shane in their go spend the night was his father because she would not leave and she continued with him. While the prosecution insist, ryan was the one being stopped and living in fear sheena told police that times. She was also afraid of him gas. Now I think that the guy pointed at my face. the dog. What would you do. A lot of information is going to come out about this relationship and about what happened that night defence attorney john Paul Ryan. This was the case of anything but self defence. This is a case where china was acting to save her own dignity in her own safety.

The defence team claims there are plenty of facebook messages right. sent his friends that show he as a young man consumed by anger, he'd had a falling out with his ex law partner, who was suing him august, sixteenth, two thousand and twelve less than two months before he was shot and killed. He says, and I want to rig explosives to every the thing I see. I don't think anybody's denying that ryan wasn't going through an emotional time. He was upset about being sued by his former law partner. His rage was never in any of these messages directed at china Huber's, not one october. Fourth, two thousand and twelve. Ryan rights. This there's nothing. I want more than just scorch the effing earth

and leave this entire city in a pile of burnt rubble, he's fantasizing about doing a violent acts and, just days later, according to shame, he attacks her, but that wasn't a violent act directed to any so you have to put it in context. He does not say he wants to hardy person. Pressures, building up he's got a girlfriend that won't let go he finally, snap Why shouldn't? We believe that there is no evidence of the crime scene indicated ryan posed in one after shining yours nothing's knocked out. No signs of a struggle and. are you buying this notion of self defence at all? Not one bit, not one ben? These photos of shanna, taken after her arrest, show some light bruising, but still insist, there's no evidence of a life or death struggle now

the young woman suspected of cold blooded murder heads to court to ask a judge. to let her out of jail. This case was always to me about a senseless act. Senseless can never quite make sense of what happened on october, twelve,

I could never make sense of why, where I'm posting life was ended, why couldn't shoot at huber's a brilliant and beautiful grad student simply walk away from her troubled relationship with ryan poston? I think it's really sad. It's just it's kind of heartbreaking. Shane, his childhood friend, Sarah Robinson, barely recognizes the sweet kind hearted girl she once knew. I saw a mugshot. That was, I think, the first thing that I saw that really made me take a step back and just be like. Oh my god, what did it look like it looked like someone was who was? and like someone who had just been through hell? It is june tenth, two thousand fourteen, almost two years since ryan's Jeff Shana has

and in jail the entire time she is hired. A new defence team, led by David may here at a bail hearing, they are joined by shyness mother Sharon Hubert's shanna within the gifted and talented programme in assurance, a retired school teacher, is proud of her child's academics ass? She graduated cum laude in three years at the university of Kentucky. Shame was pursuing a masters degree in school guidance counselling at the time of this tragic. We want people to know after reading that

What do you want them to know in relation to this case? China Hubert's is not a child, a girl, a parson that would martyr someone that would wake up and say: ok, I'm going to shoot somebody, and I want the world to know who shane it is, and I want the big here from her through sharon's testimony. We also learn about the twenty four hours leading up to ryan's death thursday October eleventh two thousand twelve, the night before ryan die well, the first, and only vice presidential debate, the vice presidential candidates, We're slogan it out in a televised debate, ryan brought shame.

overdue. His mother and step father's place to watch it, and then she slept over at his condo. He wants to break up whether talk about mixed. Signals. Why is she stay the night at this place? That is a question that I think a lot of people want. An answer to I dont know if it was part of ryan's attempt to lead her down easy. Start now, ryan had already said he didn't want to see her that weekend? Perhaps that's? Why a distraught sheena hold her mother from ryan's shortly after three, a m. Was she emotional upset? Yes, she she wanted mama, yes, she I knew something was wrong: Sure says she met up with her daughter at ryan's place around five thirty that morning, when he woke up. Saw the chain hearers mom was inside his condo.

she his mom was inside his condo absolute, I had come in on her own in the middle of the night, had driven from lexington to sit with her daughter. She wanted to lay on the couch and put her feet in my lap and she she does relationship with her mother. What was that, like, I think, she's very close to her mom. I think her mom fur again portion of our life could have very well that our best friend that china has been blessed. Thing to me. She's my whole life sharon, Hubert, would like her daughter, to be released to her custody, but press cuter Michel's, not grass, believe china is a flight risk because of what she told police. why are you wearing it I'll get my car mainly because I knew what I can tell you that How can anyone also sought to get better

shayna needs to convince the judge that she's, not a flight risk and by shooting ryan. Not read to society on the stand. She paints a picture of herself as a model. Girlfriend I was going through a lot needed moral support and I was always good to her, but she also just she had a reason to fear him clean Ryan was obsessed with guns. Every year in the house. You are always at an arms link from a gun or a weapon of some sort. That concerned you, oh.

Yes, we'll just lay in every word pick. One open showed a book on the shell for something ended that with china in the congo on numerous occasions. Is it true that rule on at least one occasion to target practice inside his own conduct? We don't know if you did target practice inside his own condo. We do know that there was a book that had in a wood on it and in some halls bullet holes. Yes, he was always very careful in his handling of firearms. Ryan's friend maharan insists he was a responsible gun owner iowa Never something that I worried about china insists? She was worried enough to shew Brian in self defence, and she thought that when she explained it to police that night, they would

please her? I believed in my innocence and I wanted to see my mother and go home now. The witness stand is about to turn into the at seat. He told you he needed to not be around to he that ryan. turns volatile relationship with china. Cuba's had become a house of mirrors, nothing was as it appears his friend lorries Zimmermann says that while the couple appeared to have reconciled in the weeks before his death there romance was rocky, he wasn't happy about dating thing. He rose again from the very start. He was working too

not date. China, givers anymore ryan's neighbour, Nicky carnes, says from what she witnessed in the months leading up to ryan's death. The relationship was toxic. I was awoken Adam I sleep by some screaming and yelling outside, and they were argue in. This is something that was like happen. Quite often was this a nasty argument? Yeah everyone has a breaking point had And reached his, I think shiner rates, ptarth prosecutor, Michel snot grass, believes rejection and rage sent china over the edge. Snot grass confronts her about ryan's repeated it. Attempts to break up with her

Well, let's put six bullets, didn't that they'd broken up time and time again and gotten back together. Why did she get violent this time question. I think that she believed was over for good and she wasn't going to have that. The fireworks continue at the bail hearing over shane has different accounts of how ryan's gun up in her hands full nine one. Why you had the guy out MR kirsten's hand, is that France, I did say that, but you told the police something different: and then I use the gun with the stick picked it up off the table. I did

I can see this is A sig sauer p, two thirty, eight three, eighty caliber semi automatic handgun. This is the weapon that was used in the shooting of ryan poston. She released the safety, pointed the gun at ryan poston and shot him into rights. The head chief, birchen how're believe changes admission that she really the safety on the gun is evidence of premeditation I believe. As soon as she released the safety she made the decision that she was going to kill him. It is a sign, in my opinion it she had time to think about. It show me how

release the safety safety which, right there you you can't pull the trigger in order to make this gun operate, you have to release to safety. Now the guns ready to go, and then you just pull the trigger, and is it an extra step for that? You have to think about. The gun itself also contained critical forensic evidence, a trace of ryan's blood, and what does that tell you one or more of the shots were so close to the body trigger, was pulled. The blood came out and had landed on the gun, meaning chief, broken how're believes that china move closer to ryan for the final kill shots. There was never a time after the first shot that he on his feet, but shane now insist. It was ryan who was moving towards her, despite what she told police after ryan state

he was still moving. He was still coming to murphy. First, two shots. We thought were far crackers and then there was four more and then we knew as gunshot ryan's downstairs. Neighbors vernon and doris west heard gunshots that night, but no fight and what was the sequence of the shots? Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang! If either of you hear any arguing in that condo above you did you hear shouting, never never never did never do so. If there had been a fight going on up there or physical struggle between the two of them, shane had been thrown cross the floor. Would you have heard it yet. I believe that we, as the price

If insists that, even if Sheena initially thought ryan was a danger to her, she didn't need to keep shooting him. She had the door behind her with no obstructions. Why didn't she just go the defence maintains that kentucky so called stand. Your ground law says a person does not have a duty to retreat prior to the use of deadly physical force, but the prosecutor believe shane is decision to keep shooting proves a murderous intent. She now that random house had somewhere else that he had to be someone else that he was meal and she wasn't gonna. Let that happen in his questioning of china. Defence attorney David may hear turns the table on the prosecution driving home shane is contention that she had to use deadly force to save herself

What did you believe would happen if he got out after having been shot twice? suit me. He would hurt me as you well know she has been portrayed as Strangely, obsessive a liar a murderer, it's been horrible. She grew up and she's not a murderer. Word evil has been used to describe your daughter she's far from evil. China has a heart of gold she's like from mommy a loving spirit. That's what I want the world to know in the end, judge fred stein sets bail at one point: five million dollars too much

for shame is parents to afford now, as the case heads to trial, how will the defence team overcome the one witness who could destroy any claims of self too? hence that witness twirling, singing loquacious, shanna, cubes Are you on the sad when someone curses you away and pulls you back in and pushes you away and pulls you back in Shayna huber's takes center stage. There were times when he had my head going, in different directions to where I don't even know. If that was my boyfriend or not, or whether it was to me Was she obsessed? This is getting to be restraining order level crazy, I'm not kidding. She needs help or in fear, for her life

here, the defence claims she was abused. I feel like I was led, I feel like I was manipulated, used and abused, but the prosecutors not buying any of it during during this whole time that we're talking about two thousand twelve how you saying was I with like. Are you saying that I was present? if you slash with ten different men during two thousand and twelve for I may have slept with ten guys in two thousand the other relevant amiable forty eight hours obsessed next hey prime members, you can listen to the forty eight hours podcast ad free on amazon, music, download the amazon music ab today, or you can listen ad free with wondering, plus an apple pie, gas.

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