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versus lorry noreen value. A k, a lorry marine data defendant count, one can speak met first degree murder out rather than by versus remoter count. Three conspiracy to commit first to be murder or first degree, murder, count five conspiracy to met first degree, murder. The crimes are on the matter. by lorry validate else did trial for the murder of her own children. Sixteen year old, timely, Seven rural J J. She was also accused of killing tammy Debo, the wife of her current husband, Chad, the judge in there

It did not allow cameras in the idaho courtroom during testimony, but we have audio and transcripts of the proceedings. Here was prosecutor, lindsey, blake, money, power and sex. That's what this case is about. It didn't matter what obstacles she had to remove to get what she wanted, and if it was a person it didn't matter who the lorry was a beauty contest. Anybody you spoke to. Laurie back then said that she was like the mother of the year. The problem really seems to have started when lorry started following Chad day bell jaguars podcast or an author of doomsday novels. Then, in late, two thousand nineteen lorries to

children, mysteriously disappeared meantime lorry in Chad or on the beach, and why, having the time of their lives, they get married and they wouldn't talk to police at all, and they wouldn't tell anybody where the kids were even after lorry was arrested. She still refuse to say anything about where the kids How come you're not telling anybody where your kids are, people that looked all over the country for these kids months after vanishing into thin air, the remains of jj, Velho and tiley ryan were found buried here in chad de belles backyard. What we have gathered was that Chad had this belief that some people who are on this earth weren't really the people they were supposed to be. There were zombies and the only way to release their spirits was to kill the bodies, and if that

not disturbing enough. Lorry started referring to her children as zombies. She had this grading system where she reed, read people's auras and they were either darker light and shade had described highly as having a dark. I feel like she's kind of a monster, but defence attorney Jim Archibald claimed. There was no way for the right to have committed the crimes that was in her own apartment, rexrodt, idaho, when J J, mallow, entirely ryan guide and laurie washing away when Tammy day about died, I've a lot about why this story, he had such a chord with a wide variety of people, and I think it's because these kids, and then, when you throw in the cult aspect of this We certainly seem movies with all of this, but I'm not

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so you can spend more time with the ones who matter most visit, insecure dot com to get free delivery on your first three orders offer valid for a limited time, ten dollar minimum per order additional term supply. Can you tell me where your kids are? Did you do something to your children, where your children welcome back lorry? Where Kids, you wanna say lord glory, beginning in two thousand nineteen brewery velo de belle spent months denying from seen. Children were in danger, many, including sister somewhere. Shiftless believed her at the time. Some he's not adding up here? Where are they whereas J J entirely? great question. We would love to know the answer to that. We don't know, but we know what we are very calm

that lorry women never harm her children ever, but during four weeks of testimony, the prosecutor, chipped away at the facade of the former beauty contest it until it exposed laurie although data for the person it claimed, she really was prosecutors, have painted a picture of somebody who is ruthless. morgan low is an investigative reporter and CBS news consultant somebody who would do anything to get what she wants according to the prosecution, Laurie was a master puppeteer pulling strings in a heinous murder plot that left three innocent people dead her. Sixteen daughter tightly ryan, her seven

old son, gigi fallow and tammy day bell chanty bells wife of almost thirty years. It didn't matter what obstacles she had to remove to get what she wanted. forty eight hours has been following the twisted saga of the so called pulp mom and her paramour, day bell, since this story broke in two thousand nineteen months before the remained her two children were discovered in shallow graves in chad, day bells back yard. When we started. It was almost inconceivable to friends like April raymond that she would harm her children. She did everything for J J, everything for timely. They were the centre of her world, and so,

I'm not sure why hijacked that priority april met lorry in two thousand fifteen in hawaii. At the time lorry was married to businessmen charles value. The couple were raising two children tightly: lorries, teenage daughter from her former marriage and their adopted son J J, who was diagnosed with autism j J was very. difficult to take care of it. So I really admired how patient she was with him and how much care she took of him. His big sister Justice devoted to him says tyler s best friend, by see, I hope I loved being around J J entirely tell them is really protective over J J and she was kind of like another moment to him

Are you my child? Your child? Might I just kind of loved how she would just play with him and just always have like a really good time with him, and I really love jj he's the sweet, it's all I've ever met, but around two thousand and seventeen friends see laurie's relationships with her kids began to shift about the time she started. Reading the books of chad de belle, I have recently released my autobiography day. Bell was a former grave digger turned doomsday novelist and pod, castor from Rex margareta, idaho. He tapped into this proper element out. Their people who wanted to prepare for armageddon luring met job for the first time in two thousand eight team. At a conference in Saint george, you

the first time Chad met lorry. He told her that they had been married in a past life. He said he was jane, and she was a lane and that they had lived this biblical life in the past and in dead of scaring raw seems to have attracted her. even though lorry waste still mary to charles valor and Chad was mary, the mother of his five children tammy day bell friend, Melanie GIB, testified. The too soon began an affair. did lorry ever tell you directly that she and Chad would meet hotels or motels. Yes, did Lori ever indicate to you whether or not she and Chad were engaged in an affair. Images share that they were intimate witnesses, testified that lorry took on chad, extreme religious beliefs. Morgan, low law,

We believe that she was chosen to lead the one hundred forty four thousand after the apocalypse to lead survivors of the human race to an eternal life while the rest of society burned. She also believed had been appointed another more ominous role, says April. of her mission on earth, was to eliminate the darkness. The demonic the evil April says one of those evils. Its according to Lurie was heard. Then husband, Charles fallow The way she had explained to me about Charles was that Charles was already dead and that their as a demon living inside of him for the first time we heard a trial that lorry held what she called casting ceremonies. It involved into a circle with other. Like minded, followers and care setting out dark spirits from people;

getting rid of demons. Lorries. Friends, lemme Pakistan is attended several of these castings certain stance. I can only be cast out by pair then fasting here she is on the stand. Talking about one of the demons lorry claimed was live inside charles and what I said that spirit or demons name they called him mad men, schneider to be precise, come over here in jail. worry of two thousand and nineteen charles was so spooked by louise ramblings about the demon named ned. He called police orders. You say after you said you're, not charles. I don't know who you are, what you get with trump. Their conversation was recorded on the officer's body, cam, okay. So what makes her a danger to herself into other? They murder me kill me. She breton murder, you in the winter

two thousand nineteen charles change, the beneficiary of is one million dollar life insurance policy from lorry to twin sister, woodcock, jays, biological grandmother. after almost thirteen years of marriage? Charles filed for divorce charlie Fellow had good reason to be scared. Are you sick of hr busy work like entering tongue of data for every employee, constantly fixing payroll errors and using a bunch of apps to get it all done. Of course, you are because its also unnecessary with pay com, employees enter and manage their own info and even help ensure payroll is done right, the first time, all in one easy to use app break through The unnecessary with pay com learn more at pay com, dot com. Flash wondering that's pay, conduct,

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or wondering app. On the morning of July, eleven two thousand nineteen charles balogh went to the chandler arizona home of his strange wife, laurie thou to pick up t, J and taken to school. He goes into the house lorry and highly engaged are there, and so is alex Cox, Alex Cox, lorries brother at trial, laurie. Friends, lemme pests dennis who would later Mary alex testify that choice. Had assigned him a mission ordained by god chat, had told him that he was going to be a warrior defender and the sole purpose for him coming to this earth was selected. Could be lorries protector and defend dive. Alex believed us absolutely sure

We have to charge entered lorries home that summer morning, in two thousand nineteen alex Cox, the defender shot him dad I'm on one. Where is Europe at eight thirty six, a m Alex calmly called nine. When one braving the campo said. I need a report, a shooting. I shot. My brother in law in self defense heard already live. What is not moving the survived, shot. This video of Alex on the curb outside the home, Alex told them charles and lorry, got into a fight So you both. So you get an argument. What is it over over? My sister is getting physical with her, so my niece Alex told them he got between charles and laurie and shot charles in the chest when Charles charged at him at some point, laurie, tiley and jj

into the car and left lorry takes J J to school and she comes back later with timely police body cameron. Caught the moment, highly space was blurred because she was a minor alive. You lived here, oh geez, yeah, ok, Georgia like what was striking about the footage that we saw was that there's no remorse there's no! Oh, my gosh, my huh. Dad lorry Alex entirely were questioned at the police headquarters. All told syn their stories of self defence and were sent home three days later. Tat laurie we're exchanging steamy texts. Here's fbi, agent, doug heart reading, one on the stand I need so badly to just gently kiss you four hours it would actually lead to other activities likely.

Luckily it with luckily led to nakedness, but prosecutor, say the lovers were and form a big surprise. They were about to find out that Charles had changed the beneficiary of that one million dollar life insurance policy. Here's detective nathan duncan reading lorries. to Chad after she found out, I just got the letter from the insurance company saying that I am not the beneficiary it's a spirit through my heart. This One of the strongest points that prosecutors have made is that lorry was motivated by money. She wanted Charles's money accord.

Two prosecutors lorry started drawing this social security death benefits, J J received from his father, Charles Bello. She moved with her two kids to rex provide a whole not far from our chat data lived with his wife, tammy lorries, brother, Alex Cox, her designated defender, moved into the same complex. He was there to take care of the problems. Prosecutors, alleged laurie The first problem was her. Sixteen year old, daughter, tiley ryan. According to his dilemma, Laurie told her that a demon named Hillary had taken over tyler's body. Now, if somebody is possessed by a demon or are those people dangerous, they are considered to be dark and to bring only bad things to happen. so yes will be dangerous. These are the last known pictures of highly ryan on September

Two thousand nineteen. She was with lorry J J and Alex at yellowstone national park. The sixteen year old was never seen again. Timely was J J protector. once she was gone, J J had nobody yet nobody to protect him or watch out for him. Just two weeks later, gigi fellow went missing. This photo of gigi wearing red pajamas was taken out of town. For twenty second, two thousand nineteen, it is the last known photo of him Melanie, give who was staying at lorries how's. That evening says she saw Alex, take J g upstairs she believes to lorries room, but the little boy was nowhere to be seen the next.

When it is that when she told you j J was a zombie gas bellamy, give told prosecutors alex cots believe J J was a zombie as well and he hundred percent according to their religious teachings of zombie had to be killed, the body had to die and the body count was climbing. According the prosecutors laurie Chad had identified another evil spirit in the way. What we learn from witness, after witness is the chad told some people that his wife was not, to be around much longer, he was gonna have a life before Tammy and the life after Tammy. The

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the amazon, music or wondering app. Don't we after J J was last seen and two months before the world would learn that the children were missing, lorry ways, planet or fifth wedding at trial prosecutors. the fbi. Specialists to the stand. Did you whether or not there never a successful purchase of wedding rings. There were on october. Second, in team there was just one problem: Chad was still married to Tammy data, but that was about to change course. Debo is one of five develop children. I was asleep. I heard a thumb I heard my dad o garth garth come quick guard found his mother forty nine year old,

emmy debo lying half on the bed, half on the floor, just ran over and picked her up and put it back on the bed said to my dad. I said I think she's dead, the coroner unusually determine Tammy died of natural causes and the family declined an autopsy chad's neighbour, Alice Gilbert testified that a week later, he had already moved on We asked him how he was doing me said. Actually I'm doing really good and that he'd Matt. The woman he was gonna marry. Did you find Did it surprise you that he seemed to be doing so? Well, yes, we were shocked allies and her husband time Gilbert met lorry shortly after They came to the house and

arm was around her and she was the clean laughing and they look like teenagers our says the conversation turned to children. Then Chad and she recently just lost a daughter, I told I'm sorry she said. Thank you. This is significant because at that time, lorries still telling her sister and everybody else that the kids were okay? This is like a slip up. in early slip up and admission against interests. It did not seem to worry Chad and lorry on their big day. Seventeen days after Tammy devos death, there was lorry dance, on the beach in hawaii as her new husband strummed is ukulele exchanging those rates according to investigators, the cost of the wedding day,

was courtesy of the rooms dead, wives, life insurance law. do they know that the clock is now taking soon after the newlyweds return to idaho the rex burnt police came knocking lorries door looking J J, his grandmother woodcock, had asked authorities to do a welfare check. The conversation was recorded on the officers body. Can here's lorry talking about J J, he's my friends and I was afraid with my friend I chant called that friend, Melanie GIB, who testified. He asked her not to pick up the phone when the police called later she says lorry asked her to lie and tell the police that J was staying with her in arizona, and I felt very weird and uncomfortable position ends.

I really did not know what to do at first, Melanie give wasn't forthcoming to the police, but twelve days later, He made a call to lorry in chad and secretly recorded it take a chance. Had they couldn't tell her where J J was for her own security. thanks he handed then secret, recording two authorities and investigators. a nationwide search, but not just for J J They would soon learn that his big sister tiley was also missing a search for two children from idaho. Listen up, you may know something mysteriously disappeared. It was huge news, a spy

two lorries new stepchildren. When did you know that she had two kids? I first heard of her children when a detective came to my work and asked me about them. I had never heard of them before that point. So, even after your father webs, Worry you didn't know that there are two kids in the picture at that point. Did not, as the hunt for the children intensified, lori and Chad again headed to hawaii, The honeymoon was over hawaii authorities caught up with lorry by the poor dear rested on child abandonment charges and extradited idaho, please you, Chad, the loyal husband by her side but now he had himself with under suspicion with the children missing. That's when the police took a closer look.

at the death of Tammy. Her body had been exuded on december. Eleventh, two thousand nineteen, the utah state medical exam immediately saw bruise on her body and he determined that Tammy died of asphyxiation, the medical examiner testified that that bruising was consistent with somebody being restrained, meaning she was held down and suffocated. Alex's waves dilemma lemme. Her dennis says that when she heard about tammy started pressing Alex for answers by then she says lorry in chad had cut alex off here. She is on the stand talking about when she asked Alex what was happening. What did he say? He was very quiet in

responsive and then he said, I think, I'm being their fall guy, I said I'll die for what? What is it that you have done what? What have you done, that you would be the fall guy for and then he said, here I am a man of god or I am not here's. The prosecutor, pressing that mysterious statement. What exactly alex meant by that or what he knew. We may never know because Alex hawks died. The next day on December, twelve. Honey. Nineteen in truth is stranger than fiction. Plaid twist the man lorry in chad designated her defender or brother, Alex Cox. Suddenly rob dead, an autopsy determined of natural causes. That was a jaw dropping moment right before his death. It does.

look like Alex was second guessing what he had done and why Chad and Lori had asked him to do what he did they say dead. Men don't talk, but this one did Alex coxey cell phone harboured a tale of horror waiting to be discovered in Chad tables backyard, and it would give secures the evidence they had been waiting before. On june. Ninth, two thousand twenty law enforcement descended on chad de bells backyard. According to the prosecution Alex Cox's cell phone data placed him here for two hours. The day after tightly ryan was last seen

authorities later discovered. Her remains in this same spot. It was an area the Debo family once used as it had cemetery it now contains tiles badly burned remains. She had been dismembered d, they re her marsili, took the stand and describe finding what was left of timely. There was a partial human skull underneath the milk fucking Alex his cell phone, led them to another section of the yard about fifty yards away under a shade tree investigators started digging. They removed a layer of rocks beneath the rocks. They found wooden planks below that

a layer of black plastic, one of the crime scene, investigators, a hole in the top of this plastic and beneath the black plastic was some white plastic like plastic bag cut through that that's when we were able to see what appeared to be brown human hair sticking out from the white it was J. He was still dressed in his red pajamas and covered head to toe inductive. Several layers of duct tape. From his chin to his forehead area, his Arms were duct tape with several layers of that date. His feet were also duct tape and back forensic pathologists, Garth Warren testified how J J had died, determine the causes that to be asphyxia

my plastic bag over the head and duct tape covering the mouth. It's on imaginable what his last minutes of life were. Like experts, couldn't determined tyler cause of death because of the condition of her remains, but prosecutors alleged the way in which both children were killed. Aligned with Chad and lorries, teachings about demons and zombies, zoo lemme testifies that if they're trying to cast a demon zombie out of somebody there's two minutes after the casting where another demon can enter that person and the only way to prevent that is to burn the person or bind them tightly was burned J J, was bound. Despite all the talk of zombies in demons. Prosecutors argue that lorries truman

If to murder, her kids was much for a mundane, it already lost her father and she receives social security benefits because a battle tyler had money. Lorry wanted at tightly sky J J also was entitled to social security benefits. The defendant didn't want, have to take care of j J anywhere. She wanted the money cages gone well. The prosecutions case was mostly circumstantial. Dna Matching tyler's profile was found on a shovel and pig acts in a garage on the diva property of forensic specialist testified. They also found a finger and palmprint belonging to Alex Cox on one of the black plastic bags that cover J J investigators also found one strand of hair. There was stuck in the tape that was

round. The bag dna showed that that hair belonged to lorry thou that significant, because that's really the only physical evidence, they have ties lorry to J j at the time of his some of the most powerful testimony and the prosecutions case came from lorries own family. They play an emotional jailhouse phone call between lorry enter only surviving child son, kobe ryan. you read my hair out: everyone, then lorry sister summer shiftless took this stand. She told me executors that she believe lorry when she told her the children were safe, fit that change. Yes, why and felt like too and make just. My sister was broken

Prosecutors played a jail house phone call between summer and lorry after that, Women's bodies were found. This phone call is painful. To listen to summer is screaming at lord

the giraffes go towards the end of it's case: the prosecution put on lorries, former friend audrey berry taro. She delivered some of the most damning testimony of the trial she turned to come. Okay did she say how yes she's, that she would cut me something that she wasn't the mental place to do that, but she goes off in places that lead to it, but that she didn't want to have to get so messy,

that didn't bleach and something about trash bags and that she would be worse? She quit an hour, whatever fine, audrey, barrett arrows testimony is critical, because this is a first hand, description of laurie being ruthless. With the threat to kill her. This is the first time anyone in lorries group of friends really described her as being capable of killing on cross. The defence aggressively tried to describe. Baritone, testimony you know when the jury to believe even now you previously testified under oath, and nothing of this was talked about

come here today and say you are so scared. That's why you didn't previously testify about objection, your honor argument and these requests. You have the jury to believe that just didn't make this lashed crap. I didn't make it up after sixty witnesses and four weeks of testimony, the prosecution rested. It's case the defense declined to call any witnesses. Your honor after consultation with my client We don't believe the state has proven its case, sir. The defence rests. Each side would get a last chance to persuade

jury inclosing arguments I may eleventh two thousand twenty three defensive. Twenty Jim Archibald stood before the jury and argued for his clients. Innocence I was worried about what happened. Where did it happen? Planned it happened. Why did it happen? That's what ve been asked to figure out archibald painted a picture of lorry as a devoted mother, someone not capable of murder. He pointed to this early testimony from

racist sister summer shiftless any glory, was a loving mother and child adored her mother ever concern about the safety of timely around lorry. No, would you ever imagined, your sister wanting to killer kids. You know he also directed the jury to this. Testimony from for a son, Colby ryan, but you said my mom has spent her whole life. Protecting us kids, yes, after she met chad de bell. She changed. I don't remember, but yes, you never once thought your mom would hurt. Someone. Is that fair to say? Yes, Archibald argued that there is no evidence tying laurie to the murders of tiley or gj, and he said

herr, stuck on the duct tape used to wrap Jeez body means nothing. Lorry was raising J J J J was living at lorries house. The defence can easily argue that that hair could have gotten on J J, a hundred reasons, none of them having anything to do with murder. Instead, Archibald shifted the blame towards lorries, husband, Chad, debo and her brother Alex Cox. Remember all the gps data or is not in the backyard when Chan Alex are. Not there there's not one smoking gun ties lorry to any of these murders In order to explain lorries lies the police, while the children were missing. Archibald suggested that lorry was manipulated by chance. How can someone had much all over you reason and common sense

the window, sometimes when religious principles are involved, laurie seizure, as if by chance is. Jesus Chad sold his spiel to lorry and she bought it and about ten day bells death. The defence question whether that was even a crime wash even murdered as a natural death. All they need to do is raise a couple of questions in a couple of the jurors, but prosecutor rob would would get the last word. Lorries lies tell her she's guilty the innocent don't need to lie the guilty why dont let lorry came this all on one other person. She was one hundred percent involved in this

You must conviction when a case went to the jury, they deliberated vert, seven hours over the course of two days before returning with averted the corp shared video Laurie bello de belle, as she learned her fate would rise and relax the couch what the environment is lorraine arena not guilty or guilty of. First murder of tiny run answer guilty in regards to count, for landed. Environment is loring. Re mallow not guilty are guilty of forestry murder of Joshua Jackson fellow answered guilty in regards to count by imbedded in there man. It's lorry revalue not guilty or guilty conspiracies met. First, three murder of camera any day now answer

guilty guilty on all counts. Lorry appeared emotionless. She will be centre. at a later date. The jj, grandparents, Larry and K woodcock exited the courthouse, the crowd out, I greeted by singing jeez favorite song. We will lapse Larry woodcock had been playing the song while awaiting a verdict. Love always wins. J J. I love you papa wish. You were here tightly papa luxury tammy. Europe

of our life. My heart hurts for these three. This is what this has been all about. Why lord? Why lord? Why power sex is great for what for what it's been nearly four years since the world lost highly freckled, face teenager her baby, brother, J, J and tammy on mother we'll never know the lives they would have gone on to live, but we do know what they left behind their smiles, their laughter, their grace, the. A couple disappears: wearing a million different direction trying to find her in him.

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