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this has been my worst year for predictions ever Although Edmonton might end up making us all a good here, because they're surging now, but I was way off on well. We hope you, like your hockey rough, because that's what you got this weekend in speaking of rough coming up a little bit later on the podcast luke shin of the national predator. Welcome to thirty two thoughts once again presented by the gm see sierra america, alongside friedmann, and dom shamayah producer and elliot It was Joseph and kelly on larkin whether was braun on our terms. Zoom five in a game will get to that in a couple of moments in person hearing this can be done on zoom robinson, unjust and barren vander, kane on Jonas borodino cousins on Eric good branson it a whole lot of and throwing a clockwork orange reference, because I know you love stanley cup ultra violence this weekend around the nature there.

I have to deal with the hits from behind law go to large. Second by, I guess just terms of chronological order. The thing that was the latest to deal with was good branson in their cousins and that, brewing all weekend? The the event are keen on Yonah protein brodie, the injured, no penalty on the play. Ryan hartman gets a retail, tori penalty, the cane made it very clear. He was very unhappy with hartman and what happened when I saw the low angle shot of that one eye. I said to myself: that's the one that shows at the very least it should have been apparently panoply. There era robinson gets ejected buffalo against montreal and carlo Okposo speaks. post game and says: what's the difference, why does robinson get five can't get none. We have to have consistency here and

Cousins gets a minor initially a major than down to a minor and good branson goes after em when they're out of the penalty box, and to me what and there was Erika brands and seeing everything that happened around the edge el on the weekends is the only way that this is good. He had taken care of is, if I do it myself, now there's some people. They don't have a problem with that. There's some people. They do have a problem with that. But I What I can say. The Lee perspective is going to be as that we, after rain this in and I'm very curious to see if we're going to have a whole bunch of checking from behind penalties. This week, That's what everyone's gonna be looking at is that we always had the slashing crackdown we ve had the cross checking crackdown Jeff this Do we get the checking from behind crackdown? You know is a phenomenon that spin happy.

In for a long time in the nhl and every now and then there's a stretch where there is a number of hitting from behind penalties, and we have conversations like this, but this is and I want to see a recent phenomenon or a new tactic or a technique. I remember How can a marked protested about this years ago, and I ask myself: why are there so many players now? more so than ever that turn their backs to hits like liberally, any said well, one of two reasons: one it's the best way to protect the park and two? If we get hit, we were drawing a penalty, and it's our when route dared to try to draw penalties and put ourselves on the power play. I said You could also really injure yourself doing and he said I know that, but it's my job out there to try to get us on the power play, so I'm other tackling the park or on putting us on the power play either way we win.

And you see it more and more and not saying that you know just emberon turned at the last minute, sore arrogant, branson turn. Europe's prodi, like flashes them the last minute in front of a vanderdyke, I'm not saying that all I'm saying is now more than ever. Players are pretty quick to put themselves in vulnerable position. Now it doesn't excuse the hits and I get, I understand that, but there is a phenomenon now of players put themselves in positions to had hidden the likes of which we saw on the weekend, doesn't absolve the hit her, but its concerning I remember talking to craig simpson about this, and I said how do you teach his son dylan? How do you teach dylan to take contact? and he said I tell dillon when he's on the ice expect to be hit at all times and prepare yourself for it. That way, if you're here

you're ready If you're, not it's a bonus but always expect to be hits. I get the feeling now more. and ever that I've watched hockey, and maybe you feel the same way- maybe you don't it does allow of players out there who don't expect to be here or not. In january we have talked about that plenty, especially. I came to guys come over from europe or there really isn't anything like this, we talked slav caskey last year and how he was getting hit. There was We need to allow the marlene defence, men and the imf I can hardly believe prospect. You got clobbered in development camp last year because he simply not used to being hit. It comes to north America and he gets hit. I don't disagree with you on this and I don't necessarily think you're wrong in the sense that one the things the nhl clearly felt in the protein evander kane case is

brody new came was coming, put himself and of his shoulder check no put himself in a vulnerable position. I don't. this is surely disagree with you and any other spite eel. Basically, what we're getting too right now is here is our choice. and I will say this of the three I thought cousins why the worst one. Even though they downloaded it to a minor I thought of those three plays. I thought cousins was the one that I thought was the biggest penalty and the one that had the biggest call robinson, the major, and I don't really have a problem with the call they made it all there. I thought it was actually the least egregious of the three. When I saw the different angles, the angels, a choice right now they can say or cracking down on this for time being org and have more situations with good branson. Your choice.

And Jeff, what do you think they why I don't think they weren t contact out of the game? Ok, so I e what you're going to say is- and I think I like a tough- I live tough, mean nasty game. I really do by june you then you gotta have more seems like a brand. Since I mean there's, certainly that people are going to say you're, going to have more fighting you're going to have to you're going to have to make room for more seats, but there's going to be people who aren't gonna, like that, secondly- and this is the bigger question Are we worried about a really bad injury? It's all kinds I find right, we have to stop all this. Fighting will soon have to build bigger arenas. I'm more worried about the injury prevention like here and now will tie enlargement. This Golly it appears like larkin, has avoided the worst case scenario here by when he went down. on Saturday night. There were a gas in our room. It was right before the intermission

and we saw him go down. Everybody was sick to their stomachs for couple seconds because he looked seriously injured also you remember his history right zone I think we all enjoy a physical game until we don't And I heard from some people who looked at the good branson thing and said you know why maybe that is the way to police it. If he's angry, he take it out with his face you know. Generally, I don't have a huge problem with the whole philosophy of. If someone does wrong to you, you, the right to get them back. What I worry about is, does it too far and someone get seriously injured doing simply have to say we have to dial this back again for a week. And a wooden surprised me at all. If we see ten These calls in the next three days, not at all We seem to get out of here before

in hl and think anybody wants to go back there and listen, I don't I mind the eye the idea of someone did you dirty, and so you go back at them. I think we all understand that, I'll swing that again back to the Ottawa detroit situation. I think having a lot of people have reply. where is when you picked the guy You had nothing to do with the incident in the first place and that We saw with David peronne on articles. Ok we'll get to that a second, but but first I just want to say: would you want to see a crack down? Are you just think it goes like it's been going? I think this was a particularly violent weekend that they're worth. I think I don't know that That's enough for me to say that this is a trend in the innate shall yet mean saturday was a pretty violent night around the league and the the columbus florida situation was was on Sunday.

no! I I don't know that I'm willing to make a snap judgment, okay on on on reversing how the game is officiated, based on a couple of days in the league. While I think there were two things about this, though, was unique. Number one of poses spoke out about it yep. He said What's the difference. And then the next day good branson takes. Into his own hands. You don't, see that kind of thing back to back. Very much and and what do you think? What which, where do you think the nhl goes? Do you think does it going to be? It is going to be like all of a sudden any at any time. Someone gets Bob bumped around the board's that we're gonna see. Fifteen calls like that this week. That's my prediction ill, we'll find fridays on friday's podcast. If I'm going to be wrong, we'll see how this place out, but there dial down the temperature there down the temperature for sure

and they are going to say at the end of the day. We don't want a serious injury and what we saw this me when you has something happened for three days in a row like these players they're watching games. Ok, Eric Robinson, that's his job. Not to be dirty. I dont think the guy's a desire to be dirty, but he's there to be hard, cousins, that's job to being aggressiveness and forward checker right susie of anarchy on Friday night was a very aggressive for czech or one of the best newly makes a high. play and no penalty. What do you think these fort lyon guys or guys who are there too? be great, for chapters are thinking I can make. That play, and I can just see the angel same war war, it's too hot right now and were risking guys getting really heard clamped down central we'll see if I'm right, do you think, though,

but that is a tactical solution to a systemic problem. Now and again, we don't have time to go into a big huge, made about this, but the way that the game is played, the speed at which the game is playing a previous conversation about players. not being shy but putting themselves in vulnerable positions, the inability of any one to hold up afore checker now and how, it is no longer a contact sport, it is a collision sport it's the just say: okay, we're going to call a couple of more of these now and really clamped down. I don't know that. That's anything more than just let's just make a temporary solution here. The real problem here is hockey and the way it's played and you're going to get. situations like this and sometimes you're gonna, come in threes. Will that eleven days? That's assessing? What do we do? Do nothing? Do you think, after this weekend they can really do nothing. That's why,

you step up the calls. You get everybody thinking about all that. Clearly what happened friday, has got everybody in that edmonton games. There really thinking. I can do whatever I need to do. Right and it does back a little bit on saturday, but then cousins. On sunday and good branson does what he does. I just think: there's there comes to times where you can simply say: that's hockey you have to dial down the temperature a bit and were really risking somebody getting hurt. We'll talk about larkin in second cause, I don't think that's the scheme as these situations. No, it's not it's. remotely the same as these situations. Butler proteins out, and We are fortunate that there wasn't anything worse so sometimes it you just have to die the down its skill. It's like it's. Like parenting. It's like being

a teacher and a school. When do you have to dial down the temperature, this dial down weak, not for David prom. Look if I was David for on this is what I would do. I would walk into that hearing and I would say. Ok guys I saw captain was down. I thought it was him I lost my mind I didn't realize it. Wasn't him I'm throwing myself on the mercy of the court. I thought I was standing up for my captain. I clearly made a mistake: that's what Would do that's what I would do? I would go in there and say I am I I screwed up. I saw my captain down in the moment I saw lost my mind. I did something dumb, I'm sorry, that's what I would do. I think I think anything you can

well, but what's clarify whether I will do this before Jeff. If there was one situation, although insect, there was one situation the past couple years. I I never confirmed to me, but I'm pretty sure. I know which one a wise one They want. They were waiting for a guy to walk in there in Saint guys are really screwed up, And he went in there any double down and he got does got a pretty big suspension, so I dont no, it's a hundred percent, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened. I think peron walks in there and just says I screwed this up. I thought it was him. It wasn't him. it, dials everything down a little, but I dont know what they're going to think about here. Like it's a it's cross check to the head. It's Dangerous play He's lucky zoo wasn't more hurt. I think

only chance here of not getting a massive suspension. Is I screwed this up your thought of railway. When I saw that like what's that in europe, for this is where the same age. Eighteen, eighty seven new yorkers yours philadelphia fliers the tar sands from europe, and that was that was a fifteen gamer for day brown. I don't know the diva bronze getting fifteen. I don t have the option to throw to throw a large one at David pearl. Here yeah, you know, look heat. He made he made a really bad play in the emotion of the moment. You'll like I said It's true plays in the last three years. That have made me sick to my stomach that I can remember, one

two virus and I'm sure there ve been more there, just the two, the jump into my head and the other one was that one just in the moment, because I remember all of larkin injuries and the way he crumpled to the ice, like you could help us sit there and think. Oh, my god, there's there's something really wrong here and If I was david peron in that moment, probably would have snapped too, but it doesn't excuse what he did and the old If he can do is walk in there and say, was protecting my guy, but I screwed up. That's it there there's no other way to approach this year. so the age l announces on Sunday night that good branson is going to have a hearing aggressor and if you read the role that they cloud rule, forty six to the aggressor and altercations shall be the player who continues to throw punches in attempt.

look punishment on his opponents, who was their defence, was position or who was not willing combatant. And so that's where he is, getting the hearing for its not and in person hearing if they don't announce it. It's in person they have to specifically say that in person hearing, so this one can only be back some on five gains. For example, I mean I know I'd be curious to see if they try to make an example of good branson. In the vast majority of cases there have been very few. Player gets a hearing and doesn't get in this a suspension. There have only been one or two in the last few years I mean. like I said, I understand why good branson lost his mind on this play. I do and bite This goes to my belief overall Jeff.

they are going to turn down the temperature They are throwing a giant block of ice in the bow dad, This is her. turn on the ac. We, we cool everyone off with everybody out of the sauna. We have seen a weekend. Word boiled over boy. Over and they are going to turn down the temperature I think the other thing that should be talked about what this is There was a lot of anger online after obviously because of the injury and I have no doubt the red wings are angry, that they are facing the only for here in terms of players, suspension like it was there, captain who was down whose injured- and you know, I think markets, gonna miss some time. I did this.

Testing still to be done here. But the mood on sunday appeared to be that the worst had been averted. you know- will see how this plays out which I mean we're all hoping for we're hoping for larkin gonna, be ok The railways are pre furious about it. I remembered when he was injured too. We should check some of the other things that larkin had been through the cross check from jamie ban and then, I completely forgot about it, but just the A coincidence that magic Joseph was involved in a situation when he played for Tampa where larkin was hit from behind and then Larkin was so angry about it. He punched him and got a one game, suspension People were like all Matthew Joseph has done this to him again and I just That's really wrong, like I like

think Matthew Joseph is, is guilty of anything here except play that went horribly wrong and the same goes for parker Kelly. But the one thing I want to hear from Larkin or the doctors involved or darrell alone, or whoever is what exactly happened cause to me. It looked like I dont know if he was injured from. Joseph hitting from behind or him falling into Kelly, who get some from the front or the way he fell or or wives. It's like looked They have been good, could Joseph proven guilty of a penalty, maybe, but that battle that we see a hundred times a game and there was no deliberate attempt to injure fans or fans and they get upset by this idea that Joseph has something for larkin and one to injure every time that they play like that's,

That's crazy to me. That's that in saying? Ok, so we'll lamb, but will see where this one heads this week and what s happening here with David peronne. in the meantime, a couple of things from headlines before I move along around the any child pretty busy weekend newsy weekend and, as I mentioned earlier, luke chance till the come here on the ipod caslon, with the montana thought line me. while Ethan bear where, Oh, where will the bear and up where will the bare come out of hibernation is closed, you I think it it sounds like it's gonna be washington. It sounds like the capitals are the team here. No, percent confirmation bites I there were a few teams that were in on bare the pointed me in that direction. said they think that washington has been aggressive

the other thing that they said? Is that they are a bunch, its user, hoping to get bear in for whatever they could this year. and would then sign him to another contract in the summer. And in washington. It sounds like is prepared to offer a little bit of terms. So instead of an unfortunate for bear here's a guy who's, seen the risk of short. contracts Spring: he's on a short term contract and he gets injured, in the world championships in need surgery. Now he had a really good insurance policy, its needs, This policy is based on a three million dollar contract. So, he's been well protected in and good job by his agent there, whose jason davidson by I think, but that goes away once he starts playing

and so I think what what Their teams believe the capitals have done here. They have the ability to say, or there compared to maybe put some term on this. So there is an advantage to bear taking their taking their offer now as a whole, The teams will say: hey. Will sign you now and then we'll do something in the summer, because I can understand, Ethan bear wanting a bit more security for what he's been through now we'll find out. If all of this turns to be true bite That's what other teams suspect elliot. Also headlines. You talked about Andrea cosmic, go teams are asking, we all know about what happened between him and rick sockets, previous ten minutes and thirty six seconds of ice time, for Carolina on saturday, teams in court

ring about cosmic, oh yeah Everybody knows the vancouver is trying to clear cap room right. They did. in the trade with boville yea, and Don't think that's ended. There well now we see a situation where coups banco is down to your. He still on the number one power play: I would really be worried about his situation in vancouver if he was taken off that power play. That's when you know that really rick talk at or whatever the case has had enough, he still there, sir, to me that's a sign that this is a team that has not given up on this player, but his eyes timers way down. He had two recent healthy scratches you're make five five this year and next, although he has a partial, no trade

Nobody wants that from a guy who's playing twelve minutes again you just it doesn't make sense in today's any gel. So I think there have been some conversations between the can oxen teams. What are we thinking about here? And it's probably too soon, although one thing we ve learned about vancouver, if they get something they do it, nobody makes more trades in the untreatable any child and the vancouver connects. So whenever I hear there talking to someone, you know you can expected any time soon. he is definitely a situation where they are taught. The teams and teams are talking to them about cars. Manco, ok, carol. the hurricanes, the canadian swing not good or for good. The vancouver gave yeah on good a players only meeting is it too. Both to say that the carolina keynes are being undone by their goal, tending First of all, I was going to say that

This is the worst swing through western canada syn Henry hudson, I thought I was so smart accepted some friends of mine who are actual students of history so that Henry hudson didn't even get to western canada. They were like elliot. Where's henry hudson on a map it's in ontario qualify as a trip to western canada. So. Anyway, you got a better solution. Let me know I gold tending is at the root of it. That there is no question as I did. You think rancho was that bad on saturday I didn't know it's ok for goals, but thank you. Bad by got any, is definitely at the root of it and like. I said I think There are under the impression that

or at least they are prepared for the eventuality that anderson won't play this year. hopefully that'll be proven to be wrong. But I They know that that's a possibility. So nor will see, were that goes the the. they might have to go out and get another golly I think would bring. Timor is trying to say is. We can't just use goal tanning as an excuse if the goaltending is undermining our game, we have the play a lot better than this, and the other thing is the reason for the tea meeting Bruno more here: Rip them in that. in our view on the bench and edmonton he was critic. After the game in Calgary. Ultimately, you reach a time where the coaches kin, keep doing this over and over and over again, so I

the team meeting was like we ve gotta, take ownership and I think one of the things he's trying to impress upon them and I have no doubt this is one of the messages that even if our goal tending is terrible and I'm sure they're not saying that in front of a gullies we To be alive better individually, carolina it's not. the losses they don't look a carolina right now. to me that the loss in Edmonton was bad. Calgary europe to nothing I don't care of your on the road, you should win that game and vancouver they didn't play. Well, they looked awful in the first period better in the second and ron maclean to his credit, called it. It was three two after two and he's like. I think vancouver is in trouble because carolina is right there and they haven't played well, they go right out and they tie it in they lose the game. This is not the hurricanes we are used to seeing and you can't

like no matter what's going wrong in goal. You can't use it as an excuse, excuse to throw up your hands and say: okay, we're doomed, and I think that's what this is about. Like like look at toronto right now and terrain, I was gonna six, fifty winning percentage they're doing it? They got all these defence went out like look at that bottom, three defence, when they used on saturday, it was seamless why it was seymour, then why it was conor. Timmins is the town guy guys battle lot injuries and they shut out nashville. They do. Guys are battling their hearts out right now and their hearing trade rumours every day about who the please you're gonna trade for, like you, think all three of these guys know that terrain, is an out there trying to find somebody who might take one of their jobs, ok, but scratching in bitching in fighting their claws. I, like that's what you have to do. Ok, let's get there. You mention the try me believe so

Big win for them Saturday, night nashville, predators for nothing, auston matthews with a pair the big news the day, though, net minor joseph wall out with the high ankle sprain that one a surprise without injury did not look like a high ankles and we always didn't. Nonetheless, Emma podcast a doctor your thoughts on what the maple leafs do now, either he's gonna, wait it out one of the things about all this. Is that sometimes we forget and we say, ok, go scorn, get someone. While you get to a point where someone else's gotta be activated. once the walls going to come back and he's going to play. I know he doesn't make a ton of money, but he's going to come back and he's going to play. And so in all you need is basically have to wait like Martin Jones came, install them a game, in a couple, a really big saves, and that, important and the other thing to being a wonder about samsonov. Like he's a roller coaster like that's, why I heard from about him from the capitals theirs.

Eggs in theirs valleys, and you wish there were fewer valleys, but you got a ride them. Well, I thought it was really interesting how Sheldon keefe came right out on Saturday morning when wall was hurt and he said look. This is sam snobs opportunity, and game one. He grabs it like. I just wonder: if he's one of these guys that when the jobs his he's, just better when he's challenged, he's just I don't know not as good, maybe he's just one of those people that set up that way, but and you'll will see their got some really tough games coming up and but maybe that's the way. It's my job. I'm fine now now by the way, Jeff anti virus goes into long island going on long island. On monday, I didn't nine. Ninety eight I love you islanders fans and it's great to see that your team is right itself for now, by it.

Who does not want to see what happens if too as gets two points on Monday night. I just want to see. anti virus has reached a thousand points either on the scoreboard, or caused in the building. John, you lazy. What happens? Do you think, if that happens. They will announce it well. the old friends now, even if they don't fans now they're on their phones, ordained they're gonna, know, there's a did there, but there is that there is a difference between them just knowing, and organization announcing it. You know I didn't build, I don't even care so much about that. I just want to see it happening I just want to see it happen because maybe Jeff even need to announce it. Maybe at that moment this. A puff marshmallow man comes walk you through the building and we to cross the beams to save humanity,

these are the reaction by the islanders bans with them old man. Friedman is referencing as a movie called ghostbusters kid. There was remain a couple years ago. They probably now okay, very good haiti's s. Good. The metropolitan only mention the islanders me finish on this. We will get to the montana thought line the the pollution peace, the biggest surprise. Year and again, I know we should probably go by points percentage pots. If you just go by points what's the biggest surprise year rangers are on top of the metro. Gate were used to that. for a few flyers or second with thirty two points. The caps and the islanders are tied with thirty one I know I know what you want me to say and I will get to eating and I really care where your credit I will lead, but I I do want to say the way washington started the season.

If you would have told me they would have been here right now, I wouldn't have believed it, at least when philly started the year and they dropped the park This was a team that was ready to play. Washington at the drop of a pack of the season was now ready to play like a week ago. they didn't even get. They didn't even get off the boss when they played arizona. There and their right there, like, I saw Brian Mcclelland, the board of governors meetings. I didn't get a chance to talk to him, but He looked stressed. Brooklyn very look very rarely extracts. He looks when he's own public. He looks pretty cool like he's, got the best poker hand in you're all screwed at the table he low stress that was a day after arizona bite, I give washing alot of credit. I thought they were doing, but let me just say, Let me just say You were right,

I was wrong on philadelphia, this has been my worst year for predictions ever although Edmonton might end up making us all a good here. Their surging now, but I was way off on philly way off on Philly I thought looked really good on Saturday night against colorado, even though the king and his scoring one ridiculous goal a night. Now, every night every night he roaring ridiculous school bite. You I, I just think feeling, They play hard. Almost every game we ve talked about. Walker is at a great year. We ve talked about sealer tori aid being back, think san high for the most part, has been excellent this year

though those guys or play I. I guess the courts were coming out like nobody wants us to win. Ok, I think that's a little bit much. I don't think anybody you does running behind. You know team, you. What is in every team, every team say doesn't matter who they are known. Everyone said we couldn't do it. Nobody believed that you know I, like I freely admit I didn't think they were capable of this. It's not like nobody wants them to win like that's, that's that's a little much but every gmo what you control is your effort and their effort is great, alma Every night, like died, team competes hard. And when you compete hard you when a lot more games in this league couple of things as far as there's, a standing out, the one guy that I keep coming back to on this too

and it's been a fascinating watch, seeing him with the foot off you flyers year in and year out Hearing his name out there I mean how many different times has Travis konecny been trade is got. Twenty gory is sick. The ngos and twenty three points or cannot deny me watch liars highlights Unifil watch the game. I connect me scorn yokes, We could charade the thyssen forest. Her kid looks fantastic, its again like you're right like these guys, even if they don't win every game they compete in every he gets its impressive. It really is like this is this is a rebuild for yeah. That's it Fortunately calls or rebuilt wiles, ok on that were wrapped the second. When we come back to haunt and his fault line and Elliot's one on one with luke shin of the national product sunk

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Allah and the fried pickles, and this is not going over very well. So, let's get into the emails hold on hold on hold on before before we go to the montana's emails today, we're going to play one game of hmm. Is this weird. Oh ok, ok, so jack! I'm asking you gonna take in informal pole of the listeners. Ok, is this weird so Saturday night, we finish the show. Now we go into our clothing room to get changed Yes, Axa takes of his socks. smells them. Decides they are not free or grows and puts them. to be worn. Is this weird I'm not going to prejudice anyone

else? You can have an opinion if you want Jeff gives you weren't they. what is this weird to me? It depends on where he's going like you've just gone back to the hotel to go to bed will like you, It is good to know he leaves the socks a drawer. We all have a drawer in the change room, and he leaves a whole bunch is yes, he leaves a whole bunch of socks in there now you gotta watch those dogs, know you gotta, you gotta, throw those those go to the laundry sorry. I as as I get older, I'm like turning into like a low key germophobia. So we are those those go to the luxury of. If we re away that's the happy. What I'm asking is weird I want everyone to understand here. What I think is weird: it's not just keep. These key could wear them again with a washing he's. Sniff them did you

completely miss the fact that steadies sniff them yes, so it is snipped his socks. What do you do? Ok, I don't they just where I think the part about yeah good, still good to go after you weren't they. Gone the laundry, so we ve got to decisions on ethics Why and he's going to wear them again with a washing them and a tool that is everything ok If I didn't feel free to reply as you see fit. That's it that's the game that was it. Is this weird? Yes, okay, the only weird part was that he's going to he's going to wear him again and you're not going to wash them, but whatever kevin be accept whatever Kevin. Let us start with seo from Victoria bc homer this year decision of hockey in canada. We should add my eyes, shone all Joseph, while played fifty minutes.

When over ottawa december's seven before getting injured his time on ice was way higher than martin jones. He had the lead before injury and the lead remained yet the w was credited to Jones. What is the criteria used to award a wind to the replacement goalie over the starter in the case of injury selfishly this decision, stung in my head to head fantasy league cheers so Austria So the reason that Martin Jones gets credit for the wind is: at clojure roos scored with one fifty three to go to make it forty three. Who was the gully when the believes scored their fourth goal, it was martin jones So what we want and one thing that people may not realise some people realize it. Some don't is in major league baseball. As long as the

Second team: never catches up picture when you get the lead, gets the win. so let's just say that Jeff and I are on the same team- would have bad club. chemistry, but we are on the same team and I was the starting pitcher, and I left with a It's nothing lead and jeff comes in our goes from six, nothing to eight, nothing and then. you have gives up. Seven runs because just probably terrible I would still be, though I. Would still be the winning pitcher because I left with the lead and the other team never caught me. Even though I was six nothing when I laughed aid, not under Jeff it with him already in the game and then he gives up seven runs Doesn't matter the Jeff was pitching when they scored Eighth run it,

who has the lead hockey is different. The winning golly is the gully whose in that, when you score that one more goal than your opponent, even though there may police never lost the lead, they went up. for two in an auto escort to make it for three days that's why Jones gets the win because he was in that when toronto scored. The fourth goal in a four three game hockey is different than baseball. Yes, excellent glad to clear that up for you seo in Victoria bc, maybe look forward to seeing you at a hockey day in Canada. Ah, let's clear this one up, real quick to owen, You like this one, elliot owen, hello, river lovers: how how how are the Brandon we'd kings, able to call up their top prospect? Jackson Jacobson. He looks really good to hear

Only fourteen years old, but he's in his fifteen year old season. Doesn't he need to be granted exceptional status to play in the wh shall at that age great question? But here's the deal he's actually a two thousand and eight he can play five games like any other two thousand and eight he has a later birthday, so he hasn't turned fifteen yet like most of the two thousand and eight and but there don't they don't need to create or carve out any type of exception for jackson, Jacobson who looks fantastic elliott and is in grade nine and he's already snapping and goals in the western hockey league, the skill of the kids, the skill of the kids, all ass, very talented, really, talented, ok, here's a fun one. Energy from the sioux, hey Jeff, elliot dom this week marks two year anniversary of the z: mulatto flip over the nimble. I was we watch,

this goal, and it got me thinking so I love when people do this. It got me thinking. Would it be legal to do the opposite of what vigorous did and pass the buck under the nets? For instance, say a player has the pact behind the net and they tilt the net forward. So the back of the neck comes off the ground, but remains on the pegs then passes the pie. under the net out to the slot, not the slot area. Jeff. Thank you. Benji and a teammate receives the pass there and scorers would that be allowed? Keep up the great work with the podcast? What do you think for each know? You can't lift the net and do that? It's not about lifting the net but you're right. It's no goal Ok, what's the issue, the issue is any time the pot enters the net. It requires a whistle.

No matter the minute the park is in that area in the net, the official, the referee is obliged to blow the whistle Why would think you couldn't do that anyway? Bite we've got the rule there yeah the the the the the rule as the minute. The puck is in the net whether it came from the front from the side or behind you have to blow the whistle and the plays dead, but I do applaud Benji. on this for some great creative thinking on, but I have to say some of the other stuff that these people have been coming up with. Our listeners of coming up with lately has been dynamite so good, it's so good hell of that kind of stuff. More please. I would not want to take on a lot of our listeners in a logic problem, because I would say you wanna here's, here's one for creativity and usa. As someone who is covered, multiple sports will appreciate this one.

Adam good evening from the u S, canada border, I'm in here at work in the toll booth in the aftermath of the tiny craziness on Friday night, We're idea came to my mind. The Jeff may love and elliot will hate, I think that this and secondly, hello to all the border guards are noble. You elliot, but I've had some great hockey. conversations with borne out years? Is it actually when I go to the combine in buffalo some, the hockey conversations are great so to everybody working at the? U S, Canada board hello and I do not argue with border guards. I will do anything to avoid the words red flag next to my name. So whatever questions regard has for me. I am happy to answer it. So if you want to get your email red on the areas mentioned A border guard later right in front of our eyes first visit. Listen to this woman, Adam presence is an interesting one

good or should accompany that owns. Multiple sports teams be able to make an inter sport trade. If there's room on the cap's in both legs, for example, m l s, he leaves raptors trade, a hockey player to crocky sports avalanche nuggets and receive a basketball player ignorant, sir, and while it would require weight.

which cooperation and coordination between the leagues to happen. It would add a whole new level of chaos and intrigue and great tv, the trade deadlines and free agency. Now, how is that for a crazy idea, thanks and great job to you all Adam? Bravo Adam! Bravo, the thing that this made me think about bill waters told me this story. I think I've told you this one before about the Curtis Joseph negotiations. The hypnotist Joseph who's are represented by newport sports dawn, meehan and dawn was talking with bill waters. Who was at that time the assistant general manager, the maple leafs and said, and my client Curtis Joseph we're here to talk about a new contract and bill said yep. That's fine and he said well, who makes more money for mls, see the leafs or the raptors and bill said the leafs do, and he said, oh okay, so who do you

thank individually brings in more money to emma see vince carter or my client, kurdish, joseph and bill said kurdish, Joseph. I which point don me and said to bill waters, but in that case we'll take the vince carter deal As the first sitting that jumped to my mind, when you put basketball and hockey together in trades or contracts,. Your thoughts on border guard Adam and his crazy idea. the other one. I think that was an issue with that is that Mark messier was a free age. in new york, after they won the stanley cup with the rangers, if I'm not mistaken, patrick viewing got fifteen million a year from the necks. and obviously the economics of the two sports are different by I was under the impression that one of the things the mess said the next was

this guy, just one you a stanley cup and the next the next on two nba championship. They won in nineteen, seventy, and they want a nineteen. Seventy three they made two finals under ewing, although he was injured for one of them It was a great player. He deserve what he got paid, but missed this point was hey eyebrow You were championship and At that time, you'll remember there was no salary cap in the initial. That doesn't necessarily mean the next week or the rangers. We're gonna pay messier fifteen million a year, but he deaf We believed his number should be enormous that's one of the reasons that he ended up in vancouver. I do like the idea, though much like with either a kurdish, Joseph or mark messier. Using basketball players is comparable for for contract negotiations agents. There is, there is a level of bold

to that. That is almost unrivalled elliot's! Oh yeah, oh well! Michael Jordan, and I know a lot of people saw the air movie. There's some questions about the accuracy of that If you want more to read about Michael Jordan's arrival in the end in the nba his negotiations, I have mentioned this book before the bald truth. By David falk, who was Jordan, agent, one the things that happen in that negotiation, wise Jordan wanted to be seen is unique and ethics. some of the shoe companies said to him like what do you think you are a tennis player, I can't remember if the air movie talk like that button. That's what in the block. I always remember that what you think you are a tennis player and his boots, spots was. I feel I'm gonna be a unique player. Why shouldn't I be true It like a unique ghastly and so

well, you know, I think, like I think this stuff is fascinating job. I think these kinds of stories are great. Obviously the economics of ones like look, I are all the comparisons to autonomy and what he got compared to what everybody else gets and he's very, very unique, caesar unicorn, but I think this stuff is fascinating, really fascinating, so Adam, that is a complete non answer your question, but we just took us any good good stories freezing or his eyelids of good stories. And remember the border we Of border guards a man brother, let's, let's get to a voice now this one's fund Derek Tampa bay, hey guys, Derek here, minnesota hockey kid living in temper paper. Now. Did you recently silver and started talking movies. I had a question for you curious to hear about your favorite hockey nods on the big screen. I'm not talking about an entire.

we, like young blood or you know the american favorite miracle but just a regular movie with a subtle hockey nod my example, comes from the holiday season: national lampoons christmas vacation court, w griswold coming down the steps in the double zero blackhawks jersey early in the morning, so that an example without the here some of yours are especially appreciate. The podcast great work to all three of you, Derek thanks. If I can hop in quick and then I'll turn the recreation over to you elliot mine is Alan rock

who played the character, cameron, fry or spooler, beyond blurring being already how jersey, enroll was never explained in the movie, because the movie takes place in Chicago. So you think to yourself: why is he wearing a detroit red wings, jersey part of the idea of cameron, frye's character? Was he didn't have the best relationship with his father, so that was his way of rebelling against who we assume would be a blackhawks fan, but he did even though- and the rock has talked about this and in interviews, and the idea was that he had a good relationship with his grandfather, who was a big gordie, Howe detroit redwings fan and that's why he wore it but part rebellion against dad. our programme by Alan rock cameron, fry corti, how jersey, ferris bueller stay off. I think for me, and there are a lot of people of my age. It swears the scene were vince VON says you can make rescue bleed

like a lot of us, remember that scene- and I hope wayne gretzky- doesn't listen to this podcast and I would assume that wayne Gretzky has better things to do than listen to this podcast, but I people that would then pick up the video game, which was obviously the any gel video game and they would try to do it the end. As a matter of fact, I know one of my friends once wrote to. I guess it was a and asked for the back door closed. to let it happen, and he never got an answer. They will never responded to him. for a lot of people, my age. Swingers is the one now dom you have another. What's your modem The opening credits for the tv series entourage in a split

Yes, there is a scene where a chicago wolves jersey can be seen worn by someone on the street. What Kevin didn't Kevin Connolly have like islanders is he in his office, while he's a huge fan, but he's an enormous fan that one obviously makes sense, but that that could be an answer to this one too, but chicago wolves. That's a nice one, very nice thumb and I want to finish up with one here. It's a really good question, but there is a preamble with it. And it's a story about elliot's. So earlier, no white yup, you like this elliot. This is your past. This is from Lee high, elliot, Jeff and dom elliot I'm a big fan of your work and also a western ends.

charred. W sports alumni funny see hr w story for you back in two thousand eight I was volunteering, foresee hr w and did a phone interview with you to air during the intermission of mustangs hockey and basketball broadcasts. You are just coming back from phoenix doing some coyotes interviews and you called me from your condo buildings parking garage. You are so gracious with your time. I was too young and nervous to correct you when half way through the interview you started call me Ben? I dont think you knew by then see hr, w colleague and your now rogers colleague, Ben Nicholson smith. So I have no idea why you call me that's, but I just went with it and cut out those parts when we aired it. It also gave me of flax- or you tell my friends these days, but you spent forty five minutes

with me, reflecting on your western broadcasting days and we got a lotta mileage out of that interview, filling up several games worth of intermissions and snippets from our chat. I'm still sore appreciative that you did that. Thank you. So much is it lee or should we call him back Elliot. I have to say this, I'm embarrassed to admit this is Jeff. It's not the first or last time that happened. On saturday at the morning scale, I called cody glass coal as oh my god, soil and I know you're cody not call, and he said oh dory about coal, psmith stall is right over there. I dont know why I'm I'm better with faces than I am with names. Look Lee or ban or whoever you are We just say that it's funny,

do that and embarrassingly alive it's it's sad. It really is sad. Actually, awesome, ok! Well, here is least slash bands question I mean it wasn't just a story, it does. Actually all you want a little little story before he asked this question that guy like this. In the one thing we know about people from the universe you western ontario is they are pompous and look at the same and they want their stories read before we you're lucky. If we even acknowledge your presence, never mind, call you by your name Lee s, come down off the mountain with this question here it is. I was thinking about what you said last podcast about how July first doesn't afford the time for teams and players to get to know each other well and that time has benefited keynes decision making over them

few months, patrick in Detroit. We also see em I'll, be free agency moving exceedingly slow. I'm wondering do you foresee a day where big time any child free agents take their time to decide where they want to go, which would then delay the lower profile names from signing their deals into later in the summer? Why are these two sports free agency so different when it comes to Speed, it's it's a good question. There were. There have been some times that were a little different. You remember. Ryan's, shooter and zack piracy when they signed together. There were some players who were getting annoyed that year, who said Yet these guys to sign so the rest of us can get go in here Do you remember that one happened?

I mean everybody knew where they were going to go after a certain point, but it was still a matter of getting it. I remember that year I thinking the html? honestly believe they get in. nba. There there's really nothing much else that summer late, they don't have salary arbitration things like that so they have their window in a business, gets time beforehand than theirs big dave, craziness and then everybody can go enjoy their summer, one of the things that happens in the nhl is there it's still stuff to do in the summer, there's development camps. I know the n b a has a summer league, but it's more of a fun thing everybody gets involved. the agency has their development camps, they have salary arbitration. I just think people want to get on their summer and get going. I do believe, that's a thing. I

I generally feel that it's been a long year, there's more to prepare for the summer, particularly if you have arb cases and in people. just want to go. They they want to know where they are, and I know this is like I know Jeff you joke about that. ass, a blanket thing, there's gambling here, I'm shocked, I think people know in the couple days before what the markets gonna look like I saw the whole it's hard to believe. I know about it. happening, I do think there wanting to it's the

it has been long enough. We want to move on well. You know that some you'll recall this very well once upon a time free agency in the offseason under bob good. Now when he was executive director of the players association alongside Ian pulver, everything was masterminded and controlled. This player was going to sign for this much and in this vague it was a. It was as a domino effect like the the off season. Free agency once upon a time was completely predictable, because the whole thing was being orchestrated by the nhl players' association. This players going here, that's going to be this number, which means this player gets that number, which means that player gets this number now. This is all pre salary cap. We all know that, but once upon a time

free agents, he was much much difference than it is now. Our rights Lee slash Ben Ben leave lee ban, whichever one is your actual name. I am not convinced his name. Is italy thanks so much for thou and thanks to everyone who submitted questions and comments, and in this case with Lee watchmen, great story, great story, that's montanans thought line, montanans, barbecue, environed bar home for borrowing and great stories were back with elliot's conversation with luke schenn of for predators ok walk back to the podcast, welcome to our last segment of the show today a feature interview, Elliot Friedman in conversation with luke shin of the nashville predators. Now, ok

Yes, I gotta tell you a story about this interview: ok sure he saw There are some people who really help me out with good behind the scenes information when he he was actually I'm not telling and she was actually impressed that diana stories that people share was abrasion actually get back to me. here. I am talking about how great the shannon tsar and they're gonna do a demanding cast together sunday in great shin totally. Stick me. Ok, not bitter anything not anyway way at anyway. So people tells me this story and to this moment jav, I'm not sure. If this guy, is breaking me or Shan, or both and I'm not gonna say who it is. Ok, I'm

not going to say what is he says to me and I'm getting the text right now. So I dont misrepresent anything here, James Van I want you to nominate loves. He loves to sing broadway musicals. He will deny it to the bitter end, but he has a great voice you just have to drag out of him. Now I am looking at this text and I am saying to myself. Is this true, or am I being pont? Ok, ok,. So I wait until the last question which, by the way I told them to take out so but I'm letting everybody no it's here. It just is work, but I'm letter everybody knows that it happened. I went to the last question- I ask him and he says basis If you want me to sing all sing for you, but that's not true

so he says it's it's not true, and then I text back to the person who told me- and right back, of course he denied it and the next day in the room, I just you I am there at the morning skate I'm listening to whatever he has to say. I say hello to a couple of guys. I say hello to gusta of nightwish and he's like I heard you tried to make Shan sing and I'm like, oh my god, people know about this. Now. And he maintains its totally not true, and the person who told me maintains a totally is. I think I got plans here. I believe I did like when you take yourself out of it and you think about what just happened here. I think I absolutely got punked, but the one source is adamant that this is true, but as a shan he just a totally bemused by it was pretty funny. I have to say I did he. Offered to sing- and you said no

can't remember, I think it was like off handed like hey. If you want me to sing, I will, but that's not true. I say we ve heard people sing on the pike ass before jordan everley in an angles. Well, he's actually pretty good and I go yeah. What is it about western key and hockey players singing has we're not when we only when we don't even know. If this is true, my first out with the brain, trochaic. Ok, well, that mystery continue. other than that the air whose excellent and the part that Elliot had to cut out the n router I got so they ve got a question and asked it like a goofball anyhow. The interview is excellent, but don't let us tell you that its excellent you decide for yourself. Here's luke Shan, the broadway singer, slash defence men in conversation with elliot freedom and on thirty two thoughts and

so luke as you do these things, you always find out stories that you don't know about Lucian and we ve been lucky in toronto. We ve learned a lot about lucian but here is one that came to me. and you're a rookie year you for dinner with some of your may his teammates and they ordered some very nice red wine You told them, I don't drink that and they said if you're gonna be in the h, l, you're gonna, learn to like red wine. True, or false fact. That is true. It is true. I don't know you got therefrom, but I'm gonna take a stab Jamal nurse. I never reveal myself. Ok value is being a younger guy. There was really. No, I think the next thing is going to be like John mitchell at twenty four twenty five years old and sizes hanging out with the veteran guys are so give me mad stage in, and you don't call, of all alec steen when I first started from all.

White Van ryan, like you just saw a long list of guys and they'd always invite me over for every dinner, and you know I was sitting there in the corner kind of sipping on nothing and you know I'd be we'd, play the credit card game or whatever and I'd be picking up the odd tab, and there are some nice wine and and guys who, like you, might want to start sipping on this. If you're paying for some of these- and I just saw, as I, you know I never even thought of trying to free him from scotch and, first of all, there's drinkers in saskatchewan beer, yeah, so anyways I started sipping on it and next thing you know guys got me on it now been a wind guy. Ever since I saw it did happen, that's a can confirm story all right. So, let's, let's ask here when you sit down, because there are going to be some red wine connoisseurs who listen to this? What is the luke schenn bottle? What is your favorite kind? Oh man, I don't have a bottle. I've been to napa a few times, actually went for honeymoon and then one time well, when I was playing with the kings, we drove back

did the like the west course organ, coarse and stuff, and stop and now on the way back and then what time actually we're not on their work. During vacation? What with the thyssen, burying his wife and MIKE smith and his wife is what is there a few times and randomly? We ran into there at the time Derek step. One was earned, mark stall, so we actually connected with them. So all five of you and then your dinner together. Actually funny story about napa, though, and so we went for our honeymoon and we went to the restaurant called the french laundry super hard to get into it's like I, you know of course, meal in world renowned chef in all a sort of stuff and if running, into rick nash and his wife, who I played with previously in the world championships, and so my wife met his wife little bit and they were there. I think it was like you know, a birthday or anniversary, or something like that. So,

They were there just the two of them. Were there just two of us and we said: hey: do you guys want to connect and do dinner and they said yeah we'd love to, and so we said, Let's do the french laundry tomorrow and really are to get an do, but since he was a new york, ranger They made it all work and yeah we'd love to host the nash's, all sort of stuff so anyways, it was our honeymoon, so rick started ordering some nice wine. And you know probably under the assumption that he was gonna pay for the bill, and you know it being our honeymoon he would. He was gonna going all out, and at the end of the night, the came this. They came out and said: there's no building. I like one who paid for them, so he started figured out. My boy they're called in his credit card and said hey, care the dinner knighted, it's their honeymoon, but he didn't know that rick NASH was homemade and ordered the nicest wine he could possibly find so brain gut stung for a pretty big tab that night and that's when we were playing in philadelphia together and off the face

For now she went up to him one of the first games of the year and go goes and thanks for dinner now for the supper breakfast yeah you're welcome. Now she was making this huge money at the time, and braden was like a rookie in pain for rick nationals. He also was a pretty funny story that got stung without one but yeah I mean upon cologne in the summer, to stir your tour on the open, argued here in their little. But what is thing when you look back now what the thing that makes you laugh the most about, Rocky look, Shan I'd just how now even delusional powerfully I've been so my my wife, winter tm, you here in toronto and even ocean The she went out here you before I got drafted here and in my rookie year, just there not being allowed lot young guys, I kind

it up for a couple of college bars and hanging out with some of the the local college, kids in toronto here. So looking back on now, that was pretty funny. That was that was, you know just and as far as looking, I just think I was a little bit naive to the whole situation. As far as you know, what it was truly. What and to be autonomy, believed at the time. I think I'm a bit of an idea, but looking back Can hindsight and come right for the second time around it was. It was quite a bit, I was doing a very young age, but you know had some had some adversity in kind. You know, while the learning curves along the way. What was the best thing about it? By the way? Could you imagine twitter now like if they were sitting out with university students, yeah yeah? What dating result. Those kind of really when social media was first become the thing like twitter and everything, but I just love

playing in the account of the centre every night, just kind of you know, going out and going teammates after siredon a game after a big when unjust, support like people if we so fired up after sunday when you go out for a couple of drinks at the guys in, he would become up to and talk and what the stanley carpenter here, just like t atmospheres just insane how passionate People are, and that's something that I've always appreciated or does a couple of things. I just wanted to go back when on your first tour in toronto number one is I and a couple of your former teammates, they kind of laugh about it. It's the the two hands on the stick thing, oh yeah, and they said that you know you. You came from an area where you play with one hand and stick your whole career, and then they wanted you to play with two, because the rules were changing and they just said you were you

it's so hard at it. You were so earnest at it, but it was just so challenging. Yeah I mean know: you're taught to play defense a certain way, your whole life- and you know, obviously you got to evolve, but this was like totally revamping the way you're defending your egg to defend and and the skating coach at the time and in a coating staff thought, process behind it was watching. woods from nick lidstrom was a guy who can really he was so effortless any kind of he actually did play that way. It's almost like he's kind of playing in a rocking chair where he didn't really have to move. There are so many different ways of watching defence when there's a guy like Duncan Keith, is fine everywhere there there's a guy like nick, led sturm were too opposite notice. You get all com in their own respects, but let's run it didn't really cross over a ton and always kind of had two hands on a stick or has this kind of like rape, Floating on top of the ice all a time and when is coming into the war general year, when on trial for the team,

brought me to Joe Louis to go watch leafs in detroit when sitting us blocks and their dislike just watch an eclipse from the whole time like this. What we want to I'm thinking to myself like watch nick you're, trying to tell you I like to do what he does. That's subside, outnumber hearty ways yeah, it was the with two hands on your stick and no crossing over, and you can't. I dunno I just kind of felt a little bit robotic in a way, and I this one time he always work and heart out. At every day this one time it was. It was early on in the season we're playing pittsburgh in crime. We came flying down the ice and- and I was committed- I was like hey I'm going to hands here no crossing over and he had me like inside elsa and I got so lucky. I think, like the puck just clipped the heel of my stick and I was like that would have been All over, like you know, highlighted the night. I was totally roasted and the situation, but I luckily you know

the heel, my stick gonna just almost by accident, like you messed up, oh hello, at the park, and it came to the bench and are like that's exactly what we want. That's exactly what I have taken away self like I got so we re. So, if prove their point of like yeah, commit to this is what works, and you know it. Then I get to philadelphia and stronger, he'd just out as I injury, and he was on the ulterior, but he was gonna help it and do some video with me in he sort of watched my video he like. What are you doing here with your stick like what he I don't. I don't get this whore I was like this is what I've been taught is like not throw us out the window, so he kind of yeah says yeah lots of different things. You you're trying to pick up early on currer and now you're, listening to lots of different people, and you know and a thorough a works, and in almost trying to figure out. The identity would be when you're gettin, a few different opinions. You progress, figure using other grazing irritable pronger was, is an excellent teacher YAP. The thing is that you have to eat

You can't listen to him when he is calling you a loser. Just have to listen to him when he explains why you're a loser is that kind of the way away. If he yeah, I mean he was, forever reason. I mean He was so good. The brain and I like even that if he was hurt, but he wanted us in the offseason. He we flew to ST louis to go stay at his house, really yeah. He flew us there. He took us golfing and- and it was like, watch video and liked your sort of stuff and, like literally at one point, were on the on his driveway with street hockey sticks and he was like showing us a little stick positioning things. It was actually kind of wild, that's aus. He was persists. You gotta come to saint Louis, and we like it or not say no to this opportunity go stay with with prongs, but the hour he was usually get do us and he just said so many little tricks with, like. I said, positioning her, he was always see. You know on. dirtier side of things as far as what do you like he's

well. This is the spot where you give a little cross track right below. You know the short like the bottom of the shoulder pads top of the pants like get them right here on the on the ribs or you know top. uncle achilles or off the face off for top of the families like these. The things that the russian pick up on, but this is where you doing obviously You know he was the best at it and he was mean so yeah. It was a pretty interesting on a lot of a lot of things. I'll, never forget, learn from him. Well, of course you have to ask now you pick that up when you got your brother. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah in the ribs you mean yeah, yeah yeah. That was a oh man. That was not my proudest moment how to deal with my parents Jeff and reader, your parents yeah. So I should explain. Braydon comes back from broken ribs yeah and it's an accident like I've seen the play like you barely touch them. I think wall

yeah, I mean solo, say barely, but it's not bad as what we see the associate human dealing with some broken ribs on, so he was he was playing. They told him. Originally, he had one broken rep, so he started plan through and then he actions of scoring and then the next night he was a back to back he's playing in l a and he went out there and tried ticker face off and he's like. I can't do it anymore, like what's going on They flew back to saint louis and they looked at him and they get another x ray or mri, and they said we just put your arm up during it and said, and they looked and he had six or seven broken all night to whom it was one originally some lunch or who did that actually able anyways? He met some time. He just came back, and one of the first things back was against us in vancouver, I'm on the like Hell, he's on the power play, we're just digging for park in a corner, kind of scrub and

I just wasn't even thinking just kind of heat of the moment game a little little cross check rate where prague said you should do it and out. It was right at the end of the period, and I can just literally hear this gasp like out of breath and I'm like. No, I did not just do that and he comes only start skating around the start of the second period, and I look at home like your right and cunning shrugs. It off like than say much and so he played the rest of the game and they were playing on a back to back the next night. They were flying to Calgary so typically on a back to back guys, are kind of hustling out of the dressing room to get going and get to the plane, and I'm in the hallway and I'm waiting around and he's not common guy, are coming on the dressing room and finally, there trainer comes up to me and he's like looking for your brother and I gave us he's in your extra room looking at his ribs and on. Why are you can if he's a sure enough, yeah? That's not my proudest moment and I apologise a hundred times and new as an axe in germany, and I ve never want to do that, but

stinks india blame what does your parent leisure parents while they knew to like you know. Obviously I wouldn't do that, on purpose but yeah? I call my parents in the way- or they probably talked to britain first and I call on the way home and I'm like I yeah. I think I got his for a pretty low put. What the hell are you and my dad goes him. I wasn't I think that's the problem so yeah. So yeah he I I think it wasn't as bad that time I dunno if he missed time after I can't exactly remember but yeah you d want to be. The guide I you know your brother out again, that's for sure. Ok, one from your first in your trial, unless I want to ask they said it wanted, and they said they don't know. If you will talk about this, but a pair, the practice before the day before vessel task LE got traded. was a legendary practice where apparently, some of the guys knew they were going to get dealt and

It was like just like a fairly some of the things that were set on the ice just around. That practice were crazy. That one is for, the coaching stoutly ass yeah, I'm mantle menaces for sixteen years. You I've, someone just said the bride. I know I do remember are all remember is like basically, I don't fix it practice. The mornings some whatever, but If there's like some video or something like that, and basically every guy that was going to get traded was the the highlight of the video in a in a not great way, so it was like yeah. I was stage- and I, what are you doing here on this? You know battle or download the events on coverage and jamal mr backtrack, and then why are you? What are you doing here in all a sort of staff and we're, like all tommy novels random, that these geyser star the show and not the I swear that that next day they're all shipped out of town, so I think that was a if I remember

exactly but as far as on the ice, I think it was more of a video thing. I remember he, okay, that's what wanted something like that, but that did like something I just said it was the most. Is that a couple of like the next day when everybody got traded? Everyone was laughing and said: oh okay, yeah, I know yeah the next. Everyone got traded and were like those were all the star of the show the previous day and video. So I guess good thing: if if would end up in the video that might have meant you're out of town, so the guys who are stayed out of the video got to stay last summer. I just wanted to ask you about it, and you know you you play in toronto. They get their first playoff win in a long time and you have choices and What brought you to nashville? What made you settle in nashville? the combination of things. First of all, you know, I think I've guys- have played an actual before me- good, buddies with shea weber, Jordan to do in cody, France in and then turn

at play here really close enshrined. Mcdonough thyssen bury rhino really. Well, I don't know he was sitting at the time, but where to go a good relationship with trotzky I play from two thousand nine. I think world championships he might have in the coach and he's in the oak and organ of the summer in canada, we play the teams use coaching weather is nashville, Washington or the islanders are always kind of charter in the hallway, and I just always thought he was a really good man and wife Im coming in a new coaching staff, it kind of seemed like there is new changes direction which of you know was exciting, and I want to be part of that, and just talking to big. Mcdonough was a big guy talking to him a lot of the time, and you say to you I you know just he had some really good conversations. I think you know with trotting kind of what they're trying to build and sort of the game plan going forward and the guys he wanted to bring in. As far as

you know some veteran guys who been around and have the chance to win before and some when he referred his character, guys in you know, just kind of speaking highly of the? if a guy, you wanted to bring it enormously. Brain o reilly in another. That's a relic nightmares, just the type of guys who's going after and mixing it with some good youth here, and on top of that too, I mean I always love coming to nashville and the others. It was my favorite city coming in and ever since my first year in the league, I always was weird I thought myself like this is literally favoured city? I could see myself here. One day and obviously never think its ever gonna happen, but just stop just such a cool vibe in the city and, the games, the the buildings rocking every night. And yet you know you still kind of have a different lifestyle than you'd have in a lot of other places too. So I yeah, I mean As far as coming back to china, why I loved every bit of it. crazy. I went full circle. I you know

the way things ended there. I I enjoyed every bit of it, but had some growing pains a young guy and thought to myself, you know Always be sort of a dream to come back and get the chance to play meaningful and play hockey here in the way, my crew, Why do you not be an up and down in the miners and passed on obviously never think its ever gonna happen and want to finally did happen. I was through you get the chance to play down the structure in the playoffs and I enjoyed a bit of it, and then you know that the side of things take over out, as we know, there's a seller cap in order to deal with some internal staff, a new kind of thinking. Other potential lining spots and nationals

top that less than a man. I'm glad worked out. There is a few places to go here, but first I want to just you know the finally able national is I've had guys say to me: you come there is a visitor, and then you go there to play and realise that you can't live your life is asheville not like you do as a visitor, but they talk about what a great place it is to live with a family and does so what's the difference between going there as a visitor and living there as a predator who are you going to find yourself on broadway to your hinted at first was changed a lot down there. As far as you know, how the whole downtowns been redeveloped in its to full time party, I mean that's what it as its. You got other the weak and shoulder. Surely you can't walk innocent people that are just having At the time of their lives and down there with friends and everything like that, so you go down there for a couple of dinners here and there and you know, go out with maybe some other couples and enjoy but then you kind of get back out. You know we live

ten fifty miles from downtown and it's unbelievable living were you know you get great. houses in property sizes and learn and everything is differ, from a lot of other places where little more basin, everyone so friendly and near you got greg. Courses around and great restaurants in your nibbler. Look in your neighborhoods in the schools are great for the kids and just cod. as far as light minor hockey. I mean it's even think of it as a great man, are you swore, but it's up and coming in, like donna nor riley myself. We all got kids the same age, three and six year olds, and we are of them every day and no one would ever know bother us not huskies president or how is a game reads, you're kind out there being a dad and that's what it's kind of cool. Were you know you can

play in nhl and play in front of a sold out building every night. Then the next day you go to your son's practice and you're just out there with the with the kids and it's a you the book, the best very world who will be the worst hockey dad of you, Mcdonough and orally the worst as in the most intense, yes, oh man, the one who's yelling at the referees. Why is my son not getting more ice time yeah? I know my daughter not getting more ice time yeah. I know I I I dunno I think, we're all pretty level had in that way. We all got pretty good perspective, but Sometimes I'd like to see a little bit more out of out of the kids put it that way. I'm kind of talking to both the guys on the side be like you don't, can mix in this drill are eating. for once said this to this kid you think you'd understand, like you know, to be you hard on budgets learning at it. I think that part of it to its, like you know, you're.

You're in the cell, so minor hockey isn't pray what it is in canada, tron aware, Maybe your little ahead of the curve is mars teaching. So my went out a little more impact on what you know without being overboard so I it's fun, it's fun to go to the rink with the kids, your injury. This year I heard it was pretty. There was a worry. It was pretty bad at one time, yeah, yeah yeah. I know I'm talking about have any injury. India originally when I when I first heard the time, I've you know it was weird. I had couple little panes of my knee prior to the seas in and then it was warm up in the hallway and tab before the game and got some clicking on on in and I felt strange and that I played the game and the next day my need this kind of like the lock, return like a color exploded armenia's before actors and locked- I mean the other two

can there's two different procedures in go muskets thing, so there you can remove it, which Take it out or you can repair, which is like a five or six month process and I've actually talk to guys who have done it. Both could, if you guys, have actually how to die and had no law curse after that staff costs is a guy who's dealt with their talk to Andrew large, whoever archie loudest car was a guy. I talk to you about some guys who you know of. out some pretty good careers and gone through some some injury issues in at the end of the day. You know just get opinions and talking to doctors and that sort of thing in color- the best decision. What I thought going forward and yeah I mean and that message about seven weeks in certain It's come around again, so let's get good. I'm glad to hear it thanks. You know it's it's very clear loop. When you ask people about you, you're, a very popular teammate, you're, very popular guy in the league.

And you know a lot about. What's going on as a matter of fact, one guy said to me: if they ve luke shane ever wanted to be an insider that nobody would compete with him for breaking stories. But the thing that people talk about the most and the thing there happiest for you was there was a time that looked like a thought you might be done and They said you know, give luke schenn credit like he's, like they target he's a nice guy, but he's a firm guy and he's a proud guy, and he refused that to listen to anybody who said his career was over. yeah well, first of all, you're in center ce I dunno about that. I I think I'm aware of I have a pulse on things, have a policy plus on the league and what's going on, but anyways yeah when I those kind of trending and not a great direction. For you know my last little bit in arizona and then I signed in anaheim as a free agent. I thought she would be a decent to be ass. You I had a couple

offers actually shows what out I'm, because at the time that are a team like gets off and airy iran kessler causally analyse Silverberg, like you know, good deed, or two linen valor, but there was in both men. Don't you or physical, the walloons movie access addition by subtraction. True and you is there for you know a bigger physical, the phantom, and so I thought this would be a decent fit in Canada went there. he got out of the gates and was looking around me and like Man, this isn't going olenin Ivan played out maybe seven or eight games in two months in an yeah for on waivers for the first time in my career and I don't need to name names but was was basically question whether or not thou it. You know the right choice to go down and go to minors for the first time in or as the game passing by and might have been

your question, but in my head in all our there's, a lot of things going through your head, but after kind are going down there and you're talking to people close to me. I I thought I got on their learn: work things and told off brain and my dad to us. I think I can play another five years in which I just gotta work on some things, and you know. Fine tune, some things and evolve as a player in Dallas eakins is really good to me there. He helped me a time playing me in kind. I hope my confidence back and then that's when Sir workers without a modes and help I too and yeah it's been a heck of I sense in its almost black in the skies I mean it was so some adversity, I think, yeah you don't want to take. No for an answer. I thought I can go. You know still make a career. That goes, twenty nine years old at the time, and I still thought I had some time left me in I looked at guys and teams around the league too, and you know,

it was biased guy ever, but the teams a winner, the guys, the teams. Big heavy de course, so you know obviously had to work on some play in moving the park, but you know that that element of physicality in size and to ensure that for the night and being strong corners at that never goes missing and apply officers. That's those are the teams that when so, obviously had some things to work on, but no kept search for answers and try to get better, and that was my goal and my mindset was: try to get better with age a lot of guys. You know, I guess go downhill after the age of twenty, nine and thirty years old, but the kind of being the minority of that and find ways to get better and heal. I'll try to chip away at end and worker thanks. There are things I always remember my career and one of them, I remember was I texted you during that time.

And I remember you touched me back and said I don't want to hear you goin on the air and saying my career is over I'll. Never forget that yeah. Well, I think yeah? I was. I think it was saturday when, when I got put on waivers- and you know, there's some rumblings- that. I dunno, where the rumor came from that you know, if I cleared waivers that you know is potentially going to hang them up. Yes, that's right, yeah, and so I think my agent, you know caught wind of it and- and I just wanted to say for me directly. That was the case and I wonder you don't go work, work and my game and give it a try and no or goin ego aside and maybe swell your pride and just get back to trying to figure it out and. Yeah it was a. It was a strange time for sure where you know cause he come into the league as a as a young guy, eighteen years old, playing with the leafs and then people attention follow your career and then say things Trending in the wrong direction,

the game going in a different way and you're not gonna I guess, holding up to expectations and maybe living up to know what people thought. So it was- a tough time but in the end, a actually quite thankful for, because those tough times. I don't think you know what able in reality. I my name on the stanley cup and he ll fight back to go through that adversity in and everything's kind are not the way I want to be in or not want to be it's. It's it's been a hard road, but you know I've preacher a bit of it, and on top of that too, I say this to No matter where you are, you meet so many good people on the way to yes, whether it's in san, diego or utica, and even people Got to when I was in Tampa, I played two preseason games that got thrown on waivers there tonight to go down to syracuse for a bit too so met a lot of good people along the way and a lot of people that

beyond support you and want you to get back in it's it's been a heck of a ride, already got a couple more for you. So then, before you and katie and and nick, and go for dinner, ca, auto and too much longer get the two dressing rooms. I want to ask you about being part of first of all, what was best memory, from celebrating either stanley cup in Tampa. Oh man nothing but good memories, they're just. it was interesting because the first year in the bubble, like there is no friends and family, which obviously was unfortunate. But it was just the guy's witches that will never happen again was literally just a group of players and trainers and cultures and management that got to celebrate together and So we had the night and metin for the night and were just stayed up all night and we, you know celebrate. We are in the dressing room with each other, just drinking out of the cup of justice. It was like no one around which

seem strange what is almost like intimate away where you're like this is your nose in it the room with you, no fifty their family and you know, agents and whatever people that earn from out of town, which is great, but somebody said to just be with just the guys here in the bubble with fur three months or whatever. It was, and then If we want the next day have both prayed, which is incredible so then you get to celebrate with everyone. The family meets their in. That way pretty special. I was enough to be on the ball with stammer unhappy. and I are I bought it was. It was a yacht with those two guys on there anyways, I yeah we're just you'll, be in those two guys had he had the compromiser. He had died the whole time and I we at the cop on on the boat for a lot of it, which is pretty cool, and you know you're just people this kalganov, like do just the whole thing, that those praiser knots and just how fired

People are in Everyone in those encoded were you what you're not supposed to get in contact genuine, but everyone's drinking out of the car. So it's it was just a wild sort of situation. Then the next year too, I mean kind of back of the same group a guys in and guises. a million over the cap, the exactly exactly whatever the story was but Harry. Found a way in They are not taken any way from aggravate nano sister, special, special care to be part of an I mean yeah, just the dinners we'd have look after we won t like. I think we went five or six knights and are all a team dinners with the wives and like we just can get enough of each other, like everyone is so happy for each other and next day way up in guys were exhausted because you're not sleep in care. We, to take taken off, mixing or five hours later note, or back together or celebrated in everyone's together and that's what are closed. Guises near you.

tat. Success authorise you gotta, be closer population, talking. We play tampa last night and you know we go over and you talk to John cooper and java burn in just the staff over there in the guys, we're talking after the game, its there's, nothing like it when you're part of winning group like that- and you know- even this year, Alex chlorine came the town when is about anaheim, mean Madonna, met him for dinner and then week and a half later, maroon and bogosian came meet them for dinner. It's just like when you when you win together. It's like you've got this bond that doesn't happen and were also I'm we will group guys know- is fortunate to be a part of that when you remember about toronto being tab in that room after that came last year, that was also crazy. To I mean that it was a pretty bon jour is in dressing hillock road celebrating with us and stuff like that. That was That was crazy because obviously know the history of how much a means to the fans in trouble.

to just five zero once when the carpet. It was like the curse of just one in that first round and saw it was like this big weight off her shoulders and I was fortunate enough to be on the ice when john diverse score. Diving overtime go there, and just like that, sounds like the weight of the world. You know you could feel it a little bit- and I was there for a short time, but just the guys have been there for such a long time and deal with it on a year to euros. just an incredible feeling, and at that point you think like care. This is our year, because you know you finally get that that defer series win but got away, but it was just a that's. An amazing group of guys too and fortune have to be a part of that and kind of was Interesting to be on the other side of things playing tap on the first shroud annoying, you know how now good there in the play arson how they gave it out in the play us every year in

You know how good wasielewski is every year in the playoffs. Just the whole thing I mean that was a that was an intense rival. It was heated, it was emotional. I mean like I just told you, these topics are somewhat best plays ever played off, but it was kind of kind of like war in the playoffs, where you put all that aside aegis dude, You can do to help the leaves when that serious and knives was. It was to be part of that two more number one tell me about the legend of your billet house. in the western hockey that there's another way to put it their legendary billet, family, her anger and very davidson. There there are some there, just donor of good people in. They got a long history of building you no great, born and get occupiers had started

it was before. I was there at carson, german. I don't remember the name you put into flames a little bit and then he moved out and they took on shea weber and she was there for like four years and the year I got drafted, are you get call up and put a few games, but the eurogroup drafted the its went on world cup, and so they can we have for the playoffs they they wanted me to stick around and they build you a shade just a kind. I have a good men turn. How was it? Was you so good to me? I mean I still remember how he took care of me and were so good bodies to this day in that goes actually yeah. Forty, fifteen years old and so yeah he took me everywhere. Hang let me hang out the other guys on the team which you. It doesn't seem like much, whereas a fifteen year old fellows are things you don't forget. How do you know what the other boys in them taken in and then yeah. He moved on the next year, where I came in ass. A sixteen year old,

and I have taken over his room at the bill- it house, so he went to nashville. I came in and then later on, that year, tyler myers drafted so put him in with me, so tired, him up at the end of the year. I think he played with notre dame so he came with me. You lived for a month or two. Then, actually so in the same boat house. He had another billet family and then, sure enough. We get another first round picked by the name of thyssen vary, so he comes and lives of me, and so we are together for bed and then he moved out please close to each other, and actually jamie banjo lived up the road, so we're always hanging out in their eyes playing in toronto? The next year I move. and then michael backlit movie, and he came in as an import from sweden, saw the others Are our billets is how this list guys that were just gonna? Do you know

good guys and now you know, just kind of sending guys off to the nhl, which is crazy and for no rhyme or reason just everyone kind of ended up here and pretty cool. Yet we still keep in touch with them. Now I shall I get together with them in cologne every summer and do barbecues, and you know, have how over for dinners and that sort of thing in we always laugh because every single guy they ve had mouse eaters Shea and then tyler. I mean he's six seven as a sixteen. I think with this guy is putting back and obviously myself, but they always said their biggest eater by a mile was backlit, which I found grizzly yeah, that's well as vulnerably, but you can imagine. I mean billet families. I don't know what you're gettin, probably fewer bucks every month. That's probably not putting a dent in half a week's veto. Food well with these guys coming through here, so great great billet, family and yeah. Fortunate to live there and and they've had quite the run of of players coming through who's, a better grill master. You are wherever me

I don't know, I guess we're she just lived, maybe ten fifteen. sit down from each other in cologne there, and so, with my kids the odd time will you know Taleb, even paddleboard, down to his place or whatever he'll bring his kids by and yeah he's great eyes. You know that it's crazy to go back What was it seventeen eighteen years we known at first maybe longer and that when I first, you know belittle with him and he's living down the street now and it saw corners a crazy place. You I mean all these guys are retiring there. Now too, it's a it's quite the spot for retired guys, and I always joke now. It's the it's. The lcr capital of the nhl praise, Webb seabrook was there MIKE smith? Was there all these guys are retired hanging out there, so they're all enjoying themselves, but all guys that you know are obviously banged.

input device on their line, their entire career and earned every bit of what they got and just a great guy to hang out with Luke thanks very much. I really appreciate the extra help me on. I appreciate how awesome the okay, so that's luke, schenn of the nashville predators and elliott in oil. Never give me praise so luke schenn was standing in that interview and I think that Anybody listening to that can totally imagine in their mind stronger, saying to Luke Shen. What are you doing? What, is that. Why are you asking why, what's the two hands on the stick: guy you remember elliot. That was a huge thing with the maple leafs at that time, and a lot of people pointed and said that that was a real issue with with Lucian. Specifically percent, and we did a game in pittsburgh. I don't think it was that game or he talked about,

him making the play on crosbie. I think it was a different game by the building in pittsburgh and this was the old building That's the way it was set up. There was, we did our interviews in a court or to the, act or of the monopolies dressing room, and I was taping an interview with someone it might have been units for children when he's scores first ever an age old goal and. I could be off, but I I do remember doing their view with him and Lucian was out there with rob. Sattler was the assistant coach and they were having a very animated conversation about something. could tell. Zeller was trying to teach shin about some and they were so the two hands on the stick and Did you see she was really confused? He was really confused, so I asked of them later

and basically what it was was on the penalty kill. How do you use your foot position to build passes. If you had two hands on your stick,. And your settlers. A really good teacher is so he was trying to help Shan out, but you could just see how much of a challenge it was for him to process it now is that there was a really good piece I hope you enjoy that one is a good soccer he's a great augur he's come in for all of our jobs. We better hope it. He gets contract after contract after contract in a delicacy common for all of our jobs k on that will wrap up those along podcast if you're still listing at this point bless yo is- shall place in half in reserve for you, but thanks they can around so long. The next pike ass is usual comes out friday morning

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