It looks kind of weird but, like I don't wanna ridden the pittsburgh season comes to an end and penguins management all dismissed, welcome authority to thoughts apart cast presented by gm sea and the sierra eighty four acts, elliot sprig penguins announcing this morning, they ever president of hockey, operations, Brian burke, general manager, on textile and assist in general manager Chris prior of there. Duties. We suspected we were talking about all week that when fenway makes up there, my we won't have to wait very long to find out what their decision is, and this is their decision. I don't think anybody is hugely surprised by this jaffa. I can't imagine anyone, sitting here today saying we didn't

back this to happen. You knew that the way things were going pittsburgh missing the play out that there were going to be consequences. You could see in the market there was a crisis of consumer confidence, the writing was on the wall and earlier this season I had a conversation with some one in boston media in and he preferred not to have his name you, so I won't use it just it. fan ways like how do they operate, what to expect from them? The company has tendencies right and in this way and said to me that one thing of fenway. Is they work quick? If there making changes they don't let it drag out. We said that some of the people- been fired by fenway, actually like about that, like it's, not a long walk right, it is quick other thing that they set about fenway? Is that you generally no of chains coming because the wind start blowing us no way

like, for example, fenway in o runs the boston globe and there good it getting their message out, and so in the last few weeks. As you know, started happening around the trade deadline and story started getting out about disputes may be between the coach. staff and the front office. person said it was an absolute red flag to them. That change was coming. Oh look like in this league, especially with that team, the expectations that around them, after the moves they made last summer, to keep the court together. I don't anybody is surprised that there were these kinds of cod whence, as I think, the only thing that really anyone was wondering is all the organization really loves MIKE Sullivan gave him extension hugely of him and they this kind of wondered. If away the team finished that might change, but obviously it

You know, we know the turf and we sports acts quickly, so there have been dismissals on friday. The other thing that is of prime importance now is who goes into these spots. Like is one thing to react quickly: seasons over penguins lose the clamorous blue jackets. The very nice stay. We get these dismissals. How quickly to the active, All these positions that number one. I do think they ve already started putting together a list. I think they. Started looking at some names out there and people they could be interested in If that's going to be one of the first questions, are we talking search firm or are they going to go with a list that they have compiled? I think there's It will be. Some talk about people with pittsburgh connections. We talk elsewhere in this podcast or were going to about how Think ratio is on philadelphia radar, but I wonder like bought a role, bringing someone back who's got some history with the franchise or do

go elsewhere or completely anew or even off the radar? I talked about on your show this week about how the building out their analytics department. Soul now alex shawl, whose one of the people who was retain their is assistant gm. I believe, he's the listen right now is kind of like the point at building out that programme plus Jeff It's already started in pittsburgh. The dubious rumours are gonna, be off the chart. I think that The question here is: does pittsburgh go with what they started? compile Do they hire search firm to do some work with them philly, for example, hired to search firms for their presidency, although they are, I don't leave their interviewing anyone else for the gm job. Yes, he that was one of my questions to some of the people that they would want to look at. I would imagine, are still under contract with any child teams. Now now there's a couple of expiring contracts here with managers you mention kyle do was that story has been well told. We ve

talked a lot about bradshaw living as well. It seems very much that they're looking for someone who has a strong analytics slanted and to how they measure the game and how the view the game, so maybe that's the direction we should be looking at here with fenway sports. One of them problems. They felt as they didn't do, a great job of filling out their roster. It's gonna be one of the conversations here around mulligan crosbie in le tang. How do quarter? what we do. A better job of filling out. Their roster and also, if they're gonna be spending on the infrastructure to put together an analytics group. Like I heard could be several hires. There will see what happens the g, he's gonna have to be somebody. Who's got at least a willingness to listen to that. It can't be someone you're not gonna, build out a whole group Jeff and then have someone there or says yeah, I'm not listening to any of that. Andy

a dollar shortly pittsburgh penguins their sixteen season play off streak is over. It was not. goes to go this way when the ban kept together at the end of last season, tang rust mulligan all of it when they kept the crew together? for a few more runs at this thing. This was now How was supposed to end up- and you know one of the things about the penguins this year- elliot is generally everybody hop? Six was healthy, specifically Yevgeny marken, who aid more games in a season that he's played going back to two thousand and nine anyway. What are your thoughts on how this all unfolded for the pittsburgh penguins. My number one thought is: I understand why tnc doesn't hire you to do your their slogans, minds, good minds, good they're, slow, it's better than yours. No, no! No! No, no, not better deity! I think a couple of things. Your number one, I think the biggest thing about the penguins this year in and missing the players and in you kind of hit on it. There is.

It's the end of the mystique right. They had a law, play austria. As you said, it's over the idea of a vet, in crosbie, missing the play ass. We have seen that in a long time or vegetables lesbian blackhawks missing the plans, even though the chicago burn down turn for a while it's been a long time since we ve seen this stuff and like I said at the end of the mystique I dont want to attach and solely to crosbie goods. really fair and it's not really. Rights saw a minute. About you. crosbie le Tang mall can penguins you go back to the stanley cup final in two thousand: seventeen against nashville there, the old We team, I can find who won stanley cup that year. Without with single defence men, who ever got a norris troll vote like the tang, got her. And they still beat a really good national team to win the carpet was always cross.

In charge in and balkan and le Tang in general, as is lieutenants, there was a mystique there that no matter what happened if they had a bad game, they would always find a way, and I think that the thing that shocked, everybody was it in their hands their destiny was in their hands. They controlled it. It was shocked, go and columbus and they didn't do it for a lot of people seeing them. triumvirate of players, unable to It done in that moment was a total wow situation and I think of you the penguins you're sick. back and that's the thing that hits you the hardest is the debts of the end of the mystique, I everybody understands what I'm saying here. I am not blaming crosbie or any one else. I'm just saying that now what you realize is the group

greatness of him, and those three is not enough anymore. So The number one thing you have to look at is: we have stop taking it for granted that those is there going to be able to drag you everywhere. You wouldn't need to go. You look at the oscar for this. second year in a row, health, goal. Clobbered them got pushed around a lot. They didn't have enough depth and you're. The Jeff the total wildcard and I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but I'm just saying its total wildcard. Do you ever get to Why were you say you know? Why be a rebuild is the way well that's interesting, because that is flies complete in the face of what was agreed upon last season and Do wonder about that as well. I do wonder how frozen

pittsburgh penguins are based on what their commitment was last season. That would be a complete one. Eighty, if they start talking about rebuild and then at what point, is court? Unquote everything on the table for fenway now the pangs gonna have cap space if gonna have some some room to do some things here. So I do wonder like you do. Is this going to be look? got two more seasons of sidney crosby. At eight point, seven million dollars were gonna. You know swing this thing back according to cap friendly right now, it's twenty million dollars that they have to play with. Do they. been this thing back double down again and take a run added, or do they say we need. Start looking long term and thing is if they start looking long term, do you go to your keys? layers and say: do you want to be part of this? something that I wonder about, because I think quite rightly point out in all of this. This is new ownership. Here this is

Mario Lemieux and you know, ron burkle, you know saying you know cons, retiring penguin, crosbie retiring, a penguin. Le Tang is retiring, a penguin. a completely different group like we ve made this before the vote? Penguins now are the first, in time. Professional sports organization in pittsburgh not owned by a family this is a new environment. This is a corporate environment. These are corporate decisions that will be made up, and I do wonder if they spent around and say we're gonna go the rebuild mode. What have and two crosbie and marking and the tang. What happens to them the players, boy, you're gonna, start a dumpster fire here. While I am, I mean I'm just coming shy of saying you know: do we see Crosby and mackinnon do their own? You know tim hortons, commercial, in denver I know we're getting way ahead of ourselves here, but I think that this could be a summer where a lot of we're

things and unexpected things are the table for the penguins. I think this jeff the ones I completely agree with is that this was never supposed to be. A rebuild insist god, it's happening in washington results speak. Like all the sudden, you look at what happened, and you say boy. We may have to really reconsider white we're gonna. Do here. ellie another news around the any child the unarmed ducks announcing on friday. They will not be renewing the contract of dallas agents who had been on the expiring deal here. They will look now for a new head coach fran. I'm That was a really really tough position to be in this year. There Bunch of situations this year, where the coaches were in and they knew their teams really didn't, have a chance and the was in one of those situations. You know. I really thought that

the things that acorns was gonna be graded. I was their young players and how much they progressed. Like I really like MC tabus, lotta people really lack have as she's a talented guy, and I thought he was put in the old positions to succeed this year. Zebras he's a really interesting, polarizing guy, but again I think that he has shown that he's going to be a very good in a jailer for a long time, the other, Two I was kind of wondering about here- is I believe that anaheim is going to bring a coach the matt mcilveen backs the austrian league to coach at san diego and the? hl, and the word is that were being really thinks highly of him and thinks you as a bright future and some coaches said to me that when you get a guy put like that in the american hockey league, some people will be careful about taking the job at the end each level like you, never know what could happen between now and two years from now, as if

does happen? Mcilveen gets his experience, but a code, could be automatically going in there. Looking over his shoulder and I may be under those circumstances, it would be possible The agents would stay. Genuine developed. The young players as mcilveen gained his experience, but obviously pat were big. Disagrees. Egg is an interesting guided me. If you Look at his record, you'd, look at it and say mare bite, I think, he's a really smart guy. I think there's a good coach there. I really do the other thing I wonder about like. When we talk about pittsburgh, you know burke will, The on tv with us next week. I wonder of and does television. I could see him being a guy who could be very good at it, because I think he's somebody who would be very good at explaining to an audience he's always been. A teacher he's always worked well with young players. I think this was a really tough situation for Dallas akins to be in the season. There was a lot there was stripped away from this team. This team was designed

no just to help develop players and provide something for pad for beef to move. Come trade deadline time we ve seen it before is one of the classic stories around coaching. This season. Wasn't the fault of dallas acorns? I don't know me: coaches elliot they could have walked into that situation this year with anaheim, you know, if you're losing you know, ryan gets laugh and everything that happened last year at the trade deadline and at the in therein and done miracles and somehow got the unharmed ducks into the playoffs. I think this is a miserable situation. The Dallas awakens found himself in. I dont disagree with you know it how'd. You get judged on, though the body of of work that you do and I get that that's just the way life goes, but the one thing I do know is that you know when you listen to her big talk last year after he took over the team in kind said. Okay, This is where we're going in. This is what our goals were. You know this year. He kind of

looked at it as we just want to see improvement in our players and when you get the group it's kind of gonna, be there group for the next. Couple of years moving forward. I thought those players got better to me. It's biggest success story. There is troy. Terry, I think, couple years ago you know people I have looked at troy, terry and said: what do we have here and now there is the understanding that this guy is a pretty good offensive player. The other thing that happens here is all don't forget, were because new he wants his people and that's is the way it goes sometimes are in this pod cast of negativity,

the calgary flames are out, although, although elliott, if we can shine some sunshine here, wednesday night, we saw dustin, wolf, real nice performance, nicest family in the stands, Matt, coronado, etc, and Nikita Zadorov enters the norris chat with his first career hat trick as the refining end on a high note, but never thought I'd see, nikitas dora with a hattrick in the nhl, but nonetheless there it was the first career goal game and he's got three again, the flame season, not the way it was intended when bradshaw living made all the moves in the off season. Johnny gaudreau story is well told, as is the matthew, tkachuk story and the players that came in with the cause you with its hubert o, whether its weaker etc. This is not the way was supposed to go. You

here we are first order of business, true or false? The decision on bread for living? I think that is the first order of business. First of all, I gotta think next year, wolves. beyond the roster, nothing left it. For the aid. I know it's only the one game audit and it's against the san jose sharks with all due respect. for the good man yeah. Why will you look at the bodies? Like he's got nothing to do in the end, the personnel anymore he's probably the envy beauty age all this year. So I think gotta, see him on the roster, the I think you're living is the number one thing I'm curious about the time line of this. So brad browser living was offered a contracted earlier in the season like Darrell sutter was extended right before the year and we'll get to that in a second and living was offered the extension and he pointed aegis, said look. He wanted some time and This is one of those situations where I ve talked about before, where Sometimes you realize that you just need a change in your life

kind of wondered- if that was the case here, if there is in any way shape or form. True living is feeling- maybe it's just time so We owe the exit interviews with a lot of the players were held on thursday. I don't know what the schedule or them for in. Obviously there is a lot going on behind the scenes kind of where I see it as we were. Or this on thursday right reliving has a decision to make, I think the cavalry flames would like for living to return as gm. I think he was offered an extension earlier in the year. He wasn't sure and they pointed it out to the of the season will now we're here, an eel. claims near decision, and you know I think he's gotta make a choice. Does he want stay and, like I said, I think the flames would love to keep em or does he think it's time for a change and that something that only brad trailer knows now. I mentioned Jeff on your show. On thursday I had thought

dont, maloney and craig Conroy work stand it because I think what the flames kind of. Why was a framework that if tree living didn't come back, there wasn't like a power vacuum. The thing who, at least in the short term, who would you kind of being charge and running things if decisions had to be made now I did get some push back on that, but not in time early, so we'll see where that all goes, but about the ouch, we'll solder, it's a really tough one got a two year. Extension Frances reported the other day. I think it's four point: two million a year. two year extension which starts next season? I have no reason to disbelieve Eric. I think he knows exactly what he's taught about, and I do this is a situation where the organization just wants to throw away that money. I think what that could come down.

Two is how do the players feel- and I think this there's a bunch of really good players who have a year left on their contracts up fine, it's too fully thirty goals. home heck of a player back, lend a heart and soul player on defence? It's ten of you know how much they love him. Hannifin who's really developed their in store tour of what an unbelievable year, an incredible finish with the hattrick on the last night. I mean who bet that who bet this odour of hat trick and is now retiring from job either you could come down to a lot about what those guys say. Are they feel about the direction of the tea? Obviously, too, hubert, I had a really rough year. You have to find a way to make it your work for him and the Hubert old thing is really interesting. I had heard that when they made Hubert o the offer that way the things Hubert always weighing wise? I haven't

game here yet, but you wouldn't believe me: in Calgary. They they went steak dinner montreal and they made him the big offering and huberdeau took it an expensive dinner event. Nobody took me out for these kinds of dinners jealous you get anywhere close to ten point: five at a sports nut. No, no! No! No! I have but one of the that was raised, he would always are. You really sure do you really want to do this and you he quite rightly pointed out: how do you turn it down all the shock of the deal, we know he was absolutely cod by surprise. Now. Imagine all of us put into huber those shoes a year you're sitting there you're you're here having your shrimp tell your clam chowder you're my gear caprices salad. Brain scene or the sea bass or or you're me. Your meet your ear state. Whether you prefer

the sirloin or the tea born or the filet, or maybe eight just a giant tomahawk right in front of bread, three living in gets presented to you. Anybody listening pike, ass, put yourself in theirs in near in their shoes Can I say no to that, but now it gets incumbent on Hubert, oh and weaker, and cavalry and everywhere and in addition to slaughter and the organization like, if I on the team. I would be getting everyone in a room together and saying guys, how's this all gonna work, because you can't trade everybody, but at the end I think you have to make that work like you're, not going to light that on fire. You have to fight wait a minute that work. I think one of the questions is gonna be is our their players who come and say? Look I'm not resigning at least not now we can talk about it later by, like I'm not going to talk about it. This summer

Does that also forces you into decisions like sometimes you make decisions because you want to make them and times you make decisions, because the clock dictates you make them, and if a whole bunch of players come in and say, I'm not going to talk about resigning like I'm going to let it play out and don't forget after next year I got a lot of. People are expecting a million, maybe if lucky a little bit more this summer, but next summer there's gonna be a bigger cat. That's where we get the job bright, the gray now, you're, looking at using all these players or on sign The summer there available the cap's gonna go up So there's gonna be opportunity for them, so number one is tree living now. two is: what are your player say. they say, locker signing right now, We know lit homes, town, we know back once town. We know what ten of is

to fully had thirty goals, the door of if I play a discipline system these selling him at his peak. If you wanted to do that, and so, first of all, yes, car per cent, gm and his decision is your first call but you're next cos, is what are your player say, and what are you doing with that and like yours, utter he's, just a grinder like I just can't see it changing at all the one thing I will say is this: yes sutter granted on them this year I have heard simple: there's. There have said that, yes, the relationship with sutter has not been perfect bite they have also said, sir, guys on their team- and I don't think they're only talking about the saint Hubert I'll, have to do a better job of trying to make it two. I did hear that some players said that you have to do care of yourself to like a care just be one way, it has to be two way

although they acknowledged it's a big bridge to fix- and it's gotta be fixed, both ways There's a couple of years. We talked about you, a phase after next season, there's a couple of decisions that are on the rise in here for living or if not, bread for living than whomever else is a general manager. The calgary flames year, and we ll all new church is one of those names you know. Trevor louis is one of those names. Troika betcher is one of those names like there's some immediate business. Here too, whilst it's your played really! Well there. That's all! I want to make sure that I got that brings. The thing is really good. I agree with you and you know I think the thing about stature is a year. the cabs not going up, I can see that you're in particular, having a lot of value. First of all, doesn't cause you any problems, be he plays hard and it's not a huge d right so. I could see their big used in stature. I think they'd, like the keeper,

I'll tell you an interesting thing here, I think in washington we have always had some russian players around or vatican just so, you know like he's in all its a comfort thing as much as anything else. They now look Orlov's gone samson I was gone and I think they will I did do what they can to move cause. That's off. And all of a sudden, you're gonna have like for a match in is washington kinds of goes into its next phase and we'll talk about them in a couple seconds think they're trying to signal that can look like rats. Try something a little different here you mean I have this comfort zone and, if you look One thing with sutter. Your version will he loves louis and he obviously loves luge each. I think one of the things claims might say here is warranted. Take away some of your security, blankets now louis to me is really interesting in particular, because I heard like what

comes to the way sutter grinds like a lot of people. Just go to louis and say how handle this and I've heard he's very very good at that. But I've heard that, claims may simply say that suffers eyes we to move them. The reason for that is where listeners now is because louis was with sutter in LOS Angeles rehnhjelm, so there's they did the background there. The problem is like I can look at a lot of these players now that might be, as you mentioned, security blankets for darrell sutter. You mentioned than Hubert owes new contract kicking in all guess what Mackenzie wiggers new deal kicks in his well. He bumps up to six point two five as well. I cap space vanish. They have to find ways to make this work here It was the calgary flames, and I want to move on after this, where a lot of other teams to get to as well. But I look at the flames- and I say, they're closer to being good than closer to being bad

as one manager once told me. You know we can talk about her underlying numbers. Oh you want eventual. Reality starts and the game stir. You are what your record says you are, but you do look at patterns and you look at trends and I still think that closer to being good and closer to being bad one The problems is, they need to figure out and we mention Dustin wolf earlier these figures, gold tending the. I dont disagree with you. I think thus in born he was one of the first talk about what a great article early this year about even though their underlying numbers are really good. The problem was, they didn't get great chance, so like that's where soon I'm the owner employing them all in and I'm saying how do we turn are underlying numbers into something positive and that there are two they use this year. They gave up the opening goal like on the opening shot. I, what like ten times this year, you can't play like that. You change

You spend too much time chasing the absolutely so I do think that the Overall, emotion like the sum said to me too many distractions this year too many distractions, so How do you eliminate the distractions? How do you do? alright to have a tall order in albert, listen to the thirty two thoughts, podcast ad free on amazon, music, concluding with Brian's the one of the thing I want to mention about that pittsburgh chicago game. story going around that some islander fan went the islanders team store and bought and islanders jersey and put morass extreme in number? I like an honorary islander, a futile, whereas what what

joke about the other day drawn to virus with the backhanders. Helping is old team cared who have any more, but first of all I wonder fans- were awesome this week. Yes, I have understood his reply correct this and first of all, you guys can do whatever you want to do thoroughly. Like a vice, say you can't put vars anymore. None of these people are going to listen to me anyway, but honestly, how can you boots of ours anymore, saved the season islander fans take about in nashville. I think even they were surprised. They were in it as long as they were. After what we saw at trade deadline- and that goes, I think, elliot a lot to use the saros, and I think that goes a lot to the kids by the way

Did you well run the nash obeyed? What did you make of them putting out publicly the case, for you see sorrows and the vessel, the trophy putting that out on social media, the links to the article o? I have no problem with that at all. I think that's what teams are supposed to do as back their guys rate, whom the sharks to the two or their karlsson. This whole thing with the voting you're, the guy, and I shall watcher who tweets about hockey. Aids, the o is kind of a funny guy, and I really like his account someone sent me a tweet. He set out your show on Wednesday, where I said you know hello box, my guy for the vessel and someone said look at these aids written on board. It was like up over eight hundred thousand, and these is this a congratulations? Elliot you're you're, the star of ruins internet today I kind of laughed at gets funny like that's what this is for it. It's there like everybody laughed and have a good time, but.

one thing I'm shocked? That is how personally people take like this voting, and I've said that for years like I don't players lose trophies. I think players, wind trophies, if all mark in the vast, not fine with me I mean he's had a phenomenal season, I'm just saying that your halibut would be my guy. Now someone actually made a really interesting point to me. They said that they actually felt that hello bucks. The case I made for Kobach is more of an envy, p kazan vesna case, which is fine. he's not wanting the envy p, but anyway, like people take these voting way too seriously. They take a way to personally, just because picking one guy over another guy doesn't mean you slagging or slamming the other guy. There's lots of players in this league no problem at all with team standing up for their players and putting up cases for their players. Alex guilt. Prisons are said this before Alice guild,

an error, Jaime's the media relations guy. He was corey parry the heart trophy the year that perry wanted he unleashed a campaign that he was there Carl rule man running bushes care it he white, that's what teams are supposed to do. I got no, problem with it? Kings kind of did the same with ansi corporate er yeah they done it before with there was hockey trophies. While I mean they had the the full court press to get him the sulky trophy anyhow back to nash here. What's the story of the season for the national predators you see sorrows and everybody else is it we need plan the kids more. What's a nickname, that's tommy novak has with the predators no vat. no vet skin and yeah- and he was you know outstanding- they started to you know they called up and and started the play, philip thomas. You know that worked, grades, we talked about

evangelist are a number of different times. You know the guys that are just they'll text. Home, hey, I got one more game here, got one more game: Kiefer sherwood as well played well played, there's a lot of different name- there. We saw this season for the national partners and almost one they know threw up the white flag. a tray deadline and said: okay, we surrender and turn this thing over two different players, started to see some success now. Is that fool school because that's de calorie time in the schedule or there's something for nashville to build on their someone. to me that a person's a lot of credit is Carl Taylor who's, the head coach of the Milwaukee admirals when David point, whose horse retiring this year. He always talked about home Orton Milwaukee was to the success of the predators and the end of the season proved it. I don't think it. De calories Jeff, because I think what you learn that you're young players can play

and your young players can be drivers on your team. Why? Does this mean for your roster next year, because it's good really difficult to put these young guys back in the box. You on wrap this christmas toy and it's a hugely popular christmas toy for your team. A bunch of these guys. Well, would everybody who was injured, comes back healthy next year, How are the rules? Gonna change like them? it's that some of these guys got this year with those guys out, like our you, going really be able to go backwards and say: well, you know everybody's healthy again, let's enforce books case. You do that What about everybody else right? The good news is, you know you. Ve got guys you can really play and guys who have bright futures the inch something that makes you say is what are you doing around them now like in bury trots and John heinz? Is white boards in their offices everybody's healthy,

their roster. Look using you. Hop six, move johannsen around last year that they caught some of his minutes in there and made him a more effective player. Ok, So now my question becomes: does that happened to anyone else like is anyone else, gonna kind to be moved around in terms of minutes? Please aid or rule. Look. No vaccine was playing fourteen thirty four coty glass was playing fourteen forty two parson when movie was obvious point fourteen twenty five thomas see: no fifteen thirty wine evangelist was sixteen thirty one. All these where their leading scores after the deadline here's here's the thing that I'm interested about like I I come with you. I think that you know if the minutes are coming from anywhere. It's going to be some of the higher priced help on the scene, whether is ryan Johansen, whether it's you know, matt the shane man

Goals are so hard. I'd want to keep still keep philip for his work on the ices as much as possible. I now it's just a shade over seventeen minutes per game. Here's my question here They have one of the best contracts in hockey in use ie sorrows. They have two more years of sorrows, said five million dollars. That's a great contract. For someone who is consistently in the vessel conversation. If your turn this thing over to the kids, though, you're looking to go through some type of rebuild with the predators. where's. The value in you see sorrows, the value keeping him because he keeps you in games, hang onto the hit. His here's only gets no I'm in low. You ask a stupid question, but you know what we are talking about. Our outrage deadline time, with you see sorrows and by the way, we should point out one thing

still don't know what bill has one wants to do with this team. Now there's a new general manager officially taking over, although very trots, is and has already been there for a while working with david boil. There is new ownership coming in and talked about new ownership with the pittsburgh penguins and fenway sports night goes back to last season. There's knew it is a new owner coming in with the national park. There's an, we still don't know what his plan is for this team yeah. I can't see them completely. Rebuilding I just don't see it but number two. If you thought you were gonna move him. You were gonna, move him at the deadlines Someone was gonna have to steal them with a deadline. I don't think you can do it anymore, guys to good he's too. Good if you're turning the team over the kids, they need somebody back. There can eliminate their mistakes like that's what sorrows eyes. Is those kids,

mistaken it doesn't end up in their net and there like war or else that's good. I hearing to you, there's a third team out there has been saying themselves man, without we could steal sorrows. We should have done it at the deadline. I don't even think you're going to be able to steal them. I think they'd made clear. If you were going to ask, come bigger don't come at all, but now you're done, you cannot do that. You just can ok from national. We go to buffalo the sabres I'll, tell you! What they mean it's a game. Eighty one member. How we talk to begin at his ease and about you know, what's the plan for the buffalo sabres, meaningful games and as many of them as possible, no more january flame out snowboard december flame oats, they made it Eighty one before I was over for the buffalo savers. I know it might thing for the fans and the owner and the players and all that, but that was really successful season for the buffalo sabres. I know you know the drought continues. Twelve seasons no play off, I get it up, but

now we other signs of life with flow sabres. But the potential for an excellent team is here as well I agree with that. I mean look, why didn't you ass with him. It really is no. What are they gonna doing goal The only thing is Levi looks really exciting. Dallying has made the turning into why everybody thought he was gonna, be you know we ve talked what power before he mean. When the rock you the year, but I think he's gonna, be long term pretends to the best rocky and in the class. thomson prove that that was no fluke, and you know this. Neighbours made the the right gamble, Jeff, Skinners found life and all the other guy this year, too, is mills that guy thing a guy on nor for a long time like I'm, not sure There were times they could even give him away and Now he looks like he really has recovered soul

It's an old line. There's too is to solve your problem. You do it yourself or trade them out and better solutions always to fix it yourself and why the things it looks like there is, I think the savers are taken the guys that may be worn and the right trajectory weren't doing so well and their fixing the problems themselves. I think next year is going to be fasting in that division. We ve gotten to use to the boston tea, toronto florida triumvirate while Ottawa powerful or common for them. Now they're coming and then infrared rings are on the horizon as well. I think we throw dylan cousins into that conversation as well. Cousins has arisen, he's been identified and compensated is as one of the key pillars going forward. Listen I'm! With you on on devon levi, and that creates a really interesting situation year, because what happens with who copeck lucan in and what

happens with era camry like give your already convinced devon levi is your guy next season. Is it a com the new tandem or If you have leave, I do not go out and try to look for a trend that minor to compliment him. because that's not lucan, and that comrade. Something here to give here. If you really believe that leave, I is your guy and you ve, seen enough in six games in law you internally have a reason to believe com rear lucan in can't do the job. I think you go levi unwanted two of them, you would go levi lucan and even though the both really young with do you not want my craig Anderson type there with them with a young that minor not necessarily jeff, because I think you bet on talent right. That's where I think a goal, code can handle things. That's why, think a veteran tv can handle things. I

talent first and foremost, and the sea We seem to have a really good hand along Ghali's right like leave as for real lucan into talented guy, the old they're, the ones who took a shot, a craig anderson when it look Greg anderson was dine and it worked out really well for them. Whoever ever made their golly decisions in their says, you can go levi lucan in I'm in the shot at that, I'm just making sure that I have a good. If situation is a goalie coach or a veterans around the team, like the puzzles of the world, just to make sure it can be handled if it needs to be handled, but I always bet on talent first, I'm with you. The got anything is fastening with buffalo. I dont think anybody wants a three goin monster We can have that for a full sees next season. So there's a decision in common. leave levi's your guy lucan in or comrade. Call me ones days on the island here. If again, Levi

your guy, you re mention collar posted there a couple of seconds ago and he's on contract from I started this one. I'm sandy comes back on a short term. Deal because a how they need someone like him around these young players. I gotta think that this Every want on back there ve been sometimes over the past couple years, were his voice has been behind the scenes very prominent in a very positive way, like four ample like go the two meeting in Dallas a year ago. Was human anderson? this year, I think no one there were thinking of sending a bully down like lucan and down when anderson and calmly with a team. I think opposed one of the guys went to management said we need lucan encamped here, like the three gall easier and it worked for them for a while? When you a player like that whose obviously got a big voice and he uses it for good. and the organization listens to em? I thank you all try to find ways now. So until I have

Reason to believe that our proposal is like wants to go somewhere else or doesn't want to be there, and I've got no reason to believe that I think you find a way washington capitals mentioned couple of moments ago, what's next for the cap, sure this off season. I still maintain that gonna be one of the most interesting teams this off season, whether it so what happens behind the bench weather, what happens with who compliments of action as it continues to chase down wing rescues, goal scoring record what happens, washington here Well, first of all, you John carlson's health the changes, the equation, as you know, I've made the job this year that karlsson cooper we win the norris because we learn a valuable he was when he was out of line up. I see there's going to be changes. They they made some deals. They moved some guys out. You know I do think they are going to really explore whose nets of one thing I didn't realize is because that's all changed rubber

taken this year is now a new poor guy and when you change representation, and you still got time left on your contract. That tells you that Sutton's going on right. So I expect them to try to find a way to move whose that's all was still got two years left eyes. you and the other one I think is going to be interesting, is is going to be manta who hasn't played now in a week and a bit in No I'm kind of wondering. What's, going on there got another year before, as you have failed, and I almost kind wondered like the conspiracy theory guy in me, kind of wonders or care. They kind of like bubble, robbing him to make sure he gets out of the end of the year. Ok, laviolette I think, a lot of us thought there was an extension coming. It kind of cooled off. If there is any kind of

build a ray, I would even say rebuild, but there's a kind of retool here, like one of the things that happened this year. Is that like some of their younger players? Haven't me the jump. I will say this latvia is not completely responsible for that. Like some players have struggled at hershey at times this year, so that question is not only been, is lovely. Let's fault for not using them, I think turn they ve kind of are these guys really ready. But eventually they have to be met. talk about what tree living before, like he's been a place. A long time does. He any change, love you it hasn't been in washington as long as true living, spinning calgary, but I think one of the equations there is How does love you? Let feel about what the direction of the team and where they might go. So I think that's a two pronged question is how the capitals feel

and how I love feels, but I do think the cow. rules are going to try to make some changes. I think whose that's might be one I think met might be another and in all like, I think they just this kind of year and say the old we? after breathing some new blood strong, was a really good piece. Their mulatto was a really good fit there. They could have of jensen, they didn't they signed em, they could have moved Van reinstate they didn't. They signed em they're taken their shot was sending, is absent we determine that Michael has to be on the roster next year. They want hendricks lapierre on the roster next year They have a lot of decisions to make a lot of fasting decisions to make the one thing Mc clellan is he's not afraid to meet them am really to see what they're gonna do. I I think the cat What does this summer There's gonna be a lotta news out of their put it that way. Ok

I need a couple of more teams here before I wrap up the podcast on this on this friday morning and we will get to some of these other teams later, but we will just your unfortunately we're a little tight with the authority of time wing down on us, so your favorite broadcasters, ok vancouver in ottawa, sir the nations capital and the ottawa senators decisions here on the horizon for the sands Do they start with Alex to break it no peer dorians said this week that he is gonna qualified to break it, whose doing nine million dollar contract merry christmas good deal for him yeah I mean I wouldn't expect dorie onto say anything different, but are really gone into next year without the brink it signed. The only way think you go into next year without the brink and signed If new ownership says man, the torpedoes were gone for the players. I can see that

If the remington group is successful here and ryan reynolds has two hands on the wheel, you think can I come in and say now we need to tamper expectations here we to take a a long view of the ottawa senators or as rhino come in and say yes, rock and roll time we're getting the klaus yeah. It's it's tough. As a new owner to come in and go backwards, re member tape and listen. It might be the smartest thing you remember when Terry pegula bought the buffalo sabres and right away, it was like listen. If I want money I'll I'll I'll I'll drill more oil wells were we're trying to get good hockey players in here to make the playoffs and now they signed young, know christian ehrhoff and they sign really lane or like outrageous deals was I go, spend spend spend, but the temptation is there. Look you just by a new car. You want to get it out on the highway as fast as possible. look, we ve all been around hockey long enough to know it's not an ideal situation. If he's not signed to a long term extension the thing about them, sanders is

They have so many good. Players and prospects that they're a team they can afford to move futures they did for checking. they absolutely did for children and that's a team. Can do that they have enough pieces and again they're not going to move backwards, gonna be a fascinating summer for them to debate its number one number two is: what's your goalie turn them are You goin, soul guard. Is that the way it's gonna work? listen the yard, the entering thing about the the ottawa senators as they have legit young stars Yes, and the young players that are making an impact breed could shock is a star full. Stop timid stood What is a star forced? we saw a lot. Had a jig sanderson this year, that guy is going to be a star full stop. One of the big questions for me is and we all crime.

our fingers. Can you get a phone all season Josh north. Can you get a healthy, Josh, norris newton that and they golly questions. A big one. Health is another huge one. For me, Look you look up and down that roster. You see a really good roster I look and I look at children there. Two guys I've been bothered by that a lot you just want them to stay healthy chickens case, it's it's proven to be a very big ask if you They feel if you can health with this team, your problem, worry about is set in any particular way. You can be I will finish up with the vancouver kinnock's. Here's some good news at least patterson hit

the century mark of a slot right, so I'd have to sit back to better stars and that's point number one. One hundred earliest patterson besser tucks it into the net, but then pulls the puck out himself and grabs it. Elias pettersen has won one hundred points this season and they can actually won nothing. Pettersen gets it in style, with a tic tac toe play. which eighty miller and I'm guessing that perhaps one of the first jobs may be the first job here is new deal for earliest patterson, Yes, I would tend to agree with that, this patterson he's gone. Two more years until free agency right, it's not just one, it's too. So the cannot have time here. I know this if it's another year deal with and who knows what they do. it's gonna be a gunshot there, no all market worries more about contracts than vancouver does like law?

all the noise, with horror that this year term might be close, like I remember when the martyr stuff was up like it was relentless bite. A no market talks, moral contracts in the canal market does so the number one reason you want to extend them long term is because he's a great player, the for two reason, you want to set up long term that everybody can be quiet like just. We don't have to hear this anymore yeah, that's not going to happen, elliot so it'll be business. He would what wants to do like he came on the planet, cast with us and and he simply said. I like it here and I want to be a cannot long term well love the interview, just like I love the one with sorrows because it was on the beach in florida, and I wish we could conduct more interviews. Like that, but ultimately we're going to get to a time where, okay, it's it's time to prove that and the for opportunity to prove that is going to be this off season. You look at talk

the players sooner really like playing forum. Did you say he is a guy who's carved out a spot there its number one joe is another guy who's carved out spot their talk it, like these guys and they like playing for him Her rosy looks like a really interesting player like that kid looks. Like he's a bit of a find. I do think the owner wants to buy out. Anyone saw too space, they're gonna, have to get creative and I still think they're gonna, look at another. center. One of them A kind of wonder about this off season is wrong. Coltan from tampa an eel. You just look at tapirs cap structure. and caloric guy. We don't know that there are going to be able to keep em like now. Ross coltan is making one point one to five million, and he's too

six years old and he's so is one year away from unrestricted free agency he's an hour affair with our brain. I'll business Z. This Tampa make room to keep em or art, I'm gonna be lining up to go, get them and be inexpensive and its it. It's not easy for banks for anyone else to do, but that's a guy who see being on a future. or he might actually be a little bit too old, for what vancouver looking because they seem to want someone is a bit younger but he's the kind of guy. HU. I kind of look at out there and say: look at you. Looking for a deaf centres, gonna be looking at that kind of a player. The others I want to mention about vancouver is, I do think there was a time this year, where it looked like damn call might get dealt. I think that's off the table, I think the way he's come back and played like there are still weatherford can do anything he's not afraid, but I

we get the sands anything that was thereabout dimple before that's over now. I think you stand and you know why you staying Jeff, because dog needs to go for a three be taxed at that very good when, rather for first took over, we heard a lot of talk about creating flexibility and we need cap space. We need room to manoeuvre and that sentiment continues to pop up. Do you think that still one of them, a key jobs here for alvin and weatherford, create some flexibility create some room to move the ass,

I do like I said- I think the orders and want to do by out. So it's gonna be a real challenge for them and how to do that and I have to get creative. But yes, I I do think that's why I've got away from it by god. Jonathan tease went on and take away in overtime. I thought kyle davidson was going to jump out of the black hawk management is to make the save on the chicago captain. That was the wildest thing about this ultimate night of hockey was watching Columbus, get two points chicago get one and Anna mine end up with the best odds for conor, but dark.

so elliot. The the update on Gabriel and a score of the colorado avalanche is not good for the team captain, the knee injury. He will not be available for the playoffs. Your wisely Jeff, my first reaction landscape is it's too bad. It's too bad we'll get a chance to play this year. You know this one thing, I think about. just the enormous respect that I, for him that he was able to be a critical part of a stanley cup champion a year ago, injury that would cost them a full season, something people think athletes shouldn't do this like to tell other people what to do. I don't like people telling me what to do good like telling other people what to do we all decide in life what's important to us and if you spent your whole life is a hockey player a guy who's. holding towards where Gabriel landscapes building toward of course, do what he did last year and it

based on that level, I'm really happy for him that he got to celebrate by winning the cup. I hope, recovers. Well- and I looked were to seeing him back soon, Think anyone's hugely surprised by this is as we talk last week, and we talked earlier in the week on the podcast Jeff. No. There were rumours that he wasn't gonna play last year and I was really care. with my language last when saying on hockey. He wasn't gonna play the wrath of the regular season. People said well, you said: when he's I play in the playoffs, and I thought that was better choice than if, but there's question that there were some people who thought that this could happen. It's too bad, All you do. Is you wish him the best in his recovery its huge swing in the stanley cup ploughs, not having landis there. It's hard enough to repeat. it's gotta be more challenging for the avalanche. Now only a fool- would count them out

You know how you earlier this week on the radio show. I had someone tweed me about jonathan taves and the chicago blackhawks, essentially taves being the last man standing from this, mostly and glory period? Any said the captain went down with the ship, which is rather appropriate thursday

jargon takes place his last game in a black box. You why clocks are on the ice right now, and china maintains its a solar. Now, a firm aground above one hot breath or germ arose with partners in number nine. Three Jonathan decided, you alone states united centre. How Annabelle Wilson, ivy scoring your final goal as it Chicago have a black. How can one of the best fans in the way

well? I mean I look back on my career and I've been so It's like a fairy, mrs, is the perfect ending here in Chicago. I am alarmed by the parson radio. Some amazing people see maisie fires and I want to work hard to get back into line up, to show the fans. My appreciation just the way you guys turned out you stuck with our team the last few years. The shows we got the best fans in the world and it has been worth every sacrifice. Isn't the you're? Obviously I thought it was the right way for the blackhawks to handle it to announce in advance so that if anybody wanted to but the game and cheer for taves They would have the opportunity during the day to do it.

we're too. I was a little bit surprised that it came up. In the sense of it was discussed this week in seattle and tears was told that. we weren't going to be resigning him like, I think, a lot of ways. The organization had decided that this was going to be the path for probably about a year now. Look like, I think Patrick kane would have come back if he could, but I think he saw that path was closed and that's why you eventually went to the rangers. I'm taves felt the same way or kind of was? It was indicated to him. It was gonna, be the same, but I think sometimes that's a reminder that maybe someone says something to you a year ago or last summer and you home, they're going to change their mind or you're like yeah. Things go differently plans, don't always work. What's my grandmother's line, you plan, god laughs, maybe taves hope that the

lack ox would change their mind and finally, last week in seattle they reiterated no. This is gonna be the case. I think a lot of bill, had really thought that that was where this was gonna go out Lastly, maybe you just check for one more time as for today's future to me it's a who's interested and be how he feels I'm. Sure he would want to go anywhere. I'm sure there's situations that appeal to him more than others. He's? Gotta see who's out there. You know, but the the thing is, you know his body has been really hammered by a lot of things. There's the group of the national hockey league in always battle long coal varies all battle, not of a disease. You know it's a lie. Anyone who's been through those kinds of things knows what it can take out of you when he this time this year around the trade deadline, because he was battling, something you know

I heard it really took a lot out of him. It really knocked him out of hockey shape and were people who felt at that time. He wouldn't even be able to come back this year, so I think it says a lot about teams, commitment that he was able to get back to work. play this season because I think he abi We wanted This was it a final chance to say good, bye and everybody gets that on thursday night, but I internally and around the team people kind of thought that this was gonna, be what happened that he was gonna play out. The year, but like king, the blackhawks war, going to resign them YAP. No, just a quick note unfairly in a really nice touch on thursday night in a sort of like the inverse lap. Instead, a player getting the sole up for their first game, just in braun, therefore, his last one and also his father being able to be on the bench in iraq

the tough season for philadelphia. I thought that was a really great moment. Marshall didn't really hit me until probably sport using smart incur my wife and parents, my kids or anything written for me throughout my career, helped me out when I was young, my wife, being there being on the road taking care of the kids. I was there for me sport,

I'd like to see all the guys every guy I played list, it's been absolute on it and you know it's a tough day, but you know it was a great. When did you find out? They just told me before the boys were all arrested here. I forget, I'm just going to do it and he went out there, and that was great. Those are the memories you all got to hammer down on a bench with honor that was, you know, has been there for there. For me, my whole career and to be behind the bench for the last game was awesome. Surprise, oh yeah. He didn't know, of course, has told them for the period. It was awesome that they love to do that. You know the flyers have been great to me, I'm thinking enough, for you know everything that you know. If you need something we're, always there Believe Phil he's gonna be interviewing anyone for the gm job. We all believe that that's Daniel breyer's job- and I think that's the way it's going to be I'm

we curious about the president's job? No one name were hearing a little bit about is re shiro. I dont think that would surprise anybody It's really interesting in philadelphia. I think there's there's all The talk about You know moving on and not necessarily be so connected to the past, but what was one of the things the fires were really criticized for couple years ago was not probably recognising ed snyder and the other night in their home game. They acknowledge the anniversary of his death. That's really important! You know, Shiro has obvious connections to the flyers. He makes sense as the kind of person you want there to be the boy for between bree air and the higher levels of ownership and management No, I just wonder if is this search goes on we're going to hear his name more and more

I don't know, there's much too, that name in that market place for that team. Note nothing comes to mind at all: no Shiro philadelphia, nope, no, nothing! Nothing! Really there. While you know like nicholas, was the phrase the fog was the best, ok great taken us out today, an artist from new york city. You takes on a classic sound mixing, blues soul and a new take on folk.

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