Ezra and Matt on the deep roots (or not) of the lockdown debate.

Resources:

"Experts’ 7 best ideas on how to beat Covid-19 and save the economy" by Matthew Yglesias, Vox

"This drawing explains a surprising amount about your political views" by Matthew Yglesias, Vox

"America’s coronavirus testing numbers are really improving — finally" by German Lopez

"The Density Divide" by Will Wilkinson, Niskanen Center

"Trump Rewrites the Book on Emergencies" by Christopher DeMuth, WSJ

"Without More Tests, America Can’t Reopen" by Ezekiel J. Emanuel &Paul M. Romer

Books referenced:

Prius or Pickup? by Jonathan Weiler & Marc Hetherington

Open versus Closed by Christopher M. Federico, Howard G. Lavine, & Christopher D. Johnston

Hosts:

Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias), Senior correspondent, Vox

Ezra Klein (@ezraklein), Editor-at-large, Vox

Credits:

Jeff Geld, (@jeff_geld), Editor and Producer

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