On February 17, 2009, 22 year old Laura Nimbach went missing. According to reports, Laura’s last interaction was with a police officer in St. Petersburg, FL. Laura allegedly told the officer that she had been at a domestic violence shelter the previous day, but had left for unknown reasons. Laura was in the midst of leaving a highly abusive relationship and was currently without a permanent place to stay. She had been bouncing around from friends homes to shelters. After this interaction Laura Nimbach told the officer she would make her way to another shelter, but after they parted ways Laura was never seen or heard from again. In the days following her disappearance, Laura was due to make an appearance in court to testify against her abuser, but she never showed up.
If you have any information as to the whereabouts of Laura Nimbach please call the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office 727-582-6333
You can follow Laura's case on social media at What happened to Laura Nimbach.
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This all happen very fast.
We had a normal sister. You know that
we're going to college and hotter stuff together and then the next thing we know I mean
Ah, what happened within a year your whole life? Just we were just die. Then she was
for that we were in colorado, so we only heard what she was telling you know read in it being any of it
get control of all of that was super hard being you know me and my older sister have a kid we didn't know she was going to just be gone. You know she wanted
He sobering. She was trying to be sober and she were you ask any of her friends. Her whole life. She had her life together,
the last tour was february, thirteen and she was at a bus, stop can't remember where she was going and it was weird and it's like. I knew him-
inventively the next day that something was wrong or the day after and more so now, because I know you know if you look back and you don't remember every conversation you have with a person, but I remember that conversation, so I started trying to call all of the great my mom, my sister and Amanda. We all agreed something was wrong for her. She wasn't talking to anybody. It was one of those things recalling you call. You call her cell phone, it just fill that void now and then, and then that was only about a day and a half, probably before that was all done and over with no way to get a hold of her and recall, hospitals, shelters, monthly information, and we tried all that and I started calling the police within days. Maybe you know twenty four to thirty six hours max and they wouldn't do anything at all and she's, an adult she's not really resident you're drug addict and trying to get through to these people that that does not define her. You know she's somebody's daughter, somebody's sister and all of those things she was the person. She is a person on February, seventeenth, two thousand and nine twenty two year old Lauren embark went missing according to reports, laura's last interaction was with a police officer. He found her sleeping behind a building near memorial park cemetery, which is located on forty ninth street in ST petersburg florida. When the officer came upon her, he informed her about local homeless shelters that she could go to lara allegedly told the officer that she had been at a shelter the previous day, but had left for unknown reasons. Laura was in the midst of leaving a highly abusive relationship and was currently without a permanent place to stay
She had been bouncing around from friends homes to shelters after this interaction, warning bach told officer that shoemaker way to another shelter
but after they parted ways, laura was never seen or heard from again for about a year prior to her disappearance, Laura had struggled with an opium waited addiction. When she went missing, it appeared that officials did not take the famous concerns seriously. Laura was over the age of eighteen and ass. We ve heard time and time again if an adult person wants to disappear, they can. However, this was not the case for laura
spite her grappling with a tough addiction. She was close with her family and friends.
She was also trying to turn her life around
She was an intelligent woman who dreamed of becoming a nurse
She wanted to make something of herself and she had the willpower to do it,
in the days following her disappearance. Laura was due to make an appearance in court to testify against her abuser, but she never showed up
So what happened to laura on February, seventeenth, two thousand and nine: did she willingly walk away from the life she knew or was she met with a darker fate, I'm marissa and from wondering this is episode. One hundred and sixty three of the vanished loren inbox story.
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Laura was no stranger to struggle. Growing
the young girl was the product of two people who had their own slew of issues.
prevented them from being the support of parents that they could have been
her father had a gambling addiction and her mother lives with mental illness.
To get a better understanding of who laura was? We need to go back to the beginning of her life long?
was born in Michigan.
She lived there with her mother and two older sisters until she was five years old there
laura's father, fought for custody of the young girl and eventually succeeded. Despite
fact that they no longer lived under the same roof, laura kept in touch with her family.
The sisters would constantly call one another and spend weekends together until both of laura's older sisters move to another state.
For this episode, we had the opportunity to speak with laura sisters, marilyn and renee
here's maryland speaking about laura when they were children after laura moved in with her father and the events leading up to her disappearance.
We saw her and the weekends and ass she got older. She I called her. She called us
Every day, almost an talked she
raised in a private school
She really really had a lot going for her. She was in college and she had worked at a very young age and saved up a lot of money. They unmoved
On the forty four
some college,
the college in michigan and then she moved down to florida with some friends he moved back and forth afforded a couple times.
Spend a long time. I can't really remember all the details
So she had savings account car night apartment, whipping up the beach, a really nice life.
Marylin went on to explain that at some point, laura told her family that she had gotten into a car accident and the
after it prescribed her pain medication which she unfortunately got addicted to shape.
And do a car accident and the doktor.
I like actually com
she got her? Get that through it and
and went down really fast her whole
Beings account she used. I she went to jail for the first time in her life.
She came clean to us and told us that she had a problem. You know
lived in a different state, so it was really hard to know you know because she would just collar, though we need
for changing, but we didn't know how bad
So we went out there and we got her into a rehab she'd be tilbury.
I'll. A back down to Florida
She was an abusive relationship with a man named Sean. We are here and he beat the court
out of her almost killed her
she went into the house, but all with a rethink.
Captured long bankruptcy
in problem.
an overdose when he beat her up
She got out of the hospital and she had a court take to testify against
I believe it was the very next day or the day after her disappearance,
or the day yeah, the very next day after she disappeared. She was supposed to be in court, testifying against tat the cop stopped her
on the side of the road she said she was going to a shelter. I dont
I believe that I think she was growing her boyfriend's house, but they were split up
she's. Never been seen said, rob
a law, as other sister had similar things to say in regards to laura as a young woman growing up and what she remembers about. The events at transpire before laura went missing.
Got all a's and b's. She played volleyball softball. She loved horses
he had upon a friend. She went through catholic school, I'm at a point in high school. I should the nanny for the same family, her entire high school career
I believe laura even paid for her schooling to get herself through catholic high school, because she her better gambling addiction,
and showing the same the same school. Now she bought her own car in high school graduated. She started school to be a nurse at wayne state in Detroit and then moved to florida show is going to go to florida and she now
trust and whenever we were all really close and at some point
kind of draft are a lot of it.
and I didn't think too much of it
she's, twenty one, you know or whatnot twenty two obvious
where she has got her
my god, on she's luna, with each apparent but with a frenchman school, but we always taxes
about a lot too.
Mountain visit, a lot. She might three
kids godmother
in two thousand and eight,
She called and said she. You know that they can this.
held and she was scared and she wanted help.
and laura was never late. She would
The party girl in school. She was, she was the good girl. She didn't date boys because she wanted to get through school and keep focus and
she carried you no one should occur. Then I wasted.
He had gotten the correct that I don't know six months,
Prior to that end, in a whisper
I actually can whatever execute onan should
We trust the man mega number customer
gave her something stronger. I would think
there and nine shoes. That was essentially what
She was an then
but it developed into a problem. She
back michigan, bigger rehab, arthur dad
and that girl amanda her friends was helping out with that. As far as giving, I think, giving her a place to stay and just talking to her and whatnot she left rehab,
Since then we have it at last line. Couple weeks to
and she's state of rebecca florida
the fading light shone, wheeler guy retard
here and there, but she was.
Things over the day before things
in two thousand. I got a phone call.
Three in the morning that shit oh shoot in the hospital she's in a coma she had overdose. I was told that she attempted
site in that kind of what I had
Look I'm the. I can't remember you know, I don't know
his visit and I started feeling that was so. I will out,
will these later and went down to florida with her to be with her the dock.
At the time and since she had
I can play organ failure and the other she had more
the drugs on their system that they
I miss you
up and at it again within days,
short amount of time Laura actually got in.
Try if she's messed up anything.
pretty bad around whatever shoes on, and she had enough. You seen pictures of her, but
quite beautiful it published, lost a ton and she got arrested once, but she was violent with the police. Officers kicked his window up, like
crazy, ve lost awry,
It appears as though once laura got addicted to oxy cotton. Her behaviour and mentality, drastically shifted,
Rene previously mentioned laura's friend, amanda,
Amanda and laura had been friends since they went to high school together back in michigan,
Amanda family had often taken more n and she
spend holidays with them, because laura's father was not very present.
Amandas family became like family to laura,
my family was lit. The stable family in her life.
she didn't have, even though she was very close with her sister. She didn't have any kind of people. People here thou,
she would say you know at my mom's house, when we were still in high school together if she needed to use the computer or go to the library or whatever by mom or I we would go, get her and she'd become over
She would go to christmas and holidays but thought to my family's house. So I really just expected to be there for my family,
her dad is a gambling arabic.
leave her home for days at a time with no transportation or no ability to soften he had put
security and so in turn, or I got social security no cause she was the child by he would still
her by
her she never.
I tampon she said a word
twelve,
goodbye tampons.
He wouldn't even by a wire,
Amanda had moved to florida before Laura
having a friend to lean on while making a big move to a different state made the transition that much easier,
in january, two thousand and five.
The florida and somebody
happen where her dad kicker out of the house. Then she ended up
living me. My mom sounds for a while with my mom when I
and even there
though he learns legacy stared guinea, you know,
I don't exactly know what year war down
I bet it dates, but
so I ve been blurred. N, o five and laura were
when I think of the spring high. Maybe the was
That relationship and
Eventually, she ended up moving down because she was afraid of neck
She had to get a broken cheekbone,
Why would you like slander, hadn't, the toilet? It was terrible, is very physically abuse of an insult
see laughed
mitch again and she moved down there with us with me and my roommate in clear
therefore, that you lied to me
for a while, you know it
she's always worked in restaurants. Setting at so laura
Thus for a while shoes, you got your going to war.
I'm actually she went away in feed for an earth seen after her
school guided than to his doing really good. When she got.
florida literally disk.
Jeanne dire, because that was the time when earthy programmes had like you're too long waiting lists
especially ass. She wasn't a in for
way to get your residency for school. It takes long time and you have to pay taxes. You have to have all kinds of documentation if you're under the age of twenty four, which we were
The belgian early discouraged by bad and jane it I'm going to the checking out this ultra sound tap, he's gone
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We asked amanda if she had any idea as to when laura started down a spiral of addiction versus just using drugs for recreation.
I think she always dabbled in it. She expand.
And said we for part
their intent grade
that she can t.
into experiment, pussy
trauma
a trauma blake domestic violence and working
in restaurants, where people you know
John there, while people use loaded.
there and it's pretty socially
fact of all, and I think that now
having
guidance. People love her, but I think that, because you
didn't have somebody who she had
with her, and I could see what
is actually going on. It's not just listen to what she said. You know what I mean
never let it buddy people the collar out on her staff, though I think that
oh and like help her comprise hey. Maybe
you're, getting men to bar or whatever.
Eventually amanda notice that laura's behaviour was changing.
The time she wasn't sure what was going on, but eventually she figured out that this had to do with substance abuse
She knew that once she got to florida that laura had begun experimenting with other things, but
didn't realize that it was becoming an addiction around
I'm the time acting kind of erratic and word someday be fear
crabby. For no reason she didn't.
weekly admit that she was using an. I didn't know that, but in retrospect she would definitely you the on going into a draw up. Proudly, you know
the war, though, is really funny so funny
she's really kind.
I was curious to know when the last time amanda saw laura and it turn.
out the last time the pair were together. Amanda
attempting to get help for laura.
I realise what
going on air
they talk to her about it. She told her assistance that she would at that point, and at that point I think she was moving about.
had the ark these per day, a lot of opiates and just really taxi
very erratic
like very erratic, so
We talked about it. She told her sisters, I help
Figure out where he can go to
we have here
two, I think, was called harbour oak and hudson florida variety tax.
So I only know what she said and she said she was revealed till we after three days. I don't know that,
necessarily if she laughed air, may buy it.
by bomb found a way for her to go a clinic for her to get the box said, rob in
livonia fishing
you come here, she grew
You wanted to stay with on whatever
to figure out the wrath later she said she wanted to go. You know she wanted to stop using decay,
appear. We draw bob
saw her mom on the way I was pretty nice
and we got here a letter, you
My car. She went to her dad how
we found out later that she had taken from medicine, then had a warning label on it that had you might get busy.
Whatever you. So she thought that I could
something that would be like
our colleague or something but
the actual right egg and
so she was like acting
You crazy, like I saw tat, she was just being.
crazy, like a fire fighting,
kinda thing
So at that point my mom was like you can't be here laura. I love you, but you cannot be here because
It's too much!
so she went to her dad's house. She stayed there for two days. She stole
about thousand dollars for a mom and she took up
home.
florida where a plane
some ways of getting home, so that was glad
families are fine.
The towards the end of our conversation with amanda. We asked her what she thinks happened to laura
Over time, many theories have been tossed around about what may happen to her. Somebody
that she's no longer with us. Others thing she was trafficked and something the police are involved, because they were the last to see her or maybe she walked away from everyone. She knew because she was ashamed of the path she had gone down
it could be anything who knows.
She was you, they met a quantity that, with very high months prior
see you went into this tale spread and now-
was when she was still functioning mostly responsible at all, but all once again
fully into the wife who doubt
an hughes erratic into with violent. She could be violet. You know she was always violent, but you to do is absolutely bear
so she could again not fight. He put it
I shall move on net, so sad,
it's not uncommon to share more information about your life with your closest friends instead of your family laura.
streamline close to her sisters, but there was also a physical distance that they had between them from an early age and some things you just don't want to tell your family about when
spoke with Marilyn. We enquired about laura's drug use and what laura had told her about it.
It's pretty private when it came to the addiction, but basically
she switched from using what the doctor gave her to drug dealer
In short, we are her. My friend was a drug dealer,
And I know that for sure got a lot of our drugs swenson
campaign twice. She was very much
while and said I never
coming. I was
taking them and then the next thing she said she knew she was snorting them breaking.
I'm up and supporting them
Some of my family suffers from addiction, but it didn't mean
She wasn't person back there.
addiction with a look down on a little more than a gay gave a little more accepting in today's society
This all happen very fast
We had a normal sister by
we're going to college and had our stuff together and then the next thing we know I mean
ah, what really happened within a year show her whole life. Just we were just die, then I noticed
It happened and she was in florida and we were in colorado. So we only heard what she was telling us. You know reading it seeing any of it.
And they get control of all of was super hard. Being you know me, my older sister had yet again
reading. Now she was going to just be gone.
you know she wanted
he saw and she was trying to be sober and she was
You ask any of her friends, her whole life. She had her life together.
Rene mentioned earlier, that laura had overdosed and things were not looking good for her, but laura was able to rebound from that
after that happened. Her family made a trip to florida, the day
Set renee spent with laura would end up being the last moments she got to spend with her little sister,
the things that laura shared with renee were heartbreaking,
ten years later, renee still cherishes those final moments they spent together.
We went down there and the story I was given by laura, but she told me was that the boy from beat the crap
Never shown wheeler with like beating her back to the point,
outside in front of people that they called the cops
Smash your head into the sidewalk there.
Laughed at him and she took his duffel bag home drugs, the lunchroom, maybe it
essential that she was trying to kill herself, but whatever it was under way of dealing with
Laura was such a good kid and didn't.
Mass at the hall fear with her. I was always when she got herself in this bit of trouble with this shit
I associated it with it. You know like you, should be able to come back.
She was always so
hard on yourself and had summoned application. The resolve everything has to be perfect,
all the time, and so it's not unreal
for me to believe that she would have tried to kill her some poor guy being her up literally because she would not want people to know that
plus, you have been in their right mind a shoe doing that stir them up in
HU. I went down there and he sent last five wonderful
together for peace weeping. Second,
emotional and learning a lot and talking a lot about why and what
so about well,
november, so he packed her up. Hackler, shorter
I support over the issue of the gatt
your mom looking back at the time.
sudan as well, but I found there and have your up to a better.
I give my mom. We talked every day and she was sober for those three months.
She went back the florida she had court or their domestic violence
and she went down there and sooner or later on earth day by
for some reason that wasn't really huge concern. She he should plan are causing lived down there shall we say with before, and she did go see my cousin.
an issue like one, the famous woman shelter, and so
she had a job or one that I never get the feeling that she was going to stay there. I know she wanted to go to court and about stuff figured out with him and her own staff
bond. So should the figure out her answer,
interesting. She didn't tell us in those five days that I spent with her. You know she she always wanted to feel like she could stand on her own. That's the thing like the car accident thing is, I don't want to burden anybody
in europe, however, fear my which I never knew
and her father in our mother, he was so toxic to outlaw, isn't higher.
Why and
they never stopped attacking each other.
verbally and
through laura and two it matched with her so bad. She didn't.
she didn't feel like she belonged anywhere. Everybody was focused.
Other parent instead of her.
She just kind of learned survive in
be what everybody expected early
we I'm so grateful for that time was so heart rending.
two to sit there and just
learn how how much she suffered. You know we never knew and
your dad, the gambling reckoning, never there and
didn't know anything about raising a child, and I don't think so
on the way I like she didn't eaten whatever other. That might be the case to which were in the glass on the way that you did not have nurture her and anyway she's
in spanish enough time as much time as come when you with her mom,
and then you know when it was. He never stopped bad hockey. My mom and my mom probably never stop bad talking him
she lived according to where everybody out expected and never felt
love, but you would have never known. She has had a shit so together all the time I could see her
really getting going in.
The something way over her head in any capacity gay feet. So
I do not want her to be defined by us, but it in
in a way it made her whose purpose it was. You know, and you don't know the deaf people will go to,
that in its further red, whom you don't have any answers,
although I dont want label her, it's in there
It is part of what it is
there is in others a million thoughts like out. You are all aware,
So my mom was convinced for a long time that the police were involved, and I
sometimes. I think that as well, that some
happen they screwed up, so they cover
something up short again
why there adamant about not looking for her in a city that big with
that many homeless in
people enjoy god by now
the industry really bothered me and we ve been
contact with them
According to law as family, she spoke with them constantly, given the
that they lived in different states. I was curious to find out when they notice that laura was missing repacked every day and since then
however, and shoes.
Doing well. Considering
if I had your was have you any thirteen will show that a bus stop
with weird it's like like, I knew instinctively,
back then something is wrong or the day after
more some now because I know you know if you look back in you, don't remember every conversation. You have a person, but I remember that conversation oliver.
Read my mom. My sister
and a man that we all agree that something was wrong for her. She would have hacking anybody. There is one other thing:
we call on you call you call her cell phone and then it is still that the waste enough about
I was only about a day and a half, probably for that. Without bending over with,
not no way to get a hold of her and we called hospitals and become a shop or something
information
We tried all that and I started calling the police within days, maybe twenty four to thirty six hours,
and they wouldn't you
thing at all. She than a dog
that really resident here, a shilling record gigantic,
and trying to get through to the people that.
did not find her, you know she's somebody's daughter
somebody's sister and all of those things you the person. He is the person or persons
they had a very short lived regulation that by fighting
not the finer got. Nowhere be super they're. Here,
What for her and he refused to take him monsieur persons report, so
he was looking for six weeks
they filed an official missing persons report on her isolated call the fbi
get them the file and, as a report told me and a they called the palace county
police and they dislike cooperative, helpful or nice. Even to us that, like us,
unless fight to try to get them
help at all, but
Apparently she was seen twice by the police
last time she was seen alive was after we talked to her.
But it was by them an times you there
listen with sean wheeler in his car by a police officer. This was just days before his court case for domestic violence,
answer for assault and then she was in february,
and sleeping behind a building
so that was kind of their answer, while she homeless. So you know
track the homeless people here and that's that by
it's not that hard to counter fashion. Something was wrong.
Filters like you make phone calls, and why did she leave the shop that she was staying and was staying in a women's shelter to begin with, so there's all the
the thing they wouldn't answer.
Asking them in order got shot at a record in gold,
talk him and all they have thing. It is not about design boxes. I love
it seems suspicious that laura was seen was shown wheeler before she went missing. She was seen at a later time without him, but this man was already known to be violent against her. Could he have somehow been involved in her disappearance? I wonder
how closely the police looked at him. In regard to this case,.
according to renee, after asking countless times, officials finally looked into sean wheeler.
Finally, they say that they want
how can an
tat was the answer. He didn't have any explanation when he's. That was that we did
You can't. I know money after going out there.
We meaning mice
sure am I, in a man and if russia
one could help you know did searched for her.
we share Amanda really played a part,
and allow this have fires made and distributed there,
by people, and we had a facebook, a
the presidents I enough, where you know. Obviously there is no media.
Average a for media covers on her being nothing but
we had very sick with fairly new, then in know this february
she saw the main martian two of nine may that
but we had news stories covering.
Story of laura based on
how much based but coverage we had.
Now how many shares or what not people
strangers were helping or passing out fires imposing fires, and we would get a few random phone calls here and there that she was seen
tat city in your water or saint key. Yes,
No one said they fire at the bus far enough to suffer.
What would happen anywhere? We weren't there to follow up and
They ever did they would get these tapster or retell
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it. Addiction and drug abuse of that nature is considered an epidemic
according to the national institute on drug abuse between twenty one and twenty nine percent of individuals prescribed in opium for chronic pain, abuse them too.
Better understanding of opium eight addiction. We contacted an opium expert mark parana by members.
Parental. I services.
president of the american association for that
What about the other dependents and
the association that has
they state chapters in the country and weapons
over one thousand of the outpatient of teepees,
founded the organization and nineteen eighty four, predominantly in the eighties, seventies and eighties. It was driven
by heroin not prescribe.
I'll, be added
at a time
you had, let's say at what was
the third, a third, a third, a third white, a third latino authority,
forget american. Now
When you talk about the patient population in the opium,
been programmes, its I'd, say: seventy five percent white and then you
this sort of balance and latino and african american thee
I'm in difference changed.
Clearly in the nineteen nineties middle,
ninety nine, these
a greater number of patients were being admitted with
predominant addiction to
description opiates and
We began to study in two thousand five, which continues
at the present time for about
ten thousand patients, completing surveys,
appointed mission. So we ve learned.
great deal about this, and now you do
see changes and drug use a characteristics,
but I would say the profound switch really gets it around.
two thousand to two thousand five and the
who dominate factors which were captured in the study. The first is that
about forty five percent of new pay.
Two admissions indicate that
They are now addicted to prescribe
in I'll, be what
unique
of that group of that forty five percent? Thirty percent
were indicating that they were injecting prescription opiate. We captured
first trend data about two thousand ten,
really was the canary and the mind shaft
wanted to know how and why opiates of any kind have the effect that they do on people and if addiction is an immediate occurrence when taking such a drug
Typically heroin gets into the brain at a much faster pace and oxy cottonwood or an auction,
related product
especially if you injected fuel jacked heroin. It gets to the bridge
within ten seconds, and then
but produces typically, the narcotize in effect,
especially for opiate, naive people, it
It can describe it almost as, if would be like us.
the collage hammer blow to the brain. It said
powerful and it gets to the brain very quickly
central and car fentanyl even more of a threat. It has
greater power- it is more concentrated, even come.
Where to
two heroin to spend it
as an example car sentence,
I have
called like a morphine equivalency rate.
The equation: the ratio used is its fifty times more powerful than heroin
Not everyone who takes us is he's gonna become either depended on them or addicted to them that
fallacy, so
Ultimately, there are a number of elements. One element is
how long you,
be taken. We hope you now. If you are taking,
I hope you either even prescribed by a physician through legitimate medical means,
depending on the opium its power. The freedom
see with daily use.
Its use over time. Let's say thirty day
sixty days, you gotta,
dependent so not objected but depended.
meeting your physically
needing that medication. Dependence is easily described as if you
this continued the medication abruptly. You will feel some withdrawal effect
again the at the effect of the withdrawal.
entirely dependent on what the opiate is, how much
we're taking per day and what was
a prolonged period of time. You will feel something now again
depends on the individual. You will feel either irritation
you will feel jacket
the sounding for several days.
progressive signs of withdrawal could be muscle. Cramping, nausea, throwing up headaches, chills
That dependency, producing what makes the lee
from dependence to addiction,
his behavior, you stop
now craving bore
increasing your use markedly
you're eye if you're legitimately getting it through physician prescriptions, you're, seeing more physicians until that
it is up to you with your. If the doctors
again on the prescription, drugs monitoring data base, but
Ultimately, the addiction is drug seeking behavior, you stop
going to work, it started to affect your life people.
we're close to you around you
noticing there's a difference in and behaviour and attitude you take
taking an increasing amount of drug and also there is a real give away. When you go for independence to addiction, you choose
the root of transmission. Let's say you taking for oxy cotton,
day. Well, then, you start increasing as you're going to six seven eight.
that's not doing it. So you,
a crushing it or you
snorting it for years,
Ok, get
and then finally, the most efficient way to get a drug in the system is through intravenous use that
generally, the trajectory as you go from dependence to addiction,
that's cycle of drug use that
Frequency,
changing of the route of administration and of course,
That's why you're you're becoming dysfunctional, that is it
he'll, distinct difference between dependence and addiction. When you get to them
of addiction, you're not really functioning europe here, you're chasing that drug
you'll do whatever you have to do dependence
maybe you're going back to your doktor addiction. Is your breath
into the pharmacy you
steel you'll do whatever it is to procure that truck marking.
Great comparison on how becoming addicted is a gradual process and not something that happens instantaneously
get away to look at this as alcohol use. It have
gradually. This is not an instant process, so
you have more people or alcohol dependent than alcoholic, then are opiate addicted
to be clear in this country, even with this epidemic answer
You could ask the same question of how come a person is drinking increasing amounts, but then
recognizing they have a problem. So you
into the area. I am coping, I'm adapting!
I'm really! Ok, I don't have a problem is not the case, but you do
and with these subjective experience of
I'm not realistically gonna. Take a look at what I am doing is
my use or abuse of alcohol or a drug
my life,
So the answer can be like the whole issue of well you're, a functioning alcoholic it going to work. You take
care of things you're not missing day you're, not disrupting family events, but you
drinking more that you should be
you can say. Sometimes you get in,
objective laughed ass. You go to your doctor, you get an annual physical and liver enzymes are elevated, something
is showing physically. Although there is no outward behavioral sign
something is wrong, so the air
The question is people are adapting were very good at
coming up with lots of complex rationalizations, just to be clear,
I'm not saying there equivalent but sick
smoking is a good example.
Everyone knows by now that smoking, a cigarette is
dangerous to your health,
question about everybody else, and the government
put clear markings on all
cigarette tat. Still, people go and smoke
like a cigarette today, some of them
justly aware they are engaged
and behaviour that
clearly detrimental to their health. It doesn't stop likely
alcoholic who says you know what I'm doing: ok, yeah
in more than I should, but it's I'm still ok the same applied
somebody who's got crossing from dependence on.
Besides to addiction, I'm ok,
only what something really really
Vital happens, I was spent
Eighteen years might
professional life working in a method of treatment programme in new york city, always
the admission issues would be especially for do admissions
I just got arrested. I don't want to go through that again. It's like
credible. Wake up call- and I just spent forty
eight hours at a jail cell going through withdraw, I can't do that or I'm frightened.
I want to get hepatitis and I wanna get hiv. I can't put my
often that danger or
my friend
who is using drugs with me died
I don't want to die, or my wife
just through me out of the house, but my pet
through me out of the house. Why just got
from my job. In other words, the shocking.
Peace is when external reality comes in and says whether
you think you ve got a problem or not illusion,
Your job you're, losing your relationship
alienated your family. You ve crossed
the threshold in
criminal matters. These are factors that typically motivate the pace.
to enter treatment and to recognise they have a serious problem.
Network brought up is the cdc guidelines for pay management and that
These guidelines are often not followed.
laura had said she became addicted after being prescribed medication following an accident people
from all different backgrounds, have found themselves in similar situations after being prescribed medication following an accident, injury or surgery,
Please see dc guidelines for paying
management is
I, the most recent one that cut out and their guidelines they're sort of recommendations.
Question is how many physicians core practicing
prescribing how many are aware of those guidelines, how many have actually read them, digested them and follow them,
separate question and I'll. Take it
whence come up with an analysis of that at this time, but
We guidelines were probable, gated in
and that a lot of physicians were not aware of what they were
Really doing and that something else it, though,
aid management specialist by the name of howard height
smart and he's been around a long time and
here. He said an interesting thing to me many years ago, which is it takes a physician
two minutes to rewrite a new prescription
refill a prescription it takes,
twenty minutes- to explain to the patient. Why he's not it began
the time management issue for the practitioner,
the point I am making is there.
the reason this is so complex.
Because you have a lot of moving parts, the pay
its own subjective experience,
Am I ok k? You know
Ok, but I wanted I do want to recognize it
The physician practitioner am, I,
asking the right questions generally, not my following the patient up closely. Now generally,
am I educating the patient about the good and the bad? What are they?
to look for no generally,
you need many things to create this law.
long term problem it just to be clear when a person
who has either reciprocal problem, which call
spain or an emotional problem and they fight
Just the right drug
could include alcohol
really relieved that that's a bad day.
So that human beings because
A person is gonna, go right to that you mean it's like
each old issue. How come some people like out
don't like drugs, how come there,
people like various drugs, but dont want to drink,
depends on how their brain is receptive,
and the brain is a highly differentiated organ, so it really
depend on you, don't like that traffic.
should the doctors now ask tell me about
your drug use. Alcohol use. History tell me about
Everybody is your family?
siblings, who had it
rightly be sister or if you can go back to grandparents, that sort of
family tree stuff, the boy
be patient really does now I mean this almost always operate with somebody said yeah, you know
I had a big problem, or you know my father o my mother, somebody else.
stories you get into that sort of like family tree building,
exercise. You're gonna find something you can
argue and end. Some researchers have made this point that articles that it's called up
despite his brain that,
If there are histories of gambling
It is possible that it
stop genetically
individual it
Let me you will become it means you are. Preconditions is that
intimately. You are susceptible to it.
people tend to forget that we are all human and human
are susceptible to mistakes and miss steps in their lives
easy to judge and cast a stone at a person that we don't know but thou
doesn't make it right,
Lauren inbox, no matter what choice she made in her life, was still a daughter, a sister, an ant and a friend. She was loved by many people
our parents is no stranger to drug addiction,
to know about it and learn it is his profession
Towards the end of our conversation, we asked mark when he believed as the biggest fallacy surrounding those with drug addiction. I think the probably the biggest is that the people who
but come by the dependent or addicted. Are these
of like losers or people.
Fine
thieves and there are liars
care about eighty one and there too
sort of animals is simply not true,
many people have great sensitivity. They ve drifted into
trend, they ve made a series of really
choices and why
some
have real souci apathy and be liars and do
everything they can't get a drug their people
human beings. They
to someone else
in time the sum
neighbours or children. There, sometimes parents enough
worse. Still. Humanity to them
their use of drugs may copper
that? But I
leave that humanity stays within that I spent as it
eighteen years of my life working in an outpace drug treatment programmes. I found that out continually why
surprised by it in the first year or so I got accustomed,
to end this always away to reach. Someone may take time, may take
great deal of patience, but I think the greatest
misconception. Hence the stigma is that if they
use opiate or their addicted to them.
the mentally different. Don't trust them
the good of steel from you there, no good, they have dope
the bulls hateful
may be true of some. It is over
simplistic.
Laura's family has always felt that her case was ignored by law enforcement because she was viewed as just another addict
Maryland told us that the lack of communication from law enforcement has continued to be a source of frustration for them
I really detectors, never call. I said I don't,
I've got a cover me detective in years, and even when she first want nothing, they didn't really thing to tear. It took us breeds just to get a missing persons report, while father, because
one final one week
tat the penniless county sheriff's office, but they declined to comment on loris case.
laura's absence has affected her family greatly.
Constantly trying to figure out where she is and what happened to her.
You run every imaginable measurable scenario through your brain of. Why could
happen in did she suffer in green overnight? Answers in the autumn
the things that I just become completely submerging obsessed with those things and then I just go in the same circles. I dunno how I never gain any more answers from anything and it's
really frustrating
Rene longs to find answers as to what happened to her baby sister
This whole situation has opened her eyes to the stigmas at those who have addictions face, especially when it comes to them going missing.
Do something.
In honour of her. You know, of course,
and and rather that missing people I figured.
I gave me this thought spot for images, passion against opiates and again pills and gave me,
but as I saw towards attics because we don't know and missing the news of this family that are out there did you get blown off with his.
There's is made, and I guess, if you have
this year we have a mental health, is you're. An addiction is here the same thing that
you don't deserve to have a resting place.
So what happened to laura embark on february seventeenth, two thousand nine.
spite search efforts. The family has not come up with any solid leads as to what happened to the twenty two year old
The clues in this case are sparse.
We know that laura had returned to florida after being clean for several months,
was due to appear in court to testify against her abuser- and she also had legal matters of her own to take care of,
the police have said that she spoke to an officer on the day of her disappearance, the office.
That found her sleeping behind a building reported that laura had said she had left an abusive relationship and that she had been staying in a domestic violence, shelter, but had
the day. Prior
She told the officer that she was going to go to another shelter, but there's no evidence that she ever made it to another one and no one has seen or heard from laura since
The police have also stated that they had seen her days earlier in a car with her abusive ex boyfriend sean. We don't know what the police have or have not done in this case, because they haven't been very open with boris family and they declined to speak with us or release any further information about their investigation over the last ten years. Many theories have come up as to what could have happened. Did she leave on her own? Was she killed by her abusive ex boyfriend? So she couldn't appear in court where the police somehow involved, since they were the last one to see her. Could she have been trafficked? I think the fact that so much time passed since laura was last seen and when she was actually considered and missing person that crucial window of time to investigate was already closed. Important evidence that could have been gathered was now lost.
We may never find enough evidence to figure out what really happened to laura, but her family will never stop. Looking at the time of her disappearance, laura was five foot five inches tall and around one hundred and five pounds laura had her hair dyed blond, but it's naturally light brown. Some distinguishing features include a lower back tattoo of a pink flower with a tribal design and her initials l n on her left wrist at the time of her disappearance. She also had her nose upper left side of her lip tongue and belly button pierced. If you have any information about the disappearance of Lauren inbox, please call the pinellas county sheriff's office at seven to seven five, eight, two, six, three three three laura or better than your your drug addict on the street, or I had appalled by aaron dating current captain. Even during her drug, you should paid in contact with her.
She called all occurring came and he had to choose to her before she went missing. She call by me. I had talked to her errand
if you're gonna, to go to a shelter. Oliver driver and ad are supposed to go testify against his boyfriend. No one's really look into the boyfriend a lot and she just disappears before she was to testify, and then the cop said that they were the last one to see her and talk to her. But any time we try to get any information on who the cop was and the report no one will give at us
and my life fell apart memorial at nothing. I was obsessed with finding her and then nothing was happening and I it was just it was awful. You know, and I I didn't find a balance with it. I didn't feel like doing anything, productive, there's, a million things I should have done, and I never thought of doing a there's still
figure there and then
you're, quite rare, fruitless. You can't feel it. You can do it
I had no
The clear mind, then, I guess maybe
something we have under threat,
it's traumatizing I mean literally it changed it changed me. It changed my entire being.
The
The
the.
The brings us to the end of episode, one hundred and sixty three I'd like to thank everyone who spoke with us for the show, if you have a missing loved one that you'd like to have featured on the show, there's a case submission form at the vanished, podcast dot com. If you'd like to contact me, there's page and a discussion group on facebook and on twitter at the vanish cod and also on instagram, if you enjoy the show subscribe now and leave or five serve you on apple podcasts, spotify wandering dot com or revere listening right now, do you want to help support the show? There are a couple of things you can do. One way to help the vanished is by supporting our sponsors. You can find links and promo codes in episode notes. Another way to support the show by filling out a short survey at quandary dot com. Slash survey join me next time, I'll be covering a case from new york. Thanks for listening, the.
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