Hey prime numbers, you can listen to the vanished ad free on amazon, music download the app today. I will ask the commission what, You believe in my response is always I dont believe anything There are so many theories out there, the device- believing wanted the theories in its incorrect, I won't focus on the residents and then I'm gonna miss what happened to him. So right now. I just have to keep an open mind until somebody present evidence. It says this is what happened you know is not what this, but what happened to him. hello and welcome to episode eighty two of the vanished three jared at a darrow disappeared, while hiking in colorado mountains on October second, ninety ninety nine years, later Jared clothes, were discovered several hundred feet above the trail that he was on when he vanished later a tooth and part of us

I'll be located in the area as well even though some questions have been answered, much mystery still surrounds his case. This is Jared story. We finally almost made it the summer and for all of those events, speech weakens weddings and everything in between my go to having destination is always the real real dot com, the real as the largest and most trusted destination for authenticated luxury resale you'll, find everything from gucci prada arrest, ganny stored in so much more offer up to now if percent off retail, whether europe for an outfit for that upcoming wedding, summer, sandal or vacation ready beach tote you're bound to find exactly what you're for on the real real dot com. Without delay thousand new arrivals every single day and deals. You won't find anywhere else there truly nothing. The real real for easy.

having download the app and use code vanished for twenty percent off your next order. That's a real real dot com and code vanished for twenty percent off a check out term supply. If listen to the last episode. You know that I'm about to have a baby. Literally any day now I've been working on a couple of projects, but I'm not quite as Directive as I usually am because, I'm sharing this special episode with you guys You jared stab Alan today and I'm gonna share with you with very minimal editing. I know Several of you were just talking about the missing for one one movie recently in the facebook group and Jared case is feature that movie, I thought this would be a good the opportunity for you guys to learn more about charity case, so that here's on jerry disappeared on october. Second, nineteen, eighty nine up in the poorer canyon the mountains of colorado, we up there. Just I'm hanging out. We own a result at the time

and some friends or up their helping us out any decided to go a fishery about a mile, a mile hath. Waste from our resort at the time? You know it's no big deal. My daughter came up and asked hey dad. Can I go with them and and through reassurance, I said sure, no problem. Having no idea that you five minutes later. Jared would come running up and asking the same question jerry. Came up. I told him. No originally and again I was told it's no big deal. It's a fish farm what I got to finish in we'll be back right after that software, you ok, I guess I guess I can't hurt, so everyone can a packed up and the vehicles and they took ass. They drove right up the road took it as a fish farm. In the meantime, I'm still back at the resort. and I'm just gonna hang out and I decided to sit down and relax may have been like about an hour I have two hours later, I'm sitting there and I hear a big come on

and going on inside the resort at the store and some people walk from the story nor apartment guesser connected and then the two were totally animated and dumb but really said Ellen. I have a problem with Jared and I look at them when I'm like what do you? What do you mean? There's a problem with Jared, I said: well, I just What you need to sit down as an unarmed, I'm fine, what happened to gerrard did he fall and they said no, no, no, I said, did he did he break an arm? No, dilatory, economical. What happened to him in their response. To me what it was the crazy because they said he's. Ok, we're just can't find him am I? What do you mean he's? Ok, you just can't find him and they said no, don't panic here know: there's a lot of people up there, before my now, but he's ok, and at that time you know my

our body just just what kind of crazy I was dinner was going on. I told them that I wouldn't. I would meet him out because I want to take my vehicle and drive up to where it had gone missing and they told me, I said: well he's not a fish farm anymore, like what I mean. You know the first one we decided people decided that hike was not nice and there are thirteen adults. They said they wanted to go on another hike and- This other hikers up the canyon figures on a fifteen miles of the canyon conduct. The big south trail I had idea they were going there. I've gotten my view, Oh and I drove that. fifteen miles. I think faster than anybody should have ever been on that road, because it's wine beer to mountain road, I actually yield and scream all the up, the road bang. My chest- I just I didn't know what was going on in and when I got there, it got to the base of the dead. The trail and I told my my

friend who was our manager said he wanted to call search and rescue, and I told them you know, there's no reason: concept, search and rescue. They said people right there, they're gonna, find it, and not only that I on We believe that I would get up you're an unjust yell, gerrit zalm, endued, would come running out to me I really thought that answer I got on the trail and there were several people that were with the hiking group, and I and what would join the gentlemen, and we went literally running up the trail, and I was ass. I was running up the trail. I was yelling everything that you'd think I did. I always culture and a cultured jared J raw little man, everything I am. I called his name and in the farther I went up the trail. I realized. Oh, my gosh it. This is it this is. crazy trail narrows it places drops off and other places, the father. I got up the more fear, everyone into my body. I started thinking, you know what,

This is a huge play. Some I can build a find them or not anymore. I I ran. I start I mean the panic. I thought you know what I should I hadn't it. Might my friend search and rescue about that time, I started thinking my daughter- and you know, is she she was on the trail with him. My daughter and my son were both up on the trail and I started to because I wanted to see my daughter. I mean I desperately wanted all my daughter at that time and how to start going back down to the parking lot and had a radio with me and about halfway down. I got a message from my friend butch he says: hey elena, were at the base of the trail right now. One of the deputies is here, and I and I kind of freaked out- and I said butch I said you're not going we will manage it, but you need to go call, search and rescue and he said don't worry the second. You walked out the door, even though you said not to call him. I call them So I was only thankful for that, but I was still going back down into the a lot and I was concerned

my daughter, and I want to see my daughter and I was told, one way in and one way out on this trail, so there's no way in the world. She could have left a trail too they're, probably up there. Still looking for your son in the meantime it must have been about. I don't know ten ten minutes later a vehicle comes pawing up without with a woman named janet, she was in there with them with with jesse, where she had joshua resigned, Jarrett originally and trying to figure out where she came from, because I'm gonna saying there's only one way and one way out, there's no way. could have come off the mountain either and I found out that she had panicked looking for jared edge. took jostling back down the resort where we lived. And she came back up without jobs. once I'm like wow, that's kind of weird they're, saying that there's only one way and one way out, you know they would have seen her come off the mountain, and so that was kind of puzzling. To me to thinking how did she get my daughter off the mountain? So again, I'm thinking okay, what's going on, at the same time: unbelieving. It didn't find him, because

It was long after that were that the search and rescue teams showed up in the search and rescue teams are just incredible that they are incredible people they were like angel. like walking on the trail and this guy walked by me and he said to me, don't worry. If he's up there we're going to find him? I thought to myself yeah, you know what I'm really thank. You said that in even though this they didn't find them there night and day in the find him you know a few days later, and there are a lot of strange things that happened during that week of the search to me. It's like those those two things became a like a battle cry for me. After after I got back off For instance, I used to think you know ok. I just can't find him. I said at the beginning originally at that, crazy thing to say to somebody banana yeah. when I got off the mountain, I'm taking he's. Ok, I just can't find a maybe that's true maybe that's something I need to hold onto it.

papa that when the one search and rescue member said. If he's up we'll find him. I started thinking about that. Do a thing you know it maybe he's right. It may be the reason they didn't find. Him is mainly because he thought up there so there are so many different things that were there were going through my head in the work. Some I found out later on the term I'll Jared was on the trail. how to scream there's still a debate on what type of scream it was in the report. The report states that some people say scream was a playful scream with it, I jeered was playing with somebody, people saying. Oh, it was a scream where he seemed my sounded like maybe he was afraid so so I don't really know you know why

We came with that scream know why it happened and if it was even jared so, and so those are some of the things he said just really frustrated during the search and we we had several people that wanted to come up to the mountain and help find Jared and a lot of people were turned away. Experts were turned away, people were dogs were turned away, I met people years later. It said they had the best dog in the country in the air and they said they were turned away and in our seas puzzlin. Why? You know some people were turned away, went when here's this why literally three months, shy of his fourth birthday is up there missing and I was hoping they were all trying to find him he had. Did you ever get any answer as to why they turned somebody? people away no Never really did I mean I have my own belief, and my own belief is the fact that nobody He had ever been in a situation like this before and when jerry

appeared. I think everybody believed they were gonna find your, including myself. Everyone did I think they were trying to just keep people off the mountain number one they didn't want. You can go up there. The whole works. Getting in the way. Member to, I think they are I'm going to find him and they want they want to quit it hopefully, for in the rescue- and I Don'T- and I don't blame for that time, but it was frustrating I mean even when my family and I tried to get up there, we were told you know if we were or to that is kind of over the radio I was. I was at the resort- and I heard the radio and my mom and my sister in law, and my aunt happened to be at the bottom of the trail and a guy came over the radio and the radio and then another deputy and said: listen the enduro family there problems and if they don't you dare not, so causing problems, we're going to have to arrest them, and I'm thinking, oh, my gosh. What do you mean? They're gonna arrest, my family, my family's just trying to get up here trying to help and when we finally, actually they. Finally, let us on the trail we went up, trying to find you

This was already, I think, the third day after disappeared and the time the day after Jared had vanished, shared vanished on that Saturday October second, sunday october. Third, they had a helicopter actually up there. Looking for him, a huey and a We actually crashed in the middle of a search and it just the whole thing just turn into a mess. You things that we we never expected, but at the same time we finally got to go up the trail. The helicopter I already crashed and we and we were coming back down, we were actually told Hey- will hope. We hope you're happy now, because you caused a lot of problems going to get astrill, like my goodness, my son's up here. What do you expect when to do so that there were a lot of frustrations, a lotta things that happened and that I detail in the book and it's it's a pretty interesting thing button the store! each part, is it isn't? spent three and a half years trying to find out.

What's happening what's going on and and you know I I received a lot of phone calls myself about. You- know people saying that they saw Jared, hair or jared in another place as a matter of fact, It was sunday after the sunday that the data jerry disappeared. It was actually a report that he was seen. It may seem very national park and the report was from that arrangements and the ranger tore up and down. It was him, but am every time The media would talk to me about it. Were told. Well, you know people from that from the sheriff departments. They said the interview, the guy and em. They didn't think that that was a story that they can really look into, but even though they kept saying with after the guy, we talk and again we talk to the guy. Finally, I am very next year ship

number eleven. Two thousand and two. This is almost a year later, are over a year later. This guy sends me a letter and says the next time somebody told you they talk to me, given this letter to this day. No one's talk to me: some like wow, are you serious, I'm trying to figure out? Why was it all day interviewed him and at the same time he saying no one ever interviewed him. So you'll love it. a frustrating things that were going on so weak. I had no idea what was going on several times. I was called and said: hey. We think we found something and and of course, There was no evanescent, was Jared Adam, so from tat day on, there are some, If there is anything I was told by one of the experts at he drowned in the river and the water, so called big five year period. Where's body become much I was told them mountain took him. I was told that maybe he throws it s somewhere and will never find him. Now. I told that hey guess what maybe somebody took him off the mountain and that could be

it's a possibility, and so, if that were the case, you know, maybe it wouldn't have happened to be a crime scene and they didn't want anybody on the trail, but it took them where it really solid yearning. Interesting as I was writing a book. My worker? I was writing and I quit writing it, because it just did have any answers eventually to you're goin. almost four years later they wanted me to go up. Identify them, but In turn, I asked if there was any. It could email me a picture and so on a basic that it they sent the pledges to me and I opened up the pictures on my computer I myself, oh my gosh. I said that my son, falling. I saw his jacket, I saw pants I saw a shoes I, crying, and I suddenly again, if I found him and

There was no sign of anything else, except for the clothing. I decided to she sent an email at email. The pictures to my mom, my dad, my brother and everyone, because I wanted them to to to see the pictures too, and in about ten minutes after I sent the the pictures out. My dad calls me and my dad asked missus zones is: are you sure this ass, belong, adjourn, lemme, guess those insured. and my dad said, while that interesting and I'm I'm like what's interesting that he goes well didn't you see it. I said to see what he said: look at jerry spent pants inside out and I'm like what they're inside out in its agenda how did they get inside out and so that That's a mystery really started setting in and I brought the picture back up and I looked at him. I thought, oh, my goodness, he's right spencer inside out you don't? How does that happen, and so

Look at the jack, innovative pants again looked at the shoes and big decide added to do a search the very next week, so still puzzled. What's going on and the next weekend it's kind of strangely I go and I mean at the bottom of the mountain or place called tat place and I'm gettin ready. I have I people are going up with me because they wanted me to be part of the search, because I want to go to sleep. It can find anything else, and am kind of interesting. Because there was a big ordeal are happening in the in the parking lot at ted place in the guy one of the deputies I was talking to was extremely rude and he did tell me he didn't want me coming up there in the whole works, but then at the same time, finally, the under sheriff got a hold of him and let him know that he had given me permission to bring extra people, but it was just again just really frustrating, but the interesting thing was as we were. I have to sign this mountain in his work.

at the sound man, not only do we have to know how I got the big south trail, this this man was just it was hard to climb. Let me put a helmet on. They are a couple of search and rescue members with me. As we climb at this side AL I literally was on my hands and knees at times falling, scraping my hands and the words, and I'm thinking my goodness, how does anybody get apparent? Not only anyone? How do these two guys get up here to find this stuff, and so we, continued decline, and that was too the term Joe Clothing was found about five hundred and fifty verdict, the feet up the mountain, so it's like if you stood at the bottom of the trail and look straight up five hundred and fifty feet. That's almost two football fields high, but when we were climbing aside, it's like about fifteen feet, it it's a long, long, long, climb and again it's something that dumb jeered, never would have done number one.

I said we live in the mountains. We talked about a lot of things in a safety in the works. He never would have made an effort to go up that mountain number two, and I just I can understand how I was making. The claim is a matter of fact. I've been back up. The mountain through times to go up to the area. Would Sharon's cloning was found, and I am the last time we went. I took my daughter and my wife, A couple my daughter's friends Adam. We actually ended up coming back down without finding the area. It was just too difficult and I didn't want anyone to get hurt. That's how steep it is. So it's about a fifteen hundred foot climates, it's a long climb, but the interests thing? Was we want? Now we were up there. I just got up to the top. Were jared calling was found in their work blue material everywhere in the blue? Material happened to be from the pants sony. When you look at the past, one of the lake is missing and it looks like. Oh my gosh, you something you know just ripped his leg right after, but I was too

by the officials, and it was obvious when I got to know that the reason why the leg was missing off the pants, because it was a abler typepad, their sweat pants there were words and rodents and all kinds of little round was up there pulling his pants apart and they are using the blue materials partner nesting. the material was everywhere and then you could just look around and see this little blue specks of cloth everywhere. So just got. There was looking at that and, as I was looking at it, they asked me wanna help search, and I said No- I said I'm here I just want to see the place where you found everything I said I wanna get off this mountain and as soon as I said, that over the radio somebody said he is MR atta daryl here yet The reply was yeah. He's he's right here, hey, we just found a tooth

and the interesting thing was the week before there was a big argument on on tv on national television. If anyone would find anything in in DR baden out of new york said, you would find at least a tooth now, all of a sudden we're finding his tooth. So- Ask me to walk with him in this area and they actually had the top of the premium. The skull sitting upside down with a tooth in a similar, we found top of. We found that he is so it was I actually walked up there and em. Again It was extremely emotional and I had put my hand out, and I said, can I hold the tooth and they said yeah and they gave me the tooth and I held relative and After about a minute holding onto the tooth and little this cry and there I gave him the tooth back in

and told iridescent shared, thank you for waiting until then he gets upon the mountain. Before somebody find you, I had a long talk with shared, but them so we. We'll have to mountain that day and dumb again, you're trying to figure out what happen what's going on so they within the toothache the phoebe. I does dna test on the tooth and cranium They belong to jared and they send on the closing off. So here's how it gets really interesting. They sat on the clothing away. You want to send the cloning away. They came back with nothing, there were no. There was no blood on the clothing and and emissary at the time. The big theory at that time was amount mind. So there was no blood There was no not lionheart aroma learners, Nothing, no!

dna, no human tissue, nothing on any of gerald's clothing on his jacket on his pants around his shoes and his jacket was intact in the front and usually when a mountain lion attach you, it goes for the stomach area and it shreds any clothing you have on so I contacted several mountain lion experts and they were telling me there's no way. He was my amount outline this just this. It doesn't since because they would be mountain hairs or mountain line, dna, honest his. They found nothing a trace of a thing so Ghana, Okay, I m Yeah what's goin on here they were made. Did the dna test for the tooth the cranium. They came back with a cranium that it was a eighty six percent chance and it was jared, but they couldn't say that it was him a hundred percent back in the day. I guess a dna testing was there, but it does. It's not what it is today, but everything was. I got these things in a calm electoral programmes and in this

them to me a copy of em. I contacted a daughter out of them out of ohio. It was with right, stayed out of ohio and he's a dna expert, and here I am if I could cinema electoral feral grams, and I want to know if you can make heads or tails out of them So I see these electrophone aims to him and he contact me and says you know This is really confusing, and I said what do you mean? He said that Mrs, do you have any in the two they said: no, they completely destroyed. It then smashed. It destroyed it. Did the dna testing isa? That's interesting because there to people's dna writer here, the two: is contaminated. Then, like all you talking about is. I don't know how this happens. He said every expert, I know anyone I know in a business they would. They would never contaminate evening likeness and stay there too. It was the mason right here. So yes, I don't know what they are trying to tell you, I'm not sure what you're trying to say is, but this they shouldn't be happening. So I'm impressed

again, I'm like, oh, my goodness now what now what's goin on and still have no idea what's going on, so no blood, no man, lion, hairs, hares and no body tissue. And at the same time the tooth has more than one person is dna I'm still trying and I'm still selling things out when we found it There was some hair on jerry jacket, but the jacket hair was on it wasn't identifiable, they can identify what their or who they belong to all they said was. We could not identified a here so again, we're still ass and were still confused? So we don't know it when I took us about. ten years after the tooth and creating actually found on my third dna test that we found out that was actually jared so that that was. That was an interesting. to find out, but the things it that

the confusing happened to be the shoes even one. the investigators and the report says the shoes look excellent. So people than I thought you were like. How did How are these shoes on how to get back up there? and what do they look? So nice is a matter of fact. I have two other certain issues that will be ignored. shoe the tat were used. Bring the m this. because I wouldn't purchase them, because I, the two two give the researchers. the issue that you had to take a look at the bottom of the issue. The thing is I just put one of those shoes out and I've been want to do this for a while, but I put it on my my backyard and I want to leave it outside for three fears in and see what it looks like because of this. You looked as if it were brand new, again noble. In the clothing, I met a gentleman named Andy Peterson, attacked my amount lion not far from where I used to live and when he was attacked, he survived it,

was telling me that, my goodness, when Atlanta attacked him. He said there was blood all over my shirt, when my shorts, Oliver my shoes all over the trail, oliver my backpack, he said there was blood everywhere, there's no way in the world. They wouldn't find any blood on his clothing. So again, we're still trying to figure out you're what and from that perspective yeah and I thought about it. It kind of makes you crazy cause when you sit there and you think what if he took off his own clothes. Well, how would he have? it's like? If, ok, maybe if his clothes were found at the bottom, that would make sense. But how would you and up there to take his own clothes off. How would he climbed up there too? his own close off up at the top right. If he had been taken up there, by amount lion. Then there been damaged was closer, would have implied, select what you

can go around in circles in your mind about about this over and over again very reg Well, not only that, if a man lime were dragging him off, a cliff fifteen hundred feet. You would I think that you would see some type of scuff mark on the back or the front. Undertow anderson now Sk marks an orange shoes. Not only that he m didn't like tying his shoes, and so let's say something was dragging him up. The mountain and his hill was dragging on the ground. His shoes would have popped off, they wouldn't have been up there where's clothing was found. What you touch on something- really interesting. So after they did this search for In the clothing area and looking for any remains, the report came out. Mean the part of the report, because what you said is interesting and they're talking about gerrard's clothing and here's what the report says. It says the reported absence of any stains that might have come

either blood or de composition. Fluids indicates that they were either removed from or by the victim prior to the time, any significant bleeding or composition took place. So what this is saying is the reason I don't find any blood or tissue on his clothing is because something you took the cooling off of him or Jared took the clothing off of him, so it himself and I'm like that. That's an interesting thought because number one: if jerry were on the big south trail, and he was I on the trail in something it in fact right there on the trail then took him up the mountain, they had to be a bleeding. There would have taken place. All it's clothing number one number, two: it's kind of emphasis, as you do something, or someone took the clothing,

when beforehand. Ok, let's go farther on into the report. It says jerry disappearance must have been fairly close to the big south trail. So here's the second part of the report there saying that whatever happens to jerry, happened to him, The banks have trail yet his call. was found almost fifty nine. Feet up the sailor, man or five hundred fifty vertical feet up, According to that report either it says, the either something or the victim took his clothing, offer them. Ok, let's do that lets say. Jeered was attacked and at the bottom of the trail in Jared, took his call in off at the bottom of the trail or something took his cooling off in the bottom of the trail, then they carried his body up to where issues are found. Four hundred is calling it up. There then. it's a good! This doesn't make any sense to me. It's like I can buy in here that that concept, but you're saying either something or someone took his clothing off before

anything any tissue or any blood could have been put on the clothing and the same time is there saying he was attacked by the trail? I dont get that it's like something. His clothing happened must have been with his body when it one of the trees, in fact the case. There has been no living something all over it. So I'm. Has it been the goes on to say here that says: hikers and searches on the trail would have encouraged the animal move away from the keel sites. Are there saying ok. Shared, was on the trail some attacks on the trail. Now there are people looking for shared searches looking for gerrard, so this whatever may have been decided. I needed you take a body elsewhere, because people are gonna, see it so of the body- went up the mountain. I again like I can comprehend some itself, but at the same time, going back you're saying something or someone took his clothing- offer them before the tyranny. before its or blood. You know depart as it on his calling. Once again,

how long would it take something to take him fifteen feet up the mountain, I'm sure it would ever take away at it, took me a while to get up the man, and so galaxy it. It just doesn't make sense, so I'm in its. interesting. So, but there are, there are a lot of things that you know. People come out. People talking about a lot of things, a lotta people say you know what does that doesn't make sense and to me it doesn't make sense either into me. It's like it's! It's not that I don't believe Anyone saying what happened here. what happened here to me. It's like, if it doesn't make sense, I have a hard time buying into it. It's like I do I don't want to be sold, something that that is unbelievable in it's kind of weird, because I get people that contact me all the time and, for instance, if you look at the top of the cranium they found there are a lot scratch marks on the service. I mean scratch marks all over the surface. I've been told from you know all kinds different there is about the scratch marks. Well, I had one lady actually contact me and she was a daughter she's

anthropologists and she says I know exactly what caused the scratch marks all over the cranium and I'm like really what's that and she said that river scratching. She said that yet rolling in the river and the river rocks are hitting it, causing all those scratches. She says I've seen this many times and I can guarantee you that's what it is she said. So what what happened is an interesting thing is that the lower mandible is gone and she said the man. The ball in the upper part of cranium a non attached, so the mandible could have fallen off in the river after a few days. after the body was there for awhile, she said only that the tooth would that the teeth would not be there either. You can be falling off and his shoes would be. falling away somewhere, He came on and I I had a dialogue with her back and forth and I said well, you know that's kind of interesting because some where jared was found, which was like you said, five hundred and fifty vertical feet up the mountain

if he was rolling in the river and his teeth were no longer part of the cranium, how did a tooth end up next to the cranium and she you know, waited about a day. And contacted me said. I know exactly what happened. He was in the river and there was a flash floods and the flat flood deposited everything turn that in that area, where are you check to see if there was a flash floods in the area, and I contact your back and said well, I can I can buy that, but you gotta understand this flash for this place Five hundred and fifty vertical feed there's no flash when the area that's gonna, be that high, especially when you look at the mountain right there. So to me, as I could, gonna find it too, in ukrainian there. Maybe we can find those aren't there too, because here to be a major flood and after it I meant to her. She never contacted me again, but instead just dumb it's weird things and then and then another weird thing: I received a phone call and em

I answer the phone and in the the other- and it was It- was a man. And he said I m here I need to talk to you is I can't tell you what my name is, and I can't tell you HU, I am he said, but I we'll tell you this. He said please understand he's, I work for the sheriff department and they're, not telling you everything. unlike what do you mean and not telling me anything? He said. Sorry doesn't let you know you're not being told everything, and not only that he said evasion if the truth is going to come out and when the truth comes out. I will call you back and I will stand by your side and say I told him that they weren't telling them everything and I said well, what's your name, you please tell me who you are, and he said nope, I'm sorry. I can't. I can't talk to you anymore. I need to get off the phone now any hung up. So if you set some suggest some weird situations throughout europe complete them disappear. and on

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somebody that's about seven, eight or nine years old, and this minute debate back and forth with people it hasn't believe been decided a yak. It could have been a to the term was in a three year old butter, at the same time, like you said, we're parties, is you wasn't we germans tooth, even here it just to like. I said they were arguing on on fox news, the national network that you know they're not going to find anything. Oh yes, they will and then, when Dr Baden said, we'll find at least a tooth and that's what they found was was a tooth in some. You know to music this is weird. This is kind of strange. Why does he say they're going to find a tooth and then they find a tooth and then all of a sudden they they check the dna and it's contaminated with two different people's dna and they didn't say it was Gerrard's dna. They said two people's dna, so yeah. That was weird when I was reading a book that that whole initial dna testing. I forget exactly what then

where was, but they were able to exclude certain percentage of people as being the parents, but I think that was the skull cap, not the tooth exactly, and it was it was I get. Eighty six percent or something it wasn't right, number that made. You really think for sure. That's that was his right. Is it was eighty six percent right in it took us, did, took three different dna test in ten years. In order for us to find out exert it was Jared salem outside We find that out, but, like I said that the thing is I know that there is no longer with us in the works. I understand that I mean I've had interesting. Things happen to me. I know that the thing is that I'm confused with his eye. I just like to know what happened now anderson too many things with too many questions. It's like you know. the clothing and in what way is the jacket? Why? Why is it not shredded when it should have been

why no blood, why no hairs? You know whether the shoes look like they were in great condition, still and and and just just too many questions that for me to sit there and say: okay, this. This is good. me, I'm done in a sound like I'm trying to drag Jared story on forever in the whole works. It's just. I want. I'd like to find out what happened to him every time that I've I've read about gerrard's. his appearance, it's really not anything that you can just say. Oh definitely make sense that it was about mine, because there's too many things that are weird and like you said, that phone call It does seem, like maybe you're, not being told everything like. I said to its To be honest with you, I've been told many many many many many many things that could have happened. A shared and aunt em, it's kind of Because to me it's like the people. Ask me anything. What do you believe

in my response is always I dont believe anything so many theories out there, the device believing wanted the theories in its incorrect. I won't focus on the residents and then I'm gonna miss what happened to him, so right now. I just had to keep an open mind until somebody present evidence. It says this is what happened you know is that Yes, but what happened to him? had spoken to a couple of fishermen too What once he was separated from that group correct I guess he was walking up the trail run into a couple of fishermen tagging along with them and from what I understand he had actually asked them are the best appear: I dont know why he asked that somebody just recently me a message and ask me: do you think me he could have seen something and that's what triggered a question for you. I never really thought about that because we

It it's it's an interesting question that Jared would have asked at that at that point, but damn the fishermen went on to go fishing and Jared continued up the trail and if the fishermen would have held on the german right there. Hopefully we would have him still to this day with them. Actually there's just so many things had happened. They just lead to this. To this mystery. And I dont know if you, if you want to even get into this cause- and if you don't want you- that's fine, but I I had seen that I have actually talk to families who have dealt with this before chew where you had somebody come forward. It claiming to be Jared, oh my gosh half yes, I have a guy harassing me, for it here I mean he actually showed up at my work.

And he showed up at the district building at the school district. I work at. He didn't actually show up at my school, but then he started sending me all these messages and he signed on to facebook as gerrard at a darryl and started, claiming that he was my son and and He wanted to see me in contact me in and I've. Trying to let hey, listen, buddy. You know we had a dna test on. and when we know that the training belongs to Jared and he came back and said. I know that Cranium, and belongs to me, and then it starts sending me pictures of dad they they they fixed me that they put my cranium back together and it's it was. It was pretty horrifying me and originally I you know I had to the sheriff at my house several times because we were not. sheriff he was gonna show up or not, and I m using the area. I think he went back to california, the we. If we worked in, I know if he shows up there is an arrest warrant out for him, but yeah, it was just

It was kind of weird, because one day I just I just get Instant messages is dead. How are you it's really in california and unlike and it was from it was from one it was. something jerry one something and I thought chaired want something. it's interesting. This guy has the same first name is my son, we're thinking about it or one. That's john! In spanish, when my son's name is jerry John Joe I did you know that then, as the more or less Oh, my god, disperse internecine jeered and then the next message I got from them dad it's me, but please talk to me and I m I guess I got harass with pictures and everything for almost complete year at least two or three times a week her understand that you know son people, do these things for attention or what I thought just don't understand the mindset of people who do that. Oh yes, I am, I actually also have you know, maybe within it

year after year did vanished. I had a lady right off the bat actions is that week. She called me and told me that she she helped me. looking for their children and she wanted to help and all the staff, and she started telling me that there is she had proved a jared was in a child labour camp and she actually pictures of him, and when I asked for the pictures she said she's, sorry that they were top secret. I couldn't see them and then next thing you know she's telling me there were two women who kidnapped Jared because they wanted money from me. They wanted my resort that we had at the time and went back and forth. And finally, I said you know what it is I just want to believe you. Somebody's gotta, give your polygraph tests and she said that's what I want so the under sheriff the time got in touch with her gotta together. They gave her a test and the and a sheriff call me, earn hudson and said: hey Alan she's been making it all up, she's been lying. What do you want us to do with her, and I said, lock her up and put her in the fire

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if your interested, please join the group and I'll be posting more information about that there. Yes, it's I have it brother and dumb. We he came up right away when Jared went missing and done with. we collaborate collaborating back and forth. I would put some stuff together: send it to him and he'd put some stuff to get us in the back to me and we went back and forth until we we had it completely together. He was and he just retired. Last year he was an assistant. Superintendent of a school district in california is the best place people the buyer book on amazon? You can go to amazon, It's an create space, but the best place, if you, if you really looking for a lake goat My my my facebook page in my facebook book page, which is missing when the sun sets in it

The thing is: when you spell son, it's it's spelled as all and not as you and because it's a play on words because in my life my son said out of my life such called missing when the sun sets on facebook- and I have a couple of weeks Eric you gotta go. Space amazon at its income on candle and um. you can you can follow the story to their. I post things updates every week any information at that meeting new. Concerning jared case, I try to post pictures it There are posts things I might have so that when people go to the page they can actually what's going on and works, for instance, I am. I when opposed a video today, as first him, I'm tryin is better. It's kind of funny thing weeks after to jeer disappeared. I wrote this despond call called what did Jesus say. I wrote it probably week after jerry disappeared, but damn I'm doctor. twenty fifth nineteen, eighty nine, which he said twenty three days after jeered vanished. I took this poem and I email

to my mom and my twin brother, in when I held it to them was in my bedroom. I have had a small apartment at the time I was in my bedroom, and nobody was there with me, so I sent in my computer is up against the wall by a window, so I I sit hit sand and I walked out of my bedroom and when I walk out my bedroom segment in the living room- and I called my dad sore talking my dad is a big noise in my bedroom and I dad, I said sums going on in my bedroom. I take a storms born and I need to go in and go close the window, so I walk into the bedroom and is the way on the kurdish issue, swinging back and forth like a gust of wind and hid it in its swinging back and forth I walk up to the window to close the window in the windows closed already in my dad and I don't believe this I said with the wind to close- I don't know what's going on. This is weird. I need a hang up. I don't interfere what's goin on here. So as soon as I hang up, my mom calls me

and she says, honey. She says you're. That was that's a nice porn, but what does the number eight to one seven mean, and I like What do you mean? What is the number eight? Two seven me she says it's all through here. I know its, not mom, there's no, eight, twenty seven in that forum at all so She emails it back to me and I open it up and there's no way to win seven. So I call my brother and I said: can you open that email up and look at it and he says now there's no eighty one seven minutes So my mom says you know what I will print is up to you What do you and I will facts it to your school tomorrow? She went to the school at the same time, so she faxes to me in itunes, hymns author. It oh, my goodness, eight two and seven. So I I get with a bunch of friends and my mom, and and and and we go for two weeks thinking is it a part of a phone number? Is it? Is it part of the license? Plate is there's something here that may be some somehow mysteriously we're trying to get a message, and we didn't know what it was until about two weeks later, my mom says I've got it figured out. I know at eight to one seven is I made more came on what is eight to one seven and she said,

eight two and seven. If you take the eighth letter, the twenty first letter and the seventh of the alphabet, expells hug while I am on that's gonna crazy. She says that weight fire back and forth. There was general turning get. Your attention Is it just sent you a hug? and to end it. Then I'm I I'm going to post a little video of that today on my page but yeah that that that situation, but it was one of the weirdest things that never happened to me. It was. It was kind of strange and at that time we did not have matured, but I kept thinking he's not with us. That brings us to the end of episode. Eighty two I'd like to think Alan. For in the time to share Jared story and all of you for listening again, you wanna follow jared case. Please follow missing. When the sun sets on facebook. Oh- and I mentioned the beginning of the show that Jared stories featured in the missing for one one movie, I apologize

case four years before the movie came out and I must say that the movie really did help me visualize the whole area, so few, a check that out. I know you can run on amazon right now. I have several projects that I'm working on right now just moving a little bit slower than usual, since to show myself it's been a little bit tough, the past few weeks. If try to contact me in the next few weeks. I'm reading all your messages, it she's taking me a little bit longer to get back to everybody. If when a reach me you can. Finally, on facebook, where there's a page any group you can So contact me through the vanished podcast out com, I'm also twitter at the vanish pod and on instagram as well. I hope everybody has a great weak and I'll catch up with you as soon as I can, if you're looking for, Updates on me I'll. Try to keep you guys informed on social media are thanks, everyone,

a week to the day after jeered vanish like My twin brother was still here in colorado because he lives in California. We were walking through a store in all these paper. Towels up in the fell down on top of its agenda, at my brethren, he says Gerrard's trying to get your attention. I started laughing, I said yeah. He always like to kid around with me and I kept thinking. Gosh shared you know, or you no longer with us. Are you chinese? Are you trying to tell dad dad it's okay, you know

don't worry about it, I'm all right and just settled on weird things like that happened to me.

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