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India is a tough one. We don't have the lab black tail deer and enjoy my fake, and it was a fake language to do that. Super, eight and dan. Don't think that but then who's also been on has been negative. About there has been like this place is terrible. And by the way we're we're going, is gonna, be really cold, wet and miserable. This whole things solids. Judging by that say there are they being sleepy me. This is fine little. This is fine. If women have this is terrible, then I put it on a scale and compelled this knew the the the mountain that we're going to cause yeah. I'm aware I've been a little negative about this and I don't want to

That way there is a class you sit in up there with all the kings and queens and royalty were back there with the peasants code you're a natural. I understand I understand where you're coming from, though they're subpar. There is something about this place that just has and here, but we better- a bunch has been for years now. A banker he's been kind a lot more than suddenly trying to put the put the end to this trip. No, no, no variance just like he like, we kind of I think dance or something along the lines of we filmed the piss out of that boy. Yeah! Is it because it's yours now you have your cabin up here. Not this! Also. I just love it. I love it because I I feel it feels really nice whether one leg as much as I like it here, you're a weirdo like that. I love and enjoy bad weather. I just love it because there's something about and there's just I I.

Southern about is like a place. It just is probably is gonna kick your ass. You like margo, you know- and it was highlighted in that recent Elk episode that I watched this is fucking giant. beautiful a mile. I swear you project that will make it oh yeah. Maybe we be this isn't like this isn't like like to buy a tv you. This beautiful Elk in your sites- and you decided not to shoot it because you want to see what else was out there and you follow. You came too easy I would have shot that farc and our elgin. I know I just opposite eu I had just as I had just shot just shot, not there to talk I had just out whatever hello. Fuckin ended that thing right there

Ladies and gentlemen, this show is four minutes long. I would act opposite. I never think like this is too easy when things come on to either you're fucking great, let's wrap this up. I love it. When things come easy, I don't ever feel like. I have to work extra hard. I hope I am too deers in the first five minutes tomorrow. I hope they line up. I hope both my tags line up where they're both eaten grass at the same time, and I get one headshot or ricochet- take both of them out right from the tent just boom get up in the morning. She lets go crabbing boom, let's eat shrimp, shrimp and crab yeah. I don't know what you're saying, because I do like I want it to be out. I never go somewhere thinking like oh, I want it to be bad but I don't know honey like be like. I hope it's really hard is bad. They always always there's tons of animals everywhere. Would you like to earn it? After the fact, you're a bit of a masochistic you're broke

mercy as well. I think you are is somewhat appreciates. Hard work and effort and you also appreciate going to places that are difficult to hunt, going to high mountain areas, are difficult to hike. there's a lot that you, you have an ethic and I think that ethic, it's it's a good thing, it's a good thing. We have this, but you're you're, very dream with your ethics your morals, your ideals and these things, it's very romanticize version of it me, gonna kill shit need it. I don't think that's so that that that I got more. I really good time in wisconsin, but I got I had a much more satisfying feeling at the end of the montana trip, because of the cold, the discomfort, the ten the hiking the pie, can I meet out, then you got

during the last day- and I got to do everything felt like a struggle- and I didn't really- I wasn't too vocal about it. I froze my ass off cause. I hadn't learned how to sleep, and I couldn't layer up enough and finally, ryan can never brought this up losing the video you just complain about. The call is that right, yeah, okay! Well, maybe I'm just a whiner, but I remember being so cold and ryan. Told me: take a hot water bottle, put it in your bottom. Your sleeping bag changed everything, but for the first time I was not sleep and may viewpoint in most areas at no extra oral question. greatest shot is beaten. Him was or you shot out with his with his reserve has all the time acres old, timey bow. I mistakenly called it like. I always think of everything. Besides the compound stick bug a couple of guys he's a great guy colleagues are he's not here.

I know, though, on enjoying hard hans. I think it's part of the progression of all hunters and you might get there one day too, and I know a lot of old guys that would love to every season hunt every single day of the season because they enjoy the hunt and to sit in their stand to be called the birds and all that and to kill their deer on the last day, that would be their perfect seat yeah. I appreciate it tough, and I appreciate you guys coming on again, because I you know I I realize this the other day. without really try and you were sort of doing the onus. Is there a thing? Is there a grand slam version for dear so people like you mark their though grants lamb concept, which is in a difficult concept, understand. Always a brute animals have like a grand slam, type thing so a turkey's would do a. gran grand slam, for turkey's would be Jude S, eastern turkey,.

I see turkey, The rio grande myriads is a grand I am now then there's the soup do all these go. Super slab and world super slam, for turkey's which I, which I like almost accidentally, completed the utterly and what is you add, a goulds turkey, and you know gould in arizona and in mexico. Do I gotta Maxwell, and then he got the world slam which is when you step outside turkey, is also the american like visiting all those turkey's all those turkey's r b, north american turkey and geneticists. Don't really acknowledged the differences between all these things, but there's another one: the oscillated, which is a whole different species. Take the second turkey's This is the ocellated, down in Yucatan

you haven't you got the turkey world slam heavy. is when I explained so, my friends, I think it's a stupid thing on the plan in oh boy, for she is doing doll she stone she raw The mountain bighorn desert bighorn is the sheep's whatever, Slam is your dear one. I think so Dinner's, as you boys get terribly close in, we have, if we have a successful hunt when we cross Great god I'll know it go for coups jack, then you got like away tail, they go. Adele, blackmailing mule. Here you ll hear wait sick Wagtail big guy. Do colombia, blackmail, maybe coups dear dear chloe, Actually, my yard you'll get that whenever you want what they the like again. Geneticist

like rewrite all this stuff, but now they think it like that at is that the colombian blackmail, the sick, a black tail, the meal dear all of them in their there. Listen as one species love, you don't reckon asthma selves pieces, which is totally bizarre, is easier here when you walk of libya, stunned how small they are. Oh, you mean. alaska, the sick about those are smaller. Wireless are small. They can serve he better y. No me I was it weird yeah, the big dear, like the big dear from the north, like the ones in like saskatchewan for guys murder, three hundred pound. Yet as you big poundings way bills bergman's principle, but is called things barbarians, ruler, Bergman's principle, so yeah mammals tend to be larger at the northern extreme of their range in the northern hemisphere that any larger, because it has youth. He dissipation heat retention, but Fine. That means

your ten are now adhere to that, quite as strictly as white tales do say, look at a key, a good, a deer away till dear in the keys, very, very small, we're piles of his lucky priorities. wait till dear Alberta to earn thirty pounds is giant so sure. That's. I wish you the bigger the person, the bigger the better. They are conserving eight year That's why you ideas were it'll, make proudly right bigger, pursing survival is. Why is it that those mexican dear that you see on television alla time, black tail or white tail end down those boost and mule dear the giant they bringing a marrow the white tales from mexico or small, ok, I'm just seen ones on television shows dollar like, but their small body and the mule deer down there get big antlers and that's what is a mule you're somebody's milder don't conform to that rule, quite as strictly as other things do. But when you do find, is the mule deer like what you say: a desert meal? There is going to have

bigger ears and ears, graver heat retention, desperation. While you look at the holy mammoth only me with a big elephant right little, years they bear. I am here on earth thing than africa's he's: a cold climate elephant, look down, african elephant, I mean giant ears. For that another place, animals lose a lot of heat, is inside of their legs, so utilize, those just the hairs thin there. You can stand up, dissipate heat lay down to collect to retain he PA, but yet another principle plays in like sycamore tales our coastal and off probably the island critter, if we're a reason, mammals on islands, tender, and towards dwarfism tales on islands tend to gargantuan ism. Well, then happens with those giant bears the cognac there there is exerting pressure exerted in which access to to salmon, I would imagine new meet, whereas and bear like brown bears in you know the mountainous regions are like

I passed the live on berries and stuff. That's what I heard yeah and the grizzlies that you get in the far north are small yeah. There's exceptions will replace many ways. You just some dinky ass years, said one. What's a big sick, bucktail hundred pounds, the bigger near you l, they you'll get it. I don't think a big box can hundred fifty pounds file. I mean a lot of them, like I said manner like sub one hundred pounds, you walk like wow. That's not what I thought I was looking at our right right, let's see what you like it in the answers, are you have to. There just not as big is like imagined it. like the only listen the only woman due to new bow was, like PAMELA anderson like the way EL beers, the pant like the panel anderson dear, you know it's just like soup up and

well, a lot of work been done on it. It's just like this thing. You know they get and you look at the cover magazines. You look at these giants on farms. So when you go out if everyone knew that woman, and only that woman, they're gonna have a hard time appreciating some one of those more subtle, refined beauty, because the bread, the bid, the dear you talk by the sea on the cover of those hunting magazines, are corn, fed, basically theirs, more nah man they're injected evening, like magazines like I've talked, I don't want a day in the maze they got. Friends worked in. I write there now and then, but in the the fall. They always put a big giant but on the cover the magazine in the magazine has a has a toil standpoint standpoint were there not for fence hunting, so they don't like cover funding in the magazine a robot fence hunting the magazine, but all their books. Name's man, you I mean they got books, does the books on the cover the magazine artist. farm box,

They bought your knock and seeing the wiles like Larry the back. You know it won't say that I was like a pennsylvania giant. You know vertical one hour to try to get a shower of were wasn't like us Why are the wolves in yellowstone, stone and out of these are doctored photo? You think there are three mouth: why are they so? Why are they so working party s brain size, riding bareback? Why are the wolves, neo yellowstone, so so joy? like these guys who shot him in their holding them up, and there are literally bigger than that by far the person is that because they have so much access to elkanah discover their big well fed, there's like theirs. conspiracy theories that many that, like the forest service, somehow wanna do really stick to really screw over montanans and welcoming people, and so they like Y, know what I'll do tomb I'll go, get

super walls which they com super wolves from elsewhere, canada and bring him down. Let him go and these walls or way bigger than walls that were here at the time of european contact and that'll show them and they'll know not. I I don't really know what they're like if they're trying to to monitor whether sticking to them about, but that's one theory is that another thing would be that they right now. Are expanding their range they have in in many areas. Low carb, like low competition with other walls, cause there's still not an expansion phase like the energy moves outward, you know to to new, territory and there's a lot in their healthy promises way. How so big timber we're a couple hundred pounds, but people That's like one of those numbers that was before that there are certain numbers that always get thrown around like you know, you know like

two hundred pound mountain lions, yeah all that stuff and so like the the wolves. Are that big? But I mean they're giants. The giants are huge. We did hear that story from a fairly credible source about the guy that knew the trapper is supposedly trapped, live trap some these wars and the first introduction, ninety seven in adoption area into yellowstone, and that he had trapped like sixteen or seventeen walls any handsome and he picked like hand picked. The biggest bad is meanest war like the the wolves and all the rest of wars and hands were like. scared of cowardice like those stupid bastard down the states in these three? It's like you or wolves. Do you hear dunno what you're know what you're thinking he seems crazy idea it caesar his idea, that's kind of backfiring, a lot of places no baby was a wise man. Yes, numbers are I really high right? they got. They start they feel like they're, maybe

one the huns running. You know they felt like they turned the corner. The montana little bit I of my brothers was saying you know the one that is loss of the importance of l to bears use absurd seven over me now mean that emanates. I totally anecdotal, but there are like with Why is the area of the area we are elk in me? asked aunt, em still with us, No because they were there for ten years. We start on there are ninety six source for the wolfing hit. That EL occur. there we ve heard, has been greatly do steel is like the Elk number declined in that specific her had declined by the fifty seven percent, but my brother kills an every year. His success rate has me, tat has gone the same, I think is like out go down, but his knowledge level of the area. You know it pays sort of made up for it

Now I can only imagine because book before Rules came in this good like that, the south wholly just like one gas experience, but I would say, as to one Wolves came in hard work, work I'll leg ladies and gentlemen, cried tom other than what they call the greater yells on ecosystem are that the area around yellowstone, where the rules are now wyoming, idaho Montana, but those walls came into restart hammer knows Elk. The Elk apparent in a way that they weren't before you know, I think it has got like a a mentality just being like pointed all the time, you know So a use fell for a while it when you want on opening day in that they had been harassed by hunter. They were just relax and away, they were invulnerable locations and I think, maybe you agree with this- that hurt. just at its behaviour, so much Eventually I do justice behaviour a lot in order to learn how to cope with the new threat, but think of it

reverse, if you, if you think about take a drive also national park. Also now and the alcohol, those are scared, shitless of wolves. They're scared, shitless grizzlies what they do, care about. Are human beings? Ok, so you'll have elk feeding ten twenty if from your car, oblivious to your presence? Now because they know you there, they don't care right, yellowstone hasn't been actively hunted for over a hundred years. Ok, so choke a property. They have ruled out humans as being something to be worried about. So when they're out baking oh feed, in the area where maybe there safe from work, wolves are safer from walls where they can see around or whatever, but all at the same time to write the worried about their proximity people if from tomorrow, you start saying that you don't want. Let a handful of hunters every come in the also national part into start taken power.

The that these elk, come in and stay like. These are stupid. They did stand there and let you shoot em but but because they haven't adjusted to the threat. Yet you know right It's all with walls they will eventually. Hopefully they will Reach some kind of like technological stalemate. What would they seem like a little bit better to withstand the kind of pressure? One hostess are to happen. At the same time, you the care of contain a whittled down, the wolf numbers just manage and, like you would anything else, you know this because there are devastating. Not so much so devastate because a renewable resource, the renewable resource there's hunter interest in them. It's improving by most people, who don't have a political axe to grind that we can maintain a harbours, thou, wolves without

destroying the resource are damaging. The resource, like you, maintain a viable population of the same. We try to maintain a viable population. Them outlines bob by bears We rebuild our young now liner, so incredibly plentiful and knew tat, for example, that when you get your fishing licence, it come automatically with amount mountain lion. Tech is that So I was amazed at that like when you apply for a fishing license. Look it up whether you have one or not. When you apply for fishing license, you get an automatic tag for for a mountain lion license. I was amazed when you think of that yams, California, No, no useful gay hotlines, utah Meanwhile ones is attacked a kid in silicon valley to hear about those cooper, dino, it's kid got attacked by a mountain line. His father out of yes m outlined get around. He added cops did cops fundamental, I killed it. They got the dna from the kids jacket,

when they showed them outline. The do the other you, the other. I want you to have the right one in colorado, six euros walking between our family, and my lunch came out. Book took her to graff, not though now killer took. maybe I'm not a big fan of what was that four or five years: oh okay, I'm not a big fan of cat. That's a terrible tragedy! I mean that's like what, in the world allow me this is worse than a car women. In other respects, I mean it's so rare, like how many Maybe I really been killed by bound lines real every twenty years, man here that's like that's, that's more like what those one more online fatality. Every one is so rare man, it's so rare, You know what I heard recently was a number years. I'll was saying: did you see this? the last time a bow hunter was killed by a great lake. Much as boy when you're home boning for help you count calling you made in your mimicking the sound

what a cow it hit. A nice calico, yeah yeah Grizzlies here that yeah they hear that and they hunt the sound so borders are frequently like, just in my own sir, extended circle like friends of friends every year, a guys that are calling in grizzlies I'll, try and a coil I couldn't believe is not a bow. Hunters may kill the rocky mountain in ITALY, these twenty five years. Why grizzlies yeah for you what was going on, I saw a rifle on one wrote a statement saying that it was happened. Shark Adams orders John Adams, uneasy I go go. Gray, hundreds been writing a lot more about a lot more self than I, rather than my life when it comes to hunting made the mistake of saying like how sometimes borders do get killed,

of course they do get killed and in some one of the reasons is know, in fact, they don't there's no record of born angles. Ben long from babylon for back onto hunters and anglers was the one that one of sand and no it doesn't have breakaway? once every twenty years. I think it's once every twenty years, kids are more vulnerable. The riots and ladys joggers, particularly you look like some alai wants a snack. You look like some has run away to probably some scared at the wedding. I say goodbye to fishing licences. I see that Well, fishing license! Look it up It told that by my father it is I mean, there's like a handful of reasons why it wouldn't be doesn't seem to make salami in an epic. We have one hundred lies now. I'm curious. My father told me that my father did he just got. Is he just going to he lives in utah? you gonna fishing licence and he said, you get an automatic tat for a moment ago. I think he maybe gotta visually.

we're. Almost all of them were not able to resolve because they want, but we can regarding. How can we go now, though, what he probably guy? They probably sent him because he has named everything. They probably be saying. The lion application permit application mammy her regardless three lines these do you like a lot, and I think it's only was in three lines: jason, who janius guided for line the cold war and scale fitters a guide. What they got dealt arizona, the god mexico around their car on, the jazz. How anyhow he lines you see. This was largely behind his binoculars. He some lookin for number. Thirty. Five right now: oh wow, you seen these the glass thirty five light on what he does lived, the eyes binoculars for it great portion the guy, who was, I think, they're the whitefish game or while answers whatever I murmured.

he had to step down. He was in california and he ordered amount lie very legally in those days and an they flipped out on here lies academy. While people are like listen the the amount of money that the parks make on hunting license, and so that's what supports you know. The habitat and the maintain the maintenance of the habitat, etc. And all the other thing is a real problem with California right. It's ideologically driven and doesn't really have anything to do with managing wildland yeah. They have, like california, actually has some like outspoken, anti hunting people who were on their fish What the commission is hilarious, usually called fishing game and there's a lot of states where it's not fish and game, but California was fishing game in California. Just became not fishy game that you can like fish and wildlife to sort of disassociate with the term game which is sort of like jack occasion of animal,

I feel bad people, California, the hammered all timely, because it was first that you can't lines with a dog. Then you can't have all not as a big thing to have like no dog hunting whatsoever. We're like no dog hunting mammals or something of any. They still have bear hunting, but they don't have bear with dogs yeah, and so let's get rid of that when we were at the home ranch, there were saying it's pointless to hunt bears without dogs. You can't bait, you can't use dogs Then you can't find bears in that area, be tough manner without other states like saying you can't run bears a dog you can't wait bears brazil, but the the topography warrants itself despots dark bear out and which is really good. You know, and and- and like like main this november, very likely through the humane society. Maine likely november vote down. Bear baiting portions partly funded entirely by humane society, but they put it to a referendum. They headed up before it lost by a few points, its common.

got now love you will think it'll pass. No, I do a bathing ban on bears and main but mains largely flat, heavily vegetated to ban baiting forebears, as is essentially to ban, bear owning, and they know this. You know, lots of people. I go after hunting stuff, as they try like isley out little like what they can do, fringe activities, because our his poor. They did this poll zone saying that people do you support. person's right to hunt. You know I have getting it whatever it is. I can They was seventy six percent of the population like yes do the same porn, ass people, specific questions in this. it's going down alone, Support someone's is right to hunt by drops so like they like the idea of it, but this sufficiency of it expressly things I baiting. Do you know what it want feels like its trophy happen. It feels like year not really there's no skill involve that's what it feels

right so and you say we're in a bait the baron should it. It feels like target, but most people are against hunting bears at all I would imagine if you just put an online pole on facebook, saint Helena people or or pro bear hunting, be a giant number began to weep I propose to you. I remember you are really uneasy about the area where your phone is going to be good to eat. Yeah. I wanted to hunt deer the first time our one on one hand I was like man bear. I dunno about all that, having shot a bare now and the a bear, their great d, you did they they data's good day they taste good? It's not like you have to convince yourself, and I argue with people on line. There were Give me a hard time. There were actually hunters there would tell you can't tell me bear is- is good to eat it's ridiculous. been honey. My whole life of everyone knows his bare days off my you're crazy. Your you know you have eaten. I'm telling you from the flesh. In my

ass. He chewing it there. It tastes good doesnt. Better bad, all that this growth, depending upon great just because someone is a great honour- does not make them a good cook of wild game to rent. We are also people have attitudes about certain animals where they just discard the meat in others people that have no problem, we were in camp where we're we're in honey, cam. There's this one guy that was with us who would not eat the bare made just would need the berry, shouted the gas put bear mit also because, like there's always been a history of you know you, certain things you don't need right, so so mountain liner of a bear, especially try, and they can. Those in our mind I highly tastes, really good. It's really good issued now mine is good, is really work really like what size my worst. It's a mountain lion burgers once and then that night I had a dream that amount mountain eat me that now member a start

Those least I'll ask. I would imagine, though, the animal we already don't motorway burger ruth smile about my wife said I smelled differently. I came home a barrel. I've been eaten, bear checks, smell different sources. like a killer perception smell man. Sir said it was weird the ashes you smell like like threatening air, It is like one. I wonder if, like predators, doo doo grisly thing, the greens bear bear cod. her mile man know you're making. Eureka is one area where quick but whole smelting mile, Well, the kid had a friend who deering during dear season, oh me like leafy greens and carrots and stuff, but make sense the restroom my real anywhere else. Now I meet here. He really felt it

watching on hunting shows guys eat, spruce tree needles. ensure that too, because your breath, apparently that's that's the thing that the animals really smell does want to make use of all the charcoal and views clothing and like saying control, clothing, put all of you will say, but do your whole your speech like smell factory man's as you exhaling, and they pray but good, suddenly areas. I would know how to read from like hundred yards away. Timber net said that he was hunting once and I think he said two hundred yards. He said he would. Downwind two hundred yards. He saw an animal guy tat. He knew the animal winded. Emily ran off to absolute absolute, this, nothing to an yards nothin, that's audible! It is incredible to the animal ya'll. Yes go.

Wind, who aim from him to the animal two hundred yards away. Absolutely I he might have said three. I think you might assume that that's astounding to me, but he was like. I can't believe that thing can smelly. It's also interesting that smell particles would travel that quickly. Well, TIM was also talking about some knuth product. It's like Those blocker knows jammer sent jammer, it's called You saw her that I've seen it it does, some tears all can confuses the hell out of their like. He who you are you are you pulled it out and I are you you put it on you and like that. You could see the dear like on the deal. Put his nose up in the air but stayed there didn't run off, but it was like what is this. like you was just confusing. It was, as you say, it's com backbone now So I got a thing: it's called send jammer daily, my account:

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I'd casserole about creditors, it arrested in the mainland, eating errors, you smell it. I wasn't ready. First, bear up. First marietta guided wanting to bear Yeah boyd this guy, he shot to them the need any of it. I wonder when people are uneasy with bare hon. I is the key his magic megaphone thing at play. Where in mean. There's cares right that they stand up on their back feet or the writer Jim Harrison role here drums boys. We saw a guy guides, get out a bear Then he had a hang and and The commented, the it is like a dude hangar, other big skinned out due to hang in there and he didn't want anything to do with it. You know so there's that. And then there's also probably just the legacy them the bare huh have kind of creative for themselves about all that These no girl, Onawandah eat me, certainly doesn't help a case.

Eddie prevalent. I was amazed at how much backlash I got online, not just from non hunters which are expected, but from hunters who said you know, hunters wooden, hunt, predators, didn't, hunt bare and said it's ridiculous that you hunt bear because you don't even eat it and you're talking about I'm so glad there him right now. There's a real area. Have opportunities magical people say that oftentimes The really saying is because of my personal situation, how I was brought up where I live? I dont hunt bears, I told us story a hundred times where else it- and I noticed guy in south carolina- did, has dear blind. He calls the condo ok and he built a heated stew. sure with windows all around it and he has office chairs in it in lead. Sleds set up in this is hot by a bunk bed in a microwave all the others. In his haunting line in radiating out from the condo

are shooting lanes, he's got planet in clover, now fell for the run out, like spoke of a wheel so their role round and rolling off his chair may nets. I do he raises farm dear well, he says, where do you live and do you know? How can you be sure you do draw, you would have the best time over their continent. This thing, berries, open. This thing with them for dear to come out I'm tellin him how, let it go out to hunt I ground lions such mean. I'm gonna go out with a friend who runs lions with how's in the desert and its much more difficult to run lions and the snow, because one thing the dogs can't tell what way the lion went so have snow. You can leave the deuce the direction the lions travel, the dogs lose track. You can pick the track back up again. Is there in the snow, and you can tell a lot about the antiquity of the trail.

the age of the track, based on when the snow fell. What looks like like snow holds tracks and if way than our stuff, putting them in the desert. Your dogs might be run in a line you're just never going to see a track from you know and then are the skills is build? A red sign find the track judged from the dead, behavior? What do they think tracks ha or not all these, His plan is the most difficult they have ever been involved with, or one of the most difficult things I've ever been involved with honey. It was telling him I want to go. Do this and he's up in his rolling office chair in the condo turn music. I don't see the challenge and something like that sounds like she's people like when they're like. Oh, I don't want, bears in a way to hunt bears dude cause. Your dad pride in hunt bears try to live in a bear hunting area right.

It did get a hold of some bear made. Somebody cook did poorly yeah, so poorly you build up. It's like you build up what you do and don't do based on a budget. Isn't after awhile a bunch of arbitrary things and after a while, I think it starts to feel like a code of ethics to you when, in fact it's just like you just do what you were brought up doing that there is a difference, though I mean, I think that when you, when you see somebody and you walk in- and you say, I'm a trophy hunter, they have. No walks says a lot about. I'm just saying that that people's minds. I think when you hunt dear, I notice notice that when you handier they go, people go well dear in europe. Is a continent for the meat little, but like a cow, it's a forest cow. Where I can't forest gas. Will you hunt? We go, kill an elephant. Let's just take the extreme. A noble animal like enough We always put those kind of words on that kind of thing: a paki derm. They got family structures and stuff

viscerally. There is even less thirteen years of their kids yeah. And so visually there's a very different feel. You know, lions, those kinds of things is a very different reaction. I think, its its primary a positive one, and in terms of the fact that I think people just go. You doing that you're killing this noble. For animal feed. Your own sort of either ego or could you wanna ted on your wall, and I think that that's where people can have, and I think that it very human thing you know it's really. I run it the same guy. Who would need the bare told me them delicious media ever had was elephant. Why these contrary and man. No, no, no, no! No! It's very nice guy wasn't a country and at all he just was saying. Like when elephant awning and they the exact spot to cut out a steak, and it

from inside the arm inside the leg, and he said I am telling you it was delicious, it's delicious me Wow, I never should. First of all, I needed the villagers eight to me, but I would never assume that it was so good that like However, the columbia, especially a guy who won't even need a bear we're elephants hunted by like then in that area of africa. I wonder no one difficulty our to bring while, like you know, they like his luckily they would kill draft those poison, darts yeah drive, is the ideal throughout asia will do in the fifties where they had a draft the poison dart alma. Like him around me, they fall for three or four days to fight it's bomb and dies and they chop it up. Have you ever seen that video this the old school bow hunter? Wasn't fred bear, but was one of those guys like that? Who is somebody you know? Like

miranda type adventure bowhunter from like the nineteen forties or whatever it was yeah nah, laura la Haba who's that dude. You know who the other guy, that he tells his name like shot to kill the over the longboat man. The app yea shall novel, I mean he was our own. It was ills either paupers saxon pauper. Our young was a world not remember that there are now with a bow due not only to kill an alpha bow, but he stuck tat. it's full of arrows. I mean he had assured a bunch of times he's pulling a bow is a bow bow like not like a compound. From hoisted. We only get high wire, regular bow and the guy kept shootin it and I work, and it was screwy video, because It was very clear that the sound in the video is not the actual sound of the encounter

added in in post, ledge, romantic or movie shop would yeah like there's a video of mass warriors, throwing like five or six of them. Throwing these the data. I don't have you no mass I've, the biomass from from kenya tall. six everywhere traditionally used to live says they total carnivores. They live on. Bouts of course a high fat milk a day, and they would tap the vein of their cattle and drink the blood, and that was primarily their diet. Then they would eat meat when they could afford it and you see these maza five six and with those long spears. throwing them into a male lion. Do they're, just coming up, got, run and foam, and that lion basically has five long spears and it starts to baulk at just dies and lyon lion that part of africa are very whereas humans, they will run away from you. They do not,

that even when they hunt lyon on horseback lions, give chase did we we ve talked this many times other pod gases, the hunting in africa, controversy, and I really like the peace that you wrote about honey in africa like this whole thing about what this controversy involving this young girl going there and that you were. You know essentially saying that a lot of the differences, the way people were watching her. It's sexist, if, if it was a man that it was, there was doing the same thing, there would be some blow back, but not as much. There is some dude ill of garlic The phone company is all it says up, goes to shot a couple of elephant elaborate and put up facebook, page kyoto, at zero visits.

or a lot of no one, what occurred very little very little, and unless you re you're saying how they kind of attack that little in pieces and oh yeah you're way out or our regions into the full girl from texas was a cheer leader and she want to be she once to stephen our swords? We have seen over a female now, so trying to like be a part of the hunting in a professional hunting munifi, so that is rare, because women of traditional never been hunters. Men have right, well sort ever lay I point out, except they think that there is very low sexual dimorphism in neanderthals thoughts. They think that maybe neanderthal women hunrad along Airbus stars why they died off now. What's a little green, dad's way law like you, join us. On the other hand, we have generally been away longer run. The wool have be think they were europe. Five hundred thousand years before we were yeah, will be here for millions of years knowing well I've. I've predict

Already I shall be lyrical ever was being the world's only six thousand years old. I don't know what you're talkin about correct, but one of the things that I find disturbing the whole africa thing is There's a lot of these like these, but hunting shows these people go over there to collect. I gotta get one of these and one of those and they do it in these high fence joints It's just it's weird man I forgot to do as south africa. When someone goes to south africa, they're hunting like say like. If you go to south africa, you put hunting fence property. If you go to new zealand issued a large red deer, you shoulda unfenced ground, these three hundred and read you come on new zealand,

but here, but who, on here's important part those animals were literally on the verge of extinction before these high fence operations came into play. So it's such a catch. Twenty two on one hand, you see well that's a renewable resource, and these animals are actually very plentiful and then no longer worried about extinct being extinct, but on the other hand, during a yard, its essentially a yard, and maybe the ten thousand acres, but is it thousand acre fenced in yard, in you know. I was always the argument. If you want to save the animals, make it profitable, jahannam that leslie argument for texas, when they did, but the biggest that the biggest threat that was more habitat yeah. I think it's out there, but it definitely pays to have hunt. It definitely pays to have onto your interest. I mean if you look at like you. Look at all these things that have got these organizations nasa wild turkey federation roy came out now. Foundation. Dogs are limited. Trot alluded you today is that these are powerful.

political organisations have little impact, they have a lot of money and thereby, around people's love of hunting for our fishing for these species. In a winds being like you can't really get away with messing with these animals cause. These people are gonna come after you make your life hell if you're gonna destroy habitat right, so it does not on the individual says they on an individual says that you just get shot as that sucks, think about animals and individuals as a thing about, like a population level causing an if you our concern about the long term viability of a population of animals in this country. and apparently in many countries in africa and certainly in canada, it pays If people want to kill you, if I So I of people have if the people are motivated, transistors desires for trophies me. Whatever What for you, you have? You have more

political clout, as has been the exact like deal, you worry about the populations of elephants, right even rhinos, but if you will to shoot an elephant you pay, I think it's like thirty thousand dollars and you can shoot a fuckin elephant when I want to show- and this is where it was really really bothered me- because call it a bow hot, so this guy. Gets out there. He sticks. His bow, dixon arrow into this elephant, elephant charges them and then guide blows, one through the orphans brain. And the elephants down arrow hitler fatal. probably eventually, maybe later, the town was I I don't know they go to bled our might have led out it. I don't think the guy was born a hard enough bow. I mean, I think you know. You're gonna kill an elephant china lot of animal by products. They wait, ten thousand pounds from the reason it was an enormous half and out of my way about ten thousand pellets. So these guys about thirty yards away. He,

it's the elephant with the arrow. The arrow or elephant, recognizes immediately that this guy with the bow is the one who shot them starts and towards them, and the guy I boom blows, the elephant in the brain and then there's congratulating him on his kill and I'm like what yeah what what is this? This is weird. I think that alternative? If you do, make hunting profitable. Then what have people are anti hunting. The alternative is what to it force a ban hunting with laws doesn't work will have. Will you jerry? You have massive poaching, probable yeah Look at it! This way, how many people donate thirty thousand dollars to keep elephant populations healthy exact?

is it even one I mean. Maybe you'd have to run some kind of drive. Good luck, yeah you're not going to have the turn of the year too was his name. You will know what you're right. I mean. That's a very good point. It's a very good point, because there's no other way to generate that amount of money. I mean think of how many people get hunting tags I mean how many people get. Why del dear ties us actually you're saying about california, its ideological and and I think, We kind of ideology, you know, that's the enemy, that's that's! Where that's, where rationality and and figuring out, what's best for the animal? Actually, you know that even to someone like me who enjoys hunting its disturbing. I don't like it at all. seeing it I don't like it. I don't like the idea behind it. I don't like seeing these slow be goofy fox. hop on planes and go These animals, in someone's yard, it just seems weird to me. The whole thing seems off

it doesn't seem. Legit no they're settling while there's nothing wrong with farming I enjoy in a steak. I don't think so. Wrong with farming, but when you take These wild animals in your pretending that your thing, but really your kind of doing some pseudo farming type thing you that's really. go, and it's like you should efficient, a barrel, literally we're issued vision a barrel. That's really what you doin. There was a big you, cracked you and I make this forward with jesse helms or someone like, I know I can't tell pornography is leno now supreme justice. I was I was there when it. When it came to the supreme court. Would guy was I can't area? No, no was the way it was. Oh gosh, isolated, clarence, thomas no, but he said Michael Jackson, thurgood mar lighted and robert bork borg mindset arrows

care member here I don't know. I don't like pornography. I know when I say yes, so there is one that's what they I feel about. As far as fair chase, it is difficult to define, is difficult to define down fair chase. Milk has also like at all agree with fence honey like to me feel like farming in your bullshitting yourself and others when you act like is hiding view like what If I'm hunting offence places like twelve thousand acres, you know what bigger than an individual animals home rain, shorter, Stuart, our understood. Its use. I was gonna believe whatever so fuck that guy they'll, put our something like that. You, like, ok, yeah. In that case, maybe that's were so I know like it so hard for you sit down and civic virtue. Zoning is black, but some stuff just not right. You know it

only what is fair on by till dear prince whales- island dear that's fair in the rain and fog yeah, where jason back, but I really no idea if we hard and keep a good attitude. In in in really get out there impounded, even if the weather's bad, I think we'll do good. If we were going there and the weather was going to be good and it's not. If we were going, there was good. I think we would have just fantastic on. I think we'd be become back every night with with deer, but it's just you know you get the win The fog, the rain things get hard things miserable virtues. yeah, then, when he, this to our thirty

well. I think you're asleep, because our our our audience, we don't have the amount of drug takers that your audience does. That's not what it is or what it is. It's commuters. It's like you you by imposing a time you know like look. If someone down pod gassed. Most people have enough room when their phone or on their whatever their computer, wherever they put it, they have had enough. for three hours or five hours or whatever they delete the old ones when they run on time, but when someone, a plane or when someone Zob like driving, that's why I think they appreciate long podcast, some sure yeah, but did after listening all of it. If everybody was telling me when I first started doing podcasts you gotta edit. This is one of the earliest complain to earth pieces of advice they have. That was the even ari was one of the that's right of what what do I do realise? What was the idea that just because I want I do three hours you are as real as long as a really good movie man. Now my my my personal

thanked was I enjoy talking to people long periods of time. I think the conversations they make they take turns and as long as my attention span is there, While I'm having a conversation, why stop it keep role? Are you tired? He turned a target if you're, not tire jargon, let's keep talkin. That's always been my my feelings. I think that the we're getting your conversation a conversation, is It plays out as a non intimate it's not like a movie. Obviously, a movie is far more difficult to make, but there are turns in twists and you find out more about a person and you get to understand ass, a person style of communicating in while while you're talking to someone when you do a podcast gas, especially when you're the host of applaud cask as you thinking about entertain, a value of it or how it should be. Conversely, think give added about it, not just as a person whose engaged in conversation- but a person who might be listening to this. I want to try to

A devils advocate as much as possible started covers many points of view as possible, and I also I'm kind of understanding this person style of communicating and I'm sure, to figure out a way to not over them pause as much as possible or give them as much of an opportunity to expound and their ideas. That takes time- and I think that you know some podcasts are bailed on on a day after two hours, or did you bar has borne really thanks a lot man to say. I to tell remember that mitch Hedberg joke about taken attention. Deficit disorder. Drugs, even though, is not afflicted the guy who said he runs around saying. Man has gotta be more to that story. Yeah that hilarious, some people are just like you know all the dimitri martin was like. He said he was doing a joke and he goes One thing you ever hear somebody said: can we start guide talk more about himself

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