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intimidation, collapses, sickening heap and Steve Ban and challenges all that european talisman to a fistfight out back behind the bar, we'll discuss all this and more on this In addition, the editors are much lower and I'm joined, as always by the right honourable Charles, see W cook and at the baseball crank Dan Mcloughlin. This week's edition is sponsored by ring and texture, both of whom you hear more about in due course. So Dan what'd you make up spat with Bob Corker that erupted on Sunday morning. If I'm not mistaken, with three trump tweets, it seemed occasioned by, if not occur,

her interview on a Sunday show discussion, obviously of of quarters criticisms of Trump the prior week or so on. A Sunday show and Corker immediately hit back with. Actually a pretty good tweet, I suspect, was a product of of much. Deliberation among Corker and so that the AIDS, because it was it, was very, very good. Was it tell us that present trump as warring with the senior member of his party's O caucus in the Senate. Why take the most important part of them just observing that this is insane and things don't normally happened like this, which I guess this is what we do every week. But the most important thing is that he's not worrying with a senior Republican he's forming with a senior outgoing

But again- and I think that's That'S- going to be one of the real themes here and the fact that Trump induces this kind of reaction among people who have decided that they are not going to face. The voters again, probably, is pretty good sign that there is a whole lot of other republic senior Republicans in D C, who feel this way and don't feel free to say it out loud in front of the voters, which is a depressing thing to think of when you consider what You know what a democratic system is supposed to look like, but enough. Fundamentally, on the other hand, it there is fundamentally the fact that Corker is a guy who has always been more of an. I guess establishment guy a DC guy, then necessarily you, no real hard core, conservative and so

If anything, you're gonna see a guy like that get more rather than less prickly when he reaches the point that he feels like he's, gotta step outside of the comfort zone of being a party. Man is surely something I think cork girl, the World WAR, three thing that that Trump is risking getting ascended world or three, I think, as is obviously way over the top. But Corker is completely correct, that almost every republican centre thinks the same way that he does about Donald Trump and one of the central. Features of the Trump phenomenon is the whispered conversation in know, we've probably all encounter this, were you be with someone who, in all their public commentary, never allows the slightest bit of daylight between him or herself and Donald Trump, and then, when the carers offer their not right,

in order to speaking. I can't believe this guy, you know he's out of his mighty screwing it all up. But that's that's always some enough said SARA vote. It is extremely difficult if you're in their position the choices before you are Lamb, Bast, tar, Trump in public and alienate enough of your voters to

I think Jeff Flake, maybe about to experience the ad go all in on Trump and sell your soul and your independence and perhaps keep winning but lose any respect you might have gained from those who are not republican parties ends or all accept that the Democratic Party is going to win for the next few cycles review. If you think it is more important as the senator to tell the truth about Donald Trump than to have a republican president,

You know you might go down the flake rude, but if you think it's more important have a republican president, the? U can perhaps constrain than you might go down the route. Many other african scientists have the point being there's just no good option here now. It's it's extremely easy to say that more people should behave as Coca has, preferably before they retire. Or just flake has and that we would like to live in a culture in which politicians say exactly what they think at all times. I'm just not convinced that a political party is ever going to do that, and not just because it has its own survival in mind, but because it will see the downsides to handing the keys to the other team. If you are, for example, pro life, you might look at our champion.

say there is a person who is who is unfit for office. But if we allow the Democrats to take the Senate and Hillary Clinton back in two thousand sixteen to annul the next candidate to win, then an awful lot of babies are gonna, die I don't think that's an obviously other than as an easy decision for many people to make it easy for me as a writer, because my job is just at any point to say exactly what I think, but I I do sympathise with Republicans in in Congress, because this is this is not some sort of of game to them. You'll corset

you'll have to be a thousand years old. When you know rich, I think they d. The other point that you raised that's interesting is: is this idea that that all of these things that are sort of saying an obvious and true have become things we can't say out loud, not that we can, but that people in Washington can't- and the irony of it is that that is a direct result of trump running an entire campaign full of saying things out loud that people felt they ought not to us here said out loud and so he's kind of a you know, created this sort of inversion in which you can be rude and belligerent and politically incorrect, but you can actually point out that the emperor has no clothes Yelena saying that is,

whispered conversations as mostly meaning among commentators. I think the position of republican senators is very awkward. It's not that difficult to figure out what they should do. They shouldn't say anything, that's on true about this guy. They shouldn't be completely in the tank embarrassingly, so in disgrace themselves, and counter things if they ve said forever, but they shouldn't go out of their way to to provoke him and to fight him. I think it was. It was profoundly foolish of Flake in I admire him a lot of ways to write that book. What do you do? It is very important if, if you think there's a battle for the soul, the Republican Party which will

talk about that. A little later, dont make it harder for yourself, which is I, which I think flake did by publishing that book on necessarily yes, I should say, as insofar as commentators are doing, that I think is appalling. The job of the commentator is to say what they think and to describe the world as they see I am not entirely sure that I agree with you on on flake. Providing flake is willing to lose,

in the old proverb down fosters favorite proverb. The spanish proverb take what you want, but pay for. It applies here if Jeff Flake believes that it is more important for him to jump into this debate long term than it is for him to be a senator and ours owner, then what he did make sense, and perhaps he's right as there is still a question hanging over this presidency. It was a question that we discussed at length during the primary and especially during the general election last year as to whether a Donald Trump victory would be pyrrhic. Now there are many on the right who believe it well, who think that very little will be achieved that the republican brand will be destroyed. The Democrats will sweeping and wave of Anti Trump sentiment and that this will leave the country and a worse place,

than it would have been had Hillary Clinton one, and then there are those who believe Hugh closer to the flight. Ninety three thesis that this was the key moment the Republicans had to win that they had to get these judges in not just at the Supreme Court, but in the circuit court too, in the lower court that a bomb a care had to be stopped. That we would have been on the verge given ahead are effectively of other progressive intrenchment. Now I am not entirely sure which of those I agree with more Jeff Ladys, so it does make sense if your him, what what I just don't like is when people who don't have to weigh that sort of responsibility are mealy mouthed, and I think too much of the commentary falls into that group. Well, what when you definition of what a commentator does, I think is to a certain scribe, because I cannot accommodate us

say what their bosses well tell him to say or or think it's all about? any money or building an audience. Also take your taking point, though, on on flake and I'm all in favor of of losing causes and losing crusades. God knows you know what natural view we leave back. Many of them, but just seems to me on his own terms, is much more important to beat Kelly Ward I might add that it is too to publish a book here. Although all I will say I I still would put decent money on flag to win their primary, because it seems that the the opposition to flake issues not gonna be able to resist the temptation to pile like four or five candidates against him and there's no run so you know, I have a hard time seeing flake clearing fifty percent of the vote. But if the Anti Flake opposition is divided, he could easily, when the primary now that they leave enough lingering hard feelings that he still doomed

but I would not counting about winning that nomination just yet said. and let's hit on it the tiller thing, which has been running of a week or more now. It just seems every other day, there's something that we'd never experienced in the history of United government politics before Secretary of State pretty assuredly having called a president, a moron within earshot of lots of other people and not being able to deny it weighs called on it and then a pro The United States several days later, challenging him to an iq test and saying that he smarter than him. These are just jawdropping developments, but it's the world. We live in your well. Yet again, it's not supposed to be like this. It's not usually like this. The most to me.

Big thing is that you know tellers and didn't actually deny that he had called Trump a moron and Trump is reacting as if he believes the tellers and called him a moron and yet trumpet hasn't fired him. That's the amazing thing here, a trump really seems to be. He really seems to be concerned that he can't get rid of his own cabinet yeah, Charlie, sit feels to me like this is a decent interval operation where they'll be some decent interval, where he can torrent can depart with some grace but They don't want him to go now, because it would would be chaotic that have a third opening right servant. Three, they have Ds Hs and of total. What now they

state all you know almost a year with an administration open as it is at that ever happened before. I think, probably, if you go back to the nineteenth century, when you know congresses out a session for months, yeah I mean is this looks in some ways almost looks like the Andrew Johnson administration. We need a president who was at loggerheads with his cabinet and couldn't get rid of them or Adams for that matter. So try, but at the same just at another generation of this fixed psychological aspect of Donald Trump, or he can't let any critics some girl, it doesnt matter whether the person is criticising is usually powerful or completely insignificant, or a Democrat or a communist or a high.

number of his own government. I do know why anyone would agree to work for Donald Trump, given the track record that we ve seen it's difficult to work out how he sees his cabinet because he talks about it as if its divorced from him ass. If it was voice,

did on him by the Senate rather than as if its members work for him and answer to him. He almost speaks as if he exist within a parliamentary system and has to tolerate certain members of his own party in order to exist as the prime minister. But, of course that's not how the american system works. You might be a little bit in this regard of of Barack Obama, who never did this with his own cabinet. Boot often talk of Washington as if he were an observer in Nebraska and of course he was the president of the United States, whose enormously powerful lose this huge cultural figure. Donald Trump has a similar tendency, but I think it's far more pronounced heap. He talks of the Republicans as if their

different group as if they're, not his own party talks. If Rex tell a sensitive tell us in making decisions on his own and Trump is on MSNBC discussing them with Chris Matthews, he talks about the Senate as if it his enemy. Now I'm offers separation of powers. I'd like to see a much greater distance between the White House in the Senate, but it is extremely weird and, and one cannot help but wonder whether complexity is entirely aware. The structure that did he heads up- I just I don't know how you can expect to attract the best people outside of perhaps military members who feel obliged in some way to serve their country. If this is how you treat those under you know, he called Rex tell us and wonderful, but then he said he was way,

sing his time with North Korea and execute, and we have to assume trumps policy. He is is quite. Why would you assume that Well, no, I mean that's what I'm saying you should assume. Normally one woman normally assume it it'll be trumps policy that, but maybe it's not, and I just wonder: is there anybody who is going to look at this job if it becomes available if you're right and there will be as short interval in firing or resignation and say? That's where I want to be, especially with these issues heating up in North Korea and with the IRAN deal and with Russia would you put yourself in that situation unless you're on the make? I'm not sure I certainly does limit the personnel pull. There's no doubt about it, but certainly a petition like that, though, I think as alluring enough that you'd have key people talking themselves into either

I shall sum house, or via the scarlet and away others haven't and or it's a patriarch duty to serve their position so exit question. This portion of the the pot cast down the winner in your estimation of the Trump V Corker spat, is in one corner, Donald Thee, Donald Trump or in the other corner, little Bob Corker Corker, the winner, I think, is the newspapers I think its trump, because what what this spat has shown is that, even if you are prepared to come up with what was an extreme good thing that you at the moment at least, have to retire in order to be free enough to send it. If I see it, sent it to stop behaving like this and then seek re election, maybe I'll wonder: if comes

has diminished but until now from remains where he is, culture is going and he only felt free to speak like this once he had announced his resignation. I think Trump is the winner in the sense that republican voters are a with him and if their primary, we got to choose between the two in IRAN and a hundred times trumpet when every single time. But thank you. The loser in the sense that he blew that went out as wait, a blue blood this up as exacted some pain from him unnecessarily and at the margins, gonna think Bob Corker. The way some people rushed to say is gonna vote against tax reform, despite Don Trump because of this flap, but as a human being

and at the margins and makes it a little more difficult for him to get on side when push comes to shove and then increases the complications and intentions just with the Senate caucus when it was already pretty easy to see tax reform going down, and this made it harder rather than easier and attack Foreign goes down, it's it's a real blow to the presidency. So let me before we move on to Harvey Weinstein's talk a little bit about whenever sponsors today, texture dot com. Why subscribe it just a couple of magazines when you have all your favorites on your smartphone or tablet all the time for a way less with texture you get access to dozen all for one low price right now textures offing editors listeners a fourteen day free trial when you go to texture dot com, Slash editor, the texture has gone beyond delivering just amazing itself. They ve made it easy to fall

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so what am I to me yesterday? I forget the actress who was winning some award and empty said? Well now you no longer needed to pretend to Europe like or be attracted to Harvey wines deeds. So if this was an open secret, why did stay a secret, Priscilla yeah? I think this is a number of reasons for that is clearly. What do you think? That's most astounding to me. If you look at it from Weinstein's perspective, in a sense is what a vast amount of his own money and power and attention seems to have been devoted solely to covering his tracks on this stuff. But clearly he was a guy who was wasn't. Is you know a bully somebody who understood well how to orchestrate legal threats

Obviously all you know, the threat of a libel suit is something that all that will cause any publication to move slowly. He was clearly you know one of the one of the most that was laid out in the new Yorker article led the Roman Pharaoh published, which is itself an interesting story as to how that ended up in the new Yorker and not on NBC, where Farrah works. Was that you know when, when women were starting to speak out even privately wine would arrange for blind items in the gossip papers, maligned them in an attempt to preemptively undercut their credibility. He clearly had an enormous operation to carry out vindictiveness,

you know in the sky was was just a major player who could really make or break a lot of a lot of careers mean the fact that that you know that that he had this ongoing business to buy a script, swim. Various people who were in journalism in other an awful lot of insidious ways in which people were on the take from him more afraid of him. That may be didn't really even realize until the, came when suddenly somebody was asking them to write a story that reflected badly on him, and maybe we can't go there s a Charlie. It's really amazing. He had the kind of power and in

set you dissociate from, Inter Alia, a major Moldova battle days of high would, but the battle day is probably never disappeared. Maybe they never do cause, because this is human nature, but just the predation that was involved and the ability to squelch anyone who was was gonna bring it up is really extraordinary. It's scary, and I think it shows you were fear, lies in in any culture. Hollywood is fond of explaining that the president is Hitler. The president, the fascist presidencies, destroy the country ass. We know it. I'm a critic of the president's. I've always thought that was hyperbolic and- and I especially do now, having read this Harvey Weinstein's story and indeed re read the story before it about Roger Ales people

our silent when they are scared and Hollywood was evidently scared of Harvey Winston they're, not silent about abortion or gun control or the Republican Congress or Jeff sessions or President Trump. They were silent about Harvey wines in that's because they believed perhaps knew that wine steam could do them harm that he could destroy that career that he could destroy their reputation. Get isolate them within their chosen field. That is power and ass. You say this is a man who wielded that power pretty well, it was nice, but evidently unknown. This was what he was like, and it wasn't just that people may have heard a room here or that they may have heard snippet and they may be-

I'm willing to say something less. They be hit with a libel suit that they couldn't appropriately defend. People have gone to bat for Harvey, Weinstein, Matt, Damon and Russell Crow. It seems intervene, more than ten years ago to squelch his story in the New York Times. That would have told the world what he was doing across Matt Damon as I've never heard anything like this. This is shocking to me. I would have stopped it if I'd known, Well, you did know the allegations were their view. Squelch the story, but this is once again instructive. It is, is revealed its revealed, behaviour and The fact that a lot of people are coming out now underscores that I dont think that you can criticise

Everybody involved for staying quiet there are power dynamics at play. Here is he he obviously was was potent. I do think that there are people who had the positions and the connections and the authority to have done something this earlier, and if we find out that they in any way colluded with wine Stayin or in any way covered up knowledge of a crime, then this will cease to be a horrible and salacious story, and it will look like something that the police and the courts need to get involved with rather

just the new Yorker and MSNBC in the New York Times. Yes, I'm on Dan that the other day made a point to me, which I guess I agree with- that Gwyneth Paltrow. She has a gross come on in a sheet supposedly repulses and becomes a world famous actress who makes twenty million dollars every movie. That shouldn't happen to her shouldn't happen to anyone, but the person you really feel like sorry for is the the would be starlet who comes here in a from Michigan or something and think she's really going to make it. and this is a powerful guy and cheapest, powerless to stop M or or maybe she thinks that the risk of the cost benefit calculation is worth or worth it and is violated in some way and then cast aside and she's back home somewhere never be heard again. yeah and one of the things that I saw the same point made about about Paltrow and and

you know I mean it. Is she apparently put a stop to the she was dating Brad Pitt at the time and sent pit to talked on which you now? Obviously it is perfectly normal behaviour and that's it situation. But you do you do wonder you know. Maybe this with some who actually had the juice to blow the whistle I mean you know you weren't, going to tell Brad Pitt you'll, never work again in this town. You weren't going to tell you. No. I think your godfather is like Steven Spielberg, like no. If, if anybody was higher on the food chain and Harvey Wine, Steen and Polly, would it Steven Spielberg? If you could have gone to him, you would have, and you know he couldn't, he could have done something. So I think that to me is the key point, two of the actresses that one aimed as having been on the receiving end of his behaviour. We're goin his Pouch and Angelina Jolie Gonna pouches mother is blocked.

Diana Angelina is jollies. Father is also an extremely famous actor John Void. Now, if those two, if those two people with their connections, did not feel capable of bringing him down of exposing this, that shows how deep his influence was and how soon his network was- and I find that chilling ten and you know- and you know it did it in some ways: it takes us back to the door first segment right now, There are people in the arena who may be can afford to speak out, but there ought to be somebody out there. You know who who fills the role of the independent? commentator who is able to say the emperor has no clothes and in fact keeps dropping them in front of women.

and it seems that Hollywood didn't have that Hollywood head. You know the people who work in a sense, like the you know the Bob corners of the world, who were afraid to speak out until they were retired. But what it didn't have was the independent voices coming out in saying I'm willing to stick my neck out and say what you know: the people whose careers depend on this are afraid to say: did you re Charlie, the least Psmith peace, and that we can get out of here? If we can have editors pick outside of our pages this week? I think that would be the peace now that was, it was fantastic to me. The the sign that he felt himself to be invincible is the weakness of his defence to the New York Times he. Firstly, he tried to recruit progressive to his

in the most transparent way possible. By saying, I need to channel my anger into fighting the end, our aid, if that has anything to do with what we're talking about, he also tried to make what he had been doing, look as if it were merely the product of anachronistic attitudes in the workplace, which I'm sure existed and get me wrong. I think that women were routinely harassed in the workplace in the nineteen sixty seven

and before them and after that, in some cases, but if you read through the New Yorker story, we're not talking about inappropriate talk, we're not talking about net brushing up against somebody by the war to cool. If the New York a story is correct, we're talking about rape, and we should say that clearly that if the new Yorker is correct, if running far is correct, then Harvey Weinstein's, everyone's dean is a rapist and the other thing I thought was so odd. Was it he both denied the allegations and propose that he would be treated for them. He said I have this this problem,

I need to go into therapy is now flown to Europe. One wonders if he's going to end up in a country without an extradition treaty, but also none of these allegations are true, and I think that that that isn't just a week argument that it demonstrates that he, like the king, who spends fifteen years, a short that he is loved by his people and he can never be toppled, is shocked at the moment that this is this has happened and Anne did. That shock is. It is a direct, results of the power that he wielded, Sir Ector Question Day and the wine seem scandal is a one off onto the scale of his offense or the beginning of an avalanche of similar revelations out of highway. I think it will create an open space for some time, not for good, but it will create an open space for some time for

more stories like this to come out. Will it actually changed the way Hollywood operates? Probably not truth, I think, does exactly right. The one thing I would caution against, of course, is that we will now see people saying things that are true and the key test for the press will be to keep up its its impartiality and its commitment to facts. It seems that the arguments now be made against wine steam up. I am glad because it took so long for them to be corroborated. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some false allegations and I think that that, of course, the downside to having a free for all, but- but it does seem to me over all of hollywood- now needs an area of grievances yeah. I agree that the both of you would just would add nothing.

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we single republican Senate incumbent on behalf Donald Trump agenda, which she defines as opposing the filibuster and opposing trade and being restrictions on immigration. Jane. What do you make of this threat in this way? kind of wonder whether shrewd to set up a lot of fights that if some of which he is inevitably gonna, lose collision away. Gonna knock off every Senate and combat now thought play so, as such high profile way in Alabama was because really more is probably going to win anyway, no matter how much money was spent on Luther strange or whether Trump went in there for strange or not where's. This is setting himself up for some losses

yeah. The dynamic in Alabama was unusual because, first of all, they said you had a fair amount of rebellion on the ground against the state republican establishment. You know the governor of Alabama mired in corruption scan no was seen as strangers patron and Roy more was a guy with very long record in Alabama a much higher profile than Luther Strange really. So, in that sense, it was the inversion of the usual. You know insurgent challenge where you ve got some somebody who just work walked in off the street against a veteran politician. I think we shouldn't skip over here. The fact that Donald Trump is the presently United States. He had

chairman of the Republican National Committee working as his chief of staff. He now has all the official party organs essentially at his disposal. He has a huge amount of fundraising clout, Steve Banner, as trumps ally, has a lot of that same fundraising cloud. He was himself a senior advisor to the present until quite recently and he's now seeking out. You know he his platform on Fox NEWS, which is the the largest news outlet. You know for a conservative audience and bringing in some of the very large voices you know in other parts of the conservative media, and so too Posture Bannon as rebelling against the party establishment, is more than a little disingenuous to the

stand that there is a party establishment that people are afraid to cross? It is now wholly owned by Trumpet Bannon. Essentially, you know in and While there may be a lot of quiet talk behind the scenes by traditional Republicans, who don't want any part of that too posture. This whole thing as being anti establishment is kind of crazy. That being said, there is no question that I mean this is This is a good cycle. I guess in which to say all we're gonna get rid of all or if I were getting comments because thirst solely like eight of them in others there so few in the Senate, this title and he's he's already ensured that there's not going to be an income but running

in Alabama. You know an end now, there's not going to be an incumbent running in Tennessee, so in an he's exempted dead crews from this which again speaks to innocence. The establishment power is, I think, cruises. Lotta cruises fundraising base overlaps a good deal with the fundraising base that ban and needs to cap. In order to fund these challenges and so is actually gonna be playing a pretty narrow field, and in that sense, you know, is banning deterred by

I humiliating losses. I think, after the way, bright barred essentially went all in in the two thousand sixteen cycle in primary challenges to John Mccain and Marco Rubio, Anne and Paul Ryan, and saw all of them go down. Disastrously in and was not abashed by that at all, so I dont think that humiliating failures will actually humiliate Bannon. Charlie you. What the sun is really weird about this cynicism and original point, as I usually after a defeat you have. Civil war is not usually months after sweeping to control of everything and Washington that you have a civil war, but this dynamics product of the fact that there was a civil war ongoing in the Republican Party alone. Murmuring line when they actually one which, which is just an almost unprecedented circumstance

am, I fear, is a tweet. We have a real negative feedback loop here going here, where the party's going to find it really hard to do things in Washington Legislature legislatively in part not entirely because of but in part because of Donald Trump's failings, and that's good. It led to the these primary challenges and the success occasionally of care micro more. Who can make even harder to get anything done in one thing that I thought was really ridiculous and bans Fox interview at he said: there's this establishment globalist Cabal, whose opposing Donald trumps agenda. When really to the extent you haven't a stout,

the cabal after elections. I thank God. We have it's amazing, windfall Homeward Donald Trump one. We all thought he's gonna lose. Let's do everything we can to paper over any differences to look beyond any this failings and try to pass some stuff that he can sign and the next year they failed on health care, but they failed on healthcare because it is the usual dynamic, the devil's any party which has had some moderates, who just were basically on board of the

and if we can on our elected a reliable conservative in May in a more for it, but that doesn't doesn't seem in prospect hiding their cheating is going on at the first one. Is he says that there too republican parties- and that makes it untenable when you have only fifty- do Senate seats when you have a president who doesn't have a strong ideology and seems unwilling to pick aside, and you have a house majority that is reasonably large, but that also is the product of winning in a number of moderate areas, the the Republican Party is not really. The Republican Party is republican parties and that's going to make it difficult for things to get done, as you

the civil war is ongoing, and I think the second thing is that there is a certain sort of person within the Republican Party and within the conservative movement in general, and I think Steve Abandon exemplifies this, who is addicted to anger. Anger is a potent force in America at the moment in its a potent forced divorced my theology, almost anything, can be sold with anger. Almost anything can be sold with the lion king the bombs out, and so we ve seen in America generally a meal

more angry and a much more populist, much more indignant trend within our politics. That is especially my Republicans, but its commitment Democrats as well, for example, Bernie Sanders sold single pair healthcare by railing against the powerful and the government. Of course, single pay healthcare as a boon to the powerful, because it gives them control. It would require the doubling of federal revenues. The tea party sold opposition to all government healthcare. At least that was the rhetoric with much the same language. And if you look at Steve Ban and the moment

Donald Trump is to him the the avatar of his populist wave, but so is anyone he happens to like, regardless of their ideology. I mean, I don't think when it comes to it, that Roy Moore on Donald Trump agree on everything. I don't think they come from the same place. They suddenly don't have the same history as conservatives and yet because the the members of polite society that ban on soda stains dislike both of them than that pushed into the same corner

there is an addiction to this, and I think it's going to court costs the Republicans over time. You do need some sort of populist dissatisfaction. You need some distrust of Washington. You need some preference for local community and individuals and experience, but I think ban on his channel this habitually and

he carries on like this. His only contribution is going to be that whatever is now needs to go, which ultimately is not a conservative sentiment at all. Well, we get a new Senate leader in two years that Senate leader will be extremely unpopular with the base. A slight always work. Senate leaders cause they're creature, the institution, the institution itself, is frustrating and and runs counter to a lot of grass roots sentiment. Dad just last question on this: this isn't a new phenomenon in the least this kind of anti establishment at those among republican primary voters has been with us. I want to say almost it for ever you go back

Nick Pack and then it oaks, the club for growth and the tea party, and now this effort, it's all under the flying under slightly different batteries and has slightly different iterations. But it feels like the same thing. So what is it what's endemic to inherent to conservative politics that makes us so powerful and entering. Why I clearly the anti government concept is part of it. You know I I I think frankly, the fact is that we have seen nothing, but growth in federal power in Washington has seated this over time. You know a sense that sense of losing and losing and losing on the size of government and the direction of the culture. So I think the the anti establishment anger aspect

not totally divorced from the policy world in that sense, but there is clearly also in other, is clearly also kind of a cultural aspects to it, though, that there are just some people who were just now, just angry and you know, there's a different style between angry old people and angry young people, and traditionally the right tends to attract the angry old people in the left tends to attract the angry young people? So you know the folks who show up to be anti establishment on the right or more likely, the people who are going to be putting up yard signs for some Yahoo in primary and the people on the left are gonna, be the one throwing molotov cocktails and the street. So Charley s question percentage chest.

That the Steve Ban Crusade will lead to the long term trap of occasion, other Publican party, zero, meaning that Roy Mara was the high water mark. A hundred percent meaning globalism in the GNP is certain to be reduced to smoking. Rub I think I'll have a mixed record and I think he will lose more than he wins, and I think we saw that in two thousand. Sixteen, there are two parties. The Trump coalition is part of what is called the Republican Party. I'm not convinced it's the the majority, Sir, I would say about forty percent. I think he'll have some success

but, but not to the extent that he takes over the party all that he comes a civil war death. I think Bannon is going to have a lot more success, causing republican incumbents to lose their jobs than causing his own people to gain jobs, and that you know that that that is partly going to be due to the fact of the eighty illogical incoherence of his movement and the bizarre idea of you know: let's take it to the people in power by throwing out anybody who criticizes dear leader, I say: may twenty five thirty percent. I think I have some success. I do think this is kind of hot thing: grassroots pumpkin politics at the moment, and this piggy backs on that

can a perpetual thread of anti establishment sentiment in a way this powerful, but there will be another new thing eventually and sooner rather than later, so I think there be of a few scalps they'll be a lot of defeats, but the the long term prospects of the trumpet allocation of their Publican party depend much more on the performance of Donald Trump than it does on these primaries. Now I don't either Republican Party is ever snapping back completely to what it used to be, but I don't think this is that the certain future, of it either by any means, so it's said a few other little things before I go. Did you have a twitter feed that you're your narrative. Yes so are Turning from four from more serious things, yet one of the I follow on Twitter is the Batman. Sixty six labels,

Feed and you may not have been as obsessed growing up as I was with the YAP, the old Batman TV series, starring Adam West, and it's it's classic yeah. It's it's wonderful campaigners, there's actually twitter feed devoted entirely to pictures of the one of the running gags on the show, which is the ridiculous signs on just about everything from you know, back shark repellent And other fats specific things to just oddball signs hang up on things like you know, out of service elevator door. That needs to be opened and things of that nature. But it's it's an amusing look back at at a show that clearly had a lot of thought behind its zenith and

You know, I'm an obviously was predicted great, followed during the aftermath of Adam West staff earlier this year, and so too wanted to full tribute mode. Great theme use it to that tv programme too, has to rank very high and twentyth century tv show. The music, I think, sticks takes with you to Charlie you. You can call you a baseball them. You can you. Can I like to tease my twitter followers about baseball, which I from time to time, call american cricket and then to go into the virtues of cricket, which is of course the world's greatest game, but I think based boys is up and I ve been greatly enjoying this posed season. I'm not allowed to criticise anything. The Yankees do in front of my wife. Apparently this is treachery, but I have been watching the travails against the Indians and even the avails, even if these are tied series as we might, wherever they today working hard tat. My friend

and if they, if they do go out tonight, which I think is unlikely at you is my prediction I think they're going to win tonight. I will keep watching it is. It is the closest thing to cricket that America has, and that is a compliment. Thank you, Charlie. National pastime is appreciative of this. Now I'm assimilate the areas so we just moved offices and in fact I should mention that the top that that this is the first podcast emanating from the podcast studio, inner and our new world headquarters, which is in midtown Manhattan and it's a wonderful office. My hat off to our colleagues who made this move so smooth and identified this space Lindy, Craig and Jim Kill bridge

Erin in Russia, but that the move is tinged with little nostalgia for all time and our folks, because when we started we're back in the ancestral home of NASH, Review and Murray Hill on EAST thirty, fifth street and converted converted might be too strong a word. But at a town house that we used as an office that was completely inappropriate for an office space. You had to go through about five doors to get anywhere. I was a little bit like working in an Escher painting but what did this serve? Office lacked and efficiency and made up in charm, earliest works. I mean it, then the prince Priscilla Buckley,

energy under the magazine. She had a turtle and she would turn the head of this turtle. That would would be a sign and make it a dinging sound sign that a bill Buckley was gonna, get copy and he was in office above her and there's a poorly system where she put the articles ended up up. It would go Joe sober and had an officer literally, you could not see the floor and it wasn't just like a thin layer of printed matter. Out of foot Eddie, I'm not sure how he survived walking in in this office, and he began smoking really awful, cheap cigars about ten thirty in the morning and his it hit his office stank of these cigars when it was finally cleaned out. I thought, through the windows had little had been painted black for some reason office, but it was just just cigar smoke that had accumulated over the years that you just disappear in there when he is assigned editorial paragraphs appearance in the week

indeed, here I'm going on the on the typewriter- and you know, he'd right in a five items in like twenty minutes on a typewriter and they just come out perfectly. He is a flawed man. Many of us are all this are flawed, but an incredible talent. But one of my colleagues who started sure you at that time said when he went to his interview, I think and ninety ninety in the office, and he was coming from a corporate environment when he saw, walked in a saw. The office yeoman just turned around a walked out, but anyway we we have left that. Behind for better or worse now, have a gleaming a clean and highly efficient and comfortable office space and were glad of it. So before we go let's hit our editors pick picks. Excuse me down. What's your pick, its peace via Andy Mccarthy

collusion in the trump up here, and it's really a very level headed explanation in and a balanced view of the so called

Steel Darcy AIR compiled by opposition researchers. That is you know. One piece of the whole somewhat endless and amorphous trump Russia, etc story. It's it's a good red and I think I get gives you know a fairly balanced and even handed, as I said, to look at the whole ball situation. Together with your pic, I would like to praise Michael Brendan Diocese Peace cooled. Yes, the Baba's can beat Uncle SAM if you'd isn't that it is every week you remember last week, Michael said: he's not the sort of second amendment absolute historic spread, Stevens would have it fascist added. I am nevertheless Michael right. A fantastic response to one of bread. Stevens is coms

times, Michael Shermer, who made, I think, a poor argument that argument being that the best block against tyranny is the law which is, of course, true in the same way as the best way to get power to your house is to use the power grid. But the question is: what happens when the law fails and saying. While we rely on the law is a little bit like saying we'll just don't have a tyranny, you still keep a backup generator in case the grid fails and we keep our arms in case. The government fails in case the rule of law. A thousand case civil society found Michael makes that point. He also makes the point with reference to Ireland that an arm citizenry is one that worries would be tyrants or would be conquerors, fifteen thousand or so

weapons in Ireland scared, the hell out of Winston Churchill, has cabinet meeting notes, demonstrate and recent american experiences abroad in Afghanistan and Iraq and Vietnam demonstrate that it is extraordinarily difficult to rule of people who do not wish to be ruled. The only way in which a tyrannical government could prevail is to annihilate the citizenry, but I ll leave you with this is the government is considering annihilating its its own citizens. I think we're gonna need to keep the second amendment. My pick is Douglas Murray's cover story in the next issue of national view is the hundredth anniversary of the Russian Revolution, where the great tragedies of human history and Douglas uses the occasion to meditate on the perverse, but apparently in

stinguished able allure of communism. Its compelling really well argued and extremely well written. So I recommend that to everyone and that's it for us. Thank you damn. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you too. Are sponsors, texture and ring thanks to all of you for listening. We are the editors and we'll see you next time.