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time we ve ever followed up on a promise. An our later. The prophecy has been fulfilled its right, so we're talking today about search and rescue dogs, and this First of all, this article is just genuine bona Fide house for its quality from the olden days. There checks all those boxes done every box. That's that's! That's Mark one in favour of this episode that its base, and that article mark to is that it's about dogs and how much how great dogs are, and I just a really good time researching this one yeah. It's funny like during reading this whole thing in all this research in my head, I just kept thinking good boy, good girl, I just kept saying that over and over the edge is pet number

in the ears ahead. Yet in your mind, so we were talking about SAR dogs were talking about, search and rescue dogs. Dogs at are trained to go, find people right there. They do to exert two components to search and rescue dogs, job It is to find people and then to let their handler know that they found the person right sure because of a dog The just find someone done. Let anyone know how to peace and Round Lincoln faces all day right. You're, like ass, you tell me now go get help in the dogs I don't know, although I did like seeing what was that one dog called train to do like to stay there instead of going to to alert every one ounce of victim loyalty? Is that behaviour yeah? And I think that's the case if there's If someone is injured, they may need that dog to stay there and start barking instead are saying hey,

and find someone and let them let them know that you're not ok rise, so however, they alert as long as they alert. That's good. That's the second part Zog. Is they dont wander off in like find a crap game, doing gate without telling anybody that they found the person whose stranded in the wilderness right, which would not man with the star dog, because they can focus like nobody's business right right. So SAR dogs are professional, working dogs right so much, is like hurting dog on a farm? Who actually does that work, or canine unit, dog or one of the Beagle Brigade we talked about them before it's a working dog but the art, Julia Laden, wrote points out and I think really just kind of change, my perspective on things and opened up my eyes that what the dog is really doing is playing yeah right, so I mean the dog is not taking work seriously, even though it appears to be taking

play seriously, and I just love that year in and it really at home. To me too, like when it pointed out that if you had a dog that will like Rhine till there pause or bloody to get that tennis ball or that Kong right. I guess it is named, checked a brand. They should throw some dough for that. To good Branda mother loves the load. Cannonballs tired out those tiny. What you're so cute did that that would make a good our dog and I have had to dogs in my life. That would be great search and rescue dogs model Buckley who is no longer with us in my current. What am I to current dogs Nikko and they both had a lot of Staffordshire Terrier them and they both from day one. If you through something- ran and got it brought. It back had dropped it at your feet and look you as if, if you don't throw that thing

then I might kill over and die right now. Staffordshire terriers note Spuds Mackenzie now that camera kind of terrier. That is, but it was some kind of terrier, and I thought it was an english countryside, village name terrier I mean if I think a lot of people throw a lot of dogs into the pit bull category that aren't pitfalls. It's kind of a bone of contention with pitiful owners, sir, is like you know: a dog That has any a terrier in it, and they say it was a pitiful to staff. He's were lumped in there but I remember when we tell that when my greatness being an edit Bauer. On our tour, took a walk around lovely. Thirdly, town and I ran into a lady who was walking one of hers

you know when you're out of town and you're, not with your dog, you disorder, tat, attack every dog, you see totally, and so I got down out with this dog else. I was like I love this dog you're, so sweeter submarine she went just a wee staffing. It's a scottish we Steffy. There was a fear that the Ipad is magnificent, is magic earlier they can to go back one day. We need to do that. We need to get on another UK to her. I could not agree more dude heck. Ok, it's done were doing it, in two years and three years, if it's anything like our Australia to her So with the SAR dogs, though, we cannot emphasize a more how much time is of the essence, because whether it is and will get into the various types of rescue but they're all pretty time, sensitive weather, missing child God forbid or a collapse building, God forbid or an avalanche- God forbid, none of these

relations are awesome and the clock is ticking especially you know, and in those cases where you know, there's maybe shore, oxygen or their buried in snow. Like minutes count yeah for sure I saw on a site, from an organisation that offers SAR dog training for your dog, like if you think you do Scott, it they said come with, will find out if you dog's gotta, they were saying like you to be out there like you. We have to treat this like you're, an ambulance brightly when you get the call you I'll, be out the door, and it's interesting. You know the dog doesn't, have any job other than search and rescue. The dogs really go any time ever gear their handler and they live with you and you have to be there with them. So you have to be able to leave your regular job at the drop of a hat and in sight. Dog handlers around call twenty four hours seven days a week, three hundred and sixty five days a year so much that the dogs go on

caution with the handlers in cases a call here and you both have to go show up somewhere together. So you have to be very, very responsive, and it is like your same because time is of the essence, because that this article gives the example of avalanche victims, a man like if you're an avalanche victor four covered in an avalanche. Probably will not want to be thinking about these stats by most avalanche victims, who, are found within, I think is it ten minutes or fifteen minutes? I think a ninety percent, the victims are alive at fifteen minutes. Ok great! What about thirty? Five minutes? Chopper thirty percent right So between fifteen and thirty five minutes, sixty percent of those folks will be gone right and so you you might say- well, ok, but wait, wait We are talking about an avalanche, has a dog and find you in an avalanche dogs can find you covered in snow dogs.

Find you underwater dogskin, pick up your sent sometimes when you're five hundred metres away right. It I was Priscilla cause you always see, unlike those old time he chain gang movies, you know My favorite genre obviously has your when they're trying to elude the tracking dogs they cross a river. Something like that. It's not off the scent. Probably were lacquered for tracking dogs and we'll talk about the difference between these dogs but fur for a saint dog. They can. They can be trained to find your sent underwater, especially if you just happen to be decomposing. Yeah, and especially that dog is a bloodhound and in those old timey movies that you love, it seems like it's always Bloodhound urge. You know it I bloodhounds and in the day- you know who just escaped from prison, is runs through the river,

and usually in the movie there there like Nina drat at all. They doesn't through us off the set very summit throw there had to the ground joining him because of those kind of because of their whole thing that whole that John or whatever the imprisoned, escape, think I unfairly see a bloodhounds with scary backwoods, like redneck police officials. Yeah, you don't think is there always with but that does not mean that the bloodhounds or scary, another great sure, good ol, Hound, ox yeah. I wish, for a song about yeah, but it wasn't favourable. That's true I and all the time I wonder, but Elvis was talking about dogs. Nobody comparing somebody who he didn't have a high opinion, are high esteem to a hound. Wonder that was about and he programme idea that he was giving them quite a compliment right, he was

He is trying to do the opposite. It was like that Simpsons were somebody calls somebody else. A chicken in it chicken in a top had appears and is insulting the both of US they Elvis should have said you ain't nothing, but a hound dog, which is action, the most talented sent dog of all time. I hate that. What effect do you're, not them at a hound dog. I hold you in deep admiration and there goes the career of Elvis Presley yeah so smell. Wise dogs have a sense of smell about forty times. Stronger, and a human, and this is all dogs. It doesn't mean all dogs make good SAR dogs, but just because little Mamma is, you know like a little curly cute laptop yes doesn't mean that Momo may not be a good SAR dog for obvious reasons, but that doesn't mean Momo can't smell a dead body.

The ocean, but no one she does she does. She goes inside the game of crabs instead of telling anybody. That's gazettes, how you ve trainer, sure Norma I would not be a very good sign. Her dog she available sketched out on the scene of a search and rescue mission. But she did she and she does I'm sure, pick up Be rafts are eighteen I'm sorry or empty earth which is its gross, but these are the dead skin cells that are conscious, we flying off of our body yet smell. Us! Yet every individual! Apparently this is not proven, but they think they know that humans shed skin cells rafts in that they do have said human specifically human set, and that is specific to each person to specific to each person to which is all totally believable yet, which is why they mean like in the movies they give somebody in old sweatshirt that that mergers and more the day before, right

so they know how to go. Look for that person right, build they'll, do that the mass in the dogs face and then go find it. And they did find the whatever the person that smells like that. So they think that's how dogs are able to find specific human sense or any human set. Is that the raft, the skin cells that were adding are being picked up. We leave behind on the ground, they follow the ground. If we run up against a bush or something a bunch of Uncas scraped off or their just kind of floating in the air and depending on the type of dog they're, going to pick up those skin cell rafts ends. About here that we should say that there are two types too, general umbrella categories of search and rescue dogs, theirs tracking, dog and there's the air sent dog, and they do the same. They find humans, but they do it in in very different ways. One super targeted in one super general and depending on the city, wait a minute you're faced with you,

calling one dog or the other, or maybe both if you're, just a county. That's just flesh with extra tax payer cash that you don't know what to do with sure dog can yes, a tracking dog. They also covers following dogs. Those are like one a bloodhound with their nose down on a trail. They're, the ones who who know- and this is what these dogs need. They know of the last seen point of this person. So I oh. If you went hiking in the woods, and you part your car at a trail head right, They know that that is your last. If that is in fact, your lasting point, that is the lesson point here is a sweater They were yesterday, go at it right and we talked about the nuts All of that kind of stuff. On the search and rescue episode to go listened. Can we talk about the last seen point and we talked about how searchers red fan out from their church. There's like a quick response team, the dogs

once that are brought out first, because a sent if it's a track dog, in their following the sent that was specifically laid down by that person, India, that tracking dog needs to be their very quickly, and they need to. They need to be there before everybody else yet as well a bunch of searchers get into their in start searching for the person they, they don't know where the person sent trail is so they might be crossing all over it and ultimate a ruin it for the dog. You can't pick it up any more so that tracking dogs gonna be among the first searchers on the scene. That's the air sent dogs, like you said that these are little more like when you don't know like somebody's just lost in the forest or somebody's buried in this, they don't have that lasting starting point, and they basically to say, go out there. Stick your nose in the air and sea on the ground and see if you can inhale,

some of those so some those airborne rafts like fine seventies, cocaine right the finest. Clever golden fine colombian in those you know that's basically, basically there You know if It's a little more general view, you're, probably some sort of a well all kinds of dogs, but you're, not small or medium sized or larger, you may be a german shepherd or, like a lab, believe believe it or not. It's probably not a Saint Bernard just because there there is a little too big these days. Cumbersome is how we could put it border. Colleagues are good and of course, the bloodhound, because there, though big o ears and all those cute folds in their faces yeah actually concentrate sent particles right into those stinky stinky drippy nostrils yet is kind of slow.

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yeah. This one is a sort of the sad Especial tee, but that the cadaver dog varied important, though cuz. You know pony closure in their lives and if you ve lost a love, one literally lost love one and you don't know where they are and they end up not surviving that ordeal. Then you would still like to give them a burial, your choice, or you know how we want to do things in your family, but while does as the law well seeing a a proper burial. But that means lot of a lot of people, sure could be sky burial, sure could be over those. Oh yeah. That was a great when I remember what that was on I was a good one, buzzard right, just picking at your body yet up in the Himalayas. So there they are specifically train to search for human remains and those de composition, gases and us

in wrath still, but that that is pretty amazing disease. Dogskin find it says, a single human tooth or a single drop of blood. They can detect right right because you know. First of all there they are naturally able to detect that kind. Stuff, but then the training they receive really kind of narrows, and in focuses that that now ability they have near. But one when I was up could ever dogs, as, of course, I did I was like how would you train a kid ever dog. What are you where you getting the dead bodies, but even the pair only if you are training could ever dogs you can apply to git like decomposing human tissue money after you have to like get a licence for it. I believe, or a licence to have. It apparently is hard to come by, so trainers will like use their own blood

train dogs, a fine blood. There is also a company that makes a scent of an artificial training set called Sigma pseudo corpses, and it comes in three flavors recently deceased decomposing and drowned one can train a dog on this on the sin, its close enough approximate in that they will learn to follow the satin? Fine, decomposing human remains so to people by those creeps, creeps and ass. Sorry trainers right and I like it but just to people by the bottles are like a million dollars each year, then they go. A tender Dayton there like just a little dabble drowned, behind each year. Like I'm all said yeah Are water dogs or the next in those search for drowning victims? Obviously they urged in a boat at some point and then we'll talk about their true, but one of the one of the big parts of training is to make sure that

star dogskin right and helicopters and ride in boats and ride on a snowmobile, or whatever you know, and eighty, the one of those things Gulf a tv for remember. I had three wheelers when we were kids manners are so, danger ever ones like menacing, surely took over a lot like. Maybe we should add a fourth wheel, yeah you go in there now is stable and it is a man. Those were so day is there I remember when they came out and it was like twelve year old dying all over the place with those things never had one of those at it. Neither my mom who would not have let me near one of those. I was a go Carter lucky. I didn't have one. We never heading that stuff kiss my parents or teachers, so they were like our picture one but I might really good friend, growing up lived out in the in the woods in the country and he had to sort of homemade go carts. That sort of whom there are totally homemade. They weren't, like the that you know the super sweet things you good bye.

Right, but they had the land where their dad built like dirt track, and it was the one thing I ever did as a job. That's awesome. It was awesome as always the friend out in the country that had they go carts, sure yeah you're, not a city book right I mean if you have a really specialised sardonic. Maybe it is used to writing and go cart to, but it's gonna definitely be trained. Right in on just about anything that it will be called them forget and, in addition chuck. This is amazing to me. They are too really fine, with being lower down the face of a cliff in harness on a rope, yeah stuff like that, like their trained You are, as will see their train to basically keep it together in some very weird situations for dog yeah and again with my dog negro, the Staffy? I near two dogs and they then, on boats and Charlie The the Shelty mix can adjust hides under seats,

you're right, whereas Nikko is we color, the hood ornament she just units is tall was possible front in centre, and her nose is just I mean I can't Imagine the amount of sense that she's inhaling right. It's really impressive! Every took mama I am to see what she would do and she loved it. She did not. I did all she was alert. Barking at fish, Anything pics you can like. Yes, this is a pretty great, it's pretty fun stuff, so there is also we said, there's avalanche search and rescue dogs. It also urban disaster search and rescue dogs and we'll talk about them more in depth in a little while, but suffice to say that that is the the pinnacle of search and rescue dog. It s the toughest one, There is something like from what I saw there: maybe a hundred search and rescue dogs in the United States that are officially qualified to search in it disaster scenario in an urban area yeah- and

and talk about a minute? But there was heartened that section area that just got me like these dogs operate one hundred percent on reward for doing they're doing an urban disasters, like apparent, a dog can get down if on themselves, if they just keep finding that people right and so ground zero. They were Firefly yours and rescuers. That would pretend to be people trapped, just so that these dogs that have been working long days could feel like they had done something to help right. Can you believe that dude I totally candles to such like a fire? everything that be undiluted go about. That too are you so there's wilderness dogs, self explanatory and then something called evidence article dogs, yeah. They can find like of clothing, her or evidence in a crime. Ok, yeah, I gotta

go find the bloody hammer right right circles. The term darker did so let's say that you want to start training your dog there there's and is actually training of search and rescue dog follows pretty established, training principles and, first of all its all positive reinforcement. How should we eventually need to do in episode, unlike gum negative reinforced? and her dog obedience cause it's just so fully discredited, but most people think that most people don't realize it. But you do you do not need to punish your dog for now doing something right, you just praise and reward your dog for doing so, for when they do so the great that's how you train a dog and that's the basis of search and rescue trading is, is all positive reinforcement and reward, and the whole thing starts out with just basic obedience and its at this

point that Mamma would wash out of search and rescue trail. Briefly, just right out of the gate. Mama was her own pursued and we treat or such like she's our child. So we don't treat her like a dog search come, did not see herself as a dog. She's, very good dog sweet and oil and takes good care of us, but she she would just get distracted and again a little freaked out. Sketched out when the when the distractions came around yeah Nikko stares at You know we're living in a and a rental house right now, because were words work on our house, so it yet the very weird time for our whole family too. Listen be averted and living in this strange house. Out of the woods yet, but Nikko just sits in theirs in the window which overlooks a big wooded lot, did just movement squirrels birds or whatever and the second, you open that door. She so fast she's like a greyhound

building for anything, and luckily she hasn't got anything yet. But I'm telling men should be. Sorry argument reason: I would not do this because I want her round, not right on location, right, helping people, so I guess yeah if I'm selfish, if it were squirrel, search and rescue. I think Mama excellent, excellent at I agree, as I say, are. Maybe there They call for there were just don't realize it, because we don't speak squirrel so yes, basically, audience is level. One just regular commands temperament is super important. It have to be good with injures other dogs. Obviously a lot of times are a bunch of dogs on the scene and they can't be like I'm gonna go fight that dog or play with that dog. They have to be good on walks on loose leashes, but bigger with crowds all that stuff.

Am, I imagine, really roots out and training a bunch of dogs right off the bat. Yes future. So that's just basic obedience and you have to be active just knock that off list out of the gate. You're right, then you move on to the. U you move from you, no good Well behaved. Obedient dog to now are starting to get into the training a little bit, and you want to teach your dog something really important that apparently comes up in search and rescue. That you are not the end all be all in the world to this dog. I hate this at all has to be able to turn to take instruction from for other than you and to also Oh, a tremendous amount of concentration, self possession non distraction and the way that they test this, usually when their training to rescue dogs is they will take a dog over too

a crowd of other dogs and there will be people milling about and all that and you, the handler will will ask the doctors to lay down or stay or sit, and that and then you leave you go away at least out of sight. I think this article six thirty feet away, and so you did, I can't see you anymore and then over the course ten fifteen twenty minutes. Other handlers come in and take over responsibility of ten to this heard of dogs at all sitting round. Yes, and if your dog will seemed to your command that you gave one time to stay here or sit lay down whatever the whole time. You're gone until you come back and tell them that they can get up or whatever. Then that's apparently the test for canine professionalism, pretty amazing and I'm sure there's probably a lot of different

ass, there's no standardization for search and rescue dog training, except for the famous certification for urban search and rescue dogs, so I'm sure there's different tests all over the place, but that's a pretty good glimpse of what you need to expect from your dog to to surpass. The second level is second echelon and move on to the third one. Yet the second one is tough. Second, was tough, I think the third One is is genuinely tough, not not necessarily for you training the dog. I think the third one is the tough and on the dog. Yet this is this raw physical, mental ability and agility. So they're going through like an obstacle course. Basically, you can go through tunnels you can climb an incline of more than a minimum of Forty five degrees on each side like up and down. You can get into a cherry pick her like we talk about and go up really high without jumping out or be in that

or be in that snowmobile or helicopter, and not get freaked out like you have to you know they dont crank up the helicopter, usually like once you get in nothing and we ve all seen mash you gotta run up to a helicopter his Aids or spinning yet allowed people to want to do that now so by your dog needs to be able to like come on. Let's go out all the May Army and the machine gun, yeah or hey, get in this harnessing attached to my chest and we're gonna repelled down this mountain, and you just gotta be a good boy. Yet they do me once they reach a certain level of training they do the final is, is tracking, obviously well mean this is this is after they passed the three levels but track in its urban tracking is level one like you talked about. That is that's the hardest thing. The two in this test is just off the charge to me. What they have a person do is they will

the target like that, you know that the whatever looking for so they will do a half mile to one mile track from one point to another in high traffic area of a city. Like they're gonna like downtown New York and walk a half mile through a mile, this dogs near the whole time. You know someone else they have to cross. At least you intersections make at least three right angle turns go down two blocks of alleyways leaving. You know and article along the way like there, leaving little nuggets shutting off skin cells, I guess sure, or maybe dropping them the com in your back pocket then, once you have laid down that track. Another person crosses that trade. In at least one place here? Don't adding sent basic? trying to throw this dog off right and then through minutes later. After all of this and after the target is at the very end, they finally say our dog go and the dog has to find this.

Get in no more time than it took for the person to lay down that track Ryan, like you said waiting thirty minutes before they start after the person's finnish. That's impressive! That is super impressive and there's distractions. The whole way to write From from what I gathered, this is actually done, unlike in actual city like they don't have like a fake city built somewhere in Colorado, or something like that, like us, is a likely your real town. This is happening, and yet so the more distractions, the better yeah pressure, and they hire people who are wearing like gum. Car, no worn So wander around everywhere to confuse the scent everything it's it's a bit crazy jam M for the dog: that's growth! So let some actually man when's the last time you smell dzhokhar. Nowhere

Eighty six, I have smell there within last year and I gotta tell you it holds up, maybe even more than it I realized before. We know how I feel about Cologne, so I say we take their second break and then come back and talk about what we talked about this point, like basic training. Now we gotta get into specialty training, ok, Lou, yeah, we'll be right back I'm lorries signal, and I spent the last decade reporting on technology

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Ok, so check your dog has been to SAR training or basic some basic training for Sir yes, but they have actually been taught the SAR part. Yet, just they just shone like ok, I got it. I got what it takes was. Do you put me in their show me? Where did you hear and the way that you do train a dog to search and rescue by by alerting is basically taking their natural inclinations and again like focusing on in amplifying em you do that through reward and the way that you train a dog reward, I'm having trouble saying that for some reason, You identify what the dog once more in the world than anything else, the other two tennis ball, whether it s Knowledge is what

However it is you figure out what their dog wants. The thing that they do anything to get and that's what you use is there reward, and then you can start that those sar search and rescue training. Yeah and the reward is important too, to be consistent with that without reward, because you can't, even in a pointed out, even in the horrible situations like eleven or if they find like family member you know body out in the woods. You need to discreetly take this dog after the side and give them the reward, and even if that means you know up toss a frisbie like. If that's what it is, then that's what you gotta do, who its v his odd thing to see something alien frisbie with their dog with crying family in a dead body in the woods with well Letty hammer. Stick it out of their foreheads. Discreetly is the key word there.

I guess I don't know what you're like leaping over the body or anything like this find a nearby area and then go kind of discreetly carry out your reward. Let's hope so Yes, so it takes about six hundred- and this is generalization, of course, but about six hundred hours of training, which a lot of ours, were dog to be field ready. That's for the dog. The humans have to go through what like a thousand hours. That's so this article six, so that sixteen hundred hours of training before humans and dogs, which is- means that humans require more training than the dogs due to do the job and they end like are humans rewarded? Are they like yours, you martini jack, you like I would crawl through an avalanche co2 immortal words. My reward would be great So you, though,

whole way. You start this again you're using the their favorite thing in the world as a reward, and you teach them that they can go find their reward somewhere. They normally want to find things. So you show them. Ok come find. Me is a good way to start. Usually this takes two people, and this article is avalanche. Training is an example, but it kind of generally applies anything whatever your whatever specialty your training, you're sorry dog, to engage India, that's wit, that's kind of what you would teach him. So if you can your training them under avalanche guidelines. Would go, dig a hole in some snow and imperfect, perfect line of sight with the door You were going on over, unlike go, run and jump into the hole in the snow, and you would have your assistant holding the dog back and then after just a second. Did you make it into the whole they let the dog on the dog runs after you and when the dog comes to get, you

you just praiser in love on it and give it its ball or snarls judges or whatever it is, and the dogs like. Ok. Now, if I go find Q And I will get played with get a reward whatever it is that really important to me. And now the the colonel, the seed of search and rescue training has just been planted in the dog and dogs are smart, so it doesn't take much more to kind of love it up into bona fide full search and rescue professionalism. Yeah, it's kind of funny cats dogs are super smart, but also very dumb in that, like it's just a simple. Reward situation. Migrate find person get treat yeah and I don't mean to download it simplistic. I guess can get I'm glad you success can say sounds more. Like dogs have figured out, rather than being done, I've had some damn dogs will share their assisting is gonna die,

didn't, rather the bats whose dumb people too so that will share dumb shrew whose dumb camels down plants interesting point down. Everything So in the case of the avalanche, you jump in the hall and that's great first first part accomplished, but and don't do it again, but the person handling the dog holds onto them for say five or ten seconds right then makes them go. Then they just increase. That time up until the point where it's like five or ten minutes and the and has buried themselves in the snow, and then the dog back. That's the true test. Like it's been ten minutes, I saw person go and disappear, and now imagine. This is a very fine for the person to bury themselves and snow completely right. But it's gotta be done, and then the dog finds a person and they get that's knowledge or that Frisbie play yet, and so each time there associating this new thing, the increasingly complex game

I find the human with their reward so their learning this, this new stuff, holding the dog backing Greece, is the amount of attention span in memory. That's required to to remove. Were this game and so overtime dog learns. If I go dig under snow, I can find a person but I smell there in though, probably play with me again depends, How soon the dog was led off on the scent of the person covered by the avalanche? Sure, that's put that's the game that learn yeah in and they talk a lot about focusing concentration. But these dogs- I mean it, is. Amazing because in it in a lot of these searches, unless you like you're the first on the scene, there are people everywhere there are sirens. There are bull horns, there's a quit. Making loud noises. There are any distraction Think of that would freak a dog out here is on this. And all at once, and they say that sorry dogs can get so good

they can not only ignore all this, but they could kill by a cheeseburger on a trail in just keep following that sent here, which is where my dogs, You wanna identify the SAR dog at a disaster area, find the dog richest casually filing its nails, prepared this our dog every time yeah, there's no way. My dogs will ignore that the food thing that, with death and behold it most. Thing where her eyes get real big and can a bug out of her head. She like uses a polity kind of like gently, sir. You like TAT, you like hey, I'm right here. You want to share some of that sort. There is a couple of things we should mention about this. This training, the avalanche training we just mention you- can you can do that within think you can do with underwater training apparently involves the handler in the boat with the dog, but also a school.

Hiding underwater. That's the best way to train dogs on water, while you can do it with them. If simulated disaster like collapse, buildings that kind of stuff, so you can take this, This idea that your training, the dog, that if they go look for a person to person, might give them there's no seizure their ball and that's what they're do it? Yet So even when they're out there searching for dead bodies in the woods to the dog there just playing a game, there's a bunch of people around there's a lot of sirens in thy crying humans, and we like shovel in back home in all that stuff, but the dogs is in the midst of all this. The dog, playing a game of go find it here, which is why that Word is silky right, even in the face of tragedy near so that that's the dog training we, to talk about training you, because in soviet Russia sorry, you

yeah, I mean you know. Most of these are handlers. Wool will seek out this dog, probably from the gate. Go at a shelter and can start from from day one as like. This is my neck tsar dog by Greece. Earlier. They spent about a thousand hours of training as a human. This is training the dog. This is also like you, ve gotta be good in the woods you ve gotta know: weather patterns, you gotta know how to Munich, eight on these radio coms and know how to work accomplice in most, These people are a lot of Maria mess certified by the very least you're brush. Very well in your cpr, Disappear miles away and you're the person that comes upon the scene. You gotta administered some some aid right. There tat one might call it first, aid. How you would you gotta get cargo, pants, YO pressure, you gotta, have a nice Para hiking boots European reboot this article-

oh quotes a search and rescue handler who who says the chief thing that you have to be able to do is to know where you are at any given point during the search you you have to precisely identifier coordinates, which means you have to know that cheap. He s the compass, the map on it you said, but you also have to know it while you're fired, you dog, with a flashlight at night, because apparently at night is the best time for a dog to search crazy. So you have to be right. We really good at at identifying your coordinates in the recent wise, because dogs will often give a sign bill, alert that they found something even though there doesn't seem to be anything there, but if your dad Does that you wanna know down the coordinates and you keep searching and if some others Our dogs come along and they they know the same area and everybody compares notes afterwards, there, you're going to go back to that same area near that

you need to know exactly where the area is so you know that there's something there and how to get back. You really need to know what you're doing with with some self coordination is what I'll call. Yet I would fail, even if Nick I was great my my legendary since a bet portions of direction would disqualified me. Yes, so that's! Why don't do this to get trapped in a cave? no hiding. It dropped used, infilling leaving it, in about a gaping and I'm within an hour went out. Ok, there was no problems. I think there is a problem, No, I mean the problems, were. It was kind of scary. But I was I was with experienced spelunkers, who got me all through it sure But yet I was at one pancake part that you freaked out when I even told you about it, the add ons hungry, so

If you are a soccer team or you have a star dog, you are like you said on call at all times, even if you're on vacation. That's why he traveled your dogs, alot you're always ready, and I met they could ruin a vacation, but if you're sitting around you know pushing papers in an office, you probably look forward that call. Oh yeah. I get out in the woods and do what you are trying to do with your with your best pal yeah, exactly oh you get the call out. You load up all your gear. You you had out there. It depends What's going on, you might be happen on a helicopter or a boat again, depending what's going on. There This is where that obesity in all those distractions, come into play in your ear. You know it's to you as the handler to be the alpha, even though your dog needs be good affiliation unless leash it still yours

in charge, and that's it that's a big part of it. So I think we said that search and urban search and rescue is the hardest kind of search and rescue for a dog to do not just because it it's difficult, but because it can be, it can really get a dog down to find nothing. But dead bodies is also extremely hazard. As you know, the dumb poking around a young, the collapsed building, a precarious place to be looking for survivors. So if you're in urban search and rescue dog, from what so you don't want a dog is over three years old entering this or that that's just to all. Do you want a younger dog you wanna, Sir training and early on? But if you're in urban search and rescue dog urban disasters search a risky you're, probably not going to have an extremely long career in that it's just too exhausting, and it's too demanding so

you may issue, as you kind of move toward retirement, get move to different types of, search and rescue that are a little less demanding. Apparently, the last step before retirement is wilderness search and rescue because to a dog, it's just. A great day out in the woods sure, that's it as good as it comes yes, after after four or five years on the scene of two buildings yap run around the National Forest and unlooked for folks, yet and then after you finally are retired. To lay around all day in chase. This you ve, been wine to chase the whole time. Yes and unsurprisingly, I would say most all of that. You are probably sticking with the the trainer as their good boy or girl by if that is not possible. For some reason there are Poland,

of people that will lie up to adopt a our oh yes, because they are just as though as well trained as they come and right yeah. Yes, no man! I love these dog. Yes, sir, Don T have to do something about just breeds, the original dogs and how they evolved and on a good stuff. Ok have not on a hot dogs works. I am sure we have. But I don't know if we got into all the year in others that movie out about the original dog, the original domesticated dog called alpha. Okay now- and I think it's not true, but I think it may be based on what people You might have happened like one human bonded with one wolf and that kind of started the whole thing. I took it about dances with wolves. Yeah. That's it. Ok. I have seen it was water world. I was way off. It's funny Remit

I was thinking about that movie the other day and just how perfect the casting of Dennis Hopper was whoever ass. It was like this movies off the rails before even started: shooting Musket Dennis operand Gary busy in here Gary View in it. Now I want to make vinegar busy he's a you shouldn't real troubles will wait in the sundowner. Will just stop right here. If you want to know more about SAR dogs to start looking, it up, there's all sorts of training, resources and everything you could hope to find the internet and since I said that the time for listener mail, This is about Pando, yes, and I have to say that, since we did that episode, often listen to brown noise. Here at work: well, I'm trying to concentrate on my my dear buds, but I have since switched to aspen for oh nice and wind- there's a great like ours.

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