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dissipation. We're talking today about one of the greatest men goal mysteries that has hit the world at the very least United States in a really long time. It's a little something it's been flying under the radar really flew under the rate for a while, but fully alot of people out there heard of this, suddenly called Havana Syndrome, in Havana Syndrome is we should say at the outset. Theirs Can there be any resolution to this episode? deeply articles. Dismissing some pages guides really to satisfying the hold, it is We don't know what it is. Nobody knows what it is in really honestly. The theories are not not great theirs. One theory like this of course sets it. Everybody else is ridiculous. yeah, so in one way it's kind of interesting and that we get to cover a lot of stuff, but in another way it's again deeply unsatisfying, but that the whole thing of Havana,

dramas begins today that I believe the end of two thousand sixteen run December, two thousand sixteen just like a year the United States, had opened its embassy again in Cuba. After decades of this kind of chile, Cold WAR like Peter in one another, as in their relationship to see Europe. For that there was a station agent CIA station agent in Havana who started complaining. some really weird symptoms after hearing a really weird noise in that kick, this whole mess off others. This is worth reading. I think from the guardian and twenty seventeen, and I think this is the first one. They were all very similar. The people who were affected by this mystery says there.

the blaring grinding noise jolted, the american diplomats from his bed, and I Havana hotel. He move just a few feet and there was silence he climb back into bed and experts, Thirdly, the agonizing sound hit him again. It was as if he had walked through some visible wall cutting straight through his room. and you know it doesn't really describing but when you talk to some of the people who, and we did personally talk to all of these- be right with you in so doing it. For this there were weird symptoms, ear, pain, tinnitus headaches. I hearing loss Verde, Oh dizziness, nausea, disorientation, a vision, nosebleed the fatigue, some I'm the symptoms, were sort of temporary. Not too bad with some of the people. Sometimes it was

really bad and some people ended up retiring in saying this, is it I'm out of here? Yes, some people went on to be diagnosed with swelling of the brain with a concussion hum some people suffered, put seems to be permanent hearing loss and all of this was localize just in the Havana Bureau of the American, the American Embassy to Cuba in Havana, like that's it. So there was suddenly this weird onslaughts isn't symptoms. I think as many as ninety people came down with this, what came to be called Havana Syndrome, some of said I heard a weird noise and then all of a sudden, I had Vertigo other I didn't hear anything they just all of a sudden couldn't concentrate any longer, and it was this. The symptoms all seem too But he said I had a fever or my leg started swelling. It all seem to be kind of clustered around you're, a jury hearing your ears. You knows your throat kind of thing, but without the throat and without

knows mainly just your ears in your brain. They seem to be cluster of neurological symptoms and no one had any idea what was going on. Yes, so you know, of course the U S is, can investigate something like and what will get into there were a couple of pretty deep man as deep as you can get it in this case investigations. But the very first thing that happened was the FBI was ok. This is some sort of acoustic attack Some sort of sound waves are being used, let's get in there and at least check out the locations, check out everything around where these people are living where their staying and they found nothing, came up really pretty much empty and we should also point out this- is, I think, a few canadian devil? it still was an entirely were right both for the most part. It was U S and it seemed to be. It seemed to be concentrated in the homes of the diplomats and by diplomats were including CIA agents who work

known who they were like: hey, I'm the sea age, and here they were, they were posing as diplomats, so the diplomats, bearing pilot even more, who is he posing ass? My the kitten in What was it out of sight? I still using FBI guy and he showed up with a big teacher that said FBI in Dentistry and had a great joking hey, you got another one. This is undercover they're nice. I love that guy he was the best or a bee who else could buy Dennis Farina could follow up after Jerry or Bach nobody. He did he did it with class. He D brought his own his own character, just amazing stuff. Then I was about this I didn't see that show that I was about to say, except he was no singer. Jerry or back, but we might be wrong again. We could be. I really walked press rattle and I guess so so the diplomats were

being seem to be effected at their houses and then there were two hotels in Havana that that these these symptoms started their onset on. So again there was. There was basically like the first investigate, the FBI, the F b I conducted was just like nano now by clearly was an attack. You know it's it's localize to diplomats and their families Havana, it's happening anywhere else for now, so some sort of attack just don't know what it was. That was the first investigation and so the say departments at stake a little deeper. Yeah. I mean they cannot get to quiet for a little while, The media eventually got wind of what they were a sonic attack and then the former president, administration presidential administration, as things were starting to, I guess thought little bit said you know what you mean

as or out of here and kicked out to cuban diplomats kind of his pay back base. Lee when Cuba, the whole time was going. We didn't it as we now know. What you're talking about in as will see later, they supposedly even investigated and try to help investigator that was the one of the long standing things. The Cubans have said basically from the outset is twofold: one: they had nothing to do with it knew nothing about it and that they would take something like that very seriously and then to they seem to suspect that this event, snowballed into a easy way to cut, tie again with Cuba that that was kind of something that was driving narrative, is well part of the problem also, as you know, like you said, the State Department was keeping this secret, not just from the american Public Congress. Hadn't even heard about this in every one found out about the same time when the media started reporting on Congress found out about an apparent

Marco Rubio, latched onto this because he's of cuban answer, sorry, I'm not sure users, his parents are from Cuba, but he hates the Castro regime, and so this is a big thing for him to come, clamp onto and really kind of, enrage his base, the cuban expatriate community and in Miami IMF in South Florida, and he out of the gate, I think, even released a press release referring to this is assigned to it, like really kind of taking whatever the FBI surmised and is basically saying this is does what we just have figured out how, but it was an attack and that really set paradigm moving forward fur, basically everybody, except for thankfully large swathes of the scientific community. Yes, so they commissioned the National Academy of Science to to go. Under your investigation. In twenty ideal,

and even by that time, people that understood things like acoustic or possible acoustic attacks or just acoustics basically said this wasn't some kind of a sonic attack Kids, you know it is possible that you can focus a sound meme to an area, but you would have to truck in some equipment that so big The F b, I would have found it and even if they manage to do that and get away with it, there So many different symptoms going on with these people it can cannot. explained away by an acoustic attack and lets say that even happened it deafening. And caused brain damage. Lighted, the worst acoustic attack, wouldn't call somebody bring No, so really, there's two ways of. Can you see anything like people said they heard a weird, sound or whatever, but it wasn't necessarily some like they clearly being attacked by the sound. There wasn't what were reported, they just some of them

ed. I heard a weird sound first and also to have these weird symptoms. That's you know what gave rise to the sonic attack theory, but there's basically, two ways to attack people with sound dispersed, so they can't hear it's either below our threshold of hearing, which is in for sound. What where I was trying to make a yoko, no joke, but horrified that combines the two. It's down again sound is below our threshold below twenty hurts right and you actually can cause things like Vertigo in somebody or vomiting losses, bowel control, if did somebody with a loud enough infer, sound blast, but, like you say, advance you yeah, you can make some improved there, and with him for sound, but you would have to basically, like you said truck in just this huge rack of sub, offers

Shoot it right at somebody to make them lose. Control of their bows. I gave would be very obvious that this is being done. You can't use as as an excuse moving forward. No, I still will alter sound Of our threshold of hearing or twenty killer hurts and above you you were, there is stuff on the market that you can you can. Actually. No direct at somebody. A beam of ultra sounding in India no hurt their hearing, but you're. Not Cause vertigo or anything like that, and to really like oz, major symptoms or something approaching a concussion or traumatic brain injury. With some of these people I note with there is a scientist who said I think his aim is Joseph Palm pays a psycho acoustics expert, which is awesome He said that you would basically have to dip your head in a pool,

all lined with ultra sound ultrasonic transducers take to get like actual brain damage, from that. So they didn't happen. It anybody. So again they said sonic attack, but it must have been some sort of exotic what in that even the CIA is unaware of, I think, a good time for a break. Yes, we agree to stick our heads. In a pool of ultrasonic. transducer. I can't wait to see what happens- and I put my pants very great hey friends, if your business owner, whose hiring you probably face a lot of challenges when it comes to finding the right person for your role, yes,

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cadmium science is on the Savanna Syndrome, thing right, like everyone at this point a saying: it's not a sonic attack, so they started focusing on potential viral attack pesticide poisoning, as this is when the there was a thing and seek a fumigation was going on either. Microwaves, which is interesting and then our favorite. Frankly, one of our favorite topics, as this massive area year we did, we talked about it twice yearly swedish short stuff on Gloria Ramirez. Remember her! and then we also did a full length absurd. Some really interesting cases of mass hysteria from two dozen. Sixteen yes put a pin in that any s is doing their study. They were, No, there are sorted behind able a little bit because by this point things had already progress. You know there is a disadvantage in and ways this was after the fact

they didn't know like these doctors who were who were treating these people they didn't know there were investigating a mystery. They were treating people for. medical issue yeah. So Europe, leads to a situation like that is, is a lot different. If you're not, to getting like. No one is back there saying, hey funding. Weird thing happened to these people. They were dislike, treating It is a naughty and stuff. I gotta seems to be a really big ball drop on the part of the State Department and in a lot of any area, in particular the Cuban Bureau or Havana Bureau, there wasn't anybody at the top saying: hey, there's some clearly going on here all these people, when you go to this one particular doctor and have the dog this one medical center. Somebody looking at you know, look, for early symptoms and documenting this, they were just being treated individually. Finally, one point. They did Kennedy everybody together and have a meeting, but but before that there is just allow.

Truman going on. It was being document and properly so that any yes, just right out of the gate was like this is what we are working with: Korea yeah. I mean they didn't even have stuff like original blood samples from when these people got thing, those at a time that past so they this. They really had no waited till anything. They had incomplete data. To begin with, and then of course you dealing with Cuba so you're not getting You know their investigating some stuff, but it's not like if this happened to Canada and we were really sharing information like that will from what I read the Cubans are saying, like we were totally willing to collaborate. The state Department Route refused to let the Vienna yes talk to us. but I believe that it couldn't they couldn't accept our data. They couldn't yeah, guess the Cubans and conducted neighbourhood surveys had done its own investigation, in the end. A yes was barred from using any of that data, and then one others

that hamstrung them right out of the gate was from the medical files. These are medical files of formats and, in some cases, CIA agents Not only is there like hippo stuff going on Lay Kippur protection so that their things have to be rejected because, like national security stuff Too- and you know like the state department- is very reduction happy when it comes to stuff like that, so there- There are basically handed medical files. I hid huge bike bars everywhere over possible Important information, so you put all this stuff together and National Academy of Sciences cannot possibly arrive at a clear picture of the problem: the symptoms, when what happened when who was near whom, at what point is there camp had they can't possibly map to produce an epidemiological maps of whatever they come up with is going to be flawed, and they realize this from. You know from the Gekko,

so they ended up coming up with the any said. You know what it was directed: pulsed, radio frequency, energy, and we think that most likely cause a couple. A key words they are directed in pulsed means someone did this. It was a very specific, intentional attack It wasn't just some random thing that happened because of Mark away or cell phone towers or anything like that, like it was a purposeful thing and they said, you know one of the reasons that we think it might be. This is the thing the fry effects of our Eu Y know to do with the deceased, former Eagle Glenn fry the ages ago if it were, the heat is on average, who told you about as before. There is a certain lives sketch featuring Ben Stiller, Mary sees Glim fry whose actually well feral our colleague and coworker sure as Glenn fry

at a club. like nominate, go ominous, seduce Glenn fry till his friends, any good. Over any actually successful, but to his own detriment, cause Glenn FRY makes him eat. A dog bowl and keeps him on its head, and this is no wild, like just crazy sex. That's going on and the guy I really regret having seduce claimed fry, but its they referred. The heat is on. Is the ages, though, the really. Everything that I have good state is impossible that I have not mentioned it before so when the words Glenn friar uttered. That's the first thing: you it s pretty much. Every time I have another glimpse rice Dorothea. If you wanna hear it the time in the world, so you mean were travelling and in our car and they're they're, like this eagle song, was

on which one the one about the wheels drive me crazy king. Take it easy I I hate the eagles to begin with from start to finish. I hate their entire catalogue ever every moment of it or that song? Echo is one of the ones I really hate and dumb. We have applied but none are radio, and so I paused it this is live, radio and down. I am positive and there's the song still unlike managed to this is really long song. We do this like five times before like realise that our radio can actually pause, live radio and there were not like in some new concentric circles right now. There is a moment they were like did we die? Is this? Is this? Are we in purgatory cause? This is awful That's really money! Well, I do loving the eagles after many years of night- and so I want to thank selfishness-

your Clayton Jaynes. He was. invited me and Emily to the Eagles concert less than they came to Atlanta, to go back stage there and stand on the stage of Philip Serena, unlike touched on him, he's drunk gettin, look at Joe ashes and glint rise guitars that is so now place in his absence yeah. I think I think you killed it's about that one? There was awesome in an old now. Are you weren't there, the great and the good guy? He does it as other bands like, I think he works a kiss. A lot of you probably enjoy that I would definitely go see kiss for sure yeah version of Clayton listen. We want to go to the police. I wanna meet. Those guys are ok. They scare me still There is another guy named Josh whose cool guy I've lost touch with, but he used to invite us to the new kids shows because he was

I didn't know it was a good production design he's like he paced. It's like you told him of Clayton. He doesn't work with the new kids buddies like this in demand production designer well. One of this shows that is done for multiple yours and rose new kids and he kept inviting the new kid so Why not not because it in one go through the new kids, but there is no. I couldn't go to the new kids every time so, but I turned out if we turn out to be friends is called. You ever heard someone who also ass a guest determining Josh getting yak as we wanna get that's the first show I want to see when they saw TAT the new kids. I acted then get So the fry effects boy? That was a good long said wage earners headway, their tangent? Would we colors tangents irritations? It's the life wedded to share the fry. Zagged basically, is when Pulse MIKE Waves directed at a target can make a clicking sound. in the targets, ears, and only

the person can hear that sound so that they can go back to those. How many people, but some of the people said they did hear a clicking sound before other stuff happen yeah. So they cannot. Mary it's the fry effect. So here's the problem with that at this point that the the National Academy of Sciences, their people, the people, the group they M panel- are just down just ticking off the scientific community because they're, like others, is one This is one quality that can happen from this one weird random thing: that's probably what it is. What is Clearly ignore everything else in vain, that one little piece of information, and so there was it's really can interesting. If you read articles on on the Havana Syndrome, there's a lot of TAT Agnes going. I like you, can get a scientist to call somebody else, basically clown with this stuff

the interesting, the red thought of like a flame, more stuff, but the problem with the fry effect. What has multiple problems? One? they recorded the sound there's, a recording of it out that the AP leaked that you can hear which would discount the fry effect, because only the person being targeted by microwaves, here's the clicking, that's probably the other thing is: is that other acoustic microwave experts say to produce that clicking in the prisons ears. You would cook them to death like that that the amount of energy would take to make their fry effect happen. Brunhilda person, it wouldn't just you know, create the clicking in years, but that's kind of one of the things that they settled on as a potential explanation.

Well, the State Department was like sounds good to me. I buy it yet, and I mean that than the any yes said like worth. Considering all these other things. This is what we think is the most plausible, which is actually really the least plausible yeah, and you know that some of the people in the framework were like. Why did they like? They have these medical experts. Basically, and neurology experts what you need if you're gonna investigate something like this is allotted. Front kinds of experts: you need some acoustic experts. You needs. Like fairly didn't even engage acoustic expert s talking about this acoustic stuff and there I do We need a multi disciplinary team in here and allotted FR fields if you're gonna investigate something like this and age did you are? One of the interpretations I saw was that again. They were working backwards from the Rubio FBI, State Department,

idea theory that it was a sonic attack that that that that was what the press, they were really going on, and then they were trying to work backward to figure out. We know what the attack was was of rather then. Ok, maybe maybe it was intact. Baby was also natural that kind of stuff for accidental who knows yeah I mean they're been other smaller studies, not from the. U S: government like there was, from been Gurion University, that said, you know what we studies and these canadian diplomats and based on their data. We think it was pesticide poisoning, but then a lot of people and it seems the most popular and including the Cuban Academy of Sciences, takes out for what it's worth. But A lot of them came back and said now I hate to say it, but this was be mass hysteria and some sort of psychological either illness or mass hysteria episode go and get a lot of people agree with him on that

Cuba. By the way, they have very I'm like a really good health care system and a really solid scientific community, so they communicate Cuban Academy of Sciences, not like the Banana republic, a career sciences or anything like that from what I understand of urban to Cuba. But this That seems to be the most widely subscribe to theory that it was. It was quite called conversion disorder where you basically have psychogenic illness. Somebody is told what the swedish symptoms. Is they start developing it themselves? And then this is tight, knit community it starts to seem to spread in the thing about. is called conversion disorder. You are. You are actually exists It's in your body is experiencing those symptoms, just like in the brain, able effect where you take a pill, it actually does it make you healthy, even though it's not an active gradient, but your boss

Your mind can make your body do things if it thinks something is going on. This is the kind of like thing mere image of that or you start to suffer because your mind tricks you and to think that you have these symptoms and it seems to spread because people are it's like fears. contagion and in an instant like this year. This has happened before I think we talked about it least wanted more to the year two thousand in Portugal, cash. We do this in two thousand. Second, We talked about it after for sure. We want those. Two years before we are born you just embryo get that twinkle in Adam curries. I grasped, yeah. Two thousand six in Portugal, those students in high school, I think, was high school right. There was a call it. I think your high school year there hundreds of students in forging different schools all developed these,

symptoms, rashes and dizziness and breathing difficulties? and then it happened again in New York in two thousand eleven twelve high school students developed what they but was correct syndrome and release symptoms of. sounds like a dead dead. Does that sounds made up in principle, I be like you're you're, all recommended for even trying. This is they did was yet a great exactly sure, yeah, there's another one in opal home in two thousand seventeen that actually was happening about the same time as the Savanna Syndrome outbreak where there was actually kids were here lies. They were getting. They thought that there was some sort of crazy like me, older, auto immune disorder, something like that and they were suffering paralysis and that's the thing about conversion disorder. Is these kids we're paralyzed, but it was their mind that had paralyze them because they thought they been exposed to something that that was made. then paralyzed and it turns out it was just in there

fines and that's what a lot of people think Havana Syndrome is that it was just a psychogenic illness Yes, so I think we should take it but will leave you with a subtle cliffhanger in this S report they reference data, from an earlier report by the CDC there was commissioned. completed and Congress and everyone else looked around and said what CDC report. What are you talking about? So let's take a break and will come back and talk about this mystery right after that nice cliffhanger. This episode is brought it

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that they put the they made mention of a CDC report that no one else had heard of it, like you said, including Congress, and it turns out that the state depart had initially commission the CDC? Shortly after this this outbreak began and said? you guys figure out what's going on, and so, if it turns out that there is actually a yes study. Was the second scientific study done on this and the CDC I didn't really come up with much more than the Anna yesterday yeah. They issue Eighteen page report titled and they spent half the time trying to figure out how to there is a vigorous debate over that. no really cog, Cuba, unexplained events, investigation and, like you said they kind of came up empty too. They were, hamstrung in a lot of the same ways that the enemy S was and the head of state that had dragged its feet and didn't

the protocols in place for the investigation Think one of the one of- Only things that can it came out of the city, see report. There was helpful, which I guess is whether any s used it in the first place. Was. It did fill in a few of the details about what happened to whom yeah. So they manage Sir Neil down patient zero. Who first reported some neurological symptoms in mid December of two thousand sixteen, and that was a CIA officer in Havana. That's you, officer mention their symptoms to a second CIA officer who so who like it. Four months later the same Simba see where this is going up, and so after that times, currently patient zero. The first CIA officer, who this happened to me was right.

The instrumental in like spreading the word about this and was, I seems, to have been very convinced that they had been attack, that there was a sonic attack going on and that the word needed to be spread about this, and so, as a result, the the I think the Havana Embassy held a meeting and basically said listen out for weird sounds and if you see to get this huge, weird collection is symptoms. Let us know, because we're probably under sonic attack that solves that and went back to bed there right and maybe not Incidentally, a lot of incidents is happened after that happen, and on energy and they said you know you wanna go home right. Here's here's one with a fast track there. Although Cuba tickets perceiving

I so maybe they weren't gonna get out of there, but in the end, ninety five people were seen for these symptoms, in the CDC report. It said that fifteen of those- two stage illness was the noise that we talked about and those acute symptoms and then second, a few weeks later Couple weeks later, they had that neurological damage, I think. Third, one of the cases where maybe he's forty, nine were unlikely, and men of those fifty in view of that to stage syndrome wilder what was issued. There were six of them still getting treated, so it wasn't even like their treat was copyright yeah I mean that's, that's the thing like whether psychogenic illness or sonic attack- or you know, fumigation poisoning from you know. Zika pesticides like there there were still people there are still being treated for symptoms for over a year is a nasty symptoms like Vertigo is nothing

to nothing, nothing, fine, we're vomiting or dizziness her inability to concentrate there's a lot of terrible stuff that that people were we're having to deal with what, were the there that's the reason for the symptoms were, which you know, makes a lot of people think like now. This is this is a real thing and in these people were attacked and we need to find out what it is. The cdc at least said we have no idea. we re, not figure it out that they said for like at that conclusion that they couldn't possibly put forth any kind of explanation. They just mainly documented everything which is certainly a mark in the CDC favour in a mark against the the end a yes, the CDC resisted. You know saying: yes, it was microwaves and it was probably the rust keys, yeah and that all came about. You know after everyone, a lot of scientists it that is

directed the findings? Cuba? acted the findings. We told you earlier that they got all up in arms and said: hey, listen We try to help you take this seriously. We weren't a part of this but and that in a s panel somebody said something about Russia, and you know. Obviously, Russia is in bed with Cuba, and they said you know, it's. Maybe it was Russia. We do know that in the seventies they were trying to nice microwaves in fact, for like three years straight, three have Here's pounded the american Embassy in Moscow. Microwaves. I don't. No, if they had an end game there, I think search was like a little. he would turn it on I think it really did anything if it went on for three and a half years and apparently, of course, will never know cause this but supposedly they gonna gave up all that stuff. Decades ago,

seven days when they were shooting microwaves at the American Embassy in Moscow, and as far as anybody knows that that Technology was pursued any further, so if there is any kind of sonic weapon that is conceivable, that is, that is capable of producing the sweet of symptoms. it is news to the world. There are people who say like his penis security experts, a kind of group who say gets entirely possible that somebody's developed this. Without the? U S being aware of it, I saw a quote that America tends to be very surprised that not that certain things exist. that other people have caught up to America's technology. So Hubert here, but at the same time is kind of like is suggesting America or certain quarters of America are fully aware that this is possible, which is why their pursuing that sonic attack thing, but they can't you

you like it's. This see everybody. We ve had this for twenty years now we just did brow that the Cubans had it kind of thing so the U, s still seems to be in a with the expulsion of the cuban to cuban diplomats is basically saying. If Cuba doesn't know, if they didn't do it, they know who did it and they may be even let it happen, because, apparently, magic residences in Cuba, are owned and maintained by the cuban government, so it's not like they just had no opportunity to to learn his kind of thing, but Cuba, like you, said, extremely adamant that they had nothing to do with this and that would never let this happen to any accredited diplomat in their country. You step outside of the United States to really finally, is the rest of the world is totally fine with Cuba. It's really just the United States that that you know at odds with Cuba.

Cuba's cool with everybody else. Like apparently, a million Canadians go Cuba every year on on vacation, so it's kind of like some, thing that they're not really happy about the idea that there, if you go to Cuba, you might suffer the sonic attack, they could, at the very least, hurt their tourism industry, If not just you know impinging there, you know how they treat diplomats from their countries are allow them to be treated. It's it's a real insult and in that respect, yeah I think it's also the end result was the? U S, government and I was kind of exposed a little bit of dragging their aid and not being coordinated and not maybe having there that's in a row, and I think, if anything like this were to happen again if they had enough egg on their face to sort of get it together to at least sort to be coordinated, from the get go and have a multi disciplinary investigation, gaunt yeah and this whole thing like, though they are big argument and pushing

among. The scientific community is still very much on going on. There is a paper. Public the examined some brain scans of some of these diplomats that were taken at Penn state. I believe- and these the authors of this study can cause. that. You know a lot of them showed evidence of trauma and then other scientists responded and said. I The sudden show trauma at all is exactly what you would find from a random sample of the population, other people, number. I said that they recorded the sound that they hurried. Apparently couple of biologists ran that sound through spectral analysis and show that it exactly matches, a specific kind of cricket, that's native to Cuba and the Caribbean, so that those dislike- it's still being hammered out, like we said Anthea at the beginning that this is not its not settle. No one has any idea. Yet exactly what- It isn't, it seem, like the most satisfying its Ruby psychogenic illness, but even

still. I mean that. Doesn't seem to really explain everything necessarily yeah, a pretty good mystery, still good, miss and who doesn't love that right and again for I hated it, I don't care what clarify lighter, didn't want If you want to know more about the Havana Syndrome, go check out. The copious amounts of articles about there's a lot of stuff out there. It's really interesting in engrossing stuff, see what you think I and, since I said see where you think it's time for listener: mail, when you think about that ages story, Diego the ages boom boom. Oh no there's no from Beverly Hills COP, the heat is on those languages. Like hang enough of the back of a semi area,

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