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So that nobody even cares anymore, that's Jake, Tapir he's. The host of the CNN shows the lead state of the union. In addition, he was honour worth. Jake is a prolific writer. His two thousand twelve of the outpost is IRAN. Kingly detailed account of a devastating battle in Afghanistan. It's real we ve been adapted into an acclaimed feature film of the same name chicken. I discuss the almost two decades conflict in Afghanistan. The importance of combating views and his criticism of New York Governor Andrew foremost coded nineteen response. That's coming up stay tuned. Let's get to your questions. This question comes at an email from lame who writes dear pre. First, I love your podcast thanks lame

Secondly, I am concerned that from signalled yesterday regarding Delay Maxwell that his comment, that he quote wishes. Farewell end quote was code for don't Feel anything- and I will pardon you- is that possible would be so disgusting of true is. There anyway then, if you take the case of the state of New York and or Florida were trumped, does not have pardoned power thanks, much. I would really appreciate your insight best regards lane. Well, I think your instinct is exactly right on and lots of would join you in assessing that? That's exactly what I was doing. I just wish her. Well, frankly, met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in palm Beach and I guess they lived in palm beach. But I wish your well that he was sending a message, as he has done in the past, with respect to other cases, that if you keep your mouth shut and take care of yourself and take care of me, then maybe they'll

and benefit for you in the future. You'll recall he did sort of that thing with Roger Stone. He tweeted openly during dependency the Roger Stone case that stone was being to have these backwards in front of me, with being a brave and courageous, by keeping his mouth shut and not spilling. The beans Roger shown himself seemed to acknowledge that he and understanding of what might happen to him if he didn't and his words turn on the present, which he did not so This is another example of Donald Trump sort of thumbing here those at how the operation of justice should unfold in a normal digital matter where norms are observed, because he doesn't observe them, because I'll drop. It's a little odd to be taking time at the presidential podium to wish well, one who has been charged with something a series of southern District of New York has charged with essential to sex trafficking of young girls. Some people we're not that comes in stark contrast to the kinds of public Stephen made about other people. It took a long time for dollar in the same week to make any

judgment at all about the passing of civil rights. Your Jean Louis, I didn't even bother to go to his own respects. same time with respect to delay Maxwell saying here Is her well, which any further supports. The theory that he's trying to be nice to a nice about her, in the hopes that, if she does have information that is damaging to the president for his associates that you'll keep that to herself. There one interesting issue on the timing is this: the Maxwell case has just begun. There won't be a trial at any point in the near future, and it is possible to trample be out of office. by the time, there's a conclusion to that case so depending on what the certain chances are if there is a possibility that Maxwell has damaging formation to the president or associate of his. If he ends up leaving office by general twentieth of next year, he loses the ability to pardon her, so that'll be an interesting thing to watch. I also think Those controversial as some of his prior, pardons and commutation have been. I think, really. Any kind of clemency

in advance of a conviction for fraudulent Maxwell would really top all of those in terms of controversy and criticism and negativity. Trot himself has not made the allegation with respect to Maxwell that she has been treated unfairly like you did, with Roger Stone and Michael Flynn, and the charges are a lot more serious than the charges. In those other cases, So I never see the doll trumpets about anything and is proven himself not to be, but I think any kind of clemency for Joy Maxwell, given the charges and if there are able to be proved would be a bridge too far asked the states of Europe in Florida could do something about it. I dont know what investigations are taken. in those states. I don't want evidence, they have no satchel patients issues are in those states haven't researched it, but yes, your correct that a state prosecutor's decide to bring a case against delay, Maxwell and successfully prosecutor for some crimes. Those would not be pardonable or communicable by president drop. You saw an effort to do that. That has not been fully successful on the part

dance. With respect. To pull. Metaphor too, will have to see. This question comes at an email from man who writes apron, love the show having insider as well. I'm a lawsuit from Oregon, curly Turning for the d o J prior to my remote three l year, I've been surprised, see that EU essays do a lot of civil work, particularly immigration worth Those are the use attorneys for the various districts in civil matters, similar USA ever transition to the criminal side, and vice versa. Thanks Matt flouts momentum. did you ask the question, because it gives me an opportunity to brag about one of the most well kept secrets that they are. Various office in the southern district, and many was tourneys offices and within the department just to sew up my office had about, depending on the time two hundred twenty assistant. U S attorneys in Allow the attention gets focused on the criminal prosecutions in criminal cases, about a hundred and sixty five criminal

says and about fifty five civil aliases. That's a pretty large group of folks when the biggest ever divisions in the country, and they do a lot of amazing, impressive work and one of the great pleasure of being the US attorney. Having servers lives isn't in the criminal division is, I got to know the men, women on a civil side and incredibly impressed by their work, their contributions, and I mention a few of them so on the affirmative I'd subdivision, does investigations and brings cases in the If civil rights we pursued a lotta cases with respect to enforcement of the Americans with Disabilities act. In fact, I think this week marks the thirty three through the passage of that act, and I remember very well the twentieth anniversary of the passage that act. We undertook a very big programme to make sure the restaurants in New York within the district were complying with the idea you may have heard about or read about our civil rights work with respect to Rikers Island a similar case. We brought and also criminal cases. We brought a guy

the correction officers who violate the civil rights and caused the deaths of inmates, it wreckers island those cases. The criminal cases were done jointly by our civil division in our criminal division. Holding those people accountable and bring justice to the families of the items. We also commence and investigation very massive one of conduct. of housing run by the New York City, housing authority, which ended up resulting in a very huge settlement with the city. And then, while so something very proud of, at least in our office. We started to do affirmative civil cases relating to financial institutions and fraud at financial institutions where criminal cases did not seem to be appropriate or we're. Not gonna be possible to buy We did those kinds of things as well and then on. The defensive side civilization lawyers who represent agencies of the government when they are sued by individuals or other organisations. There deeply involved in freedom of Nation ACT, litigation too deeply involving national security law. So

There are a million things at the civil diversion folks do which people can be proud of, and I wish it got more attention, and so, as you think, about the kind of work you want to do in the future, civil division is great, virginity. Ask your question to a series of a transition to the criminal side vice versa, that it happens from time to time there have been people who but a number of years. The civil division wanna try something different got a taste for perhaps when they were doing criminal trials and the civil rights area and so they move over to the criminal side doesn't happen so frequently in the other direction. For some reason, but thanks to your question, This question comes in a tweet from Ben Klaus, whose handle is at loose rooster. Good name is, she's in reference to some of the bill bar testimony from this week about the consequences, moving Jeff Berman from the Austrian. Why endless MR tweets at prepare? Our? Is it true that quote, as is a quote from the

or anybody familiar with the d o J knows at removing the component head, isn't going to have any effect on any pending investigation. Close quote: hashtag aspirin Also that's interesting question. A couple of other people have asked it, including a journalist when they heard the testimony. I actually tend to agree with Bill bar in ordinary sir, dances entering ordinary times and I'll. Tell you why I give that copyright in the moment I have always found, interesting that some people have the view that because your movie United Attorney, remove a idea: remove the head of the civil division with criminal division at main justice that some sensitive investigate and that has been pursued by line assistance for a long period of time or perhaps even a prosecutor. That's underway charges, having been brought that somehow the removal of the of the office is gonna causa case to evaporate, doesn't work that way. Deadlines gets cases have their own dynamic and their own momentum and judges expect proceedings to continue a pace. Because remember it's: it's not the! U S attorney

It was doing the cases I wasn't the one going to the banks and asking their documents. I wasn't the one who is on the street. Doing interviews going to the grand jury I presided over the office and lead the office line, agents line, prosecutors who worked together in tandem to develop the cases the understanding as your, for example, when I started on August thirteen, two thousand nine- I inherited thousands of cases they didn't stop. I didn't call an all hands meeting and say: okay, tell me about the hundred cases that were working on their very important and let me think about which thirty five cases I'm going to end and clothes, because I feel like it so how it works. It's not how a professionally one office works. Political appointed as a person at the top, but everyone else, the staff, the lawyers are career public servants, some of whom have been there, very very long time, so they have their own momentum, have their own energy. They have their own timeline which is why, by the way when there was a we'll controversy about the firing of Jim call me people

Emily said? Well, I don't know what that was. Gonna get get the president, because again it's a component head who doesn't necessarily the investigations, investigations or advancing investigations overseas overseas investigations and a replacement for Jim me would reasonably Kennedy investigations that were going on now. The reason I give a caveat is we're not surely in normal times. And we have seen by the way, with respect to the work of our mother, That a change in leadership, the change and who was overseeing those cases and responsible for those cases has worked a substantial change in how those cases move forward. In both the case of Roger Stone and the case of Michael Flynn. Cases brought by the mother team have been undone insignificant ways by mothers no longer in charge of those cases they ve gone to the use of chinese office for the District of Columbia and Bill BAR has been able to reassert his control and command over those cases, because is no longer a special

so to contend with so in the abstract as a general matter in professional offices, cases continue in weird rare circumstances, some of which were seeing now there's an argument. Maybe they won't listen Your question is: what can we go on it s day and why I dont have a concern that the removal of Jeff Burma will cause legitimate, good faith investigations to come to an end is to come to an end in a very large reason, for that is Jeff Burma's stood firm and acquiesced in the firing only after it was clear that his deputy Audrey Strauss would be taken of the office of this continuity expect US it is to continue. I expect if someone at main justice, like Bill BAR, tries to interfere, tries to influence cases, illegitimate and bad faith, way that that will be met with substantial resistance that the public might even find out about it. So the question thanks for asking

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hundred dollars off when you use code preach a tax base, dot com. Jake Tapirs, two thousand twelve of the output. About the war in Afghanistan was recently adopted into a powerful film, which you should all see he joins me today to reflect on the conflict and talk the other pressing political issues on his right arm from covered night, In revisionism to exhaustion would present trumps twitter attacks. Jake Tapir welcome to the show. Thanks are having a great vigor. It's been a long, Why have you want for a long time? it is a little bit of a of turning of the tables, usually you're. The one ask me questions now I could ask you, questions. Are you? Are you ready for that sharp? I guess I'll see you seem totally unintermittent it, which is the correct. Maybe so? But one thing is clear: we have guests on the show and I like. I know some of them pretty well, and I've known you for a long time followed you for a long time

You gotta know each other, but then when I have someone on the show, I get a bundle of research. things about them guess I guess I have what you call a dossier J. I haven't you ok and I've seen I used to wear a little bit while its office, one proves to be reliable, while you I'm giving it a chance to. Comment about one thing, this interesting about you have a lot of talents. Obviously journalist Talent, writing talent, but also how drawings? and you show that, obviously, every week in the state cartoon by talk about that little bit, but when I didn't realize you have been drawing cartoons for time and once upon a time, tell me from correct or not your penchant for drawing got u suspended from school. Well, it's, I think suspended per se forsake system exists, I didn't get suspended per se wealth and it didn t care if they didn't say what had happened. I have talked about this before publicly bit my friends and I were mischief maker

I think it's a nice way to put it in concocted away to come up with a mad magazine style fold in, and they gotta yearbook. I drew it and designed it and then a bunch of Michael conspirators got it in your book and enough of payment for it and all that stuff? You must pay like a hundred and twenty dollars for a full page out or something like that, and when you folded it in it was it form the a visual of a particular appendage of them of the male and female anatomy? no sir, That said, I will be here and there isn't it. There was an instruction for readers and its head for all the best for other yes either so was I don't know what's wrong with you really need to know is whether to problem yeah one would hope that wouldn't be. Are you less mischievous today yeah doubling

You know they ve the teachers found out about it the day of graduation. That's that's when they found out We weren't suspended because there was nothing to suspend us from, but we did get in trouble. We did not get our diplomas that, with everybody else. We Marston graduation, but we just got empty Naga hide folders and we we have a new community service and is apology was a whole. It was a whole thing and I would not recommend it and now the Euro eleven. for untold era of my alma mater are rum assiduously checked every year by the faculty advisors of of the school. It was it. It was a speech is a scandal and is embarrassing when you think about it. I didn't really have much to be done, going about both. Do regret it. If you do it over again, you do it again. It's a nice! That's a funny story! Now I mean you know, I'm not fifty one! No one, not eighteen, I will let you know tat if my fifty one euro brain was in that area,

nobody would I do it again and was worth, but you know I wasn't fifty one of the time I was here felt that I had a lot to repel about him. the forty in this and that in now that quality ended up serving me. Fine suspicion and distrust of authority, but better probably hopefully, a gentleman in a more constructive way. Today. I think that's probably right when you talk about something that I know that you are proud of and that a lot of people talking about- and that is the movie the outpost based on a book that you wrote years ago, congratulations on the success. I've watched it. It's really amiss really compelling. It's really really well done directed by rivalry, Are you? Are you pleaded how came out? I am, I think, I did a really good job rod, has done a lot of very political movies on the contender

and has very strong political opinions and those are not in the movie which which I was very happy about, because the focus is not but of all either. The book is just about these. men and women in this one location and their faith he is and what they want. They went through because We and our leaders sent them there and we send them as we did and on You can apply whenever politics on that you want you can take, would have unless you want to learn from it, but I think right did those men and women of a real service by the movie Hugh. So is linked to the facts storm in our view, liberties taken here and there, but generally speaking, it is true and farmers in the audience, watching the film in combat offers in what it was like? in a way that I don't think has been done as effectively as As raw does it, since Stevens the word at the beginning of seven private right and when you feel like you're, actually storming

beaches of of Normandy is everybody here, Sir look: We'll make a great progress here again. We still got a lot of work to do. Our post Still, a target of insurgents noticed. How do we do our jobs you stay safe? We need to keep a good relationship with the locals. Respect It's a safe, so I'm adjustment yeah, I'm really I'm very I think right did a great job casting crude that an amazing job as these, things. Go I mean you know, change one or two things, you're, not sure, but like given all the things that could go wrong with taking

rebook and making it fell, and I feel really lucky one. the unfortunate things about the pandemic in their, so many of them is that the move? not to be able to be appreciated for most people on a big screen, and- and this is the kind of film, but I think you want to see a big screen. So that's unfortunate, that's true, but once it sank, wants it safe again. I imagine why have no idea let me hope been. Perhaps there would be a release and studios and is in theatres. I don't. I don't now, but if you have a decent tv, No, I tried I try to use it as an excuse to get an eighty six inch television. My wife was not even for tapir you ve heard Afghanistan simple, non complex subject, but back when you said something that was interesting, and I don't want you to explain what you meant. You said we haven't. a nineteen year war. We fought a one year war, nineteen times what you mean by that well there's just so little institutional memory,

We know so. I went out so I set out to write a book about the history of this outpost. Combat offers, killing and. people we know in two thousand. I had no idea why their observation Post was named after a frenzy. And in fact, you know when the army did its report on its after action report. After the big battle they didn't even referred observation post, frisky embedded even pronounce it correctly. I think they called it like for fresh or something like that people, don't even know there's no knowing that that those are small, little details like how to pronounce the name of your observation post, but they don't. they're just isn't the history of while this guy in the valley is reliable and this person isn't in this guy could be helped and says what I mean and blame diamond obeying the soldiers it just, as is the way that the situation is set up there

the army has a certain mindset and the minds as we can do whatever you tell us to do tat. what to do and will do it, which is great. And very admirable, but also means that it's difficult to ignore mistakes, it's difficult to step away from decisions that were made that were bad because the environment changed in two thousand six when they set up the outpost, combat Oppose Keating does ways in Afghanistan and in that valley was very different than it was in two thousand eight thousand nine. But there is a just reluctance to shut things down, and that's what I mean. It's not it's. If it isn't one coherent whole for the whole time. It's just. heart decision making by whoever is in charge any given year, and I just think that leads to a lot of my office vision and short term decisions, and this is how it operates

and again I am not criticising the many women who would do this, but just as it as a person who became an expert on this one combat outpost, I mean, I think, I have to ask: why would I d, like the World Authority on combat, Oppose Keating. I I've never been there. It was destroyed a couple days, I heard about it. For the first time I mean there should be a waiter somebody to have more institutional knowledge about what works, and what does it work? Can you describe combat outposts kidding and there's this early, seeing the movie the makes you understand why really dangerous place as the soldiers there look up at the mountains, well that's based on real. You know that's based on a real experience that so combat up was Keating was at the bottom of three steep mountains really steep mountains. Also not in the movie, but in real life right next to two rivers as well, and

it was about forty miles from the border with Pakistan, a very poorest border, where a lot of bad guys live- and so it was just about as dangerous applied, as there was because is the enemy have the high ground the scene in the end the buck where they are seen in the film were they and at night ends, critically on the night, with his very little moon the light on anything, that's better the men and women with would go into the outburst at night and day. A word, this morning they ve got up see. stunningly horrifying image of this panoramic like, oh, my God, were surrounded by the high ground, which is obviously the worst thing you want, if you're, in a military situation because randomly has? all the advantages and you have none Brasil Why does one build an outpost in a valley like that? and this this is-

One of the things that when I set out to write the book I buy, that was the big because everybody in two thousand nine was like. We dont know why this balance was built here, and so I went to find out why the answer is in two thousand six George, had changed the mission in Afghanistan. It was no longer just going after the Taliban and Al Qaeda it was about bill. The nation of Afghanistan and the way they were doing that- was setting up these little outposts all over northeastern Afghanistan. At that point, Colonel now Jane Now retired General Nicholson is the one who put a bunch of these. Allow us all over and why were they little? They were little because most of the troops there were deployed were in Iraq Afghanistan, so they had to be small little camps and and why were they at the bottom of the mountain? Well, because, in that part of Afghanistan, your either at the top of the mountain or the bottom about because its mountainous- and

the only way to get to the camp and resupply the camp was by road. Because, once again, almost all the helicopters in Iraq, not Afghanistan. So You have a big decisions being made by the President, George W Bush later Barack Obama and big decisions being made by the secretaries of defence, whether Rumsfeld or gates, are never about. What's Priority: what's not a priority wit, where do we send? Our troops were always under helicopters, and that ends at meaning. This outpost is small, and it has to be by the road and that's that's why so why did you choose to write this book and the time you did it's actually kind of a weird story Son was born October. Second, two thousand nine, and the outpost was attacked October. Thirteen, the nine at some point during that

weaken that pays. You know my wife just having given birth to a second trial over first son an only son in the recovery room at the hospital with her there was some. When you're home, where I was holding my son and watching the news and hearing about eight There are signs taken from the earth at the same, that I just got mine and there was something poignant. In that moment, and I wanted to know who these men were, I want to know why they were at this incredibly indefensible place, and I can't waited for somebody in the media to investigate it and they never did so. I did and that's how it happened and the other reason like a kind of even told the story other than the fact that its true ways, because I initially confronted alot of skeptical groups that wanted to know why I cared why I wanted to tell the story,

and at one point one of em. I remember a guy who ran a kill team cricket, Cunningham Cricket Cunningham was displaced. article. Why do you want to do this and I told them that story than it has told you and announced God's honest truth? Is happened and that was the moment that I realized it, and ended in on it want to convert cricket, cooperated with a book. So there becoming a this obsession in this mission. For me, till the third of two thousand nine to give us a sense, my right that there were only about fifty some odd soldiers, a combat outposts kidding when they were attacked by the Taliban? Fifty three, terrorism? There are fifty three? U S, troops to latvian and troops as part of the coalition. and then some afghan troops, but the afghan troops were worthless, they ran away. The latvian troops were great, they helped out, but it was basically this is it,

free troops in the bottom. The valley against somewhere between three hundred four hundred insurgents, lowers the prospect of survival for the soldiers in the camp happen. Was it for them. It's amazing than any of them made out to be honest they didn't have air support close by by the time our support got there the insurgents had set up in such a way that they were found. bring upon the helicopters It's called enemy in the wire either got engaged they are in the camp walkin around as it as it is depicted in the film I mean they. It is literally amazing than any of them survived much less than forty five of them survived as if enough of the fifty but it was the deadliest stay for the? U S in Afghanistan, that year and it was Margo and the only reason that they survived. In addition to air support, which is which was obviously huge, but it came, relatively late and the only reason they survived is because of the incredible courage shown by

these men fighting for their survival and every one of the guys who was killed. That day, I was of doing something to help their fellow soldiers her brothers, every single one of them whether it was supplying- ray supplying ammunition or trying to fire every single one of them died. Heroically. It's just a remarkable, three and forty five, arrived, but a lot of them are stolen in bad shape. In fact, whether these it struck me was how many people, both living in debt, received, received orders from the military, and I think it's the case, and it says this in a capture the movie. That was the first time in fifty years, a two metals of honor rewarded, course of one battle for living recipients. That's true! There was a time via the black HAWK band Mogadishu Incident There were two models of honour:

that battle, but they were both awarded posthumously. This was the first time since Vietnam, the two living from the same battle had been awarded the medal of honor, and it really is just a testament to how heroic everyone was in the truth of the matter. Is there any of those guys who got who could have gotten the medal of Honor, based on the definition of what is given for when you know when you you right it? Basically, if you know that you could die, you are likely to die and you do something anyway and Michel deserve that entire Carter deserve that And there are a number of other guys could probably deserved it as well. When you talk to the people who survived the soldiers who survived that attack, What's there mindset how they feel about the position they are put in how they feel about the military, how they feel about the war, while forty five of them right, you were there that day, not to mention others who, were you know local? for operating bears. They know their opinions everything run run the gamut of politics and emotion. I think

state farm soldiers than you know. What that mean. One of the amazing things about it is that after the outpost was attacked in the battle happened in October, they still had to serve out the rest of their tour. some like they got to go home. They still at the dessert address the torrent. All may or June of two thousand ten, So I mean I don't think there is a lot of time the process what they went through. A lot of them have survivors guilt, which is a very real thing. Why did I make it an end? My buddies didn't, out of them deal with it in different ways. There's a character in the movie at falconer. You might remember him he's at the beginning of the movie smoking hash while on guard duty and then he's one of the heroes when Josh Heart and Chris Griffin. Go on their mission to try to save the guy stuck in the in the humvee father is the only one who makes it back Griffin in heart tonight, walk. There was a real guy. He, oh deed. He was discharged from the military

and because of his problems with drugs, and here he did before year anniversary of the attack, so I mean you know. That's the only one of those guys like that, and I know that That has indeed But a lot of the other guys are having you know a rough time. Divorces, various levels of self medication some of them are doing fine and me I should say I mean some of them that I'm in touch with her seem to be thriving and have a team Doing really really well, but So it runs again. It really, but I mean I've never really ass any of them. Add the army? Are you mad at Mcchrystal All who is the general? The time WAR Obama, who is the president the time or whoever em it was this more about like what in the year when than when I talked to them. How are you doing? Doesn't it you angry about the army and how they retreated and what position the were put in.

It makes me angry yeah, for very angry. It makes me angry but one of the other things that I feel like it I feel like a lot of this book is for me. Is it was just opening my eyes about power. Decisions made in Washington and of having real world consequences, two men and women, whether its just about going into. Our particularly off area of Afghanistan or not providing full protection yeah. It makes me very angry now that I know a lot of these men and women and their families. It makes me you know. I know these kids Don't have dad's dies, but it's not like I'm angry at Bush or Obama, or it's just more like I'm trying kind of makes me angry. I just all of it. Just the United States, I'm not mad at America, but just like the way than ours.

Decisions are made about putting these very brave people in harm's way, like but the entire system of it of whether its Does the house her Senate voting on these missions or the Pentagon and how they make decisions President's how they make decisions. cars I, who is the president of Afghanistan at the time and how he made decisions just the whole thing, the public, the media, all of it it does It's me feel, like none of us, are worried of what these men and women are willing to do for us in our most was done even pay attention. certainly include myself. In that event, all you know was kind of radicalized by watching what happened with covered up with you, I was even though I was a white as reporter for ABC News. I wouldn't say that I was firmly paying attention to every single development in Afghanistan or Iraq,

I'm so an appeal more than anger, really Prieta makes me sad. Demand does a couple days after the bat, of October, two thousand nine, as you mentioned already, we blew the hopeless up razed to the ground, yet because there is no point: There is no point like the guys who came in there colonel now, General Randy George and then can occur in all colonel up. Brad Brown, they king, into their command? Why to close down cop contributing in a number of the other outpost that had been set up in two thousand sex. They D had no strategic purpose. What do people in the military virtue is a self licking ice cream come meaning It's only there to exist for itself. That's its! You know. That's all it accomplishes. They were not making any headway in convincing the locals to lay down their arms and not. join the insurgency, even though there have been some achievements along

his lines, and maybe two thousand seven hundred, group under a different set of circumstances, so they blew it all up? and that's one of the what one of the ways to look at the Afghanistan war, not that nothing has been accomplished in Afghanistan. Of course, stuff. Of course, many things have been accomplished, but one of the ways to understand the Afghanistan war is to look at this one outpost and what had dawn and why these men had been asked to die, and the truth of the matter as they were asked to die for nothing. They would. They ended up dying for them, but for the brothers and for survival, and that's not nothin, that's a lot, but are we worth The sacrifices was the mission we sent them on worth. That sacrifice and I think that's, I think, that's an open question. Another issue relates to Afghanistan. That makes a lot of people angry. I suspect basin something said makes you angry. Also it's been a few weeks now, since we heard reports of children's community, believing that there were somebody's being placed on

U S and other service members in Afghanistan and I got to tell you- I don't hear a lot about that- it's one of those things it seems to have faded from from the news. Why is that? How you feel about that and in what are your thoughts on the underlines? well. I did. I did a commentary at the end of state of the union about this earlier this week and I can understand. Why there been many new developments in the journalism part of this, because you know I've been here. I has done an amazing job reporting the story which The media outlets, including CNN, have have mast, which is another. Is this The? U S, intelligence got intercepts said suggested some payment, omg are you, which is the russian military intelligence unit, gee, are you account going too? Taliban linked accounts, and they think that that's part of the bounty but beyond beyond.

Whether or not it was part of a a bounty. It's just pretty much understood the Russians are helping. The Taliban with money and arms, so with almost to be free kind of beside the point- whether or not this particular point of intelligence is percent agreed upon with an intelligence community which is which it is not by the very fact that the Russians are helping the men who are trying to do all our service members and british service members is fairly undisputed. in intelligence are also I have. Be honest. I am. I was stunned that the present it did at least four interviews last week, and I didn't hear one question about any of us now just like having made a determination on the intelligence or the larger point I just made, which is whether other

stories. True, the Russians are helping the Taliban. Have you confronted Putin about this? Why haven't you confront? Put it about then why'd you. Why would you invite Russia be Join the G7 become the G8 again. Knowing this, I can't understand it left, because people are desk about person, woman man, camera tv. By the way I have that memorize. Now the person. One man, camera tv, but but you locker after who interviewed him, wants to talk about covert fine but there, their people and their who asked other questions and we want them. As Chris Wallace someone, I want a red back. A tweet of yours, Chris Wallis, has been apparently suggesting the Joe Biden is unfair, becoming on his show ache. Eating Sunday morning show for a sit down, and then you do tweeted quote speaking a back to the story. Speaking of sit down. You mean increased Wallace had an interview with the.

is at an end. You asked about mean tweets about you and not about until her It's about you. Are you bounties against? U S and you service members. Some people were surprised when you agreed to this interview to sit down with me what it is, especially because of some of the main tweets that you ve said about Nay, MIKE Wallace, wannabe, nasty and of noxious. I will tell you, after that, one my son Peter, who knew that call than he said nasty now of noxious. Any response from Chris was no- and I probably dissent that tweet but I do get. I do get emotional about this. I do get angry about cavalier way that politics and the people, The media act about our troops. I do I get upset me I probably was emotion talking in that tweet, but I did it. It made me now, because the Chris asked a number of tough fine questions against the president,

it's not like that in our view was comparable to the ones I could name better ridiculous. Chris didn't you did an interview. but he also did spend a great deal of time relatively talking about how the present thinks he's mean, thinks he's nasty and you spend spend time too. About how these actually really tough, and he was tough on call me in EAST Africa and its just like This is one of the things we are people, The media- and I am certainly not immune to this- we're all so focused on ourselves and it is really robbed me the wrong way that nobody asked about this when we're talking about service members who have been killed, and there are specifically one idea, attack that went on in two thousand and ten were three Marines were killed, the families of those Marines are here. They want answers. Is it true? Is that what happened then? There's no- we don't know if it's true or not, but it is being investigated by the military, and I just thought

was deserving of your question and I just thought that the meaning about so answers. afraid to go on my shell bubble. I mean, like you know. I could do that everyday about from from from pleasant, giving me an interview since two thousand and sixteen if it's kind of stupid of me. Politicians do interviews and is based on a whole number of factors in it's. It's not really the point, point is what are you doing when you get an opportunity like that, and I was really upset that nobody, and if one of them it asked, I would not go further than the commentary at all. It is one of a mad and it's not to single out Chris. I mean there are a number of people Genovese with Russia, and it could have any one of us, and it is why, but what's it puts the answer I missed? Some of these people are not known. journalists and it seems to be an important where what? What is the reason why some things are not asked about your theory.

Cop, I don't know and lock you could go it's again. Is it probably wasn't fairer of because you can go into empty any interview with a politician and fine, incredibly important subjects that the interviewer didn't ask because of time like it? I had an interview with the president right now. I certainly would ask about the Russia Banner story, but I spent most of the rest of the time just talking about covered. It would mean I wouldn't talk about poverty, you income inequality, Hunger in America or or racism mean that doesn't mean that I don't care about those issues. So not really super fare of me to have done that, but, like I said, I get very emotional about the fact that I dont think We in the news, media and politicians in general talk enough about the fact that were still losing troops in these wars, one of which has been going on now for nineteen years and almost and I just at the fact that he was asking about mean tweets against him.

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no one emailed. it's just noise, and I should point out that were recording this. On Monday July, twenty seven than that happened on Sunday July. When is the next door when a comment on what it feels like to be attacked or criticised by the President and what it means that you can find out about it for three hours was strange, he's attacked me. A few times certainly doesn't go after me with the anger and vitriol that it goes after others, especially women. Or who are in the White House, corresponds Association to challenge them directly, You really seems to have a problem with them, but I mean it was it strange. I did a an interview with the testing Tsar, Admiral Brett, your wife, and I think it's fair to say, was a fairly tough interviewed, because I think it's them. It's the biggest mystery going on Why is the United States government with all its resources, not doing every single thing you can do to identify

It's like the virus, which would mean widespread surveillance testing all over the country Harvard says it needs to be about three and a half to five million tests a day, as opposed to the current number, which is significantly up it still only about seven hundred eight hundred thousand a day. So you know you do one of these tough interviews and then always some, whether its democratic Republican and interviewed some. The association or twitter fyodor? Whatever will try to frame it the best way they can? this case some. I never even heard of this twitter feed Tv News, H, Q, or something like that tat, some dishonest framing about Jawad, correcting my words. It was stupid and I didn't care, but then I just you know I was lying in bed at about ten thirty and just surfing twitter and I'm online all the time I mean I have my phone next to me all the time and emails all the time. So I'm not like disk- from the world. I should be more. I wish I could be more, but

I just couldn't believe, and I all of a sudden- I'm like. Oh my god, wait the president, it we did that kind of dishonest, framing tweet. An attack CNN shake news, blah blah blah whatever it was, and first want to be attacked it doesn't even matter just comes with the territorial and that whatever its did find they pass you now we get attacked by the president and by plenty of other people too, I just thought it was strange: the no one home literally not like I had no idea. No retweeted it to me. Nobody Texted me, nobody emailed me units is like during primetime Sunday night people are awake, people saw nobody cared. that's the thing I want to live in a world where the president of the United States attacks a journalist, people care, Oh, what does he sang easy behaving decently as the report, a wrong it? Whatever? Let's interest,

I know that you were going in that direction. I thought the port, What you're about to say was was maybe terrible to live in a world in which anyone irresponsible president who attacks people by name given the political, but he has that it's kind of a nice thing. After three and a half for years, people pay that not so much attention and it makes life more livable worn, I think both are true. My point is it like? Theoretically, I want to live in a world where the president says something that is critical of a journalist or anyone. Everybody cares because residences, the president, whoever it is he or she may be, but he now The only conclusion I can reach is that it's just noise. So that nobody even cares anymore. like if you and told me ten years ago, twenty years there's gonna be a point where we have a president who attacks you and nobody cares. Nobody,

don't even think, earnings written story about it on like, and you know the bar for some of them the organisations, racist or I mean people written stories about me on following somebody on Twitter, so so it doesn't have to be particularly import literally, they have so it doesn't have to be doing I haven't even seeing and if anybody that maybe that will change by the time I got off the phone with you today, but but I mean it's just it's so weird that his criticism is now so calm and here his anger and grievance is just. You know like the home of a radiator that you're just used to that doesn't even bother you anymore. You can sleep right through it. I just find it remarkable that mean I am obviously alarm primarily by the fact that the president is not, when everything he can according to health experts to identify and isolate the virus, and that's the most important about his tweet is that he is wrong

I guess testing is up, but it's not where it needs to be, and I did a whole twitter that for about their, but then my second Note was like man, I can't believe it. I mean I hear about it. If people were mad at me, the time o someone's, I won't do an interview with you because he's man about the lasting review and fairly well behaved. So I don't hear about things like this too often, but I mean him I personally, but I think this was just don't you think it's just bizarre The present would attack me and I wouldn't even hear about it for three hours I'm wondering this has something to do with other things that are going on with the fact that, to a greater degree, the present becoming irrelevant becoming an aside is he less capable of commanding attention our people tuning him out and it differently so before there's two sides to the current each of those things right. So, on the one hand, when the present attack, particular journalists like you or when the president make some sort of racist remark, or he says something

else? It sounds like we're slouching towards fascism. On the one hand, maybe it's a good thing that you sort of ignoring him and and people on government are not paying attention and knocked and carry out his orders in his wishes. On the other hand, are we just coming too used to it, which is itself a huge problem right you have a present saying these things forget about the insults towards particular journalists, but other things that are much more important, no disrespect The people are just sort of ignoring them right. You know you're you're right I mean, and that might be the other part of this, which is less money, I do not think it is important to present a drop attack at all. I think it is stupid and a trifle like that. You know that kind of thing. I don't think it's an important issues covered. Nineteen is an important issue. People I'm being killed in protests or what's going on in cities like Portland or Austrian or Chicago, without that those are important. Issues Maybe that is the reason why nobody cares about him, saying they use anymore or whatever me, maybe maybe just a few

that obviously I'm right about the fact that testing is that work needs to be and he's so obviously wrong that nobody even pays any attention to it, or maybe the fact that I remember a year or two ago listening to have a disagreement between two people. They were talking about whether President Tromp was the worst precedent in the history of the answer. And one of the poor I buy was listening. I was not participating in this conversation, but one of the arguments being made was no because His decisions, hadn't, really cost law. Lives in the way, the previous president's, whether you want to I mean the others any hotel, a whole host of presidents. You could talk about who's to say, the Orient actions or proclivity for war or whatever cost tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lives, but now you know his decision making has resulted in a body count. In terms of whether you want to give him credit for

after all, it would have been two million. The death toll would have been two million. There was projections, yes, that death, always if we had done absolutely nothing would have been two million, and now we have done what help I would say, is not enough and the death all right now at this moment, a hundred and forty five thousand, or something like that, so I mean maybe now the fact that, like that is an obvious direct line from present decision making and results that have caused people. Their lives, some decisions by the way, good one in terms of ventilators up to speed, although its unclear what the medical community thinks about ventilators right now when it comes to covet, but some good decisions and then some that's agreed decisions when it comes to wearing it

asking andor and the testing inadequacy. So maybe that formative giving microalgae is deserving of criticism having anybody can be deserving of criticism. I have people on a criticism, I'm not as protector. I think that he has done everything he could based on the scientific knowledge at the time to try to save lives while also maintaining his. I'm standing in the government and being able to push for things to be done, So I mean I see it that way, but you have sure some of the things he said which were things Everybody was saying at the beginning in terms of masks: don't really indifference or whatever words prove to be wrong but adding generally his peace. I don't have any cost. my mother? Is

for good and in trying to save lives, do disagree. Now I dont want what I find upsetting in case after case. Is that if somebody who is widely believed to be good intentions and acting in good faith in it. Partisan way in their field, and when they disagree with the present or make the present look bad in any particular way they get Swift voted, and I often put together these two, men who were not alike in many ways, except for the ways in which I described Robert Mahler and Anthony found, whose Rep Patients were sterling, as you could have in their relative fields in the country in the world, in fact, and then they, the crime of differing with the president a little bit and then criticism is one thing but character assassination and the attacks we ve seen on both of those men most recently, almost without profoundly that's very disturbing to me sensitive welded and is also a difference between criticism and smearing

right, I mean the the White House. Different officials in the White House. Brain from the Varro too skinny no to whoever put together about file of quotes fancies. Some were early based on now it scientific consensus to changed, some of which were completely out of context, but ultimately a sheet that was put together to try to discredit him. I mean that's just not, of course, people or not Above criticism, known by any having away, has apparatus trying tubes smear him there are only. I know these are often guy. I mean you know, and but this is where we are. I mean- dark in a place where you know, damn, is knows why, as deputy chief of staff posts, a cartoon from this, like french cartoonists Ben Garrison, on his facebook page attacking found. She was like a leakers, something only I didn't in falling understand it then,

the whole q, and on thing I mean, there's just I've, never seen every week to you, the words I the overture window earlier before we started taping, unlike the that just like how how much things change except will complicate conversation changes and the Overton window of just bad she's crazy piracy, furies just becoming mainstream. It has been remarkable in the last three or four years. Sinclair television has insane You're about IRAN where they basically was a theory that found she had helped create the corona violence and, ultimately, I think they postponed the airing of it only because there was so much bad press. I mean it's just learned so when you You have found to be criticised, sure you debate, on banks, but based on justice,

the smear somebody, because you don't think they make the President look good or deranged conspiracy theories from like freaks. Now I don't think that's criticism from freaks good use of the term that a single covered for a second Do you think this may seem like an odd thing to say, but it's obviously true that We won in America who, in the world, is thinking about covered all the time. People have lost loved ones, people or otherwise are unemployed or harmed both. Physically financially emotionally mentally, it is obvious, the story of our lifetimes. And yet I wonder if you think people still don't have a full grasp on how terrible it is in part, because, unlike some other tragedies like nine eleven were fewer people were killed. We don't have the visuals, you dont, have cameras in the hospitals and see people. You have the the metric on CNN, another stations

showing how many are dead, but at some point you every additional thousand deaths doesn't cause people too B, as disturbed as you might think, they should be because the things are happening. A bit. Tucked away is anything to that. Is that a silly observation No, it's it's an observation that I've I agree with an I've made which is look at me. This has to do with any of with a lot of things and we do with death. It has to do with me now. War are coverage of war. you know if we had people saw real images of war. More often I don't know what the result would be- that people have these images, shielded from them gun violence. If people had sought, pictures after sandy hook of those twenty. Kids and six teachers and administrators slaughtered.

Might the impact be anyone The attack me from a public policy and public opinion perspective, and it that's, not true that this story has been very challenging to tell because obviously for stand of all reasons. Hospital of privacy. Patients have privacy and we see what this means. So I can get a picture of a victim of kroner virus by you don't do. I still don't know what it looks like somebody has intimated right there on the stomach. There to shut down their throats there. When people, either there in a medically induced com I don't know what that looks like in its bid has been going on since February or March, so yeah Do you think I mean anything you're right. Like I mean, what's that old, I think

was like Stalin, or somebody said something like I'm gonna, completely bunches, but it's something like five deaths. the tragedy- a million deaths as a statistic, something like that I fear that the bigger the number gets, the less able we ardor comprehend, what that even means could remain about Some politicians are not just dealing with the crisis but how they're talking about their own performances, putting prophesied for a moment, you ve taken some issue with the governor of New York Andrew Cuomo sort of doing I dont know. If this is the phrase you use, what sort of taking a victory laptop, then you pointed out well in horse thirty, two thousand plus. Yorkers died more than any other area stay the country. Maybe it's a bit early for them. It's not even close. They look Banks are what they are. I'm really glad that New York has been able to flattened the curve.

And I'm really glad that they ve gotten their positivity right down and I'm really create that they were able to make improvements. and I know the governor bhamo- is popular in New York. And I also know that this is an incredible challenge. especially in a city like New York City that is so compressed, so many On top of each other, people travelling on the subway heats up, that said, there was a for our period where he was like. somebody designed a poster with all these little inside jokes about his daughters and the boy friend in this and that and he went on fallen and fell and ask him about his daily life, and this I need definite, could be heard. This You are well light among the Ladys. People know that you're single end to think you're. Good looking and there are some people calling themselves promise was they hurt?

obsessed with you wanna. Do you want to marry? You is that is changing the way you acted our word, your kids were robbing them your face, and what do we do now? I enjoy using its selectively friends and family and those people were saying good things it's only because they don't know me Jimmy free, they get can only they have a much different. Does that judge the I've found in a little and forget what I thought. A bunch of New York or friends of mine thought. It was really inappropriate, because New York has to this day the highest by far death rate of any stay in the country I mean it's gets growing Unfortunately, all over, but it still not even something floored in Arizona, California are still not even close.

And there have been studies and reports about what would have happened if applause you and Cuomo acted sooner, even just one week sooner. What what in our urban investigations by the new Yorker and then times. Famous conservative politicians like the new Yorker and the New York Times about how come onto bless, YO messed up a lot of stuff. questions about whether or not the order that nursing homes taken people, even if they have covered, whether that cost lives or not. And all I was saying- was look there's no This is not a good time. Victory, lap, I mean and yeah. I know it rub. A lot of people wrong, especially Democrats, specially New York Democrats It is a time for humility, and I don't know I just I don't think there's any for any anything jockey. About it. Like ha ha, usually here's this poster. I mean why I mean anyway.

in agreement with you- and I think you know, we had on a positive discussion in dream on how California was doing in a lot of praise going to govern Newsome. That is now. Out. So well, you had the governor floor, Rhonda Santas Basket he's gonna get his apology because he did things his own way and there was no like that was delayed a little bit, and so, as you humility in the face of not knowing what this is. Gonna look like not knowing what the second wave will look like if there is going to be one, people should just keep their fingers crossed and pray and do with respect to be doing and not crow about anything. At this moment, I quite agree with you. I mean: can you imagine if you had lost loved ones? work on your thinking to yourself like if they and then you pick up the times and there's a study saying danglars you and Cuomo, just not. How does one inviting that they are just shut everything down a week earlier. Seven. thousand lives would have been set Imagine if it's like one of those one of those Lives was somebody you loved and made

like a marginal like not you know somebody super or super unhealthy. Here you know somebody with a lot of what they call co morbidity, but maybe somebody who was just there's really unlucky in a forty year olds who was healthy or somebody who had like a seven year old too, I mean it would just crush me That's one of the things that I think I'm here to do my job. Is to speak for those people or speak family of the three Marines who were killed in two thousand nineteen and just be like with this- is we're supposed taken the stuff seriously and look. I make mistakes and screw up, and sometimes people don't like mean. Sometimes people like what I say but I do think this job is important and you know it we don't do anything with this platform. If it's just about me friends and even than words squandering, I think, can you couple questions about interview technique use at some, there I thought was interesting. Wants you said the tougher the question, the more calm. The delivery should be

a wise that and b is for a time when the delivery should not become yeah. I mean I mean that mainly in the situation where your challenging, especially at present but somebody in power who is not used to be challenged and also like in the White House Press when I was a white ass, corresponded because I that. One of the lessons learned in the early years of the of covering Obama was the louder. I was the more distracting was to the substance of what I was trying to ask about. and the more I was crosses, though I was I was ass as opposed to an earnest journalist, trying to ask a question to legitimately find out an answer, which is how feel, even if sometimes I came across the other way, and so sometimes like, for instance, if you watch the last time I gotta be president Tromp, which is two thousand sixteen, and perhaps the last I'm all aggregate interview him

is when I asked for by judge jury all and basically said if your challenging judge curious because of his race is that that the definition of racism that was delivered pretty much. It took me a long way to get there because it kept interrupting and trying to steamrollered by ass, it again and again and again, which actually, I think is a pretty good technique, but I haven't had a guide to keep on back, but my tone as I'll call was fairly com because the accusation. I wouldn't because what I was building up to is like aren't, you mean racist? Isn't it what racism is which, of course it is, but you are invoking his raise one. Talking about whether or not it can do is Jacek I'm building war, building a wall, I'm trying to keep business out of Mexico Mexico's like Does nothing for he's a man. Macedonia is a mexican heritage and he's very out of it. As I am where I come from an urgent. You keep talking about Jake, it's a conflict of interests of Mexicans and even the

public and speaker of the house? Paul Ryan at the time, said that it's a dictionary definition of racism is, but any I thought but I was asking calmly and not like yelling at him, which, by the way would be understandable somebody was upset about the president or the that then republican presidential nominee being race as perfectly understandable way but it would be a motion on asked the question my way but I thought it was more effective just to say it quietly, because then it's about the words and it's about the tone and sub. Now it's about the substance and not the town, that's only what I mean sometimes, have to interrupt, especially for the satellite interview, especially somebody's. You know, gas lighting, of changing the subject of this man and that's different, but I think very powerful people. And very incendiary subjects. The less focused that is interview were in and more on the question. The better is theirs kind of guessed that you have on

realize you're, never gonna have em on that thing. You're never gonna have them on again, because if they're not good or because they're not truthful or so yeah I mean I, don't I'm not going to give you a list, because you can always change your mind and who knows why? But yeah I, for people it is bad interview. Second, all you know that I see people out there who are just lie. I mean public officials who are just lying, just blatantly lie many things that parents are I heard about schools opening for any reason other than health reasons, limiting the things of that that you know that the people are due scheming to keep close schools closed because they want to hurt President Prodi, as opposed to. We are worried about kids lives and were worried about the fact that if you look at it, for instance, Israel they re open schools. The virus spread all over again drives me nuts, and there are smart people out there. Left

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this is a much more important for a book. It's it's the journalistic accomplishment of which I am proud us, but it was exhausting emotionally and psychological, exhausting to right. There's other member of your family, the camera the book want us about that, while my daughter Alice, whose now twelve, but when she was something like nine or ten, she noticed that something was in her school girls in her class were girls wars, not raising their hand as much in boys were hurt, raising their hand. Much more and boys didn't feel like many voices boys their hand if they had no idea what the answer was were girls. She talked about with a girl scout troop and they felt like they had to be one hundred percent before really make sure that they knew the answer before they raised a hand. As you talk to me, with my wife, aren't you talked about it girl scout troop and she then talked about it with the head of the local girl scout and they came up with a patch collar, raise your hand patch, in which girls commensurate Mohammed class more and gets reference to do so through other girls and

so proud of her when the pants came out. I tweeted about it and bury why then at the New York Times about page, saw that and asked if animals would work with her on another bad about before liberals raising their hands ass. She did and an penguin books sought out and asked avows work with them on writing a book says she did that too, and so she s book I'll, raise your hand and it came out and because it came out last night in early two thousand nineteen and yeah. It's it's fun and were really proud of her. I show you guys go intuitive

that has to be done and was overwhelming. We went on our yeah. We went on airline. That was fun, and so you just noticed that girls weren't raising their hand in class and said that there is something wrong with that yeah. I notice that why wasn't pain as confident myself and I notice that one day when I, what kind of knew the answer to a question that teacher asked me that all the boys are raising their hands and and all the girls were kind of like just sitting like quietly and use that I gotta do something in your eleven right. Yes, I've learned about it with with mom. We went on ass, she did the two days ago. I was not born. I was not invited to that one, and then we did scene and with a Alison and John Berman New Day and are with the course thinking today? Was she then operating in politics and browse the internet bookstore here in DC

when she was on her book Doktor March two thousand eighteen, and walk into the children section in this all these little girls, all these the seven year old girls, Oh excited to see the hours who at the time was ten about to turn eleven or eleven about turn twelve rather an end. It was this I'll call because she inspiring these emissions little girl in my mind and inspiring all these little girls, and so that was there was one of the best was maybe the best moment of today's nineteen. For me I mean it was just so crazy how's. Your house. Has your brother handling all this out, he's fine. It is on that, but you said in a particular way. Now he's fine. Well, I mean we worry like what's it going to be like that, he was east, is he's just his own kid jack, my my my tenure of he's just

Don't you know he wants to be a policeman and he's into video games and he's got his brows and he's proud of his sister, and there isn't really there sibling rivalry, but there isn't jealousy. I mean they annoy each other in fighting all that stupid stuff, that you do with your brother sister, but their bill pretty supporter of each other, so it's cool Take ever thanks again for being in the show, was real with real delight. I was somewhat fine thanks, breathe My conversations with Jake Taffir continues for members of the cafe insider community insiders get. on a state to and content the exclusive weekly podcast takeovers will end Milgram the United Security package oh hosted by LISA Monaco and can wasting recordings of women by Elly honing and me, and more to get a two week trial for free had the cabin

come slash insider, that's cafe! Dot com, slash insider so much the show by telling about family project that I have been working on. So here we are at the end of July. The summer is still sweltering, but we're- I too had into an election season because we ve been elections even for a little while parties are gonna, have their conventions, and then I think, for the first time it is really true what get set in every election cycle that this is the most important section of our lifetime. To new firm me talk a lot about what I think should happen is no secret, but the election is not only important at the presidential level is also important at regional level, in the house and in the Senate and in the various states, and is something that I think everyone should be focusing on

caring about and should be registering to vote. Whatever your point of view is, and so the combination of being in the pandemic and being on home confinement and my two boys fifty in seventeen not having kept to go to and are having a lot of other stuff to occupy them. we say we engage in a sort of family political enterprise, he's the boys I mentioned before my two sons, who do extemporaneous speaking in competition and high schools, who pay a lot of attention to the news because of their parents and a very versed in public affairs and politics in international relations as well. So we came up with this project. They have been spending some time focusing on thirty one battleground house races around the country. They believe, as I do, and maybe even daganu them, sorry, that the house should remain in democratic hands so that various things can be accomplished.

in the next administration, and so they focus on thirty. One battleground house raises to bring to my attention- and I tell him if they do, that, that every day in August beginning the Saturday August first, I will highlight one of those races and highlight one of the candidates in those raises based on their recommendations, which they ve very carefully, I believe. Every day I will make a five hundred dollar donation to the candidate that they have suggested. I will tweeted I've done that and I'll suggests other people to donate what they can, or at least follow the candidate, learn more about the candidate and do whatever they think is right and at the same time we're gonna be focusing on other ways. We can promote voter registration, voter participation, mail in voting and then maybe in September. Will folks will be more on the Senate.

and the presidential race, but for now, if you dont, like the recommendation made by my boys, blame them not me somebody who know that I have a nineteen year old daughter, maybe one in your wife- is she not involved with project? That's because she is very industrious and is simultaneously doing to internships, including working directly on a political campaign, so she's busy and by the way, if you listening to this evening, is a particular candidate that my boy should be focusing on and should be promoted treated at me. I promise I'll share the tweets when my sons, Well, that's it for this episode of stay tuned thanks again, my guest Jake Tapir if you like what we do break the show an apple pie, casts or wherever you listen. Every positive review new listeners find the show send me your car, about news politics, injustice, tweet them to me a prick Moreover, the hashtag aspirin

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