In this excerpt from the CAFE Insider podcast, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance discuss former President Donald Trump’s motions to dismiss the criminal charges brought by special counsel Jack Smith in the election interference case.

In the full episode, Preet and Joyce discuss:

– The ABC News report that, months ago, Smith granted former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows immunity, which cleared the way for Meadows to testify before a D.C. grand jury;

– Trump’s $10,000 fine for violating a gag order in the New York civil fraud case for a second time; and

– Michael Cohen’s testimony at Trump’s civil fraud trial in NY.

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