Today is a day of reckoning. I would say that the victims of Jeffrey Epstein However, that is which are absolutely respect of what he had done to account with numbers of young men who were girls. Betty was aided and abetted by land maxwell, allegedly that she was the person who would say The girls around them up get them sent here, get them ready for joy free obscene in new york in new mexico in florida, so Maxwell has been arrested. That also means that there are other pete, we may also be in jeopardy, who associated with an assistant the exports of Jeffrey everything

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of nineteen, ninety four eighteen. Ninety seven you will recall indictment against Jeffrey ants, Epstein that we find in July twenty nineteen charge Epstein with sexual. Abuse of young girls from There was an end to the two thousand and five as a leg. Starting in eighteen. Ninety four until at least hundred ninety seven maxwell at a personal and fresh relationship. Jeffrey. a low and welcome to real crime profile. The system committee retired at the profile of former new york city prosecutor, rather producer CBS criminal and with me today, is no, she's criminal behaviour analysed form a new scotland yard and executive producer of jennifer. Forty two,

and I'm this is embedded in the casting directive for CBS, is from our minds and we are jumping on for a breaking news episode of our podcast khazars big news this morning ray we're going to do facebook love to answer the questions everybody who's out. There are wondering what is going on a very fast facebook law if so a very excited by this and I've gotta to say. I'm really amazed by the big news, came in today, almost one year to the Epstein was arrested. Amazing, amazing, okay, we Our lie like everybody. Hi everyone. You know obviously were happy to be here but were very, very concerned and very actually gratified that the this system seems to be moving in the right direction on this case. Finally, but it definitely took some major detours over the last fifteen years,

So we are talking about today's surprise, apprehension, arrest of delay, maxwell who was You know that the wing woman to Jeffrey Epstein and involved in helping him procure his victims. Would you say without her health, but he wouldn't have nearly had the access the girls that he victimized firstly, I think it's probably useful for listening to known people watching this. This is over, The year to the date, Jeffrey Epstein was arrested so tat. Thing is very interesting here. I'm sure Jim was say something about that, but it's almost a year to the dieting, Jeffrey Epstein was July five. So apparently, She has been tracks for some time. A major major development. In fact, simply services interrupted my training to tell we, the news They were so pleased

say that this had happened and my reaction to your question. The answer is that, yes, I deeply she played a key role and in if the decision indictment just to give some context her, because there are six counts: has been charged with and those six counts. Four of them relate to three victims and with each counts. There is a very clear outline, the glass Maxwell sheep a key role in normalizing the sexual abuse maybe she recruited the girls she encouraged. The guy to travel to Epstein homes. She knew The girls were under rage. That's what it says in the indictment and groomed and frightened the victims, not the last, he counts, relate to perjury and I can go through each of the accounts for the too lax account. Count five and six relate to perjury, which relate

a deposition in two thousand and sixteen renee, It's been outlined about what those clear points where the split that she lied under rose, but yet the general the jam, fail. If the indictments is very much about the fact that she procured she recruited she facilitated and that without, her, he probably wouldn't have had access in the girls, probably wouldn't have felt reassured. She was but if the middle person putting them at ease and taking this step and faced preached grooming. What are your thoughts, tin, yeah? I agree completely laura. There are some really important things, and you mentioned the deposition that she gave I remember seeing that deposition and seeing her behaviour her her clear evasive answers to questions and not being challenged, and that's what really got to me. She was not chow,

and when she very carefully surgically avoided, answering the questions and now she's being charged with perjury for those and I'm very happy. see that. But there are a lot of things about this indictment that are interesting, to say the least, the first being that I I I don't I dont see usually there's a it's a sealed. I mean- I don't know when it happened, and that's I'd like to know why They actually got this indictment and and and sealed it, but obviously it's not see any more because it is what then other thing that I see is on page too is actually a picture of Epstein and glare. and I have never seen that before in an indictment and then you go down and there are actually pictures of his various. The men in new york, the estate in mexico, the the residents

london, england, you know it's it's it's unusual to see something like that, and I just hope that it's not. This is not an indication of this case not being taken exactly as seriously as as as it should be. because it is a major sex trafficking and sexual intimidation case but because there are quote celebrities involve, it seems that things are being done slightly differently, and that bothers me, because I hope that this does not fall apart. I know the southern district in new york, the your stories office. There is legendary for being independent and being

thorough. I work side by side with them for many years when I was in the fbi, and I have every belief that they are going to take this case to its ultimate conclusion, which I believe is probably going to keep spreading in spreading and spreading. I do believe this. Just to be a quick question, guys, like you, gonna jump in our system, outline what the charges work is not. Everybody may have seen this indictment yet, and I think it's important that we just give the context of each counts its charge. They will It too they were pics of crimes that were believed to have been committed between one thousand nine hundred and ninety four and ninety seven. So it's a very specific time window count, one conspiracy to entice a mine. To travel gauge and illegal sex acts to raise enticement the minor to travel, to engage in illegal sex acts so account

was enticement. Did I say enticement of a minor travellers who engage in illegal sex acts? It's been a long day, countries conspiracy to transport minors with tend to engage in criminal sexual activity and care forests, transportation of a minor with tend to engage in criminal sexual activity. Count. Five is perjury relate to the deposition in two thousand and sixteen and count six is related to pay ray as well? three victims, the ant named in the indictment. We can probably work out who they are because we of course oleson. As we know we ve covered this case extensively, but they are charges- and I thought it was unusual as well Jim, to see those pictures in there. Have you ever seen that before? In a case where those pictures within no, I haven't its history, its very bizarre thing and not that there is anything

necessarily wrong with it, but it's just I don't know it's on jewel, and it really struck me because usually beast arguments are. Incredibly, you no detailed legal document and the photographs dont think are relevant. I mean why is a picture of his london residents relevant. I mean it's massive, an impressive. Why's that relevant to the indictment of glory maxwell. I don't know I guess they were trying to give some context on and I think can count. Five and six are very specific about the perjury because, as you said in depth in the deposition she obvious skated and used very evasive language, but they ve been very specific and you know that the charge ready relates to that she tried to mislead and to cover up her criminal deeds

go. She must have known about it. She must have known that she had done something wrong and it it- sidney left some of the comments from her deposition, where she said that she had no idea that there are under age, girls and She wasn't aware that any one was on the seventeen. She said that and that relates to count five and count six she said she wasn't aware that Epstein had been having sex with anyone other than her. And then she said she had never given messages to anybody else, including Epstein will look. the allegations from the the girls were minors it at the time state very differently. She did give them sergeant. She did undress in front of them. She touched them too, and she effect be coerced them normalized it to have sexual. Relations with Epstein

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wonder because of the immunity that Epstein got in florida. It said that it's the that his Legit accomplices would be no legal precedent, that that's absolutely asinine. There is no way that any: u s attorney could, possibly give immunity to people that are actually involved in that again. in other words they have no standing tadpole back. There is there in the law, there's this concept of standing in order for you to actually go into court and file a a petition with the court or any kind of judgment with court. You have to have the legal to be there and because what in it in an immunity agreement, it is always done where someone comes in and has given an immunity to

all they know, and they have to say everything they know, and they have to be honest if they lie about one thing: that immunity agreement is thrown out so already that agreement with Epstein is thrown out because he lied and he not give any information, but I don't even know if they asked him those questions. That's why I'm saying this case is so fought with just things: I've never seen before in my entire career. That's why I believe it had to have some to do with a much higher authority, and I believe that had to do with national security, and I think that Epstein manipulated his way into a position where he utilised, some kind of national security override for the criminal charges that he was. He was actually guilty of I dont know how this is going to affect the gleam maxwell situation. I dont know how it's going effect affect that. I think it could possibly also have ramifications there

but will see, but this is going to be really interesting when she is put to a position where she will either go to jail for a very long time where she, too will have to come forward. Tell the truth about everything she knows and there might be princes and president's disclosure some kind of deal when I would imagine, there's a lot of faith that a feeling a little bit nervous at this point. There may be you did a sweating? profusely or maybe someday, I may return. I dont know what they're wearing their travel clothes or not, but I think they should be cause. There might be some travelling coming up me, I'm sure some folks, cooling, their lawyers right now and be feeling very uneasy and as they should be, so I guess you know Will it be a deal on it? You know she's a woman, a privilege, isn't she? I can't imagine the sheep want to spend any time in prison at all. But I did

no about her mental fortitude and whether she would, when I try and stick it out and tat it out or whether she would very quickly trying ok other people to get herself out of that situation. Yeah. I know it's that's a big question and is something that could have incredibly far reaching ramifications because I believe, that one of the grooming aspects- and let me just take a little side- lied to say I'm so happy to see in this indictment, groom being an explanation of it and a description of the grooming use because, as you know, I mean ten years ago. You didn't see that right years ago, you wouldn't have said in grooming mentioned at all, and- and

It was one of the issues in the in the penn state scandal, because jerry Sandusky was definitely a rumour, but the report put together by the people that quote investigator integrated him. You said the word grooming one time, unlike page a hundred twenty seven and then swept away, but totally disregarded the fact that these victims were groomed and that this offender was very sophisticated in his methodologies as we can see to the end degree, this is thousands of times more sophisticated having a woman the victims for you access these victims. It lowers the inhibitions and the beers and the hesitancy on the part of these under age. Girls, not underage win, underage girls. I hate when they do that.

when they call them boys under age, men and girls under age, women know their girls and boys, and we should call other than that. But here we have a situation where the grooming is so sophisticated and so subtle from like when we covered case before we talked about how Epstein has pictures on his walls and stairway of new girls to lie the innovations to normalize that kind of behavior. That's where the grooming starts. The group may also starts with coming to this incredibly sophisticated and and wealthy location right. So these girls obviously arm, rushed right from the start from that, and they want to be part of this, and they are told that this can help them in their careers in their lives. So all this

just an overwhelming amount of grooming, and what does that do it takes away their ability to one understand? What's going on to understand their about to be sexually victimized and three complain about? It actually think that there are actually being victimized as at by criminals, because These people there had their pictures with heads of state with the pope with all these amazing people. How could they be bad and even if they are bad, how can I a young girl, actually go up against somebody who was so powerful so well connected. Now, I think, that's a great summation Jim. I was really pleased to see the grooming too What about an unpicked very clearly, If I say just what what they said, I also want to decide into the mix with her putting in a bridge if a woman whose, while spoken, I'm bread.

is also a direct contacts. Americans circular, do trust british accents and people generally are not some, I've always in a people avoid commented on with me. You just sound, smarter, more intelligent, british oxen right, I'm not saying I am by the way what is that are easily? I sat and trustworthy and I so like my friend was stunned, allowed some if the british persons giving you're their attention theirs thing I don't get special about it and unusual about it. You are slightly She was very effective because if those things in it what it says in the entire it is a ninety. Ninety, four grim the minor establishing report would normalize the abuse. By discussing sex By undressing in front of the young girls and being present for sex tax with Epstein, so as Jim says, it literally breaks it down and that she put the victims the ease and that she

persuaded minors to take money from Epstein, so that was kind of like the pay of she was the one going in and saying. Oh, you should take this. We should go in travel with him to mexico will travel with him to london and facilitated access, Epstein act, ass to minors, and it clearly lays a town in the pitches Jim's talking about this one picture of delaying and Epstein with their arms round each other and that's been in the national media law. But then there's detail, pictures of residents that he had from mexico, new york maxwell residents in london palm beach florida, honest Jim, says: he's a very impressive houses and when I stood outside the manhattan house, I was in orbit the huge door, and I did little video just saying to people. If you are a young, your fourteen fifteen sit, still standing outside these huge doors. You see such

helen, some wealth. That in itself is a form of greening, because these are all vulnerable young girls. One re invulnerable in the sense that some of them came from domestic violence homes, some of them. You know what clear where their role was in life and that's what delaying, in my view, exploited. She needle din to their weaknesses, kill. Instead of gave this very clear picture, I think they choose nurturing and she was looking out for them and their interests where all along she was trying to normalize things, encourage these girls to go with Epstein to be trafficked and to be a bit used by multiple men, because in their it talks about others, known and unknown. Of course, we all want

getting who the others known and unknown are daily yeah. That's the thing, and I hope that going does actually just tell the truth. I mean clearly she's in a lot of trouble right now, there's no question about it and she is a privileged, very wealthy heiress who has travelled the worlds in I mean in the highest lifestyle imaginable and when she threw parties, heads of state showed up and those heads of state, some of them were not heads of state at the time and are currently

and some of them were heads of state at the time and are not currently. But the fact is that these people were among the most powerful on the planet and- and some still are so it's going to be interesting to see the breadth and scope of what she tells. She certainly in a position to tell, but will she I know, surely know someone who knows her very well and- and I wish that person would come forward and start talking because I'm sure just without that knows would actually help tremendously in terms of blocking down where somebody was at a particular time who was there and so forth, but the people that we're at these parties and avoid they're, probably all hiding, because they don't want to be connected to this. Now there was the plane which some,

called the low leader expressed. This is a private jet that Epstein owned and lolita would be a reference to a film that basically depicted sexual victimization of a minor girl and it it basically. normalize the behaviour and made it seem great. Just like the movie region, They call me by your name, which again is was despicable, because a groom it scares me normalized behaviour between an adult, male and a team nature. This is now normal behaviour. This is a crime and weather. the crime at the location where they were it doesn't matter, because the fact is, if you travel from a place like united states to have sex with a minor in another country, it is a crime,

The united states of america, and so that movie, though it won the academy ward, was actually disgusting and I'm. I wish everybody would speak up and call it out. What it was, I care what the quality of the movie is. It depicted a sex crime and tried to make it seem like it was. Ok, just like gleaned maxwell did in this case, do. We have some questions. Lisa was mighty, so what you were saying about so what How would you feel if she got immunity by them had access to all the big issue or other offenders semi or should you just you know I gotta prison in and have no deal? You know what I mean that's from there. I can talk to me from the perspective of the united states justice system. This is something basically an evil that we have to engage in all the time. In fact, most major cases are actually

together by getting someone on the inside to disclose and what we typically, due in the fbi, is we try get someone on the lower level to disclose against the upper level individuals involved, and in this case obviously Epstein is dead. So we can't go against him. She can't rat him out or she could and she might just say it was all I've seen and nobody else was involved. Who knows but either way. I do think that we have to mind her for information. I do believe that we would be really supporting justice for all these victims. If we don't mind her for information, yes, she should be punished. She should have to plead guilty to a crime she should have to ask.

Tat are all china out and if she lies about one thing, the immunity agreement goes and she should be actually prosecutor to the full extent of law and sentence to the full extent, love law. But if she does cooperate and she does help by testify against other people who were involved, other offenders who were involved, then I believe that, just like anybody else in the justice system, anybody who does that typically will get a break and they will get a list of sites. Then I wouldn't want to be scared. Escaped gated, I wouldn't want it to be we ve got delay Maxwell, that's the end of it. I don't think that's good enough for the victims and I I think they would be happy, and I think that question is much more about them actually lisa or whoever asked the question, because I the day would want to see the other offenders also brought to you this. I certainly do you know, there's a set sweaty or on sweaty prince

andrew that I mean it's interesting, that the aid that the attorney you s attorney said, he words are quite welcome him coming to talk to us I mean I've never heard that, but for for anyhow, sex offender, where we welcome them to come to talks was so, but I would really like to see some of these other people questions I made to fill the heat made to show the fear these young girls fowls loser. I do hope that happens. I think there are questioner was just trying to ask you. What is the better gets her or the bigger fit? You know What is better for justice in only over those justice is a funny thing is that it is people we say we want to success. Look like! Is it a conviction when it's not always for victims, and that's why ways to refer back to what the victims, one because that's far more important is about them and last time they were kept out. The loop went, nay,

I would hate to see another travesty of justice where they are not kept in the loop and I would like to see in other fields said the long delay maxwell, but also on the others, and I would like to see the victims at the centre of the rhine, narratives and being kept fully up to date. I would like to see them financially compensated to blame, so it's gonna, motive wealth from her father and I think that wealth needs to be parted with input in the right places. Riots hidden it's in substance? What did he do with his estate? He put it in such a way that the victims couldn't have access to it. You're an interest to me: This is why there are so many lawyer, jokes practice.

It's disgusting behaviour on the part of the lawyers to have done that actually created trust, while Epstein was in prison to avoid the victims being able to get access to his money. The fact is, they knew exactly what they are doing. They knew exactly what was gonna happen and they just they did it anyway, and to me that's despicable, I mean those are the kinds of things that you should walk away from a job like that, instead of actually helping somebody, you know who is clearly just as you know, a tremendously bad human being, who is a prolific sex offender and sex trafficker of girls to do something like that to help.

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mr question about, if I had to guess before today, where she was hiding out- I wouldn't gin, saint cry for some some you know far flung place, not new hampshire. It just seems such an odd play spit Do you have any thoughts about that or how long they would have to serve ale her before they take? You know and got her well, I mean we no idea what her travel was. I mean she may have been locked in there and there was information that she might have been and it wasn't until they actually were able to see her. Maybe they put up a drone, maybe they had they sent in package's. You know so delivery person could see if she was there.

just because you have information that has to be reliable in order to get a search warrant. You'd have to get a search warrant to be able to execute an arrest warrant. Here you know, you'd have to have probably cause that she was actually at that location. It probably took them some time to do that, because if it was like one of these states right laurel, better pictured here, there there's plenty of place for her to hide, I mean and very little opportunity for the outside to actually somebody on the outside. Actually look in so I dont believe that that that's that it was an easy thing to do to actually prove that she was there and actually get access to it, they may have had to wait till they I have even been involved in a ruse to get her to go in other words they may have set sent some kind of him nation they may have set up a doctors,

I don't know what they might have done to get her to get into a car and leave the place, and then they could do car stop and arrest her. So I'm just speculating here, but I believe it. It must have been a dive, the task to actually woollen locator and then to prove that using a location with enough problem caused that they could actually execute. I think they were tracking her for some time. Not that's what they're saying anyway, that she was tracked for some time I don't believe that that was her having the berger in and out burger enact. A foreign yeah, but you know She may have an anchor point. There are people still tend to go to places where they the anchor points, and she may have. That she was under the radar and had done everything right, particularly she spake about her father, being you know, with the intelligent, seen cetera. That's an when its thirty tenacious, isn't it Jim. You know things make a call, but it doesnt mean to say that things start

behind the say. I'm saying that way that right boy out, but with the thing that sky, me was- and I know we talked about this extensively- we're covering this case was that law enforcement did step away, that the fbi provided the. U s attorney's office, florida with a massive amount of information. Was it sixty victims, six, and then the? U S, attorneys wrote a fifty plus paid prosecutor of some and then they stepped back and they looked actively or a minor offence that he could plead guilty to. So they could get rid of this case. That scared me, because that is absolutely not no unusual but anna, an apparent violation of justice, and there must be something behind that, because these are actually career.

you know, prosecutors that are involved that there's something that went on and that's why. The only thing I can even imagine is something to do with national purity, I'm whenever you have heads of state involved and national security involved, while start being very wonky People are able to whittle their way out of really really horrendous crimes. I just hope that doesn't happen here There's someone still taken the decision to go off to her so could have just disappeared. Couldn't I mean filthy rich came out, we haven't talked about the netflix. Show were actually that when you allegations in their free with the grounds men from the sea Jeff silence he said seen what he now knows to be virginia jus, fray top lesson. Certain prince in the swimming pool

when, when that particular show air there was a bit of a buzz around it, but not a huge amount, but they weren't you allegations in that it wasn't you yeah information in there, but I don't know whether that was the catalyst or whether there were things actually going on behind the scenes. But some We made a decision to go off to her whatever reason does she prison the same risk. The same threat is Epstein question mark You know where she had lower hanging fruit, and I don't know the answer to that, because I also believe that was certainly some form of. Intelligence aspect to what happened to Epstein and thin Disappearing charges being disappeared, victims not being kept in there were cited here, yonder sharing, and You can't help but go in terms of conspiracy, but here you have got her. You know a year later being arrested, so

I do worry, as you said, Jim, with the pictures being in the indictment it being made. A bit of a circus united it'll be window dressing, but right the charges are very serious in their own, nay right and when the? U s attorney in new Hampshire, did the press opportune. Obviously this is a very big press event, but she actually stepped off the podium to go over and point her finger at the picture of glean and Geoffrey Epstein and held that for like two solid minute While she turned to make sure that all the cameras, gotta good angle on her face and her smile and then she walked back to the podium. That is disturbing. It I'm sure they asked her to do it. But why would she do that? it takes away from the severity, and I don't know the the importance of this event to make it make it a press opportunity

a man is wondering if gawayne would be a candidate for the witness protection programme, your glenn be a candidate for that. If she did cooperate fully and then testified Every case sure she would be a candidate for that, but I can also guarantee that it would never happen because, in order to do to enter the witness protection program, you have to give up your entire life. You have to sever all your ties. You have to never communicate with any family member or any friends that you have now, so you literally have to be completely anonymous from that point forward. I don't see her doing anything like that, but I also don't see that happening until she actually serve some time. In a case like this, she should plead guilty to sex trafficking or sexual victimization of children charges she

I get if she does fully cooperate a lighter sentence, but she should have to serve some time to be thinks she's going to get bail, I mean I would hope she doesn't get. The hard thing. Is it's taken so long to find her and that she's reminded, but strange things happen at strange times, but that's a question that someone asked me and I hate the she's appearing in court. I think he's gonna, be by by video link, isn't set under the right. Things now start to happen. Lord. You think that the uk is pursuing her at all, since some of these crimes happened in Epstein. You know, uk estate I mean initially I had that the met was and then they want- and I think Virginia to fry me, she's been very vocal on twitter and it's taken such toll on her in it she has been early at various times, but she would like to see the metropolitan placed fully and

the, but I believe that they said it wasn't really that jurisdiction seeing is involved, americans and so on, and obviously there is the family so she never. She was never bob with Epstein over in london. They never did anything there. They never had. Any parties are invited girls over from massages at all in the uk, I just find that hard believe. We know that not be the case, but certainly the appetite for it seemed to evaporate very quickly. I can't tell you the ins and outs of that, but I would hope that would be renewed interest. That's what I thought. That's what my hope would be So we definitely recommend people if you haven't seen the netflix documentary filthy, rich, that you do check it out because it features so many of the victims- it's just really is just at its heart. breaking what they ve been through? You know how their lives turned out. From that point of view, Marquis nation have been victim

by then so sorts You can also go back and listen to our coverage of em, but was the cast Andre called again. A vigorous mister, gibson s, guess the mysterious Mr Epstein on wonderingly and we covered that had cast our episodes are too oh five shoe about two twenty juice. A week we had a lot to say about that that we did is to say, the netflix show they actually started filming it before Epstein was arrested. So it is interesting because you kind of care the before the middle and all and it is particularly well done. I would like us to break it down properly at some point, particularly in light of the arrest, probably for tonight, because or today we will- I certainly had a very long day, teaching all day. I think we should cover it because there are new allegations in there, so I think, that's probably quite important, but all before we I do want to give a big shoutout to Jane carson sandler, who,

we interviewed when we're crime conjure member german, lisa sure about some right by Joseph Angelo and of course he was he wasn't. Cool. He was in a ballroom facility because I was so many people they had to house on Monday, where he pledged guilty to. I think it was about sixty charges and they read every charge Jane carson sandler was their wearing the shirt to remember she wore the shot. Her friend meta Nixon survive a thrive on. It lie screen shot this picture of her up staring him down, stood right in front of him metres from him. With her shirt home with her arms like this and you nation. Basically wants to make it clear that he had a small peanuts and they read out the fact that he had a small penis and because we too, my Epstein again, I'm sorry. That's where my mind goes of small peanut syndrome we get em.

Syndrome you enjoyed Angela appeared in a wheelchair too, but Jane what a hero of mine. She really is. Oh, yes, she's amazing shiva. Had a handbag remember she had a handbag with that same thing on it, she's just a warrior in such a courageous women into all the survivors, I'm sure germany severe, join and just saying you know we wish you all the best I was thing about them all. On Monday I have but one day for them. To finally have that did, I must have been very emotional a very emotional but jane austen signed the ready it takes them. Courage doesn't set to do something like that to step down the person and confront in that I've got the opportunity to. I mean what an amazing turn of events. It's really good before we go? I just about now, given this judge the circumstances with Epstein death, what kind survey. I mean what kind of twenty four hour guard

is Glen going to have. I mean some people are some of our listeners are commonly that you know she. She should be for her life because of what she knows. So how do they? How are they gonna handle that kind of security for her? Well, the federal detaining centres are, you know their prisons and they certainly could put a guard right. Outsiders. Twenty four hours a day seven days a week, and they probably should because There is probably a high risk. Especially when you have somebody who is has lived such a high life for her higher life, but there is a a likelihood that she would not want to spend the rest of life in jail, so no. I mean I hope they do that if they don't and she commit suicide, they find her dead mysteriously. It will be

You know whoever is in charge with, that should be the one thrown in jail, because this is this case needs to be we need to stop. Having these, you know opportunities to exit themselves from from any kind of justice. This is a very You know entitled group of people that are involved in these crimes and I'm so glad. Finally, for the victims, It looks like we have another opportunity to get somebody to take responsibility I think that an important point they are entitled bunch use the privilege. Used to talking my way out of situations and buying their ways out of situations, but remember with y know: half be wines they made him secure facility fast- they didn't taken to rikers. They put him in a hospital but when he was on the watch because they didn't want the half that same situation happen, and I would imagine they would pay the same attention to her

I would hope so anyway, I may not would be in school. Angeles. Wouldn't it be unforgivable if something, and the second time round, but not. I would imagine that trying guard against that, let me know if they don't either completely ignorant or complicit. Now, not nothing in between that right. Where other questions, I think, they're everything have fun covered it, so the majority- and this has been really fun. Everyone. Thank you for jumping onto this group me now is the first. we ve ever done a facebook. Broadcasting will also be dropping. This has a pot cast in our regular feed, but I want to thank everybody. Further and a lot of love to you and laura thanking you and renewed through referred to showing you love to my love. Where are you? Love is not love, but it's nice to have this immediate. You know interaction with relevant, so wonderful so

You now we'll see what happens, will jump on again. If anything else breaks, For now you want to do it. You guys want to take us out yeah well as we live, can I just ask our listeners if you're in the uk please I too your mp. If you have an trust in having cereal perpetrators proactively idea to fight, assessed and managed. I've got new clothes forty nine being back in house of commons on monday with the domestic abuse bill and we need more support for it and every door enforced professional you want, I taught you knows that this makes sense, that we do practically track identify sesar, manage cereal d? the violence offenders in stalkers cause we're not doing that currently in the uk, and will only get this this time round. This is a pioneering bill if we don't get at this time, it may nor ever happen, and it's a huge gaping chasm right now in our system,

a most police officers, one in particular just said to me: it's a row, black hole, laura. We don't do anything around perpetrators right now. Now your choice, its right to your mp, often to support new course. Forty nine you can use a tent, wait left better off my website. Politics have to get involved. We have to have our voices heard. Otherwise we do get changed to protect victims, and that's everything. We're talking our own right. I'm profile re, absolutely so, right to Europe. he's and call them and treat them and go on instagram. And get everybody. Everybody around the world should be doing that as well as writing to them about glean maxwell about investigating ray Epstein and all the connections in the uk that he had and all the crimes that that he allegedly committed while he was there and gleam very well have helped them commit those crimes. So we want to get to the bottom of this. For victims and the only way to do that is to force the hand of of the politicians

in the uk and hopefully the royal It is not able to block a comprehensive investigation into his crime yeah, that's a whole other way: catalyst of ash swearing, fresh money. Right boy- I mean you know if they committed crimes they should they should be investigated, and charged and prosecuted period only. They are. That's right, how it should work. But yes, please be active. Have your voice together unity, it really does make a difference say very exciting to be on on facebook life. I've got to go to sleep for a few years. I've gotta come off the beach the beach party, but I am very pleased that she has been arrested, german lisa, very, very big news today. aguilar LISA and too To everybody out there listening, thank you.

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