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happy so best news ever so happy and excited and tom you'll be taken some time. Hopefully we don't know until then for us it takes for two takes root. It takes for tat takes, but that's it we're episode, Alright, let's get to the news in case anyone still wondering where the republican party is headed after running a bunch of action, deniers and then refusing to ditch. There are twenty four front runner for dining with nazis. We got another hint at the young republicans event in new york city over the weekend. I couldn't attended jewelry, and am I if you didn't attend either. No, no. No. I decide to I'm going to go to the one in l, a the one in l, a right of course. So after the order, his president said quote: we want total war and quote must be prepared to do battle in the streets marjorie taylor green, took the stage and said this

the next thing you know I, along with db here and I had organised that we would have while back on that wasn't planned and I'm like. Are you kidding me a conservative second amendment the capital, without the we organise. I don't think so First of all, I think she's overestimating her organizational prowess, yeah, there's no evidence that she could put together an insurrection, but I also think she tells on herself a bit when she says we would have won, and it was that what okay, yeah so wild applause from the crowd which included don junior steve, Bannon, rudy giuliani, the publishers. a white nationalist website v. Dare so then the war

has called on republicans to condemn the violent dangerous remarks in response green, put out a statement. She said her comments were a sarcastic joke. sarcastic joke and she went on in the statement to attack, drag queen celebrities and a former twitter employee fired by elon musk, as one does not sure what do you think of that? It was just sarcasm defense. So it's just a joke. Didn't sound like that was just sounded like a joke or, first of all, she said a lot of things if she meant she meant at all and the other guy saying you know we want to be prepared to do battle in every arena, the media, the courtroom, the bow box in the streets. He means it too. She obviously she means it. What she's saying is we could do this with guns and we could be more successful the next time you know. also by the way she's ignoring the fact that they were armed. Many of them were armed. Yes, several people died. Several well that many them were armed anyway. We assume they mean this, and not just in the sense that, like that that guy wants, like cosplay as a brown shirt when he says like me,

He will do battle in the streets mean he's gonna do battle on the streets he wants to. He wants like vulnerable, broken angry young men to do battle in the streets on his behalf that the end you know to that enough people take this kind of rhetoric seriously that, like there'll, be part of protests at a drag, show they'll be part of bomb threats at a children's hospital. They will chase librarians out of their jobs. They will firebomb a doughnut shop that hosted a drag show. So that's what they that's. What they want, they're excited about that when they say streets, there were there there. There are proud and excited about the intimidation and they can leave. Maybe the want a bit of, though, though, creates him ironic distance from the actual outcomes are what they're calling for, but they want us to be intimidated. They want people to be freed. Yet em look marjorie, taylor, green and a bunch of other republican entertainers pundits like this. They can say that they're, just joking or trolling, you know, but philip bump at the washington post, pointed out that there is an enormous amount of pulling now that shows,

there's more sympathy for the use of violence as a political response by the right. It's been increasing most recently in on partisan paul found that one in three republicans agreed with the statement, because things have gotten so far off track. True, american patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save the country, that's one in three, so she can say that she's joking, she can say that it's our chasm, but she is speaking in the context of an environment where a third of the party that she's part of actually believes the violence could be a solution at some point- and you know like ours thing about this, and there is a problem we have now where the conversation when someone says lemming like this, even when there's an insurrection of the capital even sought after dobbs, that immediately conversation is what could happen next, they could do contraception. They could do gay

if they could come after if gay marriage or even an interracial marriage- and it's like it's like our political press- is always taking laxatives and so like it just runs through things really really fast process that way too quickly and like things are pretty bad right now we need to worry about. What's next and unlike there's, this problem with going to the next thing and its two problems? One it does it or how bad things already, but also a kind of makes everything. This conversation about. One big question is, which is like will america be free and inclusive democracy where people are safe and then Everything goes into that one question: if republic election deniers are defeated, it seen as a rebuke to Margaret hale agreeing which in some sense it is, but maybe there are two questions are answering and one is: will people like marge retail? green and paul, gostar and mac gates, and and some of these rightwing kooks will they have power.

The republican party to win elections- maybe maybe not, but they don't need that power to answer a different question which is: can they make life in america demonstrably worse and scarier, for people that dont look and think like them, and they are already successfully doing that. That is happening all the time. So there's always this tension between wanting to highlight and condemn violent rhetoric like this and not wanting to amplify and elevate someone. My green, we talked with this a million times. This is the second time in two weeks at the white house has put out a statement: not only condemn this, but then calling on every republican leader every leader everywhere to also condemn this dangerous rhetoric. Why do you think they have decided to go this route yet lightning? First of all, just politically we did just go through a mentor. Election were democrats over performed in part because of republican embrace of extreme people and policies, and we should force every

these are publicans to answer for people like anti g every day in part, because when we do force them to answer for it, we find that their terrified to do so that they tried to avoid it as much as they can because of their own. Political weakness is also eight and ten americans right now. Our concern about political violence as much as you're right you put there. There is a rise of violence, acceptance on the part of republicans, but at the same time the country itself is turning against it. One reason it is important for the white us to call this out because it's one of the biggest threats we face in this country and that's not coming from the administration. That's coming from law enforcement officials. You start to look at the list of what has been unfolding. You have five people murdering the colorado springs massacre a few weeks ago at a gay bar called club q, the massacre at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh that inspired the poway shooter, who also tried to burn down a mosque. The El Paso massacre, the buffalo massacre, the highland park, massacre the attack

am paul Pelosi. The insurrection you have far right, goon squads menacing a drag, show in ohio, glad counted one hundred and twenty four protests and attacks hard to differentiate between protests and attacks. Now, because they're, really harassment campaigns that run the gamut from thugs chasing, drag queens down the street to broken windows and storefronts to people being forced to quit their jobs because they're terrified of being attacked, and so you have like elon musk on twitter, claiming that like right: free speech is under attack because they took hunter binds dick picks up the internet while there like actual violence, actual threats of violence, curtailing actual speech, every and like changing the way, people live because they're afraid of the right wing in this country, and it is there's been a noticeable increase by like just This year, right wing extremists have taken part in at least fifty five actions targeting the gay community, an increase of three hundred and forty percent from just the year before in two thousand and twenty one.

Great know, if there's no its ever been great in that you know the department of homeland security, not a bunch of via woke liberals at the department of homeland security, Just issued a terrorism advisory bulletin, in the last couple weeks that warned about violent extremists targeting algae bt, q, jewish and migrant communities. It's happening all across the spectrum, its targeting vulnerable communities and marginalized communities all over the country, three and then you know at a higher level its republicans just saying that, like any one who doesn't think like them or look like them is, is not worthy of of of being safe, feeling safe in this country and a new and people like murdered green, say: oh sarcastic, when they say there doing it with a wink at a nod. Is not new. That is very very very old, using irony

Heat treating it like you're being clownish, treating it like a joke, treating it like you're, just trying to a freak. The labs like this is an old strategy for laundering hateful ideas. the people that no, what they mean, no, what they mean and the most broke in the most dangerous, the mode isolated are the people are going to take these kind. ideas to their logical conclusions, and these people think they can have plausible diane. I ability by claiming it's a joke by claiming they never actually directly encourage violence, but that's what they're stoking every day, they're just raising the temperature every single day and on the flip side. You know back to the question of like why the Biden folks, why the white house it was so quick to put out a statement, obviously there's a political reason. Obviously it's just like the right thing to do, but I also think there's a practical effect here like we know that, when leaders condemn this kind of rhetoric, they make it more difficult for

their supporters to embrace it and to potentially incite that right. Just as marjorie taylor, green and others by you know, joking around are more likely to incite this kind of violence. You can prevent this kind of violence when people in positions of authority are people who a lot of people in the country look up to or take cues from, say enough is enough. There's a it can be a vicious circle or virtuous circle between the base of a party and the leaders of that party. Yeah and democrats, I think we're not paying enough- tension to what has been happening, not just over the last six years, burlesque thirty forty years as our conversation got more and more heated as right, wing, radio and right wing extremism found more and more quarter, and it got to the point in the trump years where these leaders in a fish, Was felt they were no longer in charge, they no longer have the power to denounce it that the trump movement was not just like politically potent. It was electorally, successful and maybe afraid, when you see little cracks in that when you see election- and I start to losing you see, republicans a few

them anyway, even if they're too afraid to actually denounce trump by name and usually just little bits of space like we have to get into that space and like push them and try to make that space bigger, not just because it's going to help us defeat republican extremists, but because that's how for the next so many years we can begin to like go in a better direction. There has to be a way out of this so a decent number republicans in congress responded to trumps latest bullshit by saying is unlikely to when you know we're talking about that, sir. understandable strategy and maybe even effective one within the context of republican primary. It doesnt really applied a green now and Most of the republicans in congress, most republican politicians they've been pretty quiet today. What that is, I I don't think they feel like they have to respond anything get away with being quiet, they're, probably right. Oh, she just a cook, you know she's doing her cookie thing, we're kind of all. It's all pinnacle, it's all sort of baked into like the stock price of her and nobody's pushing them nobody's, asking them they don't have to. They don't have to account for it

think that can Mccarthy needs to be speaker. Well, that's why he specifically that ain't right right, the mccarthy they need every vote. in of roosevelt, yet this week he wants me. Speakers always want to be speaker. Come mccarthy promised to put pogo sar and molly children marjorie taylor back on their committees long before he knew he was gonna, be in a forced seat, fight to become speaker. The house he capitulate, these people long ago, but it and it's like, but because he needs her to be speaker. She knows that she now gets to say and do whatever the fuck. She won't stop not like. She was bring back before that contained, but now she knows that she has real power in the republican

party and no one's really going to punish her, because Kevin Mccarthy wants to keep his job and like by the way Mitch. Mcconnell has a growing problem in the senate to like he used to just have ted cruz. Now he's got a whole bunch of ted cruz's in his caucus, and so he's going to worry about that shit too yeah. It's not good! Well, let's talk more about Kevin Mccarthy, who seems to be the most miserable person in washington right now. That is the that's. The silver I think he needs two hundred and eighteen votes to become speaker, six house, republicans known as the never Kevin movement yeah. I love that. I have already said they won't vote form which he's him with two hundred and sixteen votes at most and that's a lot of republican especially new members, still haven't, said no votes or could be more than five or six. I think there's like four who said like no matter what they'll never ever vote forum and then the fifth and sixth or sort of like in one's, had like an inn.

stream circumstance? You know there wobbly enough that he could just get their votes. He needs. But he so far areas and have them, and but we should also Mccarthy's opponent, andy bigs, also doesn't have anywhere near two hundred and eighteen votes. So here's what pro mccarthy republican don bacon of Nebraska said the other day quote. If this small group refuses to play ball, will work, cross the ilo to find an agreeable republican. You think that's possible when I first of all, you know Don't don't turn us with a good time here. That is, that is that that is a threat that is a threat to chile, without doubt that you are you certain art and right. Near luck. Listen written this episode, if palm if Kevin Mccarthy, the only place bring us cheney, bringing us you jane it you get Janey, it did I hears You're got hymer is its problem cock

the problem, solvers caucus data, rule straightforward revered speakers, speakers, co, speaker, those speakers, speaker, liebermann, come on You know you know, there's no one. The rule book as a dog can play basketball, yet so brutal is just a threat, but even if it's not like you just look at this the only plausible person who is kept. Mccarthy can't be speaker, you do get to simply implausible people, we will see, but right now this seems to be something you're saying to remind the carcass that the alternative to Kevin Mccarthy is indulge in Jordan. It somebody that is up but above all, to a group of some of the people. The being floated were like, like you said,

any or or just in a marsh her. You know there's or some like more modern republican. But then again you would need every single house democrat to vote for this republican plus the handful of republican ma, it's in the house to give it to eighteen, whatever whatever number of different, whatever wilt, whatever number of republicans were green gone with this deal right right, plus, whatever Democrat when you have a bunch of democrats standing up and saying hi, I a Democrat elected with democratic votes in this district, hereby would like me retiring, member, fred, upton, yeah. It's a tough, it's practice itself in practice. I think what it does seem like these people will see what happens in the next couple of weeks. It does seem, like this group of republicans, wants to embarrass Kevin Mccarthy. There is little penalty for making sure that mccarthy loses the first vote right right like what's that going to do it's gonna embarrass Kevin Mccarthy, it's not going to hurt republicans either

everyone listening. Obviously, every single person was in his pocket remembers in great detail. The moment John Vainer lost his first vote out. You yeah really something I forgot about until these stories, but that he did and then I remembered it. So you could see that look I could see a scenario where just to get em mccarthy loses kick it took to eighteen and then like Steve's gullies ends up being the consensus job for speaker just so that the than ever Kevin movement can nah can get their guy yeah. Look. I look. I look. I don't. I don't presume to understand the minds of the never kevin movement, but anything they understand their minds, two points if they don't either but two points about this one, regardless of who the person is like. Let's not just it's not just about personalities, it is about the structure. And whoever this person is. They will be beholden to Margaret Hale, a green and paul ghosts. Are they will face the same problem there? All mccarthy, whoever speak

the house will be Kevin Mccarthy in some way or another, and then the question is: will these republicans rather get Kevin Mccarthy's had or get some concessions? for a lending to him and to me it seems like that's them, we don't know, but as the most likely likely direction we're heading and will listen, Oh seven incoming house republicans were still undecided. These are not the same people than ever kevin movement, it is a mere have, there may be kevin of seven may be Kevin's just it. If your nasty issued a series of demands to Mccarthy what Some of them in and what happens if he accepts them, I hear they are there, make upon well for any member to force a vote on removing the speaker and put a pin in that one we're coming back to that. That's what mark meadows did once to fuck with banner require at least three days to review the final bill text

for a vote. We ve tried out of order gorka great. What do you do? You read? It l fix it far. Republican leaders impacts from getting involved in primary said, basically trying to stop the party from trying to save the republican primary voter from from themselves. Been trying to do to cut. There is a desire for trompe wackos give the freedom com members more power and committees use it ceiling as a hostage which they wanted. You anyhow and go home on investigation to the bottom administration, basically, which again every republican to do any house. A really is that the more genes on committees like the rules committee, a more chair, jobs is a big one impasse and the biggest one which has been Only a little objector seats were given regard the basically this publicans is saying again, margarethe we'll? Let you be speaker, but we're gonna. Have you gambling device well and like all this shit, the mccarthy is june, unrolled robots ass. I am talking about something that is surprised, that travel advice

we get the reference catalan about yeah yeah. I was a title. Perhaps seventh olivias nothing. I think that manned and the debt ceiling demand are the two main consequential demands. The first one means that all this shit- the cabin- Are these doing right now to get the votes that he needs not saying anything where martyr till it all this bullshit? You can be doing that in in perpetuity they if they can vacate him at any time any may any member can cover any seven. I'm recovered so, like a once, he he'll never really have the giant ever sleep miguel ways trying out for the giant never is leading began its no contract quetta contract, its data we too weak. He just cannot give in to that that that I imagine they'll be some compromise there, where they can call of a vote of emotion to vacate, but like you're gonna need ex percentage of the kok has to do so. You just can't have any wacko in the caucasus com. I mean, if will say. If they do, then

The consensus speaker think could actually become a reality at some point and then the new debt ceiling increase until they get spent unless they get spending cuts and a balanced budget code court balanced budget in ten years. That's nuts, that's just setting it up. I mean I guess you could say he agree it's true that there's a plan and then he backs down, but that is what well. I just think it's like what, like whatever that says, that a policy pronouncement he doesn't have the votes. He doesn't have the votes he could put up there version of a debt ceiling increase which has all these cuts, it doesn't pass. Many says it didn't pass. I did what you asked me to do now is to go over it, in jeopardy, is again about cigarette. Only know how do you know what happens if they get the objective see buttons? You bring us delayed cabin through the skies through the sun rose, you gets gullies, I'm so is it. This is speaker. Try preacher. Far from here, it is going to be chaos. That is the only safe prediction that I have just a fiscal, if you know,

we didn't. We talked about this a little bed with the sender Brian shots later and it's you know clearly like he is frustrated that they don't have the votes to fix the debt ceiling once and for all, but just remember how fuckin stupid as that we'd that that there aren't fifty one democratic votes to get rid of the dead ceiling to take the bullets out of this gun that the worst people in congress are using to threaten the eighth worth, be worse people, congress, yeah and look this is I mean the way this goes down? Is they're, probably a majority in the house in this new house to one make sure that we lift the debt ceiling and don't you and don't hold the economy hostage fer. You know massive cut yet, probably like your don bacon and a couple of our motto, republicans but Kevin Mccarthy, speaker. Whoever is the speaker is gonna, be in control. Here I was just going to be chaos the.

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on friday, that she has changed her party affiliation to independent right after I attempted fate on thursdays pod by saying that at least we won't have to talk about Joe mentioning pearson cinema for the next two years. So much for that cinema also said she won't cock. The republicans, which means the Democrats will maintain their majority and control of all Senate committees. Why did you do it? Love it when she first of all religious, that's the most important point. By the way she will caucus with the Democrats, which means buffer the fact that we know how much of a pain in the ass. Ah, she has been on policy on paper. She is, she is doing what angus king and Bernie said. if you're doing it's just that she is doing in a way that will make it harder for us to pass our agenda. Ah, she did because you can't win a primary twenty twenty four. She has made herself toxic to too many democratic voters because of how she and tried to stymied Joe Biden's agenda, so the opera

were face, a brutal, brutal, democratic primary. She was probably gonna, whose or basically kind of go fall? Go full maverick in her mind, declares itself an independent and basically do what she's doing anyway, which is sometimes going along with Democrat, sometimes not claiming to be an independent claiming to want to work with both sides. Whatever kind of getting to build her brain so it's just sort of in a lot of ways. It's just sort of putting the right name on the way she's been behaving for the last couple of years anyway. I just think that such a cynical view which can you tell me what I mean she you I just want. She gave a quote. You are up to cnn and she shared motto or politico wherever she said. I know this is probably disappointing to folks, but I'm actually not even thinking about electoral politics. We're talking about that at all. Right now I mean she is so full of shit who's the shoot she like fancies herself, the next John Mccain. If John Mccain did something like this, you know you'd probably say I couldn't win

it's a good way to primary, so I am doing this for you know it's like you might not like it, but I'm just going to tell you she is so full of shit. Yes she's, so Full shit areas but you're right. She has a horrible approval rating. Among democrats, its she's underwater by a lot she's like thirty four thirty five percent among Democrats has been for a year now. She's got like a a decent approval rating among independence and republicans in arizona for all her favorability rating is still slightly underwater, so it's not like she's very popular in the state. It really is it's not even like it's the best. It's the it's the only option she has really, because I think that she would start as a significant underdog,

in a in a primary yeah. She just went from the underdog in her own primary to putting herself in a position to dare democrats to risk the seat to challenger, and it's it. Let's talk about that risk. How how difficult do you think it will be for a democrat to win cinema seat in twenty twenty? Four, I do think you should just adopt. A lot does depend on how she votes in acts that have saves over there like what

It does over the next few years, like just where she decides to draw her dumb lines in the sand. You know the last time it was about taxing hedge funds and corporations so like who knows what position she takes, that are kind of anathema to Democrats, so really does depend on what she does over the next two years and what she stands in the way of. But if, if the status quo ante is what it is, then it's really really hard, because any Democrat that runs against somebody who votes for democratic judges and voted for the inflation reduction act and voted for a host of really important democratic priorities is going to be someone who splits the anti maga vote, and it is a very difficult position for the democratic party to be in that said, you do see Democrats saying great now the primaries open you know, which is a little bit of a bluff, but it's very rare

hard and and the reason why it's so difficult is because of arizona's electorate so vizio. These are the voter registration statistics. As of november of twenty two is from the secretary of state website. Thirty five percent of voters identify as republican registered as republican thirty. One percent are registered democrats and thirty four percent are registered as other, so I you know- I saw some people saying- oh we'll, if all Democrats stuck together in arizona of all democratic voters stuck together and voted for the democratic candidate, would be ok, not true at all, you'd need a significant number of the thee

I affiliated voters. Independent voters probably need some republicans, as certainly mark Kelly. Just won the seat with nine ten percent of republicans, and he won independents by, like, I think, was like fifty five to forty significant margin. So you need those independent republican voters. Now. Does that mean a democrat like a mark kelly or someone like that? Couldn't capture a significant number of independents and republicans know but you're right, she splits the vote a little. If it's two of them going for that, because republican voters in arizona and by the way the republican party in arizona continues to nominate the most extreme candidates, it's only denominating doug do see anymore yet and they would- and if we are heading towards a democrat, democratic cinema anniversary and you'll, be damn sure they're going to nominate whoever the fuck they want, because they'll be pretty sure that person's going to be a senator and, like you know, kari lake got Sutton like ninety one. Ninety two percent of republican voters, blake masters like

probably the the least popular candidate in arizona in a long long time, he'd be a senator. He got like eighty nine. Ninety percent of Republican would in this he would, he would have won. Surgery So, if you get some of the republican candidate getting eighty nine ninety percent of the republican vow, and then you have to other candidate splitting Democrat an independent vote, that's really tough. It's really tough in them as I just said, were the voter registration says districts in the mid term in terms of who came out to vote in twenty twenty two, the mid terms in arizona were twenty seven percent democratic, thirty, three percent republican and forty percent independent. That is by the way like let let's not talk about this. Is it Democrats, the spoiler net scenario, the spoiler is a person and cares, and cinema oh yeah and, as we have seen no one is. It a team player than pearson cinema imagine

all of us sit around the table, trying to figure out how to convince kirsten cinema to drop out of the race, because she's drawing thirteen percent against reuben garriga right and costing us ascendancy like like there is unlike ugly fucking terrible outcomes, and that's why it's a very, very fresh. It was a very frustrating I we and look? I don't mean ruben guy. He goes out there saying, but I think he should be saying which is like I'm not going to make my decision based on, of course, her threat or her bluff or whatever the hell she's trying to do, I'm going to make it based on what I think is right. It's also interesting that he is already focusing in his statements and the arizona Democrats did this as well. They're, focusing their statements like not on her betraying the party or for republicans or for whatever, but her betraying the people who elected her by you know voting with wealthy donors right. She helped a killed, carried interest for the hedge fund assholes. She made the prescription drug provision

weaker for the drug companies right because as much as we are frustrated by her kind of bullshit rhetoric around her work with any money- and you know I'm just looking out for whatever I don't when either party a good idea can come from any or all the stuff people say there really good message: it really appeals to people I work with anybody. We gonna turn down the temperature, I'm independent. I do its best for arizona legging. These things do well yeah, it's just annoying as it's over his right. Leg came out and said: look! Here's! Here's three issues where I just am totally different from my party. Just don't just don't believe them and then here's the issues where I align with republicans. Here's where a line with democrats- and I just I- have no It was not about issues, it was no substance in any of her announcement. It was all just about and by the way, like the way which, I stood in the way of build back. Her was around like a like a few tax issues which are extremely popular, rich people, shacks real, like just her refusal to raise taxes and the biggest corporations in the,

people interstate like she took extremely unpopular position positions, especially unpopular with independents, to stymie some of the democratic proposals, but again next two years, she's still going to be the same pain in the ass. She was for the last two years now, at least when in terms of governing wolf, william, figured out what gets to life for at least listen. We still increased majority by one yet so now we don't need both engine and cinema everytime yeah, and you know in terms of how she'll be. However, the next two years in which how she'll vote the other issue here is like. There's not gonna, be a ton of legislation over the next two years. It's going to be confirming judges administration officials- that's gonna, be may land that has tightened and whatever happens at the detail and whatever happens, whatever happens with anyone who knows. Who knows we will talk, the debt ceiling and more with our next guest, senator Brian shots, red after this.

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rates of beer. Nice is evil shots, shots, drug use Well said the duke we were going to do. I dunno, I thought someone was going to do that. We have a whole. We have a whole staff. We're going to know we're gonna play that that song, can you do that imposed as theirs? we know what we can do that imposed bag. Our thanks for letting us know that that's it. I would run like s company balloon imposed, there's a lot on congresses play between now and the end of the year, not much time. What are you pushing hard is to get done. What can you live without? although the prisoner with a bit more anonymous spending baggage, because you know I'm not immediately jumping to jump the gun mccarthy's travails, but he's got arab tremendously, difficult time passing any budget. So whatever budget we passed is likely to be the budget for the next two years, and so, while we still have a democratic, controllable chambers, julie,

important to move forward with an omnibus spending package in the next two weeks and then for me, I'm working on making sure that a number of bills for an indian tribes and alaska, natives and native hawaiians are passed as part of that package, The electoral count, reformat gonna get done, I think so, but where is sort of like it at all depends on whether or not we have a big bill. If we don't have a big building. None of these other things are going to pass. An island the electoral count act and I've sort of had some internal I agree with some of my colleagues about it, because it's good, it's fine, but I'm u outlaw insurrection, insurrection is already illegal and really do worry that I see for republicans, but even Democrats they want to start. You know when all you have is a hammer. Everything feels like a nail. Everything looks like a nail, and so I do feel like everyone's thinking wow. That was really terrible. We should make a law against My own view is that they're gonna have better white, shoe law firms, they're gonna, be very good. for about it and there.

I dont know how successful they will be, and I don't know how big the movie will be, but the people want- Furthermore, the government are going to try to do it in a way that the veneer of lawfulness, so the electoral counteract, doesn't really push back against that. So, let's get that done, but let's stay vigilance Does insurrectionists you're gonna do with they're gonna? Do you haven't look? That's me, large about on this part of a fair amount which is yet passed the laws to do what you can to strengthen the system but understand that is about power like when you say stay vigilant, You know they will bend the laws. However, they wish to have already been doing that regularity of in the fact that even we're having this conversation is cause. They made up something about what the vice president can do. What is staying vigilant mean to you. Well, I just think they didn't mean. First of all, I think it was that the most important thing that happened was in it was in the mid term elections when, election denial, is an insurrection. Ism proved to be unpopular right because there's no amount of shaming of the other side that actually is gonna do the trick. What they have to figure out is that this is a loser

and on its proven to be a loser for them, and so that to me was the most important thing, but the Does anybody put their name on the ballot in twenty twenty? Four? The? U s, every secondary stay for the light. Is that or for president that immediately disqualifying and not just like one of the considerations right. It is, though, and then you can do- is vote for someone who says well. If I don't win, then it's probably rigged and we're going to have to take other measures. That's not okay, and we have to stay vigilant on that. I think, there's a lot of people on twitter who, like to sort of school, people who worry about democracy, because it I wish them to feel like their clever and there really in touch with what people really think, but I think that proved to be bullshit people actually care about insurrection. Isn't they don't want american style

democracy to be destroyed, whatever their view as a tax rates or whatever I do. You think republicans have learned any lessons from their losses in this mid term from the fact that elections nihilism was a loser, we got, you know dining with the nazi and you know a lot of your republic and colleagues in the senate. You know there was some, there were some chiding of him, but there wasn't any like like no one was ruling out were voting for hammer supporting him for president, except, I think, mitt romney. We have marjorie or green. Over the weekend, saying like me and Steve Bannon had planned the insurrection and it would have been successful, Now we're going have another round of republicans trying to dodge these questions from reporters. What what do they learn? Lessons have you ever? Have you seen us in at least from your perspective with your colleagues because she's not characterize it as being of people learning lessons right, but I will not say that

increasingly somewhere republican college just feel like donald trump is not good for them and their not afraid to say it That is a is a directional change from everything I've seen before. They feel that they can win a primary I'm as income in united states senators and still be considered. Conservatives and good standing and just sort of observe that hey we ve cunegonde nor asked ass several cycles and maybe it's time to move on, so I don't know like internalizing a lesson so much as reading how the public responded and that's where I think the activism and the success of the mid terms. It can't be overstated because it was the voters that send the right message to the republicans who want to stay office that this isn't good for business anymore. So, let's talk about democrats for a second You know you mentioned the omnibus you didn't mention. The debt ceiling is imagined in cinema. Just made that impossible. Opel former democrats have managed

cinema made that impossible or went out into the dazzling. I don't think it's necessarily mentioned in cinema and I'm not giving up. I have a bill. There's lots of like clever ways to do this, where you sort of you know make it subject to congrats. disapproval, and my my bill is even simpler. Now, just repeals the goddamn thing it's stupid, yeah and is dangerous to the country, If I had to guess, I don't think we're getting sixty votes on an omnibus bill that includes the repeal of the debt ceiling or even some sort of more convoluted way to to land there. So I'm going to keep in you know, I think it's important that your listeners here what's actually happening, not just what we wish would happen and over the next two weeks likelihood of getting debt ceiling into a bill is, you know, not zero, but not super high. We have kind of high degree of difficulty over the next two to three weeks, just to get our work done and, and yes, it is true that this leaves a ticking time bomb. You know for next time,

earth and fiscally and for the country, so I'm not happy about that, but that is the state of play, but this is why I can't understand is like what, obviously you could attach it to a budget reconciliation bill. I realized that takes a lot of time and is very complicated, but I felt like I feel it give every senate Democrat felt like you that we, this ticking time bomb and now we're going to trust, Kevin Mccarthy and his gang of yahoos to defuse next year. We might as well liked figure out how to do now, while we still can, if we could do with fifty one votes yeah, I mean It's all so having on the whip count on what would at what would happen in reconciliation. I will say: reconciliation takes two weeks and we have to go. Omnibus and a defense defence build done in the next two weeks so like logistically, it's gotta be hard, but I My view is we. We should be very clear, eyed about the consequences of not fulfilling our obligations, not standing by

we'll faith in credit of the united states, but we should not run around scared of the republicans on the desk in my view on that ceiling. Since I got to the said it now, just over ten years ago, is exchange for lifting the debt limit. You get nothing and I you. You guys learned- and you know not a bramble shit, but but you got that. what you ended up with when you negotiate over the debt ceiling was was something called seek restoration, which were these stupid only in mindless cuts to domestic discretionary, said and everybody hated it until we finally repeal the insults after that obama and then even trump answered sure, and policy, and now Biden ought to have the view you get nothing for lifting the desolate. That's what you get, and you can make all the noise you on and all of the political and the oxytocin, the hills and wash your post will come to me right in my face and say Haber

scared about the global economy, and I will say yes, But I am more scared I am scared of allowing these people to do this to us episode we whenever they want to extract crazy concessions, and hold the whole country in the last. I guess probably six times that we've gone through this. Our position has been you get nothing for this They have got nothing for this. It's always very scary, and it's like making my palms just thinking about it. Nothing But you're already pitching europe without look just what just happened to me at this and that this table, as you just push forward you're. Just you moved on to the conversation we're gonna? Have we don't do right now, you're just Having that conversation we're onto the next thing, but so you just think we're going to have another situation where the republicans are gonna put a gun to their own head and as to shoot. That's what's happening next year. I think that's gonna happen like every six weeks

It's not that great, but I go away. I gotta get you get! Nothing is there. Yeah. I know why that needs to be the position, because otherwise bitter I know, but I know that none of the votes but like there are fit. We have a majority big they just do they not hear this argument, What is the argument? Your hearing back about? Why not to do this right now, they're afraid of the ads in two years? I don't understand, there is a it is ass. It is so fucking stupid, Why are we fixing this? What why are there fifty votes to fix this? I kid. Tell you why there aren't fifty votes, I'm just in the business of counting, and I don't think we have the votes to do that right. Now, yeah, yeah, kirsten cinema, how you feel about the party switch? you know neutral right, like I think up, murph set it exactly right, the other day, which is like not that much changes he has been very explicit that she is not going to interfere with the subpoena authority or the ability for that majority. Be the majority right, we're not gonna, be in the old pal.

we're sharing arrangement, as if it were fifty fifty and my view is like you're single. It's how she wants to vote. She behaves how she wants to behave and that's not going to change very much because the all this is like commemorates her actual political position, which is there. she is. She leans laughter The measures and right on some issues and shame keeps her own kind oh and sometimes work as it works with us and sometimes doesn't you think the issue? The ds cc should recruit data candidate for hours on end twenty four, I didn't you, listen all while that was a hard won. we talked about it before every tragic him over the heart is yeah. Look, I think the democratic sent a campaign committee has an obligation to elect democrats, but it is a little different when you're talking about saying is key, it was an independent who caucuses with the Democrats. You know we don't support a democrat to run against Angus king, so I part of what has happened over the next six to twelve months is to figure out

we're here, since it is that, where the democratic party a party of it, donors had his out and sort of. However, you know a respectful discussion and negotiation. That's about my pay grade, but you know I get along very well with kirsten believe it or not. We worked together on a number of things, and so you know I'm hoping this lands. Well. Everybody's been so nice, I mean yeah, what was he going to do? I dunno yeah on twitter. You have a new gig as a as deputy conference secretary. What's what's that all about I figured you just look, I think gum chuck sure and I we've had conversations over the last two or three weeks about how I can just became more helpful and really what that means is I'm in that sort of official leadership which has a monday meeting where they kind of set the course for the for the week I my buddy back home, was not in politics. Texted me said

It's me, I said I didn't think of me as a very low ranking person in the room where it happens, and last year I as deputy deputy that chief deputy whip. Like junior varsity leaders But now I'm on the virus, but not a star. Do you think it's going to be a problem, call that you don't remember the bay of pigs. I personally, You don't remember- you remember unfolding me like a hope it works. over cleared. The cory booker is in the leadership and yes, yes, you and cory booker, neither one I'm not claiming that cory. Booker remembers the bay of pigs, here's a policy question you're, one of the biggest climate hawks in congress. What do you make of this news? the department of energy plants, were announced that they ve made a fusion energy breakthrough that could create zero carbon power. Yeah. It's a huge deal. It's a big technological, through, but remember there are a lot of them ready to go

new technologies. So the question is deployment. This is a big tech technical break through its unclear what it will mean for energy market over the next ten to twenty years, and I do worry that like just because the climate changes are terrifying, that there's a little bit a moral hazard, a kind of like you know hitching your wagon, to whatever the latest technological breakthroughs and civil rights that way we don't have to make any of the investments or transit. in that we were fearing and theirs. Magical energy source. The truth is: there's an old magical energy source got called the sun and and and and we ve still I wind energy, both of which are now coming in cheaper than coal and in some instances, natural gas. So I just want us to be exact: about this technological development, but understand that there's no, silver bullet on the climate side. There's just a lot of we have to do at once. This is one of the incredible opportunities in front of us. We should think of it. That way, but as a part,

a strategy not as something that obviates the needs. Take other actions makes sense. here's something I know you might have some thoughts on the new york times headline critic, say: musk has revealed himself as a conservative. It's not so simple Have you look? I will let you see I most seals or conservative so like that that does bother me on his face and I'm not gonna get into that platform itself, but I just do think really. Smart people who work for the new york times, I'm are intentionally obtuse, are intentionally hazy and gauzy with their language, and I know and love. It's talked about this for a long time that somehow that is sort of a substitute for being actually savvy or real analysis that their favorite thing to say is wow quite a simple as all those people on the internet say and it sort of like you, have the work so goddamn hard to to read all these tweets and look at all this behaviour and think,

it's really impossible to decipher his his on politics and I said I don't really care about this, except that you still have the most powerful media platform: mainstream media platform, what is being intentionally dumb about things and that's a little maddening, especially given it's history and our history. Over the last seven years, it's pretty it's pretty frustrating cause. Elon musk is now treated like prosecute FAO g vote dissenting vote, publicans, the woke virus destroy, humanity needs like whip, but but what does it mean when speaking of twitter report? it's that, basically the white house, his view on twitter Is that it really just as kind of two functions. One is to influence a leak, pinion, ITALY, journalists and the other is to convince progressives on twitter to bully those people.

do important invaluable uses in our society, and so they are not seeing that they're not kind of their, not dare not hooked onto the EU law is national emergency train. where, where are you at on this I don't think it's a national emergency. I think there are. There are. You know, for instance, wrote on his email. I got asked by a reporter what you think about real casino being the schools. I thought. Well look if a if a congressman is emailing a company that congressman does not actually have a reasonable expectation of privacy. I think the threshold with rubicon would be would be would be crossed if a member's dmz were or disclosed and those were not to the company write it. But an official correspondence from a member of congress to accompany is like to me that reasonably fair game. Question becomes when Moskva feels under siege. Does he then weapon eyes the data that is in possession of? I don't know the answer to that, but I want Very very precise

with our language, because in case that ever does happen, I don't wanna, have cried wolf just because a congressman wrote a letter to a company. I mean if I write a letter to a company. I fully expect that that's going to be, you know public communication, but you're sticking around on twitter well, you're, you're, stan yeah. I know I'm not trying to advertise for the platform, but of my own personal user. Experience has not changed hardly at all, except that the main topic on twitter seems to be the the owner, which is a little bit of a bummer, but something that I I feel like over time will work itself out. It is brunei. Are you not tooting on Sudan, by the way, I'm too stupid to figure out macedon? I got out how I feel I just I don't know how I do. I don't know what a table people talked about: post I've, just like I'm lazy to set up myself on another platform that I feel what

I think when an office has massive christmas decorations, including a huge tree and then there's just like one tiny, shitty little manure off to the side. I think it's anti semitic. I did ok. Thank you. I should say at this point that in our off as there is a menorah that is so large, there's like a machine, that's like keeping it inflated. Yet that makes noise down the hall to the vet. We have a very large and our johns worried about a big jewish machine, interesting interesting seat is out Besides, whatever wanted that to be not our offer, you know nothing about anita balenciaga jacket and a scheme. Ask our right to be part of the problem. I did not see that colleagues, Why? soon. I saw speak of twitter eyes on twitter. You tweeted that you're going to look into these looking scam texts that we all keep getting are you. Are you looking into this guy on their actually? tweeted it, and then I was just like. I didn't text my legislative staff to see who

follow up sweets and makes the things that I too a true. I did get hurt x for my staff, but apparently the susie actually has already started the rule making process item text. So I want to follow up with that the Wurzel who's, the chair of the susie, whose only there, because we have a democratic senate and who is working on a rule to crack down on these things. That is fantastic. That might be one of the most popular things the government does awhile yeah scrap o brien shots, it's wonderful as always to have you. Amerika great disease has links with a girl, happy, hanukkah, happy, hanukkah and we're saying merry christmas again. To get serious big sir Brian charged for joining us today, and I will talk to you later. Thanks centre shots, shots does where we play it.

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