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What, in your opinion, makes The greatest of all time in their sport is common denominator that you see cut across these men and women that make them the greatest, nay, have touched perfection from one moment to another. but they all want to hold it and grasp it it's like a jellyfish and that just slipped through their fingers, but when they touch it it's like being an attic. They want to touch it again and again and again because they know they can the a national champion? a big, dimness, Emmy nominated documentary think about what it takes to achieve. One of those things, let alone those three I'm talking about. Jennifer say you got really started in this at a young age right, yeah

about six when I started, which is not unusual, and it's a fun sport for little kids, after to remember, starting in the seventies. This was just a few years after title mine had passed, which gave, Are also young women equal opportunity, it's? You play sports and do sports in college. There were a ton of options for girls for I was sort of choosing between danced uranium, gymnastic and nine company g at the station. You, the world station nineteen, seventy six and I was completely lammert wrong as one I ask, as she was a kid she was fourteen years, although we all related to her- and I was doing so wreck classes at the time. But then I just became completely obsessed with gymnastics. We have other choices, their work, socrates- and you know also understands it, I got my daughter can play anything my son place. Those opportunities were really there, a nineteenth century set. When did you know?

that it was more than that, board a hobby, an interest that it was a real life passion for you. It sounds crazy, probably seven- I mean I loved it. So much and you say about gymnastics which is becoming less true, which I'm grateful for is. It was always viewed as a serbia, or at least as at when I did a a young girl's sport, a child sport, as you have this very narrow window of opportunity, I sort of view that you couldn't really do it past teeters having tea, and so the intensity started very young, and so, if I sat him, I was going four days a week for two We are at a time of seven years, all which seems kind of insane, and I start competing at seven and I made a lead, which is the highest level that you can pieper spot on the national tibetan. I was ten Oh I've known some gymnast that have done that sort of thing, and I watched what it did to them.

and to their families, making sacrifices actually moving to get them to coaches, and all that thanks a lot of ex everybody in the family, lead ass. Anything I had Some challenges with my family, as I left the sport for a long time, but as I look back now and as a peer at myself, I think I was a very difficult child's appearance and I was very driven I wanted to go to the next level. I wanted to go to the next club and I wanted to use wasn't enough to make the national team I want to be in the top six, like I don't know what you do with kid like like fastened, my parents did absolutely everything they could to support me now. What it already they went too far, because the entire family answered revolved around me doing the sport when it became a bad situation for me and I was very physically damaged emotionally, just falling apart and I wanted to leave. That was just unthinkable at that point for my family,

if they'd sacrificed to put so much into it, and it's like now you want to quit. Are you kidding me it's hard for them to wrap their head around? It is, and I understand that, but if you can't see what's happening to your child right in front of your face when she is just disintegrating- and I mean I was suicidal, it was, it was horrible and to not be able to see that and put your child first. I think I would call, should any family to put any childs activities at the centre of that entire families existence. It's too much pressure for the kid I dont have finally clouds of support at night. You know, dream and having it take over the entire families life so yeah I got it I tought towards the end. It was a ton of fun until it wasn't. I had a lot of injuries I trained on a broken ankle. For two years I broke my femur at the world championships I kept coming back, but

kind of those those serious injuries in the pain because I always came back for? I was fully heels existing in that much pain and training. With that much pain wears on the psyche. As you might imagine, an eating disorders are rampant in the sport as well. Because you get told a lot. Your fat when you're, not gonna, be small, is really pushed on you. Any new awaited twice a day. Our weight was announced over the loudspeaker. We were shamed and called horrible names for gaining a quarter of a pound. bullying and fat. Shaming is sort of in reprehensible. To me now I fly mit need brain these fevers that I was adopting, because I was to lose three pounds by tomorrow or you can't go to the competition and keep mine. I was ninety eight pounds and seventeen years old at this point and I thought I could manage the behaviors. I thought it was sort of situational and that, once I left the sport

be normal. But of course that's not what happens you internalize all these, the least about south korea struggle was in eating disorders for many years after I left a sport, hard. It is turning off because it just becomes part of who you are in to use our fellow yeah you're, so your parents got tunnel vision just refuse to notice, this downward spiral that was going on because they were so focused on. really on one says trying to get you what you wanted, but they have much invested in it. I guess there's so much conflict can't see what's going on, they don't want to see it can't see it don't see it description of we were so embedded in this community. Any my mom worked in the germ at the front desk her identity was very much tides and maybe one of the best kids in the GMO we moved our feet leave from new jersey, talent,

pennsylvania. I initially moves by myself and lived with a coach fourteen hours to difficult my mother moved. I'm then the whole family Lou I'm so we re orchestrated our entire lives around my gymnastics and that's a lot of sacrifice for appearance. I reject it. It's it's hard you know I'd, say it's twenty twenty! You know I would say I wouldn't do that right now for one of my kids, I think it's too much pressure for a child. I don't think it's healthy for the family dynamic, but I dont fought them, for they were trying to be supportive role. Of course you should your fear that this kind of thing is still going on today in gymnastics Oh yeah, I mean we do get I wrote a book in two thousand. I am called chalked up, which was a memoir about my time in gymnastics. I you, I can t had to suffer from. Basically what was a culture of abuse. extreme emotional, physical abuse. There is sexual abuse

it's as we now know because of the cases of of Larry Nasser, but it was very prevalent and president when I was doing it as well. The national team coach in the eighties, the olympic coach, is now banned from the sport for sexually assaulting Athletes on the national team- this was the environment that we, grew up in and I continue to struggle with that into my thirties and eventually wrote a book about it. Now I did not realise how controversial, it would be ass. You know, I thought all of this was an open secret. Not a secret great that we were allowed to talk about, although it should have gleaned that and so I was just- it was not the first time I've been dragged on the internet and call for of names. Now it was in a smaller tinier community before it was served, genetics gymnastics in the larger these sports movement that I was deemed a liar and a grifter just sort of bitter about not making the olympics and out to make a back, and you know dragging these good men through the mud these these coaches,

you abuse young children for no reason tat I went I endured for ten years, will wrote the book chalked up we pull the curtain back on all that you did receive a lot of as for the book as well, but you were attacked and as you say, people word is saying I'll do sour grapes because you didn't get what you wanted. So now you wanted trash. The sport is basically the ass. That meant most of that was coming from inside the community. Because I was criticising our community people outside We started more exciting You shine a light. They watch gymnastics every four years, the olympics. They thought it was really cool and these doubts he little Q. Girls were jumping around the early go. I never thought it was that bad they didn't nestor question mike, hunting had it been inside the sport and united. essentially excommunicate about it. It's not

being called names on the internet, you being threatened with lawsuits, and I had to cancel readings because there was violence that was threatened and all these kinds of things It's fine! I got through it. I think the most It just still doesn't sit right with me. As you know, Larry nassar- and I know you had Joe jack line on recently. I think you spoke with her recently but Larry Nassar, who was the team usa. Gymnastics doctor Thirty years went to prison for life for abusing hundreds and hundreds of young athletes and when that story broke it in ITALY hated. The entire sport and the culture because he was harboured, aided and abetted by the leaders in this war is now suddenly we were allowed to talk about this. I'm in every www came at me. said. Oh, we always stood with you, which is a lie. Welcome to the fight that it's it's not true, but someone has to go first, someone has to say a thing. First, you are

yes, we are a woman of determination you have the ability to discipline set objectives, they were the go after it and when you wrote chalked up, you were. An outcast ostracised by the community and of really looked at what happened after that book. What some of the comments and feedback really? it came from and what it was and the people we're saying a lot of things. They were saying. New damn. Well, that you were saying was true: they in fact, experiencing what you were calling out, but yet were closing ranks because I once you are in the middle of it, it's like cognitive dissonance. You have to justify. It in your own mind in order Two can

a you to go through it, you have to find some way to make it ok, but it was so ironic that a lot of the people that were yelling the loudest were actually suffering what you were talking about, the suffering being isn't easy, yeah a certain irony is one of the most harmful aspects. Is that meets almost coalblack, so your condition as an athlete to believe that? It's your fault, if you are if feeling pain, emotional, physical, it's you are if unity, if you're, think, if you think your hungry. and your screaming at you ain't you much here, fat! It's your fault because you ate too much if you are limping around on a broken ache on trying to train and you're, told your lazy peace, a garbage, You're fought you're, not injured your lazy and show you in true, Is this shame? And it's all your fault, you carry that with you beyond the sport, just like the eating disorder, and so yes, those that close ranks,

we're suffering, seems conditioning. I'm the day believed it was then Dorothy. What's really, Interesting is the film and I produced which you reference athlete AMOS came out in arm in in two thousand, and twenty what I really wanted to do was can act and ask your story to the larger culture of abuse, and it prompted this outpouring of young athletes around the world. And retired at its telling your stories of abuse in the letters that I got emails, I guess it's more accurate? I didn't even know this was abuse. I knew I was suffering, but I didn't connect it. I would hear the most egregious stories about sexual assault. Lisa, oh lucky, I did not go through that, but for that the way it laid out in the film they realise that their continued suffering as a result of this emotional, psychological and physical abuse, and they could name at finally such a lover, for success and skip trips to the grocery store, cannot hello fresh to make home cooking easy, thud and affordable green

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number one meal kit. When you earn your degree online in arizona state university, you get everything the nations most innovative university has to offer the same internationally recognised faculty, the same nationally ranked programmes, the same degree learn more it s. You online that a yes, you dot. Edu DR corey Yeager is an nb, a psychotherapist and author of a great book called. How am I doing forty conversations to have with yourself? I've read it cover to cover and I'm going to talk about. Not all forty of these conversations, because I want you to buy the book and read it. You don't even need to read it. You need to use it, but we're going to talk about that today. How did you get on this path? Do the things that you are doing. What got you interested in helping people actualize themselves. In be all They can be so my group, mother. When I was a young kid at about age, I think I was about ten years old. She pulled me to the side and said son. You have a gift.

Reason, I'm telling you that I see this gift in use, because I have an interest in called discern and really know what my grandmother was talking about, but I had watched her be a person that people came to continuously engaged with questions and she moved with such a wisdom back to fill that I was intrigued. I don't they I understood why I was intrigued, but I was so. I think I earned on had a sense that engage. With others supporting others was would be important to me and then I found a way to couple that intrigue with academic pursuit. I play football in long beach state out here and allay, but didn't you degree. While I was going to school, I thought I was gonna, be a pro often of lime and make mains dollars that didn't happen, and then I didn't have my degree I found my way back into the academic endeavours. My wife pushed me

of sand me. Are you have to get your degrees boys know that we both have our degree. I was working for. motor company on the line. Workin busting my but also start going back to school at night and fell in love relatively quickly, with the psychological ram. It was really interesting to me and, as I pressed they got their ba. I thought, maybe I should do therapy. I didn't really know what an entailed, but it was about. Choice. My life, my wife pushed me to do that. You she's been a cornerstone to allow The things that I pursued over the course of my life when you work with pro athletes now with detroit pistons and I wrote up here- peace not too long ago for sport echo it had to do with the in fail draft. I said the idiot fails. Just getting re too met A new class, a millionaires and

or to talk about what they're not telling them They're not telling them is that they are going to have on average just, over three years of a career and that eighty percent of them two years. After being out of the league are gone, to be in financial distress and or bankrupt. They don't tell him there, but That's what happens. I'm really- interested in your take about, because you know both play division, one football and even at that level we know had disciplined. You have to be how come did, you have to be had dedicated. You have to be take it to the next level, the national level, which is what too percent of those at play: college football, beggar, thy level, so weird king about intelligent dedicated disciplined.

young man, but yet we in five years. There going to be in life and financial distress, depressed and out of control, housing happening. You know I think there are so many factors stack to fill that go in to what you just said. and one of the leading factors is all of a sudden. I'll. Just briefly tell a quick story. I had a kid that was the guy drafted and he rapidly. We were sitting talking after the draft and he said back before the draft I looked at bank account. I couldn't even take a twenty dollar bill out. I had twelve dollars in my bank account. I did after that sign. Twelve million dollars in my bank account, but no one had sk dust with him. What that movement like and how that would play out and how you had to be fine,

actually astute and understanding that all of these people will be coming to you and you can spend it frivolous forever. Slightly and lose it or you can figure out a differ wait, there's no one really back having those deep conversation. with the maybe it s surface level at the key symposium. They may talk a little bit about it, but often- times these young men are coming from I'm actual situations where it was a struggle and then all of a sudden I have all of this out to do with it, and everyone wants a piece of it. So I think that bad would seem act is extremely difficult, and all the while that your balancing I'm trying to figure it out. You must perform. You said too

three years four year career, is almost a long career in the nfl in the n b a these days. So no one is having these. These extremely important conversations and the kids look back after four or five years and they've lost at all. They will have nothing to show in a typical individuals. Lifetime earnings even with a college degree. is less than a typical. In the end, be higher. Nfl makes justin Two or three years led through their shacks good friend of mine, any oversimplified it a little bit but not much, but he said when he first the twenty million dollar deal. He thought okay great I got five million dollars that I can go in by house. Imagine five million dollars. I can get a house for my mother and five million dollars. I can get a house in california and in five million dollars I can just run and play with and

he said about october. They came and said you gotta, ten may and our tax bill here, and he was like what yeah sharks eyebrow yet guy, I'm sure you probably know him and he's a smart guy. He said I was so naive, other, oh, my god, I'm broke, I'm not just woke up to a million dollars in debt because Oh buddy had set out and said: ok, look limitless thing about this: you you got twenty may and our contract here and you ve got the money back. You don't have twenty. You have ten, need to set this aside. had he not been smart and resilient and able to do different thanks to start making money and supplementing in addition that he could been one of those people that fell out, but he wasn't any didn't than the rest is history. We know he's done extremely well, but

don't they have you on every team. Why don't? They have you talking to every player wire? do not ubiquitous throughout the sports because you're, having these conversations yeah, I think that you had a number of points that are really important, one of which is the did my that is associated with my work, psychological world, I think overall, as a major athlete, there's a stigma about the vote ability of saying I'm struggling with something, especially in the in the cycle. article ram. So these guys are struggling. they don't realize that twenty million does not mean twenty million. Twenty million means, as you said, ten million and you're gonna have a huge tax bill, no one, discuss that probably die because discussing that doesn't pay well. That discussion may not be it pays well, because what pay, as well as the exploitation of athletes, rigour of color ray

any of those things there will always be folks lying in wait to exploit, and that can be for in an entertainer I mean across the gamut. So if you don't have one or two people that are firmly rooted and are really in their corner. There left the chance of of that struggle. financial struggle. Kicking in that's what's happening time in time and time again are, the role models, the problem as young man, I'm talking about while there in middle school or Whatever are they looking at role models that have flash cars and flash lifestyles because Look at some of the live thousand, these pro athletes and a million. I know I make more money than they do and I could not begin to afford that lifestyle and they I like it going to last for ever yet so back, let's be clear on a point here

that often times, especially in african american community, all of the trinkets, the things we may see as flashy. If you come from a committee, pity that has not had access to accessibility into the fire. Joe means to to have generate, build and enhance our generation of wealth is limited at best, so what we are fooled into them. came the fools gold is, if I can afford, some way to get these trinkets others will see me as being wealthier, rich even though I don't have the means to uphold their so Sometimes I think what becomes more important is: the selling of a process that I have all of this they think I use the term role model that a role model is extremely important. You ve been a role model for me. You ve, never I've never met you, but that you were a role model, never knew who I was till this moment.

I think what we are in need of I talk about in the book is: a real model, who real models in your life that you can turn to look at it age will be curious with be taught for their wisdom, and you, have access to them more consistently, because I had real idols. My grandmother was a real model for me to develop this therapeutic since so how do we find those real models and be curious with them back? I think, curiosity leads way? who awareness can be more aware actually relational. If I can become more aware the chair- is that I make better and more informs the informed decisions increases exponentially so as a their business. You know my jobs, The change anyone my job is to be curious with you and I,

raise the awareness around things that you may seek to change, and I think that's really the cornerstone dr phil come february. Twenty seventh you're gonna be able to pick up a book called We ve got issues You know we do. This is about that says it's gone to teach you how to stand strong for america, soul and sanity, and in this- book. I set forth ten principles for Saving this society from going off the deep in ten principles for protecting your family, ten principles- or giving you what you need to flourish and have the law did you want for yourself and for your children and for your grandchildren. Taken some wrong turns. We ve been let the loudest voice dictate some of the thinking that has take That's way off course will abstain,

and bring us back to the centre of the road. I hope you ll pick this book and I hope you read it. with a real open mind, because I'm push it by. Could guess a lot of what you been hearing somebody to do it might as well. Be me they'll be worth twenty. Seventh, we gotta issues as agenda ex her. I grew up watching my mother stories with her and I still enjoy watching tv, I'm Amy archer, I'm a writer and I started my part cast little. Miss recap to talk about everyday shows that were watching so few watching stuff like married at first sight: sister wives, yellowstone, yellow jackets virgin river, or even some of the latest document trees gave little miss recap a try you can find us on any

had cast up or visit little. Miss recap: dotcom doktor. Any shale is herself a to time and see a national track and feel champion winning in the fifteen hundred meters outdoors and the mile indoors. Now she has a phd in health, education and promotion. Her research focused on understanding the cycle, emotional and psychosocial challenges operation and responses of olympic go metal, winning athletes and she to be ass, an exercise size tell people what it is you do. What it is you focus on, because this is a mental health issues, mental performance yeah. just for my own athletic journeys that we follow our passions in life? So little bit about my story was just really liking under. anyhow, we push our bodies, how we push those limits, understanding

from the physiological standpoint, some exercise science degree really wine to understand. Not and through that journey I discovered just how powerful that mind is- and I saw myself drawn to and wanting to know, more about those that were successful rate and how did they do what they did and how did they continually stand at the top of the podium right when the national championships win whatever whatever championship you're after and so through? That I discovered more of the psychology aspects and just how powerful our mind is and just how? How much our mind just shapes everything that we do that lead any me of back to really understanding what that performance mindset is and what the best of the best do. The environment that create these winning these winning teams is winning organization than enough kind of where I live and breathe again, and love love to do that kind of work.

so, let's talk about pressure. What is your approach to helping people perform at that critical moment when it's their opportunity to choke or opera opportunity to really step up and excel. Do you have a particular strategy approach, philosophy about teaching athlete to deal with those big pressure moments. I went to the court of auditors. Pressure doesn't exist, it doesn't exist right so in their mind, that's how they dealt with it. Was you thing like it

it matter right and then you hear the cliches of like well, pressure builds diamonds, and you know there's all of these things with dealing with pressure, but I think in general. Ideally, we've prepared our athletes for this moment right. So the best athletes have the best. Athletes just live for those pressure moments right- and this is when we see in the movies where it like things, get like boggy and kind of zoom out, and you just see this like tunnel vision right and the best athletes like live for those moments and know exactly what to do, but even with that, they've probably had these moments as they as they've gone through sport to know how to handle those moments right. So if we think about your progression and your development as an athlete probably early on, there were coaches that helped them

I had those moments that now, when there are these big moments in the super bowl or whatever it is, they know how to manage those. Does that make sense, I think, are you saying, acknowledge it and have a strategy for when it comes up? Why would say the best of the best like live for those moments, but I would say to in those moments right, so you take control of what happens right. So you know exactly what you're doing you know exactly the play. You know exactly how you're going to, but you need to do when you stay focused on the moment right. So you don't get overwhelmed by the moment, but you're able to like recognize where your mind is, are able to put it where it needs to be and like block out any distractions that might be there right, so whatever that is the winning free throw of a basketball game right. So you know exactly like say with your routine. Take a deep breath: do your shot right so really being able to control your mind to stay focused on the task at hand to deliver your best performance in that moment and when we see athletes maybe fall apart in those moments, probably because they were distracted

side of the moment something caught their attention are mine wandered they became over wound, as opposed to really dealing in taking control that more men and delivering your best performance in that moment openly to the sure, like three hundred days a year play with a low really good player, some the tour at all and that aspect of getting to match point, double faulting when there, not who they are. They just don't double fall, but then they get to that moment and they hit it afoot under the tape because they tighten up- and Everyone that I talk to says exactly what it is said they get distracted at that moment they start play and what, if I, god? What have? I double fault? Oh my god. What is this? What if they start thinking about other than securing the shot? Really, every point ways the same, but they But all that time, all at pressure and all the distress

comes into that moment and, of course, they're gonna miss the ball. They don't even look at it Is there so destructive that such a good point about not being distracted at critical moment, given its hard to keep? Are mine in the present right, though, it's really hard to do that in a moment. But again, it's training your mind to know exactly what you need to do in that moment, yeah, but boy, it sure pays off if you can and that's a difference of that really home skill versus those that don't write. When you do this with a team like the jets

If there were some things, you can do collectively with a team, but then there are things you have to do with the individual players because of their personal profiles, say I love education, I love teaching, and so we can work on these things and I think coach I say teach, and so we can talk about these things as a whole. We can discuss these various things and then just like any other classroom or any other, and even if, like football classroom whatever it is, each person has their own skill set that they need to improve upon right, so just as we're teaching different, installs or or different things within different classrooms. Like we're also working on exactly what we need to work on for our own selves, So we understand what our strength are. We understand those areas where we need to get better with our with our own mental game. When you first brooch these subjects, when you first introduce working on middle performance, do you find some of the people

pooh? It are resistant to it, and to win them over this scope to susan a mood of people. We believe, as a combination of both I would say. I think that, as were understanding more of the sport science frontier were really understanding the importance of the mental side. Anything sometimes if we don't understand that, maybe we might question some things, but I think it's more of a curious way of just not knowing and not understanding. I would say that every coach and every aspect that I have come across in Iraq did what they understood the importance of developing a mental sign or develop. Knowing the importance of that, and sometimes you know it might, they may not necessarily be open to some things, but in general they know the importance of it. So I think, as were continuing to watch,

sport in general, move were becoming more accepting of mental performance. In the end, these ways were watching. This is like growing more as a career field. Now, clearly you ve gotta be rewarding for you to see you when you were working with a player in you, them get focused, you see them more efficient in their performance based on the skills their developing, mentally, to really step that perform it's gotta be rewarding for you yeah. I think once when someone can engage once they engage in understanding of the benefits of sport, psychology and performance psychology and they really commit to it than I definitely see the pay off in the benefits that will if we ve got people listing now that our athletes, whether a golfer a tennis player, a runner If you were gonna, give some one two or three

things to really focus on too really enhance and builder performance. What would you tell them to focus on what I would say? What's the goal rates? I want to understand like what the goal is great. So what are we working towards is having a clear direction of of what we're after is really important right and two, I would say, investing in your own psychology, so just giving some time for self reflection, understanding, and you know what your mind does right so does it get distracted? Does it get critical and does it lose focus just kind of understanding those areas where you want to improve in yourself right and and then just understanding that journey of there going to be

I agree days, there's going to be hard days, but just kind of sticking with that plan and that commitment in that routine. That's really important. I think those are three great things. Everyone. I think it's so important for people to have a goal that they can identify and click it off because just getting better. What does that mean define better? So you know when you click something off. taken your own inventory unknown. How do I get in my own way is such a good what is it I do to get him I away. Am I not present in my thinking about ten other thing when I m working out or doing my sport or whatever or put pressure on myself, live a negative internal but whatever I do to get my own way but really need to sit down and say what is it that I do that I can really improve insides a key. I think will this really have to do that and in theory,

what you're willing to do to get their? This became a real focus of mine. I guess I was twelve years old? I was on the phone all team and we were really good and we had great equipment and great coaches and alive green field and had a game that got reigned out so on Monday the from the salvation army called our co, John said hey, I understand your game reigned out on Saturday. Do you think He could come over and scrimmage you guys today Monday and our coat said yeah sure and this ragtag bunch of kids over and they didn't have football shoes. They didn't have football pants. The kid across from me rolled up his genes to the knees. So they were like football pants and he was wearing loafers. He use masking tape to put the nuts

for on his button up sure that he put on over his shoulder pads none of their helmets matched here. We had all these fancy uniforms. They beat us so bad. It was like a track meet honesty. They were run up down at field. And I got in the car afterwards and looked at- dad and said what hell just happen. And he said well, you just got yes handed to you on a platter boy. I was looking for something a little more in depth than that and he said they were just hungry, and I remember that moment in that car thinking I want but ever they ve got. whatever those kids have inside, if they

do so much with so little. I was envious of those kids. I wanted what they had inside and from that moment on, I was focused on figuring out why people do what they do and don't do what they dont. Do. understanding motivation. I warned you know what made those kids so hungry so motivated it a life changing moment for me and that's why I've been so far just on this and love what you do so much, those kids they so thrilled again. She has to play on grass is, there feel was just so hard and had a manhole cover on the forty arblast. If this terrible Were so excited with what we took for granted, they had such a better attitude, and we did- I learned so much that day and I've

ever forgotten. It has been almost sixty years and I have never forgotten it was such a mental difference between their attitude and ours. So I get it. I told you Meyer. What you do after Daniel Ayman has helped millions of people change their brains and as a product change their lives through Ayman clinic whose best selling books and public television programmes the head trauma is not just. Major trauma of like going through When shield or falling ten feet onto a concrete floor, it can be small, repetitive. Traumas, like your kids heading soccer balls this over and over you do that. A hundred times a week and these things can occur,

late, and it can be any number of things and we think back at the times in our lives, where we found while on the ice and hit our head or yellow we slipped and fell back and banged her head. Just as we hit the ground, these things have an effect and if you check them and see that there was an impact, this can be helped. It can be changed. The truth is if somebody does come in and find out ill wow yeah. My brain is not well.

That's not a static situation, because in many or most situations the brain can get better. The brain can heal the brain can improve by taking proper steps correct by putting the brain in a healing environment. So I did the big nfl study I dunno. If they've ever talked about this, I don't think so. When the nfl was having trouble with the truth about traumatic brain injury in football, I got to see Anthony Davis, the hall of fame running back from. U s c, and he's called the notre dame killer because in nineteen seventy two he scored six touchdowns against the university of notre dame, but he was having trouble with his memory with his temper and then he had periods of confusion

and when I scanned and fifty for his brain clearly was a traumatic brain injury and a look like he was eighty five, but five months later as brain. What remarks we better and then he and I went to the retired players. Association gave a presentation and subsequently I've scanned and traded three hundred and a fellow players high levels of damage so lion about it. Playing football is a brain, damaging sport brain is soft scholars. Hard skull has sharp bony ridges. You cannot have those level of intense over and over impact without damaging the brain, but the excited part of my work with the nfl players. Eighty percent of them get better when I put a minor rehabilitation.

In program, which is so simple, we basically teach them about brain health, multiple vitamin, with high doses of b, six b, twelve and far away cause that helps boost brain function. High dose fish oil and then a brain boost works in six different ways and I published that study the exciting news it still very few people now is. Even if you have been back to your breath, you can make it better and I can prove it and That's what I get so excited. You remember. We did the show with dairy busy. I love gary, and not only did he play football of where he tried to bright people. Stonehenge and all the big spam right, but he had substance abuse problem and they had a

motorcycle accident, and then he had a tumor and his sinus they radiated. So his brain was terrible. but by doing the right things he is now about to show and networks in you know, he's able to work, air before people just sort of think of him as a joke. Even now he's an oscar nominated actor for the body, holly story and its justice message. Over and over again, your brain can be better if you put it in a healing environment and these are, radical things. You're saying be six be twelve. Was folic acid and fish right, yeah in some other nutrients, I'm a fond of gang cow in fast, the title, syrian and any signals

steam and I always think when I use supplements, I use them in combinations because the brain doesn't get sick in one way, and so it's not going to get better in one way, that's why there's never going to be the medicine for alzheimer's disease, because it's not one thing. There's eleven road styles homer's disease wept and get on top of all of right. This seems to me that if people are really worrying if their worrying that their experiencing depression is There are worrying that they're losing touch with reality if their observe

having themselves to be exhibiting what they would consider psychiatric symptom, metalogy of there being a radical their relationships if they're just doing things that are interfering with the pursuit of their healthy goals, so their shining worried like em I starting to melt down here. Am I starting to really be unhealthy, mentally but they don't want to tell anybody their suffering this silently. They don't want, let on for fear of judgment from family or rejection from employment or whatever, I've talked to so many police officers that have said I don't want to go to the employee assistance programme because they say that that's confidential, but

the fact that you even have a file there can cause you to not be promoted or not advance in your career in some way, but if they wish to have their brain studied their brain looked at they could get answers that could save their life and their career and their happiness, and this is what I've been so anxious to talk to you about, because I've had so many men and women. Tell me yeah doktor phil. I hear you about the stigma, but my career is on the line here, I'm in a position where I could be declared an impaired, professional or I've just looked at the culture, and if I do get the help your talking about it will absolutely torpedo my career, and this is why you're saying the end of mental illness increases compassion.

gets rid of judgment, takes away the stigma and it's a completely different paradigm than what we now live with. So at the risk of being politically incorrect, and I trained I'm also a child psychiatrist and ended my child psychiatry, training in hawaii and when many people don't know is that hawaii is an asian culture or two thirds of the population is either chinese or japanese and Asian cultures are shame based cultures and solve someone's having a mental health problem. They dont want bring shame to their families, and so our experience was families,

come ass for help until the children were like florid lay psychotic that they waited until the last possible incident. But at the same time those families will do anything to give their child an advantage, and so changing that discussion from and so illness to brain health leads people to go. Oh with a better brain they're, going to do better in school, with a better brain they're, going to have more friends with a better brain they're going to be hard beer, and so it helps decrease this idea of shame. I shouldn't feel them. why I shouldn't act this way too, in all one of my brains, not firing right and what? I often kids, because we see little kids and old people. It's like you

a great brine. It's just not to write One of like you have a ferrari, and the engines like workin way to heart. So we just need to tone it. So you can be the best and kids love that they, like all make me better, as opposed to fix me, which they just don't want anybody you have a comment in your book- you say since ninety. Ninety nine suicide has increased thirty three percent,

so that is decreasing overall life expectancy and during the same period of time, cancer has decreased. Twenty seven per cent to me. That speaks to the fact that the stigma is there. People are not asking for help when their actual quality of life has eroded to the point that they can endure it any more, but cancer they get help because there's no stigma so one's up, a third, the others down a third and since the pandemic. I think suicide. It is up way more. I've just never seen anything like it and in its because we're working on the wrong paradigm Why are we making such progress in cancer and heart disease?

virtually every other aspect of medicine, but we're not making progress in psychiatrist, and I think it's because the paradigm is wrong. Making diagnoses based on symptoms with no biological data and the end of mental illness is trying to like go. There is another way Do this and we study are outcomes. It ayman clinics, so we ve been doing since two thousand and eleven. If you come to see us, we actually enter you into a formal outcome study and on average patients have four point: two diagnoses their complicated. They have failed three point three providers and medications and at the end of six months, if we treat them, eighty four percent or better no one's got those outcomes that publishes the and its because we get more information

and were decreasing stigma though I love we increase compliance. People want better brands, like with my fellow group that they like being coached, and so they'll do the things knowing that in four months or six months later unlikely to rescan them and go are we do in battle, and I just get so excited about that. I mention too, when we were not on camera about this kid jose who came to see, because of your shall like ten years, you're doing a show on compulsive cheers and he cheated on his wife eight times in four years his wife had a gun. She was. Kill em and is part of the I got to scam. He added damaged brain from football mix. Martial arts had terrible habits and when we

fixed his brain and seven months later, I scam so much better he's. Making better decisions and I love you agree with me but ultimately a person. Success in life is a song All the decisions they ve made. And, as you make better decisions, your wife doesn't want to kill you anymore. Heart sheriff are likely to not have to visit your children on the weekend and he just grab they did two from nurse invested to school. I just saw proud of him with a better rain comes about. life, Jim gray. I made you guys, though, is a twelve tommy award. Winning sports gaster he's a sport story and when I say historian, this is a guy that has made. Is life talk to what we call goats. The greatest of all time, I've got to ask you this question, because you get a different perspective, then probably

anybody else on the planet about this and I've ass, some of them this question, but is there something that you have seen as a common denominator. That makes goats I am what I mean is if you look at it, leads, and you see somebody like Tom Brady or a Michael Jordan, and you look at their reaction time, their speed and the forty there strength on the bench press or whatever. There- may not be that big difference between them and somebody on the practice squad or somebody that didn't make the cut off in your opinion, makes the greatest of all time in their sport is A common denominator that you see cut across these men and women that make them the greatest

They all do about it differently, but I can't see something comment there all have touched perfection from one moment to another. but they all want to hold it and grasp it, and it's like jellyfish and just slipped through their fingers, but when they touch it it's like being an attic. They want to touch it again and again and again, because they know they can scooby bright about that at one point and he said look I'm a realist. I know, perfection is unattainable, but you're a hell of a lot of fun trying and that's what they do Brady has had the perfect quarter. The perfect come back. The perfect game almost a perfect sees them, even though they lost the giant. So he's been there and he's one six times so many people would say after one. That's enough these guys Never have enough because they were more and more in all at the best example, I could really give you doctor. Phil Think about Michael selves for just a moment. Michael philip spent.

the majority of his adult life, Underwater staring at a black line day, in and day out month, then, and want that, year in and year out, for what reason. So he could figure out how to be an eyelash or a fingernail I had of somebody else from them of the world summit he could, when those twenty metals, in those twenty three gold medals. So he was tormented by that. but nobody else, has ever done. It he's the mole decorated ever but think but the mental anguish, and he did a beautiful documentary about this. On hbo within the past six months think about them. anguish. everything else in your life aside, to do that, but why you're doing that? All of us that gun in your life.

ass? They go through your mind, because you're just staring at a black line, now think about that people on the planet can have that discipline. Why can in view of a tiger woods, Michael Phelps, Michael odin mohammed ali tom Brady floyd mayweather. There's just so very few so very few serena williams and- and there, you have it, I mean, so that's why they're so special and that's why they're goats That's a drive that comes from inside. I don't think you can coach it. I mean from a psychological perspective. I dont think that something you can instil in people. It's got to be a hunger comes from Inside- and I think, if you can ever figure out how to that is still that

role model that in some way communicate that in a way that somebody can emulator embrace Jim view, and I could figure out how to bottle that we had put bill gates and shade, but know how you do that, and maybe there's that extra left of talent that extra vision or something but It's got to come down to that, DR. It's got to come down to that where their willing to make the sacrifice and that singular nests of purpose. I just believe that to be true, while there There is a form of immortality that goes into this and if it were it'd, be everybody would do it, but it's not easy and that's why we have so few who we can look at and say there they are, and you know then there's all of these things that come in it's not just hard work and dedication. It's packaging and mentorship and its

no the confluence of events that that's tat all this up, luck is also involved in it in another country, I'm used to say in all the hard work. The more luck I get the lucky I get so you know there's that is well but When you see what these guys go through, I got to go: every summer of the yellowstone national park, and seek brady workout. He goes up there with his private, rayner and a couple of his friend, sometimes some of the receivers that he works with danny and dollar, perhaps wrapper. just julian ottoman? They ve all joined him over the years, not every year, but from time to time. If you see this guy put in- and this is a a week a month before training gap, it altitude right, he's trying to get that perfect. Throw. a bunch of guys. You know some of us two years old, plus and he's out there working that

and he is engaged in that as he will be trying to win the superbowl because has to get the mechanics right and if he leaves I feel that morning, he will not leave until he gets it right, and if that means it's another twenty minutes or another hour, you'll stand with this with his couch Alice, Guerrero, his personal coach and confident, and He won't get it right. Why? I'm sure it's the same exact thing. I know it with tiger woods. You know just think about What that took after All of the surgeries is not major from two thousand and eight to two thousand and nineteen. Yet that's the only way he measures himself to have The next surgery, the back surgery, the knee surgeries scandal the emotional problems that he had to endure the psychological problems, the hitting of the fire hydrant the dui- and come back come back

and do that eleven years later, at the age of forty three, and when you don't need to work another day in your life financially because cause there are different. orange occurrences, their social currency, spiritual currency, there's, psychological currency and there's that achievement currency. I believe they are. even by a different kind of currency than everybody else, because if you're doing it for the money, you're long past it by then and at a great rate plane reminds me of a film that that that Greenspan, who I mentioned earlier, did and everybody listening should go. Watch this film, it's online on youtube. It's called the last african runner story about John stephen inquiry of tanzania in eighteen, sixty eight d It gives an imo rules that I'll give you the thirty. Second readers digest everybody had gone home, the closing ceremonies were over, he was run in them after the rays ended, and there was

even a quarry in the middle of the street still running the broken kneecap finished the race finished the race to an empty stadium. The flame had been dashed, everybody had gone back to their home countries. Okay, and here was Stephen a quarry stands india because it was so if we written by but a vote, the calls from within to go on. so he goes on and so he was asked after the race. In fact, I asked him in nineteen eighty four and butter asked him several times. Why did you finish the race? And he said my country, tanzania, fit to send me five thousand miles. Awaited this race. They didn't send me to start the race they sent me. The to finish that's a driven individual and they say integrity is what you do and nobody's watch it s. What egypt? With of what it was

Jim everybody had gone home, that's for damn sure I just never get that line written by both greenspan. His brother was a great narrator man named David ferrie, a voice calls from within do go on so he goes on. Then the last line- and it is all the john stephen glory of tanzania, will that these guys do they honour themselves, they honour their families. They honour the sport, the honour their country, and they honour humanity when they do this stuff, Thirdly, there is something we should all aspire to. You wrote book about talking the goats and in all humility and candor, you definite, we will be in someone else's book about goats because when it comes to do and what you do as abroad, after you are definitely greatest of all time, at what you do so drives Jim gray. What

if you go on after all, this is I see that I have been able to leave and all of the people, been able to me, I mean it's been so fantastic and it's just been great, and I love meeting people and I love listening to their stories, and I want it, here how they did it, why they did it and try and see. If what I can do in these interviews- can help somebody else in health future generations so that we can have more goats, and so, I'm driven to hear other people stories to learn from them, and I want to be better tomorrow then I was yesterday. I can still live prove I've only done and done, tens of thousands of interviews, I've done one or two of them, what a right! Otherwise, I've stumbled- or I forgot about something or I Didn'T- follow up right or a know. times. You walk away from a showed after filling watch it boy. I should have asked this vital, stumble on a question, we still I'm still trying to get it right

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