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always, is really got an proposal decided to bring our bugger just like you know what our interests have changed yet welcome ourselves into it, spencer hard fight. Can we can we please have a different pastime, Can people evolve and grow pleasing it really in the football? For no reason, fucking love football? No matter this no matter the city. Oh, I don't even have a team. I just love watching it. I love all football: words, I don't do it further. The food and the drinks eyes do another for the love of football and are you more than an f c earn any? that's a great question: karen eyed, the answer is yes. Sat in any way like you, because I feel it the f c is minimal.

real than the other option of extreme, and I, like I, like my public stream. I am, I gonna, see some kids cracking yeah. I prefer, when sat the faster well, no one team is faster than the other and more accurate with their having and catching yeah yeah yeah. That's why I like it, I wanna see to football, is on the field. I was just what that's like what I I want a flag on that every plant, and I want to watch men and their need for kit romantic dances that they add a little violence on just so no one's the wise, and I just want to see lifelong traumatic, Brain injuries really play itself out right there for me, pleasure in entertainments, see that's where we bring kind of the darkness back in to what is not?

It's a very light, airy, fun time sporter, but we're like hey. There's a potential crime on the field happening right now. That's what we do, you're, not fast enough. What else besides football or have you been getting yourself into lately, just mostly football? I really wish. I again I could remember like the last thing. My dad told me about that. I didn't care about about football, that I could really impress you with. No, they have CNN Do you think that you just pulled out of nowhere? I was, I don't see it sorry. I think the nfc is like not not featured con. And or something that is real. Okay, well, color me impressed thanks. That was good. Let's see what did I tell you about when I did a slip and fall know? Who did we talk about? just last show will this'll me were recording liver early yet so this this is evergreen it'll, be so fascinating. What my toenails?

I found the time actually now so I hears did the other morning. I was trying to have like a power morning, so I got up and went swimming, I'm on it and I'm on eminent morning right and I'm like go get em, I gotta get em football kind of mortal right. What the coach would me go, get it go, get it in that poor for half an hour, getting out of the pool realise! There's like I had ordered as I ran out of coffee size like well, then I guess I get to order. Starbucks delivered I, yes you to its necessity. I need it first of all and then I want it and use me or on the road. When I go to starbucks, I will order like four to five things. He added time it's my favorite this time only ordered to care which was a big coffee in them. My doubled homeowner than I like one pump it com is very quickly, like surprisingly, quickly ran, like oh shoot, aside, to get out the pool

instead of standing there and taking my time to dry off, I kind of like ray and the door to get my drink in the second. My foot that fucking trial inside my house. It was a slip and fall of Such hilarious, dramatic heights, like it, was like a hurricane. Where my leg went out from under me and then the other you know it was like it was of the ever seen dry queens. Do death drops. Well, I just fall the ground. Yes, yes, it was one of those with those slip up. You know a liquid slip height, so my first anyway didn't nothing the only damage they came out of it. using this friendly attention and pity, and thank you for that. Is it her, of course, my leg right, haunch that I on my thigh was like how that was like height. I went

and came back down. I've been there. My left leg, did Ben behind me a little bit the problems which that was actually find the problem was, is that I know it. I know it toenail, indirect, coming allowances, larry holding my sweating I'd bright, apologize, making it take too long. Essentially, the way my big toe hit the ground, the toenail. No, no capes dis disengage go forward ugly ikey. If europe's squeamish, yeah and also georgia to you not want to hear of it. Now I want to highlight grass things. I would look at your toenail right now. I'm weird like that. You can it basically bent it's nail in the bad guy, it came up after only about a little and then turned to the left of swearing. sway with so I your tone alley. Vogue turn why does my tone

held up a compact and acted out putting on on powder at me as if to say this that with it my and he gave me shade drew slogan. It hurt so that it was not my first one of the high mare ones were then it slowly comes over you shaken up when I have a big fall like that, it's like when you suddenly like at how I really am I heard yes. Did you still get your coffee? Oh hell, yes, m united state in place for like five minutes to make sure yeah like There was no spine. All you know Life serious in injury of like you now you have to take bony above further Zere labour whenever, realize that the only thing was my but my one side of my hurt and then that toenail was like something bad happened, and I can't look at it now. God I've got my coffee collected myself then slowly looked down at it and it was just like turned if it's a slightly, if you like it, got side swiped

yeah a jar to the left and it's horrible. Are you ok? Oh my god. Yes! Well then, here's the thing I wasn't going to go to the emergency room because everybody would go ahead of me all day, yeah and might the next doctor's appointment was like for ten days ahead. So then I was just like well, I guess we'll just see what happens cause. I have a wonky toenail for a couple of days cause it might fall off. Oh god, you know. What's weird is in the last hour. This is like the accident prone show because in the last hour, hit myself in the face area twice what with work and I'm gonna have a black eye well, I was putting on a hare, clamp like ciampi type, hair clip, and I had a coconut well like everywhere, and it slipped right here, as I was about to put it on my face and fuckin swapped me right in the face. So now I'm gonna have a big bruise.

It like a leg, let it out of my fingers as I was opening it as like. I'm like a dynamic, clip thing and shot onto your cheek bolivia. Luckily it didn't hit my eye and now hurt, really bad and I think it is going to bruise and then I was plugging in my equipment here and I like pulled a core that has a metal thing at the end to quickly and it came. around and just whip me in my big white teeth like all so fly like right in my fucking teeth. I was like, oh god, oh, but I think I'm thinking, okay, good, that hurts. That makes me think of when I first was it when I first got blossom and she jumped up right at me so are like skulls, cracked, oh and something hit. My seats where I was like, who that's a specific bad feeling yeah. It was a very like did that just crack my teeth yang for sure did that crack my skull up past my fear, I love when it's like, hey guys, have

green content, as is coming out early this, where europe and my brain scale, which is pretty great- and I think it's also like indicative of ass- being able have done this by gas for almost seven fucking years because enabled you dislike, fell on the time. Oh yes, the tragedy here because you know what at this point we know what a good story is any good story. Isn't I watched the sing on tv we're just trying to fill gaps. fill our shows with what might be relevant others, but we know, what's relevant to us, is especially me being flown in this house like I fell down- and I was just like- I might need this- stay here for a while, just in case I don't fucking now, and there is no who sits and at I kind of crawled over carpet. You know just get a little, under my, but exactly like I like this at all god, but I have to say this and I am sorry to say it, but because I'm a believer not one,

His park comes out, but when we're recording it we're on the verge of mercury going into retrograde. Oh our way- and that's when you have to be careful of you- have to be careful as major accidents happen. I was very much careful just now when I hit myself those two times, and so it would have been completely my fault if something happened yeah. So it's good to know that cause I need. I definitely need to pay attention yeah. There was a very great female stand up, comic, and now I can't remember which one it was. It wasn't susie essman, but it was eighties era. I'm almost positive. It was lisbon sets bit stand up which go. You know you're getting middle aged when you get it into the shower and you go all you can think as careful now about guide yeah. no one there, but anyone no really any age. Let's all be korea, because the terrible in the shower we ve taught you anything. It's slow!

those are a real mess and football is life. You know us and you know these are the things we say all the time you know it should just get into it yeah. We probably should only. I just want to say: ok, I got this lip stain and what is it? Perry? Para p. I p r a an answer: just real good ngo that you stick it on and it stays on all day long, I'm doing it. That's a man. I wear it next summer play football swiftly now it labour gauze rights. Now I play for europe now you're playing you, don't just watch, but that's how good lie escalates. So, let's do some exactly right. Highlights real, quick challis! Oh sorry, skinner stop yoga. Did you want me to open this box that

over I'm so glad you, but now, my guy, this is fucking. Weird, ok, ok, gimme one! Second, let me go grab. I am. I think this is this a shrink I'll just prefaced us by saying just sent me a box, and it says karen- don't open, that's all it says on it, and I got it last tuesday, which was a we basically a week ago, since the last episode that we recorded- and it's like a little surprise. So, just in case you are confused. I've a ground box at my house and apparently georgia, has won at her house to sort. I think this is gonna be an audio. Unboxing just went upstairs to grab this thing that I bought for us and I sent to you- and I said, do not open on the box and it's a theme that we ve done before, but its eerily fitting. For today's episode,

I mean I did not do this on purpose map. My mind's, a little blown open, the box of that it is another bag of rocks, candy corn flavors in We ve done thanksgiving dine a couple different climate in what is it street food? this one s tail j, late labour is. We ve got about football? That's crazy! Hotdog, hamburger, popcorn, fruit punch, vanilla ice cream. This is gonna, be discussing I'm so site emitter of hazelnuts, open that I can. I bert hailing word, I have to give a shot out through the murderer. You know who told me about it: hold on one side and who can I opened her eyes smell it already smell hamburger, hot dog? Oh, my god, you have to get the kurds, and now he I, which ones which I just got a handful of what I think is entirely

popcorn, which, based on me ellie valley, yeah, jelly beans, is a night, a woman named Jenny Marie j b. I e s. Eighty seven on twitter, the one who told me about this. It was like you guys have to Travis sat. Ok, I mean, I think we need to go right into the hut I, but it doesn't look like they have a is there going to be a code unless its left left to right. I made an error here. Ok, so that mean route funds should be pink and mostly pay with the orange yeah, then they're, okay, so mostly vanilla, ice cream is mostly white. What's driving allies from cause, I have a lot of those okay, okay. I know that popcorn is that your mind is like popcorn, let's just close,

isn't pick one and put one in her mouth and see what not, but I really did not like daddy- is like trying to eat these right now, it's very weird cause here I go. I just want to eat a second popcorn then pick one. A different color got ready. Go! Oh no!. yeah hamburger. Oh my vanilla, ice cream, which is what I was expecting last pick pick one with orange and it, oh god, oh that's fucking. It was like a hamburger, patty ill, really young, and he one of these, I'm sorry the brock's people are geniuses. This is so hilarious because it's on level with a giant skeleton was just like

Yes, you have a market for these people a hotdog one, and I really I might vomit okay. Let me see if I need a new one. Oh and you got, I got fruit punch now, that's better or at least ugh ugh. I think that's supposed to be hot dog. It's weird yeah, I'm! I fear hamburger hamburger It's the little life changing really bad. I get kind of changed my life. Maybe I don't like football anymore after eating that how dare you know? Oh, my god, this is just work. This is like it's a fun trek and stuff, but fuck yeah. First, the toenail. Now this I'm sweating, I'm sweating so much for alright, we did at the toenail yeah, I don't

Stop trust you picked. I promise I'll, stop I'll, send them to you, but we want to try them anymore. No! No! I just mean these bet these flavour. Specifically these. Now, yes, absolutely no! For a dime, I have the worst taste in my mouth. It's a midi meet candy. minors. I have a combination, hot dog, vanilla, ice cream thing that yeah this just some fucking a kid verifying at a birthday party. Oh my god, vomit It's sorry, that's all! I know it's one rough look. This is what I guess the they harry potter, botz beans, thing kind. It did at first, but those trick ones yeah. I just really love the variation on the theme that brock's has done. I think it's brilliant the turkey, no one I'm telling you guys get that bring us here. Next thanksgiving dinner come up soon on us Jesus, it's That's right around locatelli hague, hey guys that guys his right around the corner, hey guys, promo code, murder,

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we clearly and I'd free by joining wondering plus this weekend in pretty much the least obscure story you ever heard of, but ok to a really great documentary about this person and this story and its amiss The mystery thing that we all now, but maybe I don't know that much about because it so huge and pop culture that we can adopt pay attention to the details, but today For you, I'm going to talk about the mysterious death of Marilyn Monroe. Wow. I now re young, my not interesting, of course, its mysterious and gives one a bad feeling when they think about it really does, and I'm not gonna help help with that at all, so The document I watched over the weekend was the twenty twenty two netflix documentary, the mist.

Ray of Marilyn Monroe, the unheard tapes which is based on the book by anthony summers. It's a nineteen, eighty, five biography called goddess, and so I was kind of curious about this documentary. I was like. I know everything about marilyn morale. I don't need to see anything new, but it was actually really beautifully done and told about her life and what she was really like. Via these recordings and these interviews that summers did, it was the In our view, take playing at an actor reacting it and in the time like in the era, so I looked legitimate. It was very cool. Lot of people are dead, obviously like a historic, reenacted, I exactly, and there was really well done so some other sources used in today's episode. Our vanity, fair article by julie, miller, a heavily used article by Robert well coasts and ted raw ledge.

and also another by shall be grad and new york times article by robert linsey, a time magazine article by Stephanie, Zachary, rick, also declassified fbi record sue. We used hay and many the I and many more sources to check those out in the show notes. Let us start on the morning of august fifth, nineteen sixty two when the news breaks across the that thirty sexual marilyn monroe, one of the greatest scream legends of all time, has suddenly died of a drug overdose. The world is shocked and grief of melons passing is felt through. The world. The official story is that her housekeeper yunus Marie had found Marilyn unresponsive in her bed at her, The low in the hollywood suburb of brett would around three. I am on august fifth. Yunus says that she had called maryland psychiatrists, doktor, ralph green sin, who had been treating maryland the past few years for depression and the pair had become very close with their therapeutic relationship and

I actually he there's interviews with him and his family in this documentary that are really interesting, like they become a kind of like she kind of joins their family and they become close. So he arrives. He says at three forty, a m he has to break into marilyn's. Through a window because the door in her door's, locked and she's ambitious, not responding to anyone knocking on the door than two minutes later. He says he opens the bedroom door and tells Yunus we ve lost her. So then, at three fifty I am her doktor doktor ingeborg arrives and pronounces Marilyn dad in the bedroom. Our fifteen was of medication, some of which are empty and Marilyn's been dead for six to eight hours. They say the doctors don't call the police for another thirty five minutes and her ingeborg later explains that it's because he was so shocked that maranon was dead. and they had discussed whether or not to call the police, which they eventually do so that

there's. A weird gap which is part of the mystery is like. Why did they wait too long to call the police. marilyn's body is then taken to the l, a county, coroners mortuary for an autopsy, and there are mixed reports about what happens to the bottles, the medication some say they all remain in the house, the marilyn's manager as malsen claims. She threw them away, I'm sure a bunch of took them right. That's like a fucking souvenir and everyone knows it like every cop in the in the room that day yeah would have taken. While I would that's possible for sure, or or like people were trying to cover for her. No right look sad just to get to clear the area totally like a pr thing for sure by the report say: eight bottles are centre coroners office, including an empty bottle, labelled namby tall, which was only filled. The data or in another labelled chloral hydrate. So both those sedatives are used to treat

armenia, which she has its like. No secret. She has insomnia, chloral hydrate is also effective treating anxiety associated with withdraw from alcohol opiates and barbecue its, and is also known that she had a problem with all of these. But if you take that medication, the coral hydrate along with nebula tall, its fatal can veto the toxicology report shows that, along with chloral hydrate Marilyn has a lethal dose of numbers hall in her system. The thirteen percent nebula while reading indicate she must have ingested the drugs within about a minute so that huge amount she took within a minute. Yet the deputy medical examiner, doktor thomas gucci, doesn't fine any arbitrate or capsule residue in maryland stomach. So she took all those drugs. She didn't take them like a handful of pills, cause there's! No!

souls in her stomach if Marilyn swallows enough mebby top hills to give the thirteen percent reading in her liver she would have died before all the residue dissolve said. There's that she didn't take a handful of this pill. Essentially, ok, melons large intestine is also discoloured, which is a possible indication of an end and there's no sign of any injection sites on her body. So that's kind of out of the question, but there is a small unexplained. Bruce, are: let's talk a little bit about marilyn's life, of course, she's world famous, publicly she's portrayed as the epitome a sophisticated woman and feminine she's glamorous this golden age of hollywood. This icon she's an aspiration of figure beloved by everyone, men and women, but underneath balance professionals ass. She is also extremely emotionally and and lonely, and she goes through these bouts of depression, she's a norma, jean Mortensen on june, first nineteen, twenty six and allay and she's

their christian norma, James baker and those two surnames are of her mothers ex husbands. So neither of those are her father, Mary never actually knows her father and that fact plagues her throughout her life. Her mother gladys suffers from chronic schizophrenia and in eighteen, thirty, four she's in and out of psychiatric hospitals and is unable to care for her daughter and so merry. it moves around from numerous foster homes? She goes into the los angeles orphans home society for two years. She has no positive, stable parental role models and then, during this time, she's sexually abused by a lodger at one of her carers. So she has a really tragic, sad life. She calls herself a waif and just kind of there's no stability in her life whatsoever. I did not know that about her mother,

The fact that she was slick essentially a foster child yeah, and I had no idea in allay. I didn't know that part. I thought she was from the fuckin midwest or something like that in our weight yeah. It's really sad and they talk about that and the documentary is while there is interviews of her as well in the document areas hopping about how she just never felt like she had a stable home and she thought she had a mother. She wasn't an orphan in her mind because her mom, here, but she was unable to care for her yeah. So in june nineteen forty two sixteen year old, Norma jean marries her neighbours sign twenty one year old. Dorothy and then, maryland, gets noticed by a photographer at her factory job and her modeling frere begins. But she wanted to be an actress. Her whole life. She would sit in the movie. Theater didn't care. What movie it was, would just watch it and dream about being a good actor but her marriage, her marriage, from which she starts at sixteen years old,

ends and nineteen forty six has now at twenty years old, marilyn signs with twentieth century fox and the contract says she can't be married, like the anger, and they talk about the exploitation of these girls back then you know these. These actresses is one of the actresses and how she can't be married because she has to be saleable essentially available to the higher up like it. Yes, that simple, also yeah that just provides national level of protection and outside it as of some right, what are you doing? This is inappropriate downright I not comfortable with this year. So I'm sorry, then this could have been this first husband could have kind of bin the love of her life.

And she had to pick like you- did choose between her career and her. Who knows you I've, yeah and sheet the thing about this documentary. The talks about is that she was just always chasing love, especially with older men, like father figure type. She was always chasing dodges with man, but with the public like wanting to be loved and adored so badly, because she had none of that. Her child had ended as, like, so amazing that these circumstances she grew up. Then she was still able become I mean you know she had this like dumb blonde bombshell image that they wanted her to have, but she was actually fucking. Not. She was very, very smart. Well and that kind of a bringing is difficult and traumatic as it might be, also absolutely blood instantly provides the fuel to get you to where you wanna go, that's their total. I mean the paradox of those difficult areas, especially when your kid then suddenly

something gets planted inside. You in your like will now I'm just gonna: do it yeah yeah, there's nothing holding me back toto yeah. She was definitely about ass. So after some bit parts she moves some studios and now she's renamed Marilyn monroe and her film career really kicks off in nineteen fifty, but Marilyn's plagued by self doubt. She appears to struggle with constant feelings of professional and personal inadequacy. She has debilitating stage fright so she's, often late to set because of that and can't remember her lines and she wants to do take after take. So the schedule gets all fucked up because her, but, of course, also exploited and abused by hollywood studio executives who are interested in her talent. She also has a strong work ethic and she's intelligent, but of course that's not what they're interested in. However, she is determined to be a success and nineteen fifty for wanting to gain a sense of professionalism. Marilyn starts her own production. Company,

This gives her more control over her career and fox agrees to pay her a higher salary. Yet she continues to chase approval on love from powerful authority figures in a nineteen. Fifty four, then twenty seven year old man freeze, retired baseball, star thirty, nine year old, Joe dementia gap, so she's, twenty seven he's benign and retired, but the marriage is rocky joe- is physically and emotionally abusive towards her and nine months later, the couple divorces wow, that's a fast one, yeah, from nineteen fifty five maryland trains at the actor studio new york. She liked just really wants to be taken seriously. She learns the method acting technique or students have to use their own personal experiences to develop their acting skills and so ass. She explores that she revisits her painful history of childhood trauma and attachment issues, and she you,

to become a better actress which has just incredible so she's, really really focused on becoming a credible, serious, dramatic actor and nineteen. Fifty six now nine year old, Marilyn marries forty zero playwright, arthur miller is like the most famous playwright in the world at the time, She wants a family and they didn't really really happy together, but during the marriage, very beginning maryland finds notes that arthur Miller has written, saying, she's, not much improvement over his ex wife, and he calls her quote disappointment and a quote horror fine. You spend knows after a party that he wrote to himself saying that shit. Can you fucker sorry. Why do you have to fucking write that down? Dude would just took me quick scribble. It do not forget, yeah well play, and also that I don't know What would hurt your feelings worse to read something like that or just to find a love letter like it feel

so much worse. It's so personal and shitty. Like hey. It's not like going. It's, not you it's! I just met this other person say I it's you you're a disappointment, yeah you're, not what I thought you would be because, like you grows and sadly maryland, two miscarriages and the marriage ends in the late nineteenth. Sixty should really really wanted to start a family, and it didn't work out can must find you that it was modern times she would go to jail for having carriages. Just a quick reminder of where we are in america. Alexa going point now, that's a great point by this time she also reconnects with someone he had met earlier. A forty three year old, senator named john F Kennedy. She reconnect with him just before he's elected president she had known him via the rat pack in an ancient fifties and they grow closer in early nineteen sixty one

thirty four year old marilyn goes into the pain, whitney psychiatric clinic in new york for four days for her insomnia, which I'm sure was form a lot more than that, but she's treated humanely and it traumatized her further she's, isolated and patted cell and has forced baths, which I think means forced coldbath. They used to do like ice bath, challenges and shit, yeah and and she. Finally, after four days joe imagine, her ex husband comes around and he's able to get her out, but instead of this being kept private hordes of media, found out and there waiting outside the psychiatric hospital and in this documentary there, sir, many videos of hers, is leaving the psychiatric word, leaving anywhere things. King hounded, and she put on this pretty face and says I feel wonderful, everything's gray, but it just looks like a nightmare

So by this time, Marilyn had met. J f k is little brother, thirty six year old, Robert Kennedy who had been applied to attorney general in early nineties. Due to Marilyn had a brief affair with j f k and some people say wishes to one night stand and then Bobby comes along, whose like kind of takes care of J of case business and tries and says like hey. This is over the stock. Gonna happen happen, but then they kind of offer each other and they start hooking up for what I can tell, What I think from this documentary is that marilyn and Bobby Kennedy were really the real item going on here. Non J f k, huh yeah, so they all start hanging out at actor. Peter Lawford house he's married to a kennedy sister and it's kind of dislike playground where everyone goes to like hook up and have affairs and have their discreet fun or not discreet, fun.

discreet from in know, paparazzi, and so it seems like she goes there a lot to hang out with Bobby Kennedy. I mean here's the thing about those old school blue blood east coast, rich people which the kennedys were classic with there's something I like marilyn, whose always like on the hunt for love and like I'm, not good enough. Yeah dues, like that with leg, the bad of an eye. You are dedicated for life. The air, because they're all. They have to use be lightly nice to you, and you can ignore you in your, like he's number one and there so powerful. That whole family was like insane that, unlike I think she really wanted. be known as as smart and she wanted to people. I think she was smart and part of like meringue, arthur miller was around that of like look, I'm marrying an intelligent person and by you know that means I am too. I think she wanted the candidates to think and know that how intelligent she wise and said

and they're like yeah, that's a great point or whatever yeah she's, smitten, yeah, probably yeah The this marilyn maryland is regularly taking amphetamines and she's mixing opiates ember vigilance with alcohol to help her sleep on the set of her last picture. Something's gotta give she's often under the influence of prescribed drugs she so unreliable, that she's fired and then re again she just not in a great place someone's gotta, give. What's that yeah, it's supposed to be great. I've never seen it. I just brought up her page. Just look at all that tons of movies she's been an yeah. So crazy. Did you ever see some like it hot she's out darling. She's amazing, in that movie here she's a great actress, she's, really great, compelling actress that later. every thing she was doing you're just like this is great what this is so funny, yet you can take your eyes on her YAP. So during let's go back to the investor,

of her death during the initial investigation when she died, police talk to those close to her, including tat, Peter Lawford, rat pack guy. a week before Marilyn dies, he said she's, feeling suicidal drinking to access and taking lots of sleeping pills yunus murray, the housekeeper, and I think she was way more than a housekeeper. I think she was almost like a guardian seem to me. It seems that way privately says that hours before Marilyn dies, Bobby Kennedy had visited her to break off their affair, so the paper

claim that maryland later speaks to Peter Lawford on the phone. Please try to interview him, but dont pursue inquiries with him. Twenty years later he says the first he hears about marilyn's death is when his badge or him at one thirty in the morning, but don't forget yunus, said publicly that public story was that at three I am is when she found maryland unresponsive, oh and Bobby Kennedy being in town. That day is news to everyone to is like not unknown thing so yeah the corner, It's a panel of mental health professionals to conduct a psychological autopsy of marilyn. Her behavior in the days leading up to her death is noted as unstable. The panel notes she previously tries to take her own life via a sedative overdose and quote had often expressed wishes to give up to withdraw and even to die. Her death is determined to be probable suicide caused by acute barbiturate poisoning and that one of the missing

is is: did you take her own life on purpose or was it acts of em? All that's was one of those enduring mysteries, but also there is the whole conspiracy of did the candies have her killed? Did someone else have killed? You know what really happened, but others who are close to maryland, don't reporters being suicidal at all leading up to her death. They say: she's planning to travel, she's focused on our work and, of course, no suicide. Note ever found this group, including Joe dementia, who arranges Marilyn's funeral suspects Marilyn's been murdered due to her involvement with the kennedys, and they start questioning the suicide. Finding one very early on that. Ok, that's interesting to know. I thought it would have been a later kind of national enquire type of thing. Oh now, it was like an immediate new story. Is it on purpose or as suicide yeah? They is not to be not like. It works this way, but innocent in my first dumb thought is

she has so much live for and she can have any man she wants. She's, literally the embodiment of lake o left the peak of femininity and perfection yeah, but she already has this these feelings of inadequacy and that she's never going to be loved wanted needed. I think it's a classic lack of having a parental or, if you know a father figure you're just constantly needing this thing. This is the only personal ever love me if they don't want me and it looks like Bobby I did try to end things done, nay, yeah come on. I now, but it's it's complicated, though it's crazy, why he was ending like it got, really really messy the argument which they can't have right now sure it s makes me think of my listening to my two young. You know, like pseudo nephews, talking cause

one, a girl had broken up with him and the other just goes get another one. I like that. Third and another one at night. You are so let's go to nineteen eighty two, when this like public spending she and rumours about marilyn's death is like so rampant that the less angles county board of supervisors ass, the days office, to reinvest the gate. Doktor angle burg, who was the doktor at the time the one of the sea and there was the doktor and the psychiatrist and the housekeeper tells the g office. He had only proscribed number. You talk to marilyn, not the other. Drugs she'd also died from coral hydrate, so he had prescribed that to her that day and didn't know, she was on chloral hydrate, which the do

as you know, is possibly fatal. So it's estimated that from maryland have died by suicide. She would have had to take her out twenty five to forty namby tall pills and it's not clear who had prescribed for chloral hydrate or how she had so many different medications: Jamie I mean, like medications, are easy to get right. Your friend has some your leg for sure, like this works for anxiety and you try it Nonetheless, it I'm not your yeah yeah, it's exactly, but also yet movie stars people bend over backwards to give them things here that they will be grateful for a re. Don't mix medications, you guys very dangerous. Yes, it is doctor noguchi tells the days office that when he later ass for tissues, samples from Marilyn's autopsy to be tested used, hold, they ve been destroyed. So it's not known like who gave her why and why she had a prescription for this and that another weird thing is that the first police officer on the scenes

urgent, jack clemens tells investigators that when he arrives, Yunus Murray, the housekeeper is running the washing machine, but no one. ass, what she's washing our? Why the nineteen eighty two investigation finds that merrily dies either by suicide or an accidental overdose. So they are doubling down on that and video Hence the reason there is no barbecues residue in maryland. Stomach is because the drugs had time to be absorbed into her blood and liver, so they think she died way earlier than when it was called in he. So this is when this reporter, who made the documentary anthony summer. comes in he hears about all this weird stuff, going on he does his own deep dive. He does six hundred and fifty recorded interviews with a thousand people just trying to get information like in the eighties. You know so enough time had passed, he's hoping people will talk about what happened

So one thing is that in the early nineteen, sixteen a private investigator name fred, o tash, whose working for Jimmy, coffea head of the teamsters union, who of course has mob connections, notably with mafia boss, SAM g and kana. He says that Jimmy Hoffa and sam she and connor hate Bobby Kennedy, because the government is crap im down on organized crime, so in nineteen sixty one Jimmy gets this private investigator to tap marilyn's house. So he goes into her house and taps her phone. It happened like this is so fucking crazy to me that you just break into someone's house back then tap their telephone line, so he does it at maryland's house, and he also does it at peter lawford pat guys malibu house, where everyone hangs out. Oh wow, so he's helps their phone and their house and basically gets recordings of Bobby Kennedy and marilyn monroe doing it like that. He gets everything when he gets her talking about politics, she's, a total left

just she's kind of spilling the beans on stuff. That Bobby Kennedy is telling her you know, and that jfk is telling her as a friend it like beds in bed. And she's a total actors and she's. Also friends with people who are known communists, so it certainly possible that the? U s government hearing all of this information mike it's start to get worried that she's gonna have she's gonna, be spreading these secrets that our secrets, ok as equal weight, secret secrets, cigarettes that our secrets, secrets, ok, topsecret, some people would say extra shanks secret. It's true strength, secrets. Okay, the recordings also capture a allegedly marilyn and Bobby Kennedy having a fight at her house the afternoon right before she dies. Oh so it's just so hat like she dies during all this, and it just so happens that there's recordings of all of it because of these illegal activities, Crazy is now wild. Where are those recordings

from now on, netflix, unfortunately now and so that day Bobby does call off the affair and tells her not to contact him or the president again, because the fbi is worried about maryland, fuckin spilling their secrets and its and there like Bobby. You can't see her anymore, so she's jet she's, who knows how do they were, but she's clearly devastated about this after Bobby leaves her house. She calls the white house to talk to the president and then so Bobby goes to the the malady house and tells Peter he is worried about what maryland might do so he's aware that she might do something to herself peter offered third wife, stepper gould his in this documentary claims that years after Marilyn's tat, her husband than has been Peter reveals. Marilyn is incredibly distressed about Bobby kali things off Peter calls. Merrill

that day, who says she's quote, had it with twelve being passed around like a piece of meat and before ending the call maryland says just do me a favor tell the president. I tried to get him. Tell him good bye. For me, I think my purpose has been served I thought because maryland later that night- and she tells him to leave her alone- that night- that, with that she's found dead, Marilyn's publicist arthur Jacobs, is at a hollywood bowl concert and he receives word that Marilyn his died, so his wife, whose there with him corroborates that he found out at ten thirty that night So those are three, I am thing is not fuckin true, he leaves the with ball apparently gets to Marilyn's house of eleven o clock and they start making phone calls. They multiple wit, cooperate that when maryland is found that evening she's lying on our side and she's alive but unconscious,

The ambulance tries to take her to the hospital, but she dies on the way, and so, instead of taking her to the hospital to be declared dead, the thought is that they turn around. Take her back to her house put her in her bed and the reason it takes so long to quote, you know, find her and that she dies later is so that Bobby Kennedy can get out of town before she found. So he has no connection to what's going on. That's kind of what this documentary is like purporting is that they waited so he can keep, and there is a helicopter log from that night, taking him across the bay to San Francisco. I mean that two or three I am in the morning. The rich and the powerful live completely different live than any of us are even familiarize totally totally

didn't getting to leave an area in a helicopter just cause, it wouldn't look great for you, yeah just getting air lifted out of the same at him. We gotta get you out of here cause this was really bad cause. This is this horrible thing has happened. John minor, a former deputy dossier, is come down and said that Marilyn's access to top secret information, the her affair, The Kennedy is put the administration and uncompromising position and that she is known to be a bit loose lips on the phone regarding her conversations with the brothers about matters of national security, so he surmises that the government goes into damage control and had her killed because of it, and so he suggests there's a conspiracy behind maryland stomach, hence going missing at the autopsy and the claim that there is no evidence she ingested the nebula. Also. Maybe someone put the nebula hall. There is evidence that she had had an anima

oh yeah, so maybe it was given her given to her after she had been passed out from the other, drag and given to her via anima, but there's no evidence of that at all, and you know if you're going to do the whole second outcomes. Razor thing, the marston. The most likely thing is that she was really upset about this relationship ending took pills whether or not it was on purpose and and passed away because of it. It just an interesting thing to think of. If somebody takes a lot of pills and during saw drank some once you on the phone, because they witness things they weren't supposed to witness. Rights have been made. Prick to information that they shouldn't have I just kind of it just like well what information could it be that they would need to go? Kill somebody in like secretly don't forget at the time there's a lot of really sensitive stuff going out going on in us politics: it's the height of the cold,

or with communist russia, Berlin's ex husband, Arthur Miller identified as the communist, and he was on the blacklist by nineteen sixty two, the threat of the country by fidel castro's cuba and the russians has a: u s: government really on fucking edge, so they are also like losing in it's possible that that's what was going on and that's why it's a totally out of the room, a possibility that she was talking too much. You know me and, like I shudder, a part of that. It's not totally out of the realm of possibility that J, F K was shot by his own government or by the mafia or by someone other than the loan gunman right, I think, is what keeps the story going right. It's very it's very eve, feasible!

if I may use that word yeah that that's that that could take place also, but this theory just popped in my head, it could have been in the beginning. They were talking about sensitive stuff in front of her because they thought she was not smart. She starts putting two and two together and circling back of like wait. A second does that mean that that uh duh, you know I dunno and but base and a lot of information. She was a fucking leftist and it looks like a pacifist, and so she could have heard all the stuff they thought she was too stupid to understand, actually got upset by it and started telling people like her ex husband, arthur Miller, who was a communist all this crazy information who would Finally, do something about that information, whether maybe she wasn't gonna act on it, but she was telling people she shouldn't have been vs. That make sense says a really good point before the red scared. There was life

lots of casual communists in hollywood, because that used to be like saying it it. It turned into that the thing that it was where ray mccarthy stuff and all that, but before that it was kind of like It meant you are artsy in our aim and I sign of Deborah had not been minded, and I don t know: let's lake defeat the man or whatever, and then I became that thing of like you are the reason this country is at risk, tolerably, elderly, so taken altogether. The evidence does indicate that there is some sort of cover up around Marilyn's death in the same way that people suggested a cover up with both Kennedy brothers, eventual shoe and that's just so fucking wild there's only one surviving photo at least publicly of a marilyn monroe with the Kennedy brothers and it's after that happy birthday song. She sings them, because all the other photos were confiscated. As well,

I mean any audio of them talking to each other from that and that wiretap. So there's none of that that, as far as we know, exists in the public, but in her career, which spanned the late nineteen. Forty two, the early ninetys sixties, Marilyn Monroe, made over forty movies and became one of them enduringly famous and beloved movie stars of all time, her tragic death only added to her status as a legend, and you can't help but wonder what other accomplishments the smart, hardworking woman would have achieved. Had she not died that night, however, she died and then I have a quote from her. They thought an end on. We should all start to live before we get to old fear is stupid, and so our regrets, oh has yeah I like that quote Marilyn, and that is the mysterious staff of Marilyn monroe. While that fascinating. You know it only I'd. Only thought of this, though, when you just said it everyone,

just be entertain every conspiracy, very india. You know that's, which is what I enjoy when you just said. Yes, both of the kenyan brothers were murdered. They were assassinated for whoever was behind it. They were murdered two. So there's a very strong possibility that the person they killed Marilyn also also killed them. Why not? Why not? And if we're going to do that, I think that the I think the most likely called May I hated you? Could they? I know how much you adore them. You have up the now the playing cards and everything a girl goes, the mafia. he's just trying really quick to think of something I actually like those good yeah, the mafia, the mafia, but why? Why? Because I think, if the mafia killed Marilyn Monroe, it was to get back at Bobby Kennedy or to get him to lay off the mafia as like. I think that she would have been killed

as a but it doesn't make any sense cause. Maybe maybe he broke up with her that night to try to save her. Let's do now Here's the thing now! You know I've jokingly, defend them off your back actually going to do. They don't kill women. Children, the mafias. You keep it. It's mafia business. That's true! Maybe its manner monroe and unless party candidate, because he was really going after Angie behalf aims going after jumping off at the time they were fuck and pest yeah but they're, not emotional they're, not air. They think it through well great job that was clear. That was a fun jaunts, yeah re yeah, I'm poles, Kate, winkler, dawson and were thrilled to announce our brand new podcast on exactly right, buried bones. As a journalist, I've spent the last twenty five years, writing about true crime and, as a retired gold case, investigator I've worked on some of america's most complicated cases and solve them on buried bones.

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of antonio saner, so the primary source for today's episode are an article. Abc news, australia by Emily Olsson and Sarah ferguson princess the princess. So our decision a youtube video by a place called f p news, where they did a whole presentation on this insane. Events and a new times article by Manuela, Andrey yoni, from twenty twenty one and the rest of the sources will be listed in the shower notes. This heroin hell begins the northern brazilian state of para its january. Twenty, it's twenty twenty one. So the very recent thirty six, pilot Antonio Siena has just taken, from a tiny runway and nearly fifty year old, single engine cessna to ten l and as you

sadly gains altitude. He can see the amazon rainforest unfolding beneath him and all around him and his breathtaking, as that is his mission. That day is all business and it's the kind of work tat Antonio normally says no to he's delivering food supplies and a hundred and sixty gallons of deep. fuel to an illegal mining operation deep in the amazon rainforest. So this is something that's common that Antonio normally would not in any way you do everything to not be affiliated with these so called wildcat miners minors. He knows that They themselves can be incredibly dangerous to deal with and what they do is dangerous. reliving thing in the area around the mines, these they clear and strip the land of minerals and they dump toxic chemicals in

near by waterways and poison water sources. For the locals bets its mid pandemic, its everything is like it's difficult. times Antonio desperately needs work above board flying jobs are v. Hard to come by and antonio still financially reeling after he was forced to close the restaurant that he put his heart and soul into an open just a year before. So he was one of those wildly unlucky people they got his stuff together, opened a restaurant and then the pandemic head nightmare labour. So He takes the work he's offered and at the time when many industries are suffering, gold mining in Brazil is booming, so these delivery, gigs or the most consistent money away. Able to him and the money is good after about a ten our day, Antonio, can walk away with a guaranteed minimum of three them

brazilian re all which is about five hundred ninety american dollar, seven maize, amazing, paycheck, yeah yeah and it's hard money the job has its risks. He have this piloting, small old airplane filled with bare of highly flammable fuel and cargo over vast, isolated swaths of rain forest, so he's rolling the dice for sure, but antonios, a good night sperience pilot is logged over twenty four hundred hours of flight time, he's experienced all kinds of lesson: ideal flying situations, a profile on him by ABC Australia, says that he has quote navigated dust in chad, downpours in brazil and that in twenty fifteen he performed a successful urgency landing with twenty four passengers on board following the engine failure, so he knows what he's doing here so

He figures, Antonio figures, compared to all that this short flight is just gonna, be a walk in the park. So as soon as he reaches a flying altitude of about three thousand feet he's now situated well above the rainfall First, he sees all signs of human life and development for our far in his view, mirror do they have rear hers, yeah, that is: that, though, that may be less so fucking oranges, that's a great now, probably now I bet they down. I will ever they don't need em, there's so unjustly. adjusting ethics and develops about an ethical. It's a hypothetical rearview mirror get used to it. You can always cell and I go off the page and start just talking because the bullshit meter go off the job. Ok, so now he's just flying over an endless sea of green bay, Sally suddenly about halfway through his flight and

neo, feels a distinct shift. The steady work wanes engine has suddenly dropped into areas silence. He looks at the planes gauges any seas all on zero. Now this means there's no we'll flowing into the aircraft, and he knows this because this is the exact same thing that put him in twenty fifteen when he made his last emergency landing. So he knows he has basically has five minutes to come up with a plan to figure out how to land this plain in the rain forest. If Antonio hopes to survive each step of this plan, must the executed perfectly with the cessna now gliding thousands of feet in the air, Antonio scans, for something that might provide a soft landing so he's just trying to figure out what trees will be a success, shouldn't. You Sonny is ass. Yeah everything beneath him looks all the same. It's just green and then finally, he sees up ahead a spot of palms. So he's like. Ok that that's gonna be

a little bit better, so he had stored them as he reaches for the radio to send out his distress signal and then he braces for impact. So we'll just talk about real quick about the amazon rainforest which we ve known about its destruction since the eighties- or at least I have that. Yes, it's been a big deal for long because the essentially the rain forest keeps this world alive. right and the more we destroy it. The less carbon dioxide can come out of the air and the more greenhouse gases, and and basically climate change will happen right. The more we destroy it, so it's a obviously a very important thing to protect the on rain forest is the largest tropical rainforest in the world's spans nine from countries in south america, it's almost as big as the entire continental united states. Well, No. I didn't know that now I don't mean more than half of it

Total area is in brazil alone, so it's that's the majority and, of course, countless wildlife and plant species live there, some of which don't exist anywhere else on earth. Also, there's thirty million people that live there from three hundred and fifty different ethnic groups, nearly ten percent of whom indigenous so given its sheer size, there's very large portions of the rain forests that are totally isolated have been always and remain that way, and some of that the intentional there's partially amazon rain, as that are legally protected from human activity because its damage, I was saying basically leads to rising sea levels and melting glaciers. Environment say that over the last forty years because of illegal logging in farming and area roughly the size of California has and obliterated in the brazilian amazon, while deforestation rates hit six year high in brazil, just justice year chooses so it's

it's an issue that I thought kind of got addressed in Ninety is one idea started learning about. You know all that those layers and should also according to research done the new york times between twenty ten and twenty twenty two criminal mining operations have absolutely ballooned an his mines, which are often connected to criminal networks, grew by three hundred per cent on rainforest lands that are legally protected and five hundred per cent on indigenous rainforest lands and that's having devastating effects when the lands cleared. The people are placed an the toxic chemicals that are used in the mining, one of which is mercury ends. in local waterways and poisoning entire water supplies said the lack of strong response by law enforcement in Brazil, coupled with the recent weakening of

fire. Mental protections have allowed these illegal minds to flourish. So that's kind of the current situation in the amazon rainforest goldstone, talk about Antonia the pilot, a little man when he first his family. He wanted to be a pilot. Nobody was surprised because he wasn't always had been very adventurous, the boy he never sat. Still he was always exploring on his bicycle are climbing up trees, which frustrated to his very protective older Her marianna, especially when his neck for adventure left him with a broken arm after falling often neighbours, roofs out. So of course, the older sister Marianna is in charge and then she turns around and her brothers she looks across and is like you've gotta be kidding me. I bet she got in trouble for it. So I was just gonna say it's like I'm, I'm going down for this she's, not protective she's, just the one who gets in trouble for him getting fucked up. That's why she has to protect the oldest sister's cool, the burden of the older sister. That's right may

never know it shares a man regardless, We are always wanted to help her brother achieve his dreams and, along with their younger brother, to jago Antonio, siblings, so tracts of land to help him pay for his pipe in classes, though it was like a beer, the family pitched in and basically helped him get that done. Marianna and put him up at her house. While he was studying for that exam. She was, of course, worried about it, though, because she remembers when Antonio was going to flight school, he was telling about this lesson that they all had to learn in survival, skills and You didn't like the idea that he would someday and be in a position or he would need to know these survival skills and yang, and unfortunately, that day is today as said he has never cutting back to one antonio looks for some palm tree,

his gets on the radio calls out the district's sexual and then braces for impact. What a nightmare nice, segue, nice, segue, yeah right and now we're back so the plane has crashed in a dark area of forest, packed with vines plants and trees, he's witches every area of the ravine for its old, dark and green and pack man, there's nothing Donald welders, their world, huge, there's been done cows grazing on stolen land? Anyway? Will we'll talk about that thing the guest here today and will have a man in a sector to talk about what a problem it great in neo mangled cessna is now on the jungle floor and so is the hundreds the gallons of diesel cargo that has ushered in the crash, so the entire place smells like gas inside the wreckage antonios pinned to his and his drenched and gasoline but he's

using we never lost consciousness, he's awake and as far as he can tell he's not injured. In my firm this crap he feels. Ok, there's no me your pain, he's, not confuse, you doesn't have a concussion Ali can see. his body or a couple small cuts he's amazed. He just felt three thousand feet through the air and somehow he's unharmed. It's nothing short of a miracle, not even toenail out of place, not even a tunnel shipped. It like shifted to the left in an unholy manner like mine is okay. So then the smell of gasoline him and he realizes he is in a very bad position, so he wrenches himself out of his seat. He goes through the cabin debris he finds his backpack. He basically collection, as he has to kick out the windshield the front when shield of the plane jumped sides out onto the nose jumps down and just start running for,

life fine, as he's running away now play an explosion. Action movie, I know, and so all alone in the forest he turns around looks and realises. This is the second time he's cheated death in a matter of moments in a major weapon yeah raised yeah, so we looked for a place to sit down and catch his breath and then he goes through his backpack and he takes stock of the supplies that are in his backpack. So here's what he has. he's got four cans of soda he's, got three bottles of water and he has got twelve bread rolls, which I would love to know. What kind me too? What's your dream, bunch of roles to have if you're trapped in the amazon rain hawaiian sweet we rose. Oh I'm immediately. Ok, I would either I wait them all right, then the big one shall be.

probably there so area light. I was thinking twelve biscuits would be amazing. Like you, wanna denser, using denser yeah, yup, and when I drink my water off a leaf, then you want something: that's just going to expand in your stomach ray okay, but now I really want hawaiian sweet rolls: okay. Well, let's make a list okay to order. Postmates can feel free to order postmates at any time. During my story, okay, he's also got so he's got that for the food he's also got some tools, he has two pocket knives, a flashlight. He has lighters, he has rope and he has trash bags. That's right, clean up. Alright, he has a change of clothes. Consider it he's, got a wristwatch and he's got a totally charge cell phone.

so the Larry is that's nice, thereby restoring pull, there's no service, so you can play solitary for his own sanity, which is what I would do immediately. Circling solitaire the second I as a european. I will finish the bread rules in place, ology amendment and then I would have no food and no battery and edwin start of mainly about. Why won't anyone help us, including ourselves? Okay, so he can be. Well, you see sunlight through the trees, there's no roads. Obviously, there's no phones. There's no people anywhere near. I am it's just him. His fully try, to phone with no service and his roles in the vast are jungle. So he thinks back to his survival skills class and he knows that while he waits to be rescued, he needs to build shelter for when it invariably rains and he

so needs to start a fire to keep warm. So he starts gathering palm Franz and limbs to look for a place to set up camp, so his first choice to set up that area. Its short lived when a pack of territorial spiderman he's so harsh his efforts. Huh they come in and literally tear his shelter down as he's trying to build it. Now I thought at first I thought you were runs. His spite tara, spiders, and I now is a real issue and then, when you said spider monkeys, I was like others adorable now its precious. Although when I read that's the first time, I got really sad I was Antonio and just be like the monkeys are against me. That's what a terrible feeling or you'd want them to work yeah. You want to think that you're snow way and that, like all the creatures in the rain forest like trying to help you yeah, they haven't you monkeys some palm france yeah. Let's work is a t very you guys. A fire hid their like. No, you

have to get out of our area and our areas this whole area of her hair, you re okay, so despite his exam san antonio can barely sleep that first night, of course he's rain forests. Nothing you! Because there are territorial spiders. You just can't either. I don't want to think about think about guys know, don't think about it, but he is a welcome all night long with scary jungle sounds. He doesn't know how close any of them are or how far away or what is making the noise, and he can feel bugs crawling all over his body and of course he has to constantly the way the spider monkeys, because they will not leave them. I love them to settle his nerves. He ties a pocket knife to a stick and he sleeps with that laid across his chest, which actually would make you feel better like yeah like a spear yeah and he's made himself spear that he would later say an enormous fear of the dark and its shadows took hold of me. But after a while,

I understood the mechanism of fear and instead of power lies me. I used it as an engine to keep going mechanism affair. I like that. I, like it to its a parallel thought to Marilyn monroe, squab yeah, cause fear is a useful tool if you use it as a tour, instead of letting it take hold. It's a really good point, fears there for a reason. Yes, it gets you going late. You have reason to be afraid, so good, take the information and then do something with it yeah, and this is what as so. Meanwhile, the news of the downed plane is reaching brazilian public? These kinds of crashes happen frequently and the grim reality is that most pilots are rarely found. Yeah cause it's difficult, of course, to actually survive a plane crash in the rain. Forests are unlikely and then really hard for the rescue. People too

But you re once you ve gone down, because basically you go into the lake the canopy and that's it. It's not like. It leaves a big hole right rise, it so dense and their. Basically, it takes a miracle to get rescued and rain forest. But don't forget, he's already evaded deaths twice seller. He might be like a real house. Cat out there, he might have seven more to go so when this story hits social media. Are you know that it immediately resonates with brazilian people, partly because of the time and place in Brazil as being ravaged by cover nineteen by january, twenty twenty one over too. thousand brazilians will have died from chronic viral, so the story of a pilots possible rain forest rescue actually offers, everybody a little bit a hope and a break in the just the onslaught of bad news that they're getting all the time

the possibility of america's out there now for people to focus on in its definitely a great distraction share in quarantine, essentially so around eight thirty that night, the knight of the crown brazilian authorities call tioga and marianna antonios, brother and sister, their shocked, they had no idea, He was flying again, let alone flying for illegal minors and they No, these sorts of rescue missions tend to have a happy endings, but they also know their brother and how courageous? He is They believe he will do anything to survive. Marianna tells Jago quote: let's do whatever we have to do. We have to get to him and then gr goes like. I have a dinner on wednesday, so maybe I'll meet you up there at the end, oh no just kidding, he was right there. He is right her with him and here's the best part, because it in twenty twenty one, Marianna tweeted about the whole thing, then

little wow you're. So people were truly like on the edge of their seats. So after his first sleepless and the rain forest antonio gets up and decides that he's gonna go back to the crash, see if he can scavenge anything from after the explosion. But of course, there's not much left. That's useful. The planes charred so's anything that was left inside it. But that's one antonio notice is there still a gap in the tree line where his plane crashed through the palms, and he knows that this might stand out to any rescue plan that's flying overhead and he figures it's the best shot at being spotted, so he sets up camp by the wreckage and them spider monkeys are like fine, we'll go over there too. We don't care. Others like following irrelevant and packing weapon em. I think they're there are constant. Yes, when dream works makes this movie, there will be a castle, spiderman, absolutely

antonio spends the daylight hours gathering supplies to keep himself safe and warm throughout the night, and it's not easy collecting branches and palm leaves for his shelter, but he's exhausted, of course, and he's trying to conserve whatever food he has left and whatever energy has he has left. But it's all going pretty fast, then he discovers a nearby stream, and so his lucky streak Kenya is has now he has something close by to keep on while hydrated he doesn't have to just wait for it to rain, so he stays at the crash sight for the next couple of days watching them the palm trees little by little, he watches as the gap closes as the palms shift back to their original Ah now, wow yeah, he knows he's running out of time- is not dark stars, so crazy. So in the outside world, search for Antonio, is fully on as marin. The researcher who wrote it is fully on merit and abolish. Antonios friends have posted

Ten thousand dollar re all reward which is the equivalent of two thousand dollars in american dollars and care, and not just for anyone, has any information of oh how to help the rescue efforts and in the small city of santa ram. Sorry about if the pronunciation santa ram the brazilian air force, sets up a base for their search and rescue flights. So when rainfall is too heavy, they can't take off Local people volunteer their time and their vehicles too, like help and searched which is no small sacrifice because driving through them Hostile terrain in the jungle basically destroys mode of their tyres. Oh wow and the volunteers never ask for replacement or reimbursement. They just want to help get this last pilot com, which is pretty beautiful, and pretty here sacrificed so now, tat and marianna arrive at the air force base to help with the search

after a very long journey that involves quote a flight, a boat, rough roads and more than seven hours of travel sheds. Yet and then it turns out, all that time they arrive on antonios birthday, Marianna, of course, as post on social media and the brazilian press and public hang on. Everyone the hunt for Antonio now becomes a topic of national interest, so Antonio is has now been stranded for five days in the rain forest he's low on food he's forced to begin scavenging, he's surrounded by unfamiliar vegetation, and he knows he has to be very, very careful because after five days in the forest he's really week, so if he just goes and eats the first thing, he find Hannah happens to be poisonous or in any way toxic. He might not recover. He can't just get sick and throw up like yeah. He knows that he's it's too risky

So he does something so ingenious. He starts watching the evil. Little or monkeys, and he watches to see what they're doing up until now. Then a pain in the ass. Suddenly there a godsend because he watches as they pull these rights. pink shells from the surrounding trees and tear them open, eat the fruit inside ass, an Antonio, doesn't know this. This is a jungle. Fruit called brow, brow fran, he's never seen it before, but effect, first, the monkeys are eating at tat, so he gave it to him for that and he starts eating it and as he is scavenging for it, he hears a noise above their gets close and closer and he's afraid that he's delirious and exhausted freezes first, and but he knows it's unmistakable, especially to a pilot. It's the sound of an airplane, oh my god, that is going to be a spider monkey jumping on him. This is where the

airplane spider comes in to Antonio drops everything all of his precious jungle fruits. He drops on around any runs full speed back to the crash site to stand in, remains of the little window, openings in the sky. Basically by this point, the palms of almost entirely recover to their original position, but there still tiny gap up there, so he jumped up and down waves screams. Does everything he can and then he watches the airplane just pass over the little window and the canopy, and it doesn't see him and just as clearly as he heard that plane coming, he listened to it, go ouch so that plane was sent by the brazilian airforce They routinely give five days for a search and rescue mission in the amazon and then pass out point. They figure the problem Be no one left to rescue. That's how impossible it is for a regular

day, lean old human to survive in the jungle, yeah wow, and also its not cheap, to fly, search and rescue missions in the air, but on this server they do but a little bit. Marianna and targets are there. They beg them to continue searching and so that the mission gets exe ended another day and then another, but still there's no sign of Antonio or the his cessna. Then a rescue plain spot something white that seems out of place on the forest floor and they think it could be an airplane wing. So the air force despatches a helicopter to go. for a closer look, but when the helicopters zoom in on the object they radio back, it's just a white rapid in the amazon river they were mistaken. So assuming Antonio was probably killed in either the crash or in trying to survive in the uncle the air force ends there search efforts after eight days.

But marianna and chicago are staying put jago says quote: we always said we just had to find some it didn't matter if he was alive or dead? We just couldn't live with the doubt so they're, basically just waiting for some sort of formation of anything gerardo. Not it's, just not in that weird in between stage so for days, Antonio Here's the rescue planes overhead. He tries his best to find new gaps in the tree line region. snails and does all we can to make himself visible. He is never spotted after a few. days. Antonio stops hearing the planes altogether and he gives up hope that he'll be rescued by air, but he starts to consider he could find help on foot it so hard to find me this way. So maybe, if I start moving, I can find somebody who's looking for me. Yeah, so he starts hiking. So he's now been in the rainforest. Over a week, his phone now dead. He still has its wristwatch, and so basically he just makes up

daily routine, which we know in all these survival stories. That is really key. You start making up a routine of how you're gonna go through your days, and you have, term and long term goals- and you start it if your focuses on surviving. So this is antonio, he spends the early morning hours hiking any orients himself using the position of the sun because breathing around him. It's just so thick and dense. He sometimes has to cut through vines and trees. Just to get a glimpse of light and see where he is like, where, where the sun is in the sky and so basic, once he does, that for a little while he starts to, he can figure out what Erection he's going so he starts heading east and because he's pretty sure that's where the river is and so he's that's his goal if he finds the river, he can walk along it and that will event We bring him to be civilization rashly, which is the truth, and we ve heard this in a bunch of survival story. Here you get

do the biggest body of water and walk along it, and there will be people there at some point totally and that but walk along the river isn't as easy breezy as it sounds because, of course it's all swampy water next to the river. So, yes to walk through swamps, basically these dodging tree limbs- and he also has to keep an eye four alligators who like to sit real, still look like logs now and wait for you right next to the river, oh no yeah, This is what he does every day until noon and then from noon till three, he looks for a place to build a campsite and when he does bill, This campsite. He always goes inland a little bit, ideally somewhere, elevated because he knows from survival, training that predators like jaguars and anacondas. This is what It's now. A jaguar could happen by this take out low lying areas near water when they're hunting so screen knows he has to be

they from not a little bit and ideally up high, and then he gathers palm france and tree benches and makes a shelter. So he is protection from the rain. So then, for the rest of the day he sleeps arrests. As best I can and then in the morning hours of the next day, he repeats this routine from the top and he does that again, the next day and the next day now an entire month has passed sentence. Slain! I rushed a man, some one in the amazon rainforest. Oh my. What does the evening and what does he only he's? Haiti is little one that spider monkey four areas. yeah. Ok. So so at this point, but it's it's a good point you bring up, he is toad. The weak and exhausted. His body has been pushed to the brink. His main source of food are those pink shelled fruits threes than on the look out for, although a like one day, he found three bird eggs and eight those, but that was like

barely and protein to get him going out. You know that's one of my greatest fears to be stuck somewhere have to eat. Robert eggs spoke the bay worse day. I think now just be like you can have it its heroin that so awful, but with all the walking the physical activity that he's doing it He's he's always starving it's nothing. He has ever enough by day thirty, five in the jungle, Antonio hasn't it for three whole days. He thinks this body's giving out. He starts to reckon with the horrifying fact that, despite all of his perseverance, his courage, his luck and his strength that he probably isn't going to survive make it out of the rain forest alive. Then he hears a new sound and I like to think that these things happen right back to back right when you like I'm too weak, I can't go eyes like what's this noise and what it was, it wasn't. Spooky jungle,

and it was not an airplane. He listened closely and realizes it's a chainsaw, which means there's people somewhere near by oh, my god, you're. But who knows where I write and who knows who because, as we already said, there's a lot of people doing a legal shit out there that they're not supposed to be doing she unjust, run up on a chance, you're funny guy. Where chains are ya, leather face from town chance. I'm out here just now. That's the newest version of texas change. Massacre is killing people in the amazon rainforest who are trying to survive, yeah they're just trying to, and then that guy with this terrible mask okay, so that this sounds very far away and daylight is fading and Antonio knows he can't risk getting turned around and the rain forest at night and getting lost he's so weak. He figures that, basically, if he got lost at this point, it would kill him go he settled.

And for the evening any praise that he'll hear that same chain saw again in the morning this boy alert he does yea its survival story and antonio wakes up early in the morning, and he follows the same routine. He orients himself towards us. And he walked for the river. But now he follows the river and the sound of the chain saw yea as it gets closer and closer antonio see something breaking up: the dense forest landscape, it's a white tarp and beyond the tarp he can make out the distinct shape of a human being fuck yeah, yeah humans, Antonio, is dream he's delirious and he's on death store, stop marin, the illiterate and he's losing his vision and most of his body is cramping up, but seeing another person for the four I'm in over a month gives him this jolt of adrenalin adrenaline

and send him walking right through the swamp water across the river and over to where he sees the tarp. Well, Sir was close, our soaking, wet and hanging off of his body, and he cautiously approaches the man whose near the top he doesn't want spook. and he doesn't want to threaten him yeah when the man finally seize him. He's visibly startled at the sight of this dirty gaunt man, who seems to just have materialised out of the jungle, but but he isn't met with still or violence. Instead, the man asked him how he can help him in it and you see a large bucket, a brazilian nutshells sitting, but the man and realizes that she is a brazil, not forger, who that's out their harvesting, and that means he's not a threat.

yeah, and many realises this means he saved. So this man gives him chestnuts and then goes to find it. Leader of his forging group has whose name is maria jorge dos santos tavares? She has five decades of experience. collecting knots in the amazon to forage and sell back I'll, just like Antonia maria and her crew, came to the jungle to make a living, but their work is sustainable. and doesn't harm the forest, and it's also been a very Orton revenue stream from Maria she lost her husband during the pandemic, and so her whole, only as grieving than they realize. That's a whole their income that they have lost. They have to get back out. There are so few, he's never that far into the rain forest is because they knew they had to make their hall that year, their harvest had to be way bigger, wow, so that they could make more money because they lost their husband and father, so

just more fate that served antonio because they normally would not have been that deepen as wild YAP summary of fines Antonio change, a close, gives him hot milk and crackers which she eats and tiny bites, and then she gives a multiple spoonful of salt, brilliant ass, any electoral rights. Yet while he rests maria radios, her daughter, Miriam who lives in the city and has access to a phone and shins Her daughter to reach out to Antonio siblings, to tell them still alive. When Miriam gets in touch with anti and marianna? They can't believe it literally at this point. it's been over a month since there others in lean went down and of course they on him to be alive, but they last hope that he would be coming back safely and there really is this is a hoax sure, some sort of a scam, so Miriam puts their call on speaker phone and then

gets her mother, Maria, radio and Miriam mediate. The conversation basically then I made a note: Miriam has to do everything so first she asks her mother, give antonios full name and birthday, but that doesn't ashley convince the siblings, so juggle asked for something: that's decidedly un bull, which is the name of antonios dog and then the radio they hear a soft they're here there brother say gone, show, dogs name their overcome with joy and leave disbelieved jago. Actually throws his phone down on the ground and then goes out into the town square and just start shouting. marianne is actually speechless, she's having a really hard time, accepting that its real has Just so unbelievably I mean the

yeah, the the you know most rescuers expect people to survive at the most five days. I- and this is now thirty- eight days later, shit is so crazy. So soon a police helicopter arrives at the forgers camp to bring in your home, Maria, send them off and then returned to the forest to continue her work can't mess around ass. You still gotta bring in unharmed at it giving human beings doesn't make any money? Where Antonio lands in santa rain. He sees his brother and sister waiting for him at the base, along with a crowd of reporters and just well wishers. Meanwhile, that are just thrilled he's back. He runs to his siblings and holds them tight, saying through his tears. I did this U. I survived for you So in tony us sailors, incredible story of survival turn them into a national hero in Brazil, where people or definitely a need story, with a happy ending and when all was

and done antonio walked said, ten miles over thirty six days in the jungle and he lost an astonishing fifty five pound holy shit, uh huh, performed by Don It later determined that Antonio experienced muscle loss and the level of someone running a marathon every other day, my god, to hard. He was working in that survived that rain forest and honey His journey reignited the conversation around illegal mining in the brazilian amazon with Antonio himself vowing, never work for wild cat minors again because of his renewed appreciation for the rain forest. Saying quote: a lot of people said: I beat the forest, but I just walked past it and she supported me. She gave me water and food. She is the sustenance of the chestnut trees. Who saved me to be found. A family of not pickers who don't harm the forest in any way. It's beautiful. It was magical. For me,

and that is the incredible rainforest survival story of Antonio, Dana yeah. Do that While I can't believe you survive thirty, eight freakin days, he just kept walking, just I'm doing guys. You're always gonna end up somewhere else, so just keep walking high ground high ground. Now for alligator yeah watch the spider monkeys, I have always told you that every capacities- and you remind me to watch this fighter monkeys and I appreciate you, for it- get down and now because those the old jack wires or beaten by the pirates you I say to me every season when this

Billy dance are losing an. I am heartbroken over to the to the beautiful lip tents. That's right. So this of fora stragglers thanks felicity you guys. We. We appreciate you as always you are I ask going to amazon rainforest, where, were you gonna say especial angel? here are angel investor, you're you're, our secret and in our inner Brazilian not happening are appreciates how much for that specific thing. Thank you and we yes thanks for buying are not solve these errors. Guys are you ready for some football? the new china do end immediately and just saying the world over. You are done that of all the things that you thought we're gonna andrew. It's the

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