Michigan AG charges ‘false electors’ over efforts to overturn 2020 election
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Under abiden administration by America, you expect this. If you noticed recently, president trumped up in the
old and was actually surpassing present bide for reelection. So what do they do now weapon eyes government to go out
their number one opponent it
time and time again at the president, bears responsibility for wednesdays attack on congress by mob rioters.
You should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. Make no mistake, those who are responsible for wednesdays chaos,
we'll be brought to justice. What do they do now weapon eyes government to go up
their number one opponent, the president bears responsibility for wednesdays attack. Those who are responsible
four wednesdays chaos will be brought to justice. Well,
You wonder who will be brought to justice and the republican party for dragging the republican party
to its lowest point ever republican party that now, because
Kevin Mccarthy and others like him, now
defend a man. Former president,
stall, nuclear secrets from the federal government
who stole military secrets from the federal government
who stole top secret class?
I, by plans from the federal government, too
invade iraq,
speaker who is
perfectly fine. Now, with donald trump
sitting back after
launching a riots to overcome.
The federal government,
who said that my gosh said so terrible that I would say something like that kevin
Aren't must think that that's the
Innovation federal know now make this not the weapon. Is the federal government and as mccarthy thank our Kevin mccarthy's own words, and you will remember too, when Kevin Mccarthy
I on the phone on January, the sex- and he called overdone trump years ago- is now saying weapon icing, weaponizing weaponizing government. It was
when we currently on January six, in the middle donald trump riots, which is
art but refused to stop whose Kevin Mccarthy
call the white house screaming telling him to call them off
to call the rioters off and done
from said: oh it's, it's aunt he and Kevin. My car.
screamed help screamed and help each other
brazil told other members about this call. He talked about this call for quite some time
You know exactly who they are. Very your people call them off and donald trump refused. So what happened
Kevin Mccarthy, says you're gonna be brought to justice, but instead he does
it's to attack the people there actually are.
trying to bring to justice a man,
whose stolen nuclear secrets
for the united states government man
stolen military secrets
federal government want return them and
because this is how sick and corrupt the rope
lookin party in Washington d c is now Kevin Mccarthy
Finding the very man,
no, he said was response.
support for these roy at once. You ve heard was house vigour, Kevin Mccarthy, then, and now, when it comes to dull trump and the january sixth insurrection at the capitol we're going
new reporting this morning on new potential new indictment. The former present
to also ahead the.
Why has real life consequences for transit borders in
again with more than a dozen people now facing charges for trying to
returned the twenty twenty like having they lie, and this is a false electors, climbed, Jonathan or mere, where
claiming that their false. You know that they are
actual electors and and and making
now to it and their shock that they actually going to be brought to justice, but
they lied about donald trump,
that state they lied about playing being alike
is that they can go to to congress. I mean this entire false electors game MIKE
It was shocking when we heard about it but again,
It just shows in america the will
some justice may turned slowly, but they turn fine and they're going after all of these people
who tried to rob americans of
which is most precious to this.
Country, and that is our own democracy.
at these assaults on democracy are not be.
Let stand it goes to show the long arm of the law. It's not just me
focusing on those who storm the capital. On january six, the events of the last twenty four hours make that clear.
trumps seemingly about to face charges himself for trying to
fear what that election for inspiring what happened on J or six, and now this
states these false electors who try to two to undo the will of the people to put forth their candidate, their candidate who lost and yet try to cheapest
them to keep him in office in this is michigan. There are plenty of other states
for one wonders if charges could come to some of these are former republic in state officials, others
just everyday citizens, but everyday citizens who bought the lie and push
like the analyses consequences. Why
and again you look at others
It's gonna sit said. Donald trump was desperate to get people in other states.
to put themselves up to commit persians.
it they were the actual electors when they were not
and in so doing, to annul thomas. What even more people and legal jeopardy again, you think about all the people right now,
working class americans middle class americans that went
washington on january, the six, because their president told them that the election
was stolen. He was lying, of course, any new.
But he was lying, but he did
anyway, because you wanted to stay in power at all, costs of those people
now in jail.
The question is: are we land that
I'll billionaires the virus
on seven fifty seven jets that have gone
courses all over the world. Are we going to allow them to actually push other people
did you do the most unspeakable axe to the cops
I got through to overturn the federal government trash united states, capital of people's house epicenter of freedom across the globe and led him continue to go about their merry like
man's above the law? Now, no
and it is about time you I'll drop is
look out for what he
on january. The sex, just like Kevin Mccarthy, said he should on JANET
the seventh. Just like me
the graham said he should just like
he hayley said he should just like all of these republicans.
Said he should before they lost their courage,
We are also following the latest on the american soldier who still on costs,
This morning, in north korea to trying to ball to cross the border, the latest on
and israel's president is in washington this war,
after meeting with president Biden yesterday at the white house. He might
take a trip down to mar a lago before heading home to recover some of his country's ancient artifacts,
explain how they reported lay ended up at trumps country
Jonathan, only remember that that nazi collector and in raiders is illogical. Art ass. He go
still a night donald trump like life imitates art.
so the israelis come over. They have some jewish
facts, they place
in the white house, from still some
So these tells military secrets. Just
these sales.
Nuclear seekers.
takes in the Mari more illegal any
Give him back here. It's not like Donald trappers.
any history at all, hang on to things he shouldn't have and bring them to his palm beach resort. This does feel like it's the maybe this is the plot for that new indiana jones sequel, that's in the theaters right now. Indeed, the backstory here is israeli officials for a ceremony at the white house schedule for two thousand and nineteen brought over a number of of ancient artifacts sacred candles, some of them hundreds of years old. They were at the white house
who never actually displayed because they were
I am concerned that they may have come from the west bank, but they were kept at the. Why asked the pandemic hits they got boxed up?
Actually we're supposed to be returned to the israeli government. They weren't they end up.
Our logo, somehow its unclear, how the weaken, hazarded good guess, I suppose now
this is the number of seats israeli officials have petitioned trumps team have tried to go to morrow. I want to get them back and have been reversed
It's gotta. Try has hung onto these ancient artifacts. Just added to the list. Put it on
smith docket. Next,
literally is unbelievable, and yet it is they want to stop the trump team.
Americans to believe that he doesn't take stuff that,
his. They want americans to believe that the people at the capital, carrying tron flags and worrying trumpets had nothing to do with trump
as to why they were there and in a wasted here, and why
It's almost ludicrous what's happening, although it appears the wheels of justice are
the attorney for him again. I want to underline again working class,
kids middle class in their eyes followed donald trump there sitting in jail net with their lives. Their lives
saturday shattered because Donald trump destroyed because of donald trump and he's still,
wandering around the world and his seven. Fifty seven prevention artifacts also wasn't feeling what actual artifacts from Israel former age that george w bush white house and state department, at least jordan, former chairman of the republican national committee, Michael stale and former? U s attorney and Emma suddenly
a legal, analyse, Joyce vans and
rational investigations or border for the wash em past. Jackie
many is with us this morning great to have you all on board with us, let's typewriter,
to the new developments in the store that broke. While we were on the air. Yesterday morning, two sources confirm to NBC news that former president Donald trump received a letter.
special counsel, jack smith this week, informing him that he is the target.
federal investigation into efforts to overturn the legitimate results of these twenty twenty election. Those efforts and clear
but are not limited to the january. Sixteen
How come the united states capital, although it
I latter does not definitively mean a person will be charged in most cases. It is a precursor to an indictment
Joyce Vance, tell us why this is so significant? Well, it's particularly significant in this case,
its corrected in a normal situation. When prosecutors send out a target letter, it means that they anticipate to pay that thereabout to charge that individual,
in a high profile matter like this, you can be certain that Jack Psmith thoroughly considered what evidence he had
his charging decisions were going to look like before he issued this letter this guy
and he used to almost a moral certainty that jack smith will charge donald trump
we'll see next will be. The typical process were lawyers.
We'll try to engage. I think its extraordinarily unlikely that will permit trumped to testify.
Part front of the grand jury. If there's any way to restrain him from doing that, but the lawyers will want to have a conversation with prospects
It is that justice and perhaps
want to appeal their decision to indict to merit garland, that's what the next week or so will look like that
I suspect, will see an indictment so
Nor is any more details you can provide, given what we know- and we know that its very limited, but in terms of what the charges might be pertaining to specifically and where
may all play out there.
a little bit of reporting about what was in the target letter. But we haven't seen that letter itself and even if we have the operate
Finally, the sea. It expect the details to be pretty sparse prosecutors to
they will say we are considering indicting you on charges involving and then they will list a couple of topics here. The reporting is that the charges may include some form of a conspiracy,
that, there may be charges involving violation of rights and obstruction of
asked us,
The reality is that, under the federal principles of prosecution, prosecutors are supposed to
enlarge the most serious, readily provable crimes, and here there's a lot of hunting. Jack smith will have to be strategic about bringing charges.
Leaves he can get in front of a jury without
delay.
Tell us Jackie. What do you expect even the target letter in? What is your reporting? Tell you about the story? He had to say
we actually have yet to confirm. What exactly was in that target letter know, there's a lot floating around out there about some of the more specific
icc charges and statutes that are listed. We do know, according to to our reporting, my with my colleagues, perry, stein, Josh Rossi and spencer, sue that there are multiple charges listed but again
The exact of what those span are still a bit murky. We do know that
one of them that is most likely included the conspiracy to defraud is, is a charge that has been widely discussed it something in twenty two
to that. A federal judge said that John eastman and and former president donald trump were likely guilty of committing. But again the rest of these are still tbd.
as for you know, to pay back off of what
Joyce just said. Essentially this this target letter indicate to us that an indictment could be coming very soon. It doesn't mean that's guaranteed, but if we look at the morrow logo indictment last time around, there were roughly I'd said: ten
on way too early. I apologize John
making. That error was actually twenty days between when the target letter was delivered to president former president trumps lawyers and when he actually received that indictment. So we are a sort of looking at that time frame, but its clear that jack smith is picking up the pace here we have been told that his investigators are still actively interviewing other witnesses. Their knee deep in this investigation, still according to those witnesses in some of the worst representing them, and that first smith, to to rule this out at this time, is up
unusual and suggests maybe he's trying to get ahead of some other potential indictments coming. The last question that we are asking around about is: who else has received a target letter who else
be receiving a target letter, since this is obviously an enormously fraud in there
irrigation, and there were several other key players involved with terms efforts to overturn the results of the twenty twenty election.
by Michael still, you and I both have run for office, both been elected,
as republicans politicians, we been surrounded by republican politicians, maybe they're not all saints, may
maybe they weren't all saints. Maybe there were a lot of centers there, but you know, I must say looking at Kevin
dorothy now and looking at him after january, the six
king at a guy who then was saying the Donald trump was responsible for
cops, getting the hell beaten out of them responsible for the chaos of january, the six responsible for rights and attempted to overthrow the united states federal government responsible for the trashing of the united states, capital for anna
he's going in and smearing ex excrement
the united states capital for trying to stop the counting of life.
Draw votes, that's income.
Fourthly, now coming out and saying
that its injustice departments, fault
said after january, the six, these people, Donald trump, these
people must be brought to justice. Now that the justice department,
as somebody who is trying to bring them to justice, they are actually
hacking
law enforcement. I guess
we both served but about. I must
I never met anybody like tat. I really
Where did I mean every really got into the bottom? The barrel, where it so bad that you have somebody
who knows and who admitted on the house floor. Donald trump was responsible
for those riots who is responsible for trying to overthrow the federal govern,
in january. The sex who now for political expediency is trying to blame is the sheriff.
Come and town to clean things, up, try
blame the sheriff for trying to
things up yeah,
far more sinners than saints in the situation of the republican party. You- and I know that, while we we watched people that we worked with, that we,
in our know, in the in the field of politics with us
by side become otherworldly in there in their view of
situations like this, that the thing that's the most interesting for
Is the transformation in the past
are our elected officials in a serious matter like this watergate
MR mine, where
They would not elevate the politics over
the rule of law, the pursuit of justice
doing the right thing, as our mama's used to tell us right today,
This integration of magua republicanism is all about,
labelling, the politics over all else. Making
everything subject to it, because at the at the tipp of the spear is tromp in trump ism,
and so that's that's, which use now too, to pierce the veil.
justice to take off their blindfold
as we saw with the judge cannon in the first trump matter before her
trying to sort of
game, the system politically or
or game the system because of your political interest. That is far
From what you and I
remember, certainly when you came in the congress and ninety four it was,
it wasn't about elevating the politics. It was about elevating the policy,
even when you look at these, these issues, from from justice and and crime and n and criminal behaviour to policies
the house and in the senate the politics is,
Anna meets the narrative now, and there are no objective players, there's no one who is sitting back. Looking too,
all the balls in the strikes, everyone from
mccarthy, on down has their finger on the scale to tippit towards donald trump
yeah. It's all about power, a meaning bathes. It's all about training.
is close to power as possible and
we came at a ninety four. There are a lot of positions. We took that maybe a lot of people that, unlike even though they were very popular, most of them, were very popular.
The poles
after four years. We had a leader that we didn't think was was in hearing to what he promised to do, and so we ran out of town people. You don't do that what we
did do that, because
like you said about the policies. I remember saying to note
time. I said: listen. My own mother was running
this place like you running this place, I would vote
I send my mom home, hopefully shit at me for thanksgiving dinner, but if not well, she will just have to deal with it and I said cheerfully. This is very keto. Yeah baby. I just said this wasn't personal. It was about what we promised we were going to do and that's what is that's. What's so
our aim here. Elise, you to also worked with republican, serve with republicans. Now we have
public and party and again we know that it was correct
does john meets him said. We know how bad things were. Elise is
is there ass. She has sallies
yeah, we'll
you. Ok,
we now have republicans who or attacking the justice department
because they tried to get nuclear secrets that were stolen back in the
house. They were true
they get military
and secret military power plants to invade iran that were stolen back
the white house, Kevin Mccarthy and the
republicans see house republicans are attacking the justice to port
and the fbi for trying to gay top secret
military classified documents back
in the white house and now
you're trying trying to defend donald trump and they are attacking the justice department and the fbi for doing what Kevin Mccord
they told them they needed to do, and that was to bring the perpetrator,
that that caused the rioting and the cap
skidding, beheld beat now that one january, the six. What did he say? Not
them. Demoralize go to get a picture taken
smiling like Kevin Mccarthy did, but to bring the perpetrators to join,
this, and he said
the house floor, we ve got the tape. The Donald trump was responsible
Joe. When you're attacking the refs said
in times when you're attacking them
for ease you're losing the gang and, if that's the best
the argument that republicans have right now and frank
It is the only argument they have right now, given how many charges have piled up against donald trump and how many evident how much evidence is out there in the open to see not just with joy
or a six. But you look at the charges and georgia where there are recorded phone calls that are so damning for donald trump and his defensive election
practice down there, he
they are only
blaming the rafts, because that's the position, that's the sorry position that donald trump has let them in, and this is it
ticking time bomb for the republican party that may
donald trump is going to skirt, pass justice and hill evade justice. Just as he has.
pass so many times and maybe he'll still be able to run. You run for president as there
looking nominee fight. He could blow up any day, given all the way
problems. There are swirling around him and that is the choo choo risk that the party is taking by going for with him as the norm as the likely nominee.
well again, they're they're they're choosing to defend again they're choosing to
and a guy who sold nuclear secrets are choosing to defend a guy who start
you stole military secrets who stole
plans to invade iraq in case we need to do invader on their defence
if the guy that they blamed afterwards for the riots. On january, the six were trying to overthrow the united states government for trashing the people's house, the united states capitol. They don't have to do that. They can actually so like somebody,
who could well
some reason they won't do it. It's it's. Just crazy
jonathan mirror, you wrote the book on January, the six. It seems kind of funny, not there
bring you in here and put you just to put all the pieces of the puzzle together. Candlelight the red sox,
You know trying to put the pieces,
puzzled together last night and they couldn't they couldn't hit. The ball
hopefully I'll, be more successful than they were. We should note it was a historic day of offense across making a base plastic, a record setting day of run, scored red sox and we got shut up
but fuck bell, Jonathan in art, in our defence. It. What we were shut out against one of the worst teams and modern baseball history- that's true
a bunch of minor leaguers couple folks, they pulled from the stance and we couldn't couldn't you wanna- couldn't get a run across them, so at least there is that
firms of where we are, though, China go big picture here I mean this is a wooden
the combination, because there are plenty of chapters still to go, but this is this- is the by product of the big
and it shows in some ways we should take a glass half full look here that this system has is holding it held
november of twenty twenty. It held some republican
State officials, sub judges did the right.
Thing, even some members of trumps administration. It took them to the eleventh hour, but they did the right thing and, though, Jane worse
twenty twenty one will always be one of the darkest days in our nation's history. People have started to begun to be brought to
asked us, as you ve, been saying: job
long? It was only those everyday americans who actually storm the capital listening to donald trump words that inspired them to commit violence in his name, but now we're seeing others to those electors in Michigan will talk more about that later and that potentially trump himself in the people around him. It is pending
Hell Canada, seemingly on the verge of being held accountable for months and months of lies
threatened our democracy like never before
we discussed yesterday as the news broke,
maybe in some ways this will still be the hardest case to prosecute. Maybe this will be the hardest one to deliver a guilty verdict, but it's also the most important one. The ban should be charged for what he did.
yeah consequential and you mentioned Michigan coming up we'll talk with
boy spans about it. The felony charges against fake electors in
you can also the latest in the moral. I go documents case also
morning Joe, what we're learning this morning about a? U s soldier detained in north korea plus for this post,
numbers lagging rhonda.
Aunt is returns to mainstream media to defend his twenty twenty four presidential campaign. Also
President Biden, that, with the new campaign at featuring and
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active of party affiliation, free and fair elections are the foundation of our system of government and one of the most important principles in our democracy people.
should have confidence in our election system and a belief that their vote counts? Are. Democracy must be perpetually defended,
by every generation of americans,
This has to be really kind of confusing and disconcerting for these protests that that you
three have elected leaders right who don't let you lie about being electors?
to the united states congress for the purposes of actually rep.
Setting the state of michigan and who they actually voted for, and so
These are basic things. Where
what we're going? Look back on the years from now and you're, starting to see again, we ve been talking for about a year now, maybe nine months about gravities returning that actually are
things that we thought like no
and no longer matter in this country did matter gravities returning. I think
we will look back after tromp is gone,
Years from now, and just to say how, how did these people
how they ever think they're gonna get away with that. Have what what
ask what was going on between twenty fifteen, and
We twenty one that made these people think they can act like thongs, beat the hell out of cops, try to overthrow the federal government
lie repeatedly be part of it
scheme all because they wanted to get close to fly,
a reality. Tv host.
Who had lost election after election out related after election they get. There
well ass. Well, why do they do? It
and- and we still have an answer- either- may well a really those who does
questions sound like a farce, but I think that's going to be a really important discussion as to how we got here and what were the different factors involved over the course of decades and these people who
these people who knew better, who knew they were breaking the law
I knew they were lying, who knew they were trying to undermine democracy? Not not some gentle
wise concept, but dumb.
Accuracy in their own state, praying
undermined the will of the people who have just found it pretty
probably in michigan, by the way,
as close as
was before, but voted for Joe Biden instead of donald
and you have people who actually splattered unscathed, the take away the popular vote like they were in town.
turkey, our russia are
saddam hussein's arrived just crazy, so that,
was michigan attorney general Dana nestle announcing, fell on it
charges for sixteen people who worked.
returned the states. Twenty twenty election results. The defendants
legit lay met in the basement of the mission republican parties
headquarters and signed multiple certificates?
They were michigan, duly elected and qualified electors for the presidential election, so
The electors then
to deliver the documents to the state senate, but were turned away each of the defendants,
face several forgery related charges which could result in malta year jails
ten says the sixteen people include.
Would a state republican national committee
a woman as well as it
We're state republican party, co
Share I didn't believable about it really is emitting, enjoys vance, again, gravity return outside people. People
again use wonder what people were thinking at the time they were going to lie about being electors, we're going to try to under donald trump cards,
keystone cop player,
electors which apparently it's gonna end up snagging a lot of people not only
state level, but possibly on the federal level, but bit what's going
We the outcome for these people, get trying to
take away the vote from their fellow
michigan residents,
A general now saw, I think, said words that will resonate throughout this historical conversation that you and make you have been talking about this question of how did that
your dream! Last for so long. You know that
thus says? Democracy has to be defended perpetually and so she's put
her markers that she intends to be part of that process and she's
starting in classic prosecutors fashion at the bottom of this particular food chain, not of the entire.
food chain, where we ve seen rioters and protestors prosecuted by the
in general, in the district of columbia,
Here we see where it began in Michigan, with people who tried to over turn. The out
some of the election, something like close to a hundred and
the five thousand more votes for Joe Biden than for donald trump, but knew how folks engage in a clear scheme of forgery and election cry
and thus makes an important point. She says I have to prosecute this case because I prosecute forgery.
Every day and I prosecute people who try to fraudulent, lay obtain absentee ballots and if I didn't prosecute these people would be because they were well connected
political actors. You know in some ways that makes it worse will see that as the evidence in this case of all these were people who understood
what they were doing, who knew what was going on, who were asked to conduct themselves with great secrecy to conceal what they were about
and who ultimately we're living in the same environment that we were all living in, watching lost
after lawsuit, be dismissed in courts who said there was no fraud that tainted this election. So these folks, these are what prosecutors would call righteous targets for prosecution.
So Joyce there is such a long list of legal troubles facing donald trump. It's tough to keep track and we should not overlook another
you're development yesterday, which is from south florida classified documents case, and about the timing of that potential trial and trumps team, as we know, is argued to say, hey we
even have a trial until after the election, and they did raise the point that well
because there are so many other matters, including now, this january, six, in
allegation that it's gonna difficult to schedule. One. We know the jackson with, of course, the same we wanted to begin at the end of this year, so the judge didn't
give us a definitive ruling, but what sort of tea leaves? How, as how do you read? The tea leaves there when he went to spain, where
an especial end up when she makes your decision in the coming days.
so from what we learned in the hearing, the judge was a little bit solemn monarch. She didn't seamen,
to go along with prosecutors, proposed schedule of a trial in December thing that that would be
out of line with other cases involving classified documents, but at the same token, she didn't seem persuaded
trumps argument that this case could not be tried and should not retried until after the election,
she's taken the issue under advisement. She said shall issue her ruling and a couple of days will know a lot more when we see what month she lands in and
their she's committed, as the prosecutor said, to putting a date
the calendar that, even if it's a little bit aspirational, sets a schedule of that war.
aren justice can be done here.
Enjoys wish, or what do you think that they should be in line in line with other cases which the judge said she's trying to do right so
classified documents. Cases for all of the obvious reasons that we can all readily understand are a little bit more difficult to do than a regular case. For one thing: those documents
have to stay in the skiff here that mean
lawyers and their clients, will have to travel to the skiff to look at documents, motions that
could normally right in the comfort of your own office will have to be written in the skiff. This complicates the pro
Thus, it slows things down a little bit.
That is an important defendants are entitled to due process rights. But what did
dodge seemed tempted to do in this hearing was to a white those sorts of delays that are encountered with more complicated case and in cases that have
slower schedules more deliberate schedule because they are complex and they require additional process. Prosecutor say look judge it's possible that we can have a classified documents case, but one where we don't have to treat it like a complex case,
here, the government has done something really extraordinary that we haven't talked about enough. I dont think instead of producing
discovered to defendants on a normal, somewhat delayed roll out. The government put together all of the non classified discovery and they gave the defendants a road map to how to review it. They
hold them how they would be using the evidence. That's unusual. It saves defendants a lot of time. It gives them
a real leg up- and it looks like will see the same thing with classified discovery that means process
There are serious about getting this case done quickly. The former you
attorney Joyce bands. Thank you as always for coming on this morning and amid all of this jackie alimony. What are you watching for moving forward yeah meagre,
again, we are on high alert for when this indictment potentially comes down. This would be former
and Tom trumps third indictment related to the january six attack on the? U S, capital and what exactly those charges are. We have yet to see the target letter that indicates some of the statutes that trump might potentially be
charged for were also looking out going forward for more tar.
letters that were potentially sent to people right now. Rudy giuliani lawyers and a lawyer for johnny spin say that their clients
have not received target letters? That, of course, could change. We also have been lied to buy these lawyers in the past. There are some other key players. People like form
Why does she have south mark meadows, who has been been conspicuously quiet and staying out of the limelight? Has he received a target letter? We do know that he has gone in before several grand jury is related to several of these different criminal investigations from the morocco documents case to January six, to the fulton county investigation. Is he cooperating or is? Is he someone who also has potentially anticipating a target letter and then, lastly, were also looking at the order of all of these
we'll tenuous criminal investigations going on as Joyce no did. A lot of these states ended up conducting their own criminal investigations because they for doubted that the just
department would move along with charges,
two january six. So what is going to come? First, an indictment from jack smith related to January six or is funny willis gonna get out in front of it, as we are expecting sums
a decision with regard to her
estimation in fort county next month, Joe Joe
One of the interesting aspects of all of this, when you look at Joyce's analysis and an end, Jackie's reporting is that the tension that
that we're seeing play out. You've got to to Joe's opening point about the wheels of justice finding that groove and grinding through this process, while
in time. You have political actors that are trying to exempt the politics
from those format that
a process elevator.
The politics above the legal process making tromp up up
greatest citizen who is untouchable.
giving credence to his his pronouncements in his rats, while at the same time leave
by the side of the road everyday citizens, because their fodder there there
the distraction, but what
this doesn't know? We're pulling and altogether we're pulling in backing,
the conversation and we're going to show you, MR trot, that, while you think these folks artists,
peace is that can be jettison their import
peace, is badly
to your eventual conviction and that's the tension.
we were seeing play out between
in politics and the law
she and Jackie alimony. Thank you very much for your reporting this morning and come
up on morning, Joe smart, brilliant and perfect those
words Donald trump used last night to describe the
role of china.
President changing paying you carry me
we'll show you that fresh praise for the communist leader that Joe Biden has labeled a dictator. But what deals does he have to really remember there in the same building trump tower? Anyhow,
The four be right back,
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President chief central casting where you and you know what I say is brilliant everyone says all that stuff. We call it
by runs. One point: four billion people
with an iron fist. Smart grids
everything perfect, there's nobody. In hollywood like this guy, I get them
twenty eight billion dollars, because they screwed our farmers for years
Nothing is, he didn't even know he calls she brilliant
mars. Perfect
this is a guy who again
has as clamp down it's a tyrant and and
donald trump, is calling him swarm again. We ve talked about this before
how we to believe that the government govern police least governs best right and they believe
an individual liberties and individual freedom. Stop and
We sought the new york times a couple days ago. Praises authoritarianism, he's always loved authoritarian, see, loves most brutal.
spectators in the world, whether to north korea, russia,
in china and that's the thing you have all of these groups, it out
Fine, so soft and shiny now is called.
She a tyrant and you look at our military expansion
Around china, it's been that's been.
pretty hot summer to be honest with you, but brilliant, smart purpose.
Is what he says about president? She does.
so the same donald trump who during cove it said that the united states,
on behalf of the people, the united states, he wants to fake praise,
and she for his openness for his openness and
full cooperation with the people of the united states, its just bizarre, let's bring write. Another present merit is the council on foreign relations sector endanger richard eyes.
Richard again, it doesn't have today
to day define.
Five one tyrant on the globe for another tyrant on the globe that donald trump
praised and as we all remember
it's always sort of a nightmare during those nato meetings and during the g20 meetings where he would cost
Lee be attacking waiters from democratic countries, but
always praising the tyrants
kind of envious there when it
equated brilliance with ruling china with an iron fist
seems to be his approach and whatever,
You can say about shoeshine thing, lot of flaws right now: the demographics of china or bleak its
drinking and getting much much older. The ratio
working age to non working age, population skewing very badly the economy, economic.
What has really plummeted in that country? All sorts of financial aid
whilst that, could pop and is Joe you pointed out several times the principal effect or consequent,
The chinese farm policy seems to be too
galvanised regional response against china, and you have these.
Formal and informal groupings that are essentially wary about the extra
should all of chinese power. So whatever else
I would say, she's in paying, has clearly created a lot of headwinds for himself.
certain moving moving along a little bit private second class Travis kings crossed over
to the border voluntarily into north korea.
How do you see negotiations proceeding to bring
him home where he faces prison, a prison sentence was interesting.
You're north korea. Now this will be one of those roar such tests.
stay. They want to show that colonel coat. They can be reasonable. They want to give a signal, maybe they're, hoping that it could lead to some talks that could reduce sanctions
will be forthcoming,
If, however, they want to continue to up the tension and they want It'S- almost station identification for the north koreans potential on
Do the odd missile tests
point: we're gonna have another nuclear test. They're going to play harbour
know what they're gonna know. This is a decision making system of one
most like several of these other places. So I think it's gonna tell us where the
koreans all right now, tactically, and this
the your man, however misguided he is, is clearly now caught up in something much bigger than himself search it lets you are towards the glove and talk about the ongoing conflict between russia.
in ukraine, a lot of good feelings coming out of the nato summit last week. Certainly a note of unity struck by prs
abide in the alliance growing, but the
the ground remain what they are
and presently he would acknowledge that presents linsky told them that the counter offensive has been a real reels.
There also seems like there's. No man, that's not for any, so
a negotiated settlement. Any time soon, and we now have russia bailing out of the grain deal can have real consequences far beyond ukraine
where's, the everything you said this spot on like this, this counter offensive is encountering all such a difficult. You got dug in russian forces who,
use mines, an enormous quantity and its
things down, plus its turned up turn
out of ukrainian equipment caused a lot of cash. This right now. The counter offensive probably cannot be sustained at this level.
I'm intensity in the cluster munitions in the aircraft are not going to transform that
it's one thing to you? The russians are pushing back, but they got limited. Leverage want that
the grand the also we'll see how disruptive that to be the biggest story.
and this is going to go off,
she's euro reason to believe that
their side, as is right or wrong
for negotiations. I think ukrainians haven't you come to the conclusion that they can't militarily liberate they'll have russia clearly is playing for time.
It would love to see whether the west states are obviously looking at the american presidential race, so I don't think china thing
We're gonna see serious negotiations. If I were betting man until early twenty twenty five, I think the russian
want to see the lay of the land. Ukrainians want to see
While they can do so. My guess is no matter how much diplomatic effort there is. I don't see it
hey or probably for another eighteen months which meets this. This
Confiding season has to end, and probably a third fighting season, and that's just me
it's an enormous amount of destruction is still ahead of everybody
if your volume report near sitting there hoping to cite donald trump hoping you can avoid prison
by winning the election in twenty twenty four vladimir putin is something he can win the war over it to take over another country,
if Donald trump winds, he knows trump. Will let him do it
richard: we also have you here, obviously for for your your position this morning, Jones a meredith, golf correspondent. We have the british up and coming up this weekend. Excuse me ross the show and as we call it, the british show, but I didn't get the email. It's now just called the open somewhere
in our collective youth was called the british
open, and now it's just called open
and that's what I was saying over across the pond. They refer to it as the
as in the premier event,
we are americans, though, so let's talk about the british open and tell you that we must say it's
love the masters it's it's so exciting, but there is
nothing wonderful about the british open, especially when the winds are blowing about forty five miles an hour. There's rain and everything's
going sideways and they get light. There is
six iron out till I can t off, because I know they're just
Get a punch it and that's about it. But what are you looking for this weekend or
Mcelroy run nurse the genesis scottish open this past week, so he goes into it is one of the favorites you see drawn raw and others. This courses
interesting two things. One is
played out, and I was fifteen or twenty years tiger woods one there. The entire course was brown,
drought this year. The entire course is is
lush green and the
France's interesting. The rough is much thicker. It's going to be a much tougher course. Secondly, JO leinen:
look at it, the bunkers
around the greens on on the fair way. Eugene
I want to get one of those
you join one of those you manage all join the witness protection programme, you're never going to be seen again
Now as deep as bunkers I have ever seen in my life on twitter, there was a thing. The other day were somewhat took sick strokes to get out of a bunker that that is a bad afternoon
And eventually, I weeks as a man who is ireland, some time in the bank on the bunker, our present emeritus of the council on foreign relations, richard ass, always great to have you on this area for coming on selling your private carbonic is as easy as easy as but sure all you do is enter your license later been is easy, is a stroll in the park. Ok, then, just answer a few questions and you'll get a ride
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