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(00:00) – Introduction
(08:25) – The great American road trip
(25:54) – Martial arts and philosophy
(28:55) – Real vs fake success on Instagram
(39:40) – The brutal honesty of Mike Tyson
(44:26) – Breaking your opponent in wrestling
(52:32) – Genghis Khan
(1:03:38) – It’s okay to change your mind
(1:08:15) – Why do politicians become inauthentic
(1:14:52) – Greatness requires sacrifice
(1:17:36) – Whiplash
(1:25:44) – Relationships
(1:31:21) – Greatest fighters of all time
(1:39:02) – Greatest fight of all time
(1:53:25) – Khabib Nurmagomedov
(1:55:13) – Can Conor McGregor beat Khabib Nurmagomedov?
(2:09:29) – Conor vs Khabib 2
(2:16:05) – Will there always be war?
(2:17:41) – Future of civilization
(2:19:52) – Kids
(2:26:37) – The meaning of a “like” on social media
(2:35:34) – Starting a podcast
(2:54:16) – Book recommendations
(2:57:46) – Keeping the independence of solitude
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You first
I've been ready for this more life. I asked
if doing a style road trip across the united states. You after this whole covered thing, lists erratic urge europe, like that,
I've done a handful of longest
Driving trips opened
the east coast, but also from the
caused back to the east coast
and then returning to california so
I definitely on my fair share of driving in this country.
You have the longing for the great american road trip. I
I think there are so many things that have been lucky enough to see in the world that I now at this point in my life realise there are tons
things that I need to see here in this
country and a roach up could potentially be the best way to see them. I think
to do it effectively. You need an amount of time where you can
is leisurely is possible, there is no deadline and there is no I've gotta make it.
chicago to saint louis, by sundown, to get to this place at this time
You really need to be able to take your time, and I m kind of what
Let the road take you where you need to go.
because again emission now, ultimately
like there's a reason to be in san francisco ethic. The correct thing you have to meet them
he's somewhere kind of loosely in a few weeks, and then it's the as yet
struggle on towards that mission. He meat
Weird characters are getting away, but ultimately serve clayton experience
I think I'm gonna lose deadline is good, but
beginning in an end point, then what I mean is. I don't want to have to be
we're leaving, say boston on Sunday night, let's get to new york by
Monday morning and then from new york. We're gonna go to fully and we gotta be in philly at four.
a vague beginning, an end is fine, but I think
I have been very strict.
guidelines in between will rise
you have certain experiences along the way. If you have a time
to get from fifty two indianapolis in
Awesome shit starts to happen in philly. Do you really want to have to cut short, because you gotta mean indianapolis by sun up? Why do you
to be anywhere by any time? For any reason, really well change
plans change all the time exactly, but if we're talking about
having a mission or the type of road trip. I just think it would be best to have it.
As loose and flexible as possible. You gotta make hard deadlines and then break them totally changed the plans. Disappoint people break problem.
As as the way of life somebody's waiting for your settlers-
I knew you
phone lover, the baker in new york. I don't know what you're up to
I can appreciate that, but on a trip like that, if you like.
A trip with deadlines is for a different point in your life and at this point,
I don't want any the deadlines, because it's not about
meeting someone and disappointing them in Saint louis. It's about me now
supporting myself, you wanna, have you wanna.
Enough time in what
doing to make sure that you get the full breadth of every expired
that you encounter how'd, you fully experience a place. How is your note I owning eventually for experience? Boston?
If you are showing up to a city for weak on this road trip, what would you do so I'm an answer,
parts. A few years ago I had an opportunity to move out of boston and the thing I kept me here,
no question about. It was the fact that I felt like I had a contract with my students
and I did not. I felt like a great
Many of them took a leap of faith.
By joining my german, like community,
asking me to teach them what I now and when
an opportunity to leave boston. I thought of those people, and I thought I want to fulfil my obligation to them
So because I made a decision to stay here, I then that some are made a decision to endear myself to the city of Boston, and I tried to find lots and lots of different things to do. I can tell you that
Cool thing that I found to do in the city is on the amateur.
where they have like on Friday night, the have different exhibits and stuff, and I like little
beer cards in food, tents and you can go, do a painting class oftener and are on the side very cool night of things to do
but in general, whenever I'm in a new city, I try
pay attention to Google, and I not to do anything that I find
and a travel cite the best thing to do.
Is to walk out of your hotel or wherever it is you're staying and find the most
one: lookin bar have a drink,
Your bartender, something people, the people, the people
then you can experience that town the way the day experience it.
Even in a city where there are tons of tourist attractions logos, probably.
visit the same tourist attractions when they have visitors come from out of town. You want to see how they view those places
They visit them and you want to go to eat where they're going to eat. Like you know, you gonna the idaho, for the most part
The north end is not a place where I would take someone and say hey. This is boston, the pinnacle of Boston, dining because it's me
tourist, their handful, a really good restaurants there, but I want to know where the weather,
go to bogies place. I want to know like the download spots where the hell's bogus place. It's like a little stake house in the back, a jam curly exactly douglas,
at bar generalised system, a bar with like bar food,
I think they like Boston. It is embarrassing answer south boston.
Now it's an arm.
town area gum.
I don't know what the new roads are called here honestly because they call they gave an area called downtown boston, an enemy no tell that means, and these new financial district, where southie is I've, heard about the southie south east south boston, but is there is a difficulty south boston southie?
Now it the same thing like you, the mythical south. I think the mythical southie is something is long gone now and
The term now actually is sober,
Oh now, yet it changed white who'd who took over what? What's that now, the
were hunting personality. That south is not strong acts and those bad as deeds. I came here right at the end of like what was southward
and so when I got
and my jim is in south boston. The neighborhood was just starting to change, so I think.
As justification happen in a sort of building more luxury condominiums. They were buying all these old businesses out all the mom and pop businesses, and I think that
I have changed the them
above the community- and it was only because there was an influx of new young people- I would disposable income is because there's
exodus of the the older people who can agree
and raise their families are because they were being offered humongous sums of money for their homes that they had bought, like can elite, seventies and early eighties, so that they can develop those areas,
So you have a combination of the influx of new people and the exodus of the old, and now you just got this totally new neighborhood in it's place. What do you love about boston? Is there a love still for boston.
You certainly have the love of the thing that's gone as well. Yeah, I think
I don't want to pinpoint Tennyson Boston because it happening in all great cities.
As these areas become gentrified, what's happening,
The personnel in the character of the neighborhood is is just being run out and I
nothing against people coming in and making money things like that. But when you do that,
spence of that culture
character in the personality of the neighborhood. I mean
kind of standing on the shoulders of giants, these are the people that can europe built these areas up
happens here and in Boston happens in all over new york,
happen on the west coast, so
what I love about. Boston is not nearly as romantic as what it might have been fifteen years ago and what I used to love about new york, what I love
Boston is that its workable
the food scene is on is on the rise here, but I think you're, your hard pressed
to find the charm that.
People, think of when they think of old boston, an old new england city, see I see a different
people, sometimes criticised like mit ike
or the thing that it is now, but I think is always like that. I'd tend to prefer to carry the
I am of the history of the greatness, the greatest moments of its history and like so
enjoy that the echo
of that in the halls of mit in the same way in Boston, you think about the history and that
is your lives on in a few individuals like you can't
Look around what boston!
It'd like what has Boston become. I think it was over
carried by
a minority of individuals, I think we kind of look back at.
History and think like tat.
or greater in a certain kind of dimension back then, but just because we remember-
This is ridiculous,
data driven assertion of mine, is remember just there this that the brightest stars of that history, and so we romanticize
but I think if you look around now, those special pete
still living in Boston, for which bosnia will be remembered as a great city in fifty years,
you're, probably right, but isn't there some sort of theory about.
The point that there is like a certain age in your life where things resonate differently to you, like, I think I've done studies were most people stops.
Looking for new music after aged nineteen, most
dad. You see like wearing super old clothes like the that's the style,
the time period of the last great part of their life.
There's- an evolution in people and you could
so be the memories of where they live, and when I was
seventeen of course, my
Road was the best then, because having the most fun and we
this kind of look at things through that that ten, I think
and you are right- and I dont think is anything wrong with the way cities
evolving. Now, it's
not I I preferred it
I'm up like a mom and pop store, not a fabricated like gastro pub. That could just be like
on a four superhighway upon your way out of, have got centre and its action
it's owned by like some conglomerate, but there's still the special places, the gate this takes us back to the road trip is maybe
I tend to romanticize experiences of like the diners in the middle of nowhere
you say makes for like it feels like life is made up of these experiences
that may be on paper, see mundane but are actually some
I'll, give you a chance to pause and reflect on life,
with a certain kind of people, whether right
Really close friends are complete strangers. Maybe
cause evolved in the middle of? Nowhere seems like road trip facilities that, if you allow me to add what do you think me
It was kind of experience. Have you had any? I think
in the context of a road trip. I think it's like hyper localization, and
and it is on those
experiences,
along the way with people, and
the people that you with will cover the experiences differently depending on the person. There are tribute
there was somebody else, so I've driven up and on the east coast several times when I drove from
the way to new york. My friend was on the run from the cops
so we were trying to get out of tickets yeah challenging it
Why do we
trying to get out to allay because he
going to have to go away for a little while, so we draw
from a and we just you know. Where
catherine ideal. We're doing
we drove east
and then you know, we had an unbelievable trip mostly because we didn't we-
have a destination. We didn't really have a time frame. Thank goodness,
because you get arrested again in pennsylvania, so
yeah, I kind of stuck there and then you know, and then we will go back to allay when he got out
pennsylvania, but
the stops along the way were kind of like we,
things that you have no money right to your finding that, like,
a little diamond in the rough placed eat the diner you.
about that place
I once was in his was
I think in buenos aires and the guy that I was with he said. I know this
wait little spot around the corner,
and I was young- has twenty five and I thought the coup
This thing in the world would be to be
such a citizen of the world that you know these quaint little spots around the corner and, like all these great citys like I know where to get this great chicken.
Sandwich in argentina. I know where to get this great meal and costa rica. I know where to get this
super local thy gum egg in another country,
That was really call the ability to do,
at anywhere in the world you get closer with that guy, when all through the trip I found that, like so I took, I took a trip across the nest.
As with the other guy friend of mine, we had different goals
searching for meaning a life- and he was searching for arm- was the politically correct with our phrasing it budget.
basically trying to sleep with every kind of woman that this world has to offer. What's the difference between those two things, while I guess the different kinds of meanings, I mean I just I I I still think,
You can't find meaning
between a woman's legs. I suppose that
not all of them.
But there was a time
in. There grew closer with those experiences, but we ve gotten invites
you know there is a lot of like liberal, almost fights and they were close enough.
Silence is, but there were one
brothers. Is this whole weird journey?
if, though you went on, I think
tom. You spend that much time and
like a small space with another person, you're gonna
the different
the relationship will manifest themselves, have the periods of closeness you have.
Periods of vulnerability where it's like, maybe you're, driving through denver
it's three in the morning and you talk about something you might not have otherwise talked about. You'll have the periods,
you don't want to see that motherfucker ever again right in the end pending could be because of anything.
but the guy that I drove twice with we are
still,
so in contact were still bodies. We
We have very different goals also, but at that point our lives, we were not. We didn't.
And contemplated the meaning of life. We were about problem, more
one of the friend that you draw with. We are more about racking up experiences whatever they were,
I want to be able to retail this stories. Yeah
the other able to and it's gonna sound call again
when a retail story about genuine
through alabama and they've got a lovely library, and I checked out this book and you know I'm not innocent retelling. That DA. Do you remember any er? This is a kids show
I'll do my brain stories
the kids will enjoy from those time, though,
found, some kind of way there were some
pact for moments,
beginning of our road trip where we had no money and as a couple
kids, who knew nothing. We literally had two we stop in vegas and we want a circus circus at the time.
dollar blackjack and we had like twelve box and my buddy was a kind of a degenerate gambler, so he knew what was up. I was just that kind of stuff in chips in my pockets, making sure we could pay for the gas and just being
a point which is like a starting line. In like we drove from l a
to vegas region only about four hours and being
the starting line in realising like we may not. Even I get off the starting line here, and if we do
What are we doing? We're gonna be two guys stuck in vegas with no money. We can't go west cause you're gonna get pinched with no money
east, what the hell are we going to? We gonna wind up in vegas,
So you know that that was kind of a profound thing where you just it's a turning point
it could have been a turning point in our lives. Had we
made enough money to continue going east. That's the beautiful thing by roger from your broke is like
in retrospect everything turned out fine, but your facing the complete darkness
the uncertainty of the possibilities that before you and like I don't know if you are confident at that time, but I was
really follow. Served out like just like
could seize all the trajectories. Will you screw up your life like? What am I doing my life, I'm a fairly ike
these dreams, I've had never realized them. A complete piece of shit almost cause. I have no concept of consequence
as I probably had taught replies Moses,
I had literally no concept of consequence immediate.
vacation was all I care about passive existentialist yeah. It did not. It did not
even enter my mind at in my like early twenties that
anything that I was doing at that point. Could review
break for the rest of my life. I think part
we didn't even think I'd make it this far then so
I was not interested in like the long play. I remember thinking like why should I be acting now in a way that might impact a point in my life? I never reach
and yet now you are a man whose searching
for meaning in life. At least I was
To put it another way, you
You think deeply about this world and in a philosophical contacts, while also appreciating the violence of hurting other
friends of yours right on a regular basis, so were what what
you think I mean maybe there's a broader question there, but it costs a personal question. It seems that people who fight for prolonged periods of time, like jujitsu people, martian
it's much worse. People, even military folks, become overtime, philosophers. What? What is that that is? There
Allah between fighting and violence in the philosophical depth.
With which you now have for from the starting point of being the full existentialist tat shows
just living in the moment you like being introspective human now.
I would say to that being a soldier
or a warrior,
hundreds of years ago is probably
what started the marriage between martial arts and philosophy. If
you're constantly under someone else's charging you're told to go out and walk in a line, and you know overtake some german
a tribe somewhere and that
all the time your
job is being a soldier theirs.
On any given that you might not come home. So I think that you have to say
your day by thinking deeply about.
How you ve lived to that point in the people that are living in and around you and I
if treated them. I think that probably is what started the marriage of being caught,
I got philistine.
Forgot Marshall artist, you ve got a really like on a daily,
since the start of
what's going on around you and inside you, because we all,
offer. With this kind of idea,
if today's my last day that I do it right and we really do it so much nowadays, because we're so comfortable, but if we're being march
To war every day I think you'd see people live a little bit differently. You know,
Did you treat the people around you a little bit differently using there's echoes of the interest? Even the sport of ya, like grappling
you get to where you're facing your mortality would already
with that way, but to be honest, I think that a lot
people that train in a martial art
Temporary society
consider them all marshall artists. I thank you.
Because you train a martial art does not mean your marshall artist. There are so many people that
use martial arts is a form of exercise and like
This little piece of self concept
use martial arts as tagline in their instagram bio, and it's really
one of exercise its something they.
oh, it's not something they are in. The end is a big difference. There there's a bunch of stuff mixed up in there because they use them.
I'm thing is something you do for its awesome.
could be something you are for display versus who
you are in the private moments of searching and thinking right, struggling and all that conniston instagram as a surface layer. That meant
Much of modern society operates in which is really problematic. Azeri there's that gap between
the person you show to the world and the person you
In private life, and if you make
majority of year project of the human project of yours,
a few years on this earth the
Optimization of the public is to grant profile than you never developed. This private person
It does seem that if you do digital long enough, it's very difficult not to fall into like this has become,
personal journey intellectual journey because, like if you get your ass case,
Thousands of times there's a certain point to other. Maybe it's a girl,
defence mechanism, but that turns into some kind of deeply profound introspective experience. Verses like exercise
then I'd yoga, yeah so
Me me go back first hand
just the instagram point, which I think there is a difference between
people who, whose instant
m is intrinsically tied to their profession and they have to pay
specific profile out there and I think
in general, people who truthfully art
their business is tied to their instagram profile. I want to exclude them. I think that most people
instagram, is how they want to be seen, and that's not
we can run with who you are, but I think.
There is a level of dishonesty there now
this is how I want people to see me. I'm gonna put all this stuff in my answer and bio, but that's it.
not me and
you do that. I think it's
it's a little disingenuous and you're right. There's not you're, never really going to marry those two things together and it gets tough. Let me uh sorry to interrupt. Let me push back on. Something is a good time to address.
Then there are the many facets of the great and powerful john clark. Ok, let let let let's let's go. There is cause it's interesting. You strive so hard for excellence in your life
and from extreme competence that you are visibly and physically off put by people whore who have not achieved competence.
You think we should be nicer to the people.
Are those early, like you mentioned a person who first picks up an art picks up by
becomes vague in stars through cross first are duly justified first time and create that is there in others their struggle.
In theory this like who am I in a really overly proud in his kind of ridiculous,
an you in your wise chair,
of sea seen many battled yeah there. You see the ridiculous this or that I tend to
I'm learning to give those folks not to mark them an answer to give them a chance to do
the ridiculous, let me, as I think I was that to let me first clarify
be clear about what you mean when you say a level of competence. I I've never one world championship I've,
however, you know there.
Many things in my life, I have not achieved what ah m mmm
was people were considered to be. The penalty
the level of success now that's accomplishments, its accomplishment,
its ribbons, its things like that, and it's not that those things don't mean anything to me and the fact that I haven't in some arenas
it is something that I want to change, which is
We can talk about the second, but I think that there is a difference between
the very eager new,
of whatever it is their doing. Who does the thing-
so that they can sit,
Well, they do the thing. That's a person have less respect for.
So we know each other, primarily through jujitsu. Looking at you
It's a tournament, there's this
there's. This idea that people
bows online. I respect anyone with the gods.
To get on the mat and put it on the line and sign up for a tournament that is the biggest load of
shit. I have ever heard this great. You know,
I know how easy it is for europe.
What your name on something and pay their registration fee and walk in there. That's not the hard part. Does the easiest part
I don't care if you lose your first match, but I respect the person who sign
for the tournament registers.
The tournament goes
diet loses waiting
I way trains there ass off in does the things proper,
and then goes on them that the person,
simply signs their name on the right.
Strengthen, form and jumped on the mat if they
done these other things. They actually have nothing to lose, because what they ve done, it
They ve stepped onto the man in the ring in the cage, with a pocketful of excuses,
yeah sure you signed up, but when you, but you
You're, not really vulnerable, because you didn't run, you didn't do this, you didn't do other things are supposed to do
person who a limb.
every possible excuse and then
It's on the mat and gets there. Ass kicked in the first round,
so much more respect for that person
person who does nothing. Maybe on natural ability, wins a couple a matches and then
right on facebook, on how I love
to the eventual champion, that's worth zero and towards zero, and in that
So what did you learn about yourself? You learned about
you said that you
a natural level of aptitude, for whatever this activity is that you're doing, but you didn't
actually learn how to
surmise it through training and through dedication and through all these other things. Ah, ah, I'm an incredibly inch
did novice musician. I love I like to play, but I don't put that on anything in you I stink at it. I would really love to be sick at it. I'm currently not
But like I'm not running around you now talking,
I didn't hear you
any those other things like I do it. It's for myself
and I want to- I want a regional.
we'll have competence in that, so the person they your respect for the person who takes
Fully seriously takes takes the effort fully seriously offer base. That would be
that you agree with yourself. Are you going to perform, live and just in your own private moments, your private thoughts urine?
not going to give yourself an excuse out like I'm gonna have fun. Is a nice experience you going to you're going to think,
going to try to be the best possible based blair given given up
it has gone on my life, but I'm going to do my ike ashes
put it on the line, and if I fail that it that's not because I didn't try is because
I'm a failure
and then sit in that sick feeling of like I'm a failure, but isn't that an important thing to know absolutely I by their theirs of theirs. That's like the best thing would be
but sometimes it's fun to lose yourself in them in
in the bragging in the year in the
your ways of life- and I think, I'm careful not to arm.
Because too many people, my life, when I brought
I would like a little candle of a fire of a dream. There would
just go like you know, though, just blow that fire out that they would do.
Smith make they see, like you know,
say I set of said a lot of diggers. Stuff put them
what we all always dreamed about like putting they always dreamed of having this world full of robots.
and you're every time I would bring these ideas up, they'll be shut.
by the different people, but my parents, by you know
you need to first get
education need to succeed.
The dimensions in order to do these things you have to give a great yet bob
about like there's all the stuff that its indirect or direct way
the blowing out that little ridiculous dream that you present an ethic
Oh, I remember sort of bringing up.
now things like becoming
stay champion. Rustling ripe
it's a weird death because of course, the coaches, water, they'll kind of dismiss that fake, ok, ok,
but at the same time it feels like in those early days you have to preserve
that little little fire
The johnny ive- I don't know if you know who that is as a designer at apple he was the chief designer he is behind most of the iphone all that stuff
in your heels talked about that he wouldn't bring his ideas to steve,
until they were matured
is he would always shit on them
you he would he wanted them to like little as little babies like live for, allegedly before they get completely shut down.
and I was thinking about that when I see a beginner sarah bragging eyes to go yet to be careful, let loose?
play with that little dream you know
you playing with a little dream that your nurturing you're, trying to take that little flame and you're trying to create a real.
blazed with it or
you playing with the idea of it and bought behind,
I met. There's no substance was hard to know the difference. That's why I struggle that. Is it
I don't think it necessarily is certainly you're wrong and when I say instagram, I don't wanna mps
bunch of strangers, but I have a gem of a lot of members and
I can tell you that the number of years I've been in the gym when someone
This means, as this is my goal- I don't.
Don't tell them yes or no in general, but I know I can
By the way they say it to me, I can thin slice it
in the look on people's faces and when people started
Like said, they want to do
it's windy. I know right off the bat.
this person's, you they're gonna, put an effort and or they're not going to put in africa. So to me, it
the effort behind that
your bus in your ass in your new at something in your brand new. Will you
can really hard and you
a series of like moderate successes
like that's the guy I wanna champion, because that persistence in that grit overtime, those successes.
no longer be moderate, they'll be huge, but
person residing moderate success by doing nothing chin,
His they'll never learn to put that work in the successes will never grow.
of an admiration. For my thyssen, I love him. I was got let letter
said for the brief moment, why
does a combination of factors. One is like the timeliness of his career and like the age I was when he like.
into prominence, the raw brood
violence and the raw brutal honesty when he speaks
it's easy for people to hear him or see his life and cast
m aside, as some simeon ask like just cream scourge on society, but when you hear him speak
This is not a guy who's on intelligent this
the guy who knows himself better than probably most was no ourselves
disarming, and you know that a humongous part of my
admiration for him. Who is MIKE tyson because there's
It feels like their similarity between him and you there's a
Does it there's a violent person in their brows.
really kind person and they're all like
bring together a little house and your
the same, there's a thoughtful person, but there is also
scary, violent person, and there are like having a picnic they're having a picnic. I think
their dialectical, tensions and everyone, these opposing
forces that are constantly pulling out here and there
points in your life, I get sliding scale and I think
Certainly, when I was younger person, there is a lot more manifestation of the violence and a lot less of the kindness.
People, who were not, as close to me, probably some more of the violence. I only the very close people to me saw like what would happen.
for the kind side, and now
that's sliding in the other direction- and I I worry actually sometimes that there
be a situation where I need that now
version of me and he's
further and further away, and I
call him up. If I meet him and
that concerns me to it to a certain degree,
the sad aging warrior, seeing his grace
our main away like to compete, that that person returns,
zack for MIKE tyson that person returned at the prospect of competition.
It returns, but I've learned I've
better how to manifest-
In competition, in terms of like the affair,
that that type of emotion, as on your physically in the middle of a competition sub better,
learn how to utilise that energy. But I
think another side effect of this is like having a gym where you're, a bigger guy and you're the head instructor, you can't
is mean and violence as you once were, because you are also now trying to run a business and he spent.
So long. So many so many years, china
to be mean and do you know
often your your technique a little bit,
is that all of a sudden just becomes who you are and- and I don't necessarily like that, so I've been trying to reclaim that a little bit
on the mat, but
I think in competition. Theirs.
There has to be an athlete
Really wants to score the points.
Fighter really wants the incapacitate you
what you want a position where they can do their own bidding
and result in a jujitsu match might just still be two points, but the motivations are very, very different,
What do you make of our thyssen? Andorra, rogan, a huge aroused by violence? Do you think that's insane? Do you think that.
To be honest for him, and do you think that rings true for
many of us others who practices
friend agrees? I don't. I can't speak for a lot of people and I think that
its was brutally honest statement by him, and I think it something that even if a lot of people feel it they're, not
comfortable, admitting or saying it, but I think, like there's, dares great joy in
like a landing, a flush right hand on someone's jaw and then watch
m crumble, you don't even feel it europe a baseball circuit.
you can hit a base it off. The under the battle was thin your hands because of the way
that you had it. You can
a home run and you won't feel anything
I feel so good in your hands and that I think the like one of them
the joys of physics,
Contact when you do it the right way, nicholas for all physical contact
you do it the right way, the physic
no pleasure you can derive from it and the mental pleasure. It saw
it's unparalleled see, but as different them,
and draw a distinction. I'm not I've had the floor.
gin of being arrested,
and I would draw a distinction between a very well executed in competition,
double leg, single egg, take down or a pin their some
osity person, there's something so comforting?
A well executed pen because it's like two seconds energy sake: everything is flush nice and I like it's all,
clean and any other phases. Oecd person who likes to align shall show it is beautiful. Ok, that's good technique. Rustling also provides you.
maybe more than other sports, the feeling
of dominating another human, yes of breaking now, not just of them being.
coffee and very powerful. You feel this
or another human being
and then you breaking them alike,.
I'm not as honest is my thyssen will, but as that
I like I've ever serve. Look in the mirror and said I like the dallas
in I that aspect of it, but it's
certainly seems, like you chase, that
when I was a wrestler in high school,
I lost so many matches because of over aggressiveness arm like
You know I would pick the top position and let you stand just so that I could do a map return and I wasn't trying to return to the man I was actually
I too, like dr you, through the mat and through the ground like I took like I've, had it gave me Joe,
to do that you, like
It wasn't like. I was trying to you know just
Are you to the match that opinion
what you just talked about like the the dominating another person. I used to look at that as
you got someone who, in theory, is equally trained and equally skilled is you are an ear
you're absolutely out their totally dominating them. There's join that you
could get in an enemy fight in you could take someone down, and you can
them, and all that feels good.
But when you start raining down the punches on their face from in they dropping elbows and stuff, like there's another level of satisfaction there and its it's tough to describe- and I dont think that if everyone is made
for when I was a thing one as a sinner nice goma, wrestling coach that look, you ve got to stop.
with all this crazy, aggressive wrestling like me,
They try to turn me into a technician and, and it will end
it did work to a degree
humongous shift for me in terms of success, but
It wasn't the same level of enjoyment out of it like
I mean I got disqualified from new england, since my coach said cross face and across space, and he said harder and I basically wound up and blasted it
the face and his nose got busted everywhere, but I didn't think not to do it, because that felt good. It felt good across space
that is imposed a lot of like
that's a weird american weary
that I have picked up
However, neither the russians
your brothers that don't see it dossiers
that they don't get draw. They think that there is a tension between the
part of the martial art and
violence so the marshal. I agree that poetic wagon put it better.
not so fast say with his dan gable.
dominating another human. They think of the effort, witness the effortless this of the tec.
Nick and you mastery of the artists exhibited in its effort. Witness
You lose yourself in the moment in the timing, they're just a beauty of timing like theirs,
it's more like one exam,
when you are, but also in you, gotta get the foot sweep
wrestlers in america and even judo players
american much of the world? Don't admire
the beauty of the four sweep, but a wartime foot.
which is a way to serve off balance a fine,
timing to just effortlessly changed the tape turn the tables
of main dummy european. It is
is seen as the highest form of mastery
in russian rustling in in a guess, a jew
in japanese judah, it's interesting
not sure unless your. What with that ten,
is about. I think, actually takes me back to
If you listen to our than calling harker history and jane
cause if you ve ever
I have read a great great book on James Scalia, I'm so I'm still trying to adjust
most of my life said: genghis khan, but
right pronunciation is actually genghis khan.
There is tension there. We kind of think I don't know we, I kind of thought, as
genghis khan, the altar,
violent.
and leader of ultra ultraviolet men, but
other view. Another way to see them is the people who warriors that valued.
stream competence and mastery of the art of are fighting with weapons.
with bows with the horse riding all that kind of stuff, I'm not sure exactly where to place them on my have.
Thinking about violence in our human history. I think in
of context of like our combat sports. I think there's a difference between an
athlete winning a contest under certain set of rules, and
fighter winning a fight under those
Oxygen roars, there's a difference
Let's do it
don't think one is any better than the other
like in may, I think a great example would be
George saint Pierre
georgian bears a tremendous its term
athletes any considers himself to be a marshall artist first
he's trying to win an athletic competition. Mickey
just trying to bust your ass right is a different approach to it
and yes, they ve had different results at the highest level of competition. But it's difficult to
tribute the difference in results. Just there
which, to the sport, because their different human beings with different abilities, indifferent different physical attributes.
I too have brothers, have the luxury of being able to talk about the beauty of a cup. Perfectly time
slide by right. There are other measures that will never be able to pull it off and therefore there
after pursue
other ways to defeat
someone, and maybe it is that damn gable
can a man spirit by outworking am type thing which is beautiful.
In its own way. But we we,
we tend to self select the ways in which were able to be successful and then carnatic a deep dive into them
What do you think is more beautiful brute force or effortless
execution of via text,
make that dominates another human. I think it's a subjective thing
based on what skills you perceive yourself to have
ever. I've never been us slick, super athletic, dexterous competitor in anything, and I
We ve been more of another. I've got out work, you have got out, grind ya, got out, mean you, and so because I've lived that I
to see the beauty and that more because I have a perceptual awareness that I dont have for the people who have the luxury of being very slick and athletic and in an using beautiful
now that said, there's a phenomenal little video
The day I sent her friend of.
a compilation of foot sweeps by
yoda cheetah, anime,
in their so beautiful and they're. So awesome
but I don't have an appreciation for those, but I can't emily
those, because I lack the physical ability to do that. Whereas
I at least have a chance to emulate some people. Do it through grit in threw out working people
but I would love to return to
you can get. Your thoughts about
they have so many mixed feelings about whether he is evil
not whether
violence that he brought to the world has ultimately the fact that it had may be
kind of, like dan calling describes, cleanse the landscape a second.
Reset for the world through violence had
ultimately, a progressive effect
of human civilization, even though, in the short term a lead to massive, you could say suffering. I don't know what to me.
that man, what what are your thoughts and james gun, I think it's
difficult to look at a historical figure in there,
actions of their time through a modern day lines, because it's very did its ease.
for us, too.
I'm kind of you, no impact,
in their achievements in the things that they did.
Say: oh well, you know what
was wrong, what
Of course, there can be true, but a lot of times we,
actually have any real good context. Our concept of that that
times they were living in and what really was deemed wrong? And what really wasn't we're looking at it through a very cushy, modern lines. That being said
from what I have read about genghis khan,
He was a violent dude, but also
He gave you an option. He when he
when he got to a village, he said. Look I mean an unfortunate.
You have a choice, you can come with us or you can run and
You know he gave them an option to join
regional fighters who he took very good
You know he was the first military leader
to pay his soldiers fan
these when they died, and he did that
based on the the booty that they got when they rated a village, he took the money he took it.
Sharing divided up amongst the soldiers and and the soldier's families. I think
he also is credited with awe first like
horseback mail routes or something like that right. Is he the godfather of modern postal system or something something like that? Yeah he's he's the Bernie sanders of the yeah
the mungo empire. I do think the the
Freeing of surrender is an interesting one. Gaza, it's interesting
because a thought experiment, whether you would sacrifice your way like the pride of nations, the nationalism pride of your country, whether you are willing to give that up
for you know to survive.
depends on who depends on you
if you ever, if you have a family and a young, kids and stuff like that, I think you are
obligation is primarily to them and therefore sir,
It has to be something that you consider in that and that most
time so that you can,
take care of those people. If your man alone- and you ve got like all these principles and all the other stuff and you just don't you you're not down
what genghis khan is doing and what he's selling yeah try and escape. Do your thing
No, that you know what weight on the other side of that for you potentially, but I think if there, sir
out there that depends on you, your obligation should be to them. It feels like historical.
people value principles more than life in this way of life.
What do I value more? The principles I hold versus survival? It seems,
Now we dont value principles as much you principles can be also relate.
and it could be your values. Whatever we're. Ok, sir said
facing those four
to preserve our survival, and that applies in all forms
actual survival or like
social media
preserving your reputation all those kinds of things it seems
like we in essence
in america value individual lie life that
death is somehow a really bad thing, as opposed to saying sacrificing your principle
is a very bad thing and everybody dies and is ok.
to die as with the what's horrible sacrifice, your principles of who you are just to live another day,
I think a big problem is people, don't really even what their principles are anymore. Hey, I people, you know
social media and just the way that we live nowadays where were separate,
it from the human contact like this. Like we're, not you not count,
again people.
Community anymore, you not whether
religious or not, let you not you're, not congregated in a church, you're, not part of a parish.
you would be like him. You know down south you're, not part of that
community anymore, and so it's difficult to figure out
what your principles and values are, because your constantly jumping from one bucket to the next online and
don't get a lot of like direct like rats,
reasonable feedback from people. You just get dip shit feedback,
go you dont believe this will you're jerk. I think the hard thing currently
having the integrity and characteristic by principles. One under I wanted
murder of in the genghis khan times to our social media, council culture,
by certainly doesn't feel good when people are attacking our social media. Does
a lot of integrity
you are
without anger, without emotion, without
being without mocking. Others are attacking others unfairly stand.
bye
the ideas you hold or
in another way standing by your friends
standing by this little group, like loyalty of
people, the you know, a good people. I find that
in cancer culture. One of the sad things is: whenever somebody gets quote cancelled, everybody just gets all their friends, become really quiet and defend them, or
worse, I mean quite easily sender stand understandable. They kind
the signal that they throw me
the boss, I guess is one way to put it and that that's something I think about a lot
from coming. For me, it's ike.
I hold an nothing of others hold this ethic. Maybe it's the cycle. Russian mobster,
a of like you, should
your friends bear
the body you should.
Criticise your friends for committing the murder like their certain levels of like you yeah you
Have the discussion after you buried the body that
it may be. You shouldn't, have done that murder thing.
I don't know
standard, does a problematic who, through the terminology,
that's a problematic ethical framework within which operate. But at this
in time, it feels like what else do we have in this world except
a brother heard, the system at the love where for very small community but bad that the wrong way.
game. Perhaps the twenty first century will be
find by the dissipation of this community of this loyalty concept.
Individuals
you're right? I think you have to have some sort of core framework of principles.
I believe that you operate on. It
think when I was what I was
Referencing is a little bit different and but to speak to your point, you
you need a framework of core principles on which
you can. Then
base a lot of your other decisions like. I believe these three things to be true whenever they are, and that will help
form. Other decisions, you making your life,
as far as how you treat your friends, I've got, I've got
I will be three friends that
they call me right now said that bear the body silence. I gotta go
there are other people in my life that if they said
we gotta go, bury the body I would say who is this?
So I think it depends on the relationship I wanted it.
good as a really good measure I would love to have. I would love that to be in your profile, people put like pronouns, I would love to put like honesty like,
objectively, not self report, but objective. How me,
for in your life,
They committed murder. You would not ask any questions in you would help them. I, the body.
Loved another number, four people yeah and anything,
It's weird things you because you think right away like oh, came and must be that the group of people that are the closest to you. That's who your first thanking a right, but
They feel like my best friend, I would do
question about it.
I've got to the people, there are close to me that
trust me in other ways, and yet I probably wouldn't do not only because I don't think they do it for me, yeah and
and that is a consideration. So I guess is the principal there, then, that you do for you
friends. What do you think they would do for you? Is that their underlying principle, or do you just
but the wind loyalty to you now
people in your life for different reasons,
people that are not on my inner circle that I probably wouldn't help
to tire two in the morning, if they're on the highway, but if they called me and said, hey, we gotta bury the body I might show up for
it. Is these weird different connections you had as passing yeah. I have close friends that, like I probably be exactly the ties, a good example would be like kitchen
find somebody else to do the, I think part of that is just this leap of faith.
It's like giving yourself to the
person that creates
deep connection that makes life fulfilling my meaningful,
that doesn't exist. If you don't take that leap, I mean it's not about the murder was sort of focusing. I didn't get the I. I think you have to have what
it does cross that bridge when you get there. I'm not exactly sure. Is this just the thought experiment, but it's it's. I I think
analyze proceedings covert times and as like people
come on more isolated and separated from each other like how
important as it to have those deep deep. Can
Since other humans, I think
specially like where your time other have you ever seen a movie the town
the great line in the movie, where one of the main
characters walk into his friends house and he says I need your help.
we're gonna go heard. Some people
can never asked me about it again in the friendly
up any says whose car we taken.
That is the type of person you need in your life in the people like that,
people that will walk through that door and say that you, then you job every
you don't and innocent people the walk. You don't you like. You know what I got a hot pocket in the microwave
I'm a little bit tied up right now by love. You help me out by you know
do that, and you don't have that that deep connection those people
mentioned some principles that you
change your mind on there.
Go there? Is there some interesting principles? And
instead of changing that is useful to talk, but I can't
We cite a specific thing, except that
understanding that the
I suppose that you have at different points in your life? Can change and it's ok to change them without being a total pussy and being bullied by other people into thinking? What you thought was wrong and have you come to the?
conclusions of your.
Volition and you decide to change and that's great and it can be really
it can be really liberating thrilling.
We're to have an idea that you hold so true to hear your core
belief system and then,
actually have some one change your mind for you and be ok with it as a whole.
to being like no, I gotta die with this. I got a diet, is it's
when there are definitely ideas you wanna die on that hill and no one's ever gonna change your mind, but
It's really liberating to be confident enough to say
change my mind, I'm looking after.
In small motherfuckers around me, who can tell me
listen, you're, being a total dipshit thy klutz, but rethink this or
but gave one friend who does the five wise all the time and he loves back me into a corner and was the five wise you just like
someone makes a statement about something to really
the core issue they save you
why five times and make a statement? What? Why is that
you enter or why
phrase the wise differently. Obviously, but then you get
at the core issue. Five times you can get to the core of the issue and
it's a challenging thing, but
Fine, later in life,
so liberating for me to be confident enough to be like
was I fuckin way off the mark on this
and my mom and change and be
to say that others that I was wrong totally dead
ability and I never used to have that in its. It feels real good as a hunger. For that too,
there is your he's. All right at a personal level feels very good. The exact
is, he said, is liberating because you're free to then think, as opposed to defend yeah,
it without thinking, yet it so sick of defending the same thing over and over and over, and you started
think about it, and it's like well.
I would really like to evolve my thought process hearing when you're consular defending you know
point. It is difficult to know,
other ideas in you. You, you discount the possibility,
that you can have your mind change. We are constantly on the defence, but you have never cracking
the front line in order to let a new idea come in and possibly flourish,
and maybe the new idea doesn't even prove your car,
belief system to be wrong, but maybe it's like the the water
HU, a seed and it grows, and now it's something even bigger and better. Now and you can- you can start to work with that instead and it's it's a tough thinks, I'm a stubborn fuck and its
very difficult. For me, it was historic
way to say I was wrong about this one
this one up or now wish I about one back, there's a public figure for me thing to which either
Is it there's a difference between change? You mind with the small circle of friends and changing my publicly about
thing, but it has equal.
One echoes the other. It is equally liberating by people. People not make
change easy,
It doesn't matter, that's that's the point and it doesn't.
I think, is ultimately liberating the human being public figure and not too, are to think deeply about this world and add to keep changing, which is like
I think there is a deep hunger for that in the political discourse that people are so
tribal currently about politics that
want to see somebody who says you know what I changed my mind on this right and
keep changing their mind and keep asking questions showing that they're open minded all that kind of. But would you want someone in a position of political power?
change their mind, because they realise that there might be a better way. Not
because they realise that by changing our mind, they're gonna get a new demographic, devote form.
Its parent, and nobody wants to see that I, like that's right. That's a person
can't separate the there there.
edition from their people? They're supposed to be out here, you can usually smell that that's just talking offline
there's something
about Hillary Clinton was she talked about
changed her mind and gay marriage that it felt like
as a political calculation, verses, ike ray
deeply thinking about like what you know what
things. Do we do in this world that violate basic human rights like really thinking it
deeply in. Of course, politicians are calculating this, but you can see you
is this the thing? That's why I like?
an human level there's like political policies, but there's also humans and I've always liked Bernie sanders, for example
The later perhaps Bernie sanders but ass, those in a back in the day and though it felt
I disagree with me, but they felt like there's a real human struggling with ideas
ever agree with him or not. It felt
He wasn't doing political calculation, you just a human. He couldn't be further
way from my pilot political ideals, but also like there's an
obvious authenticity is passion for what he saying that is
at present and other candidates- and you can see it all these-
would have been in politics for ever, like from all the way back when hilary was a lawyer in the seventies Tis a couple of
to her court room in the seventies, though she said looking all right
let us be glasses? On nick, I have a little bit of a nerdy bay back in the air.
I am well John.
works says a hillary Clinton was a baby back in the day. Three him the deal
that's an interesting question about us
the same politicians do think like
Hillary Clinton. Just Clinton's are generally good example that why do you think they be
over time so innocent it is it the sis
The changes them is that their own hunger for power. Is it what
the or the order they always an authentic? Well, first,
I'd like to say that I don't have you noticed, but I come from a bit of art,
Local dynasty, myself,
I was on the austrian government several times and I got my dad one on the run off
national election in braden, beach, florida anything
like seven hundred people there, so
your dad got you. The job yeah were basically valuable.
in paris to the kennedys, my
yes with the politicians, as that and you can you can
it now as were becoming more like cognizant as people to the political process. I think the process corrupts people and I think
I don't know the ins and outs of it: I've listen to people who are far more educated on the main. I am unpack
to cite any of their points.
I think you can see it a little bit and dan Crenshaw can I say this yet so elegant
I really like dan, especially
a year and a half ago, he said
very levelheaded it.
here to me now that, as he pay
there's more and more to the right. It's because
he's. Setting himself opera for presidential run its course
that's happening any just
it seemed like the same authentic ideals. Oriented guy did he did a year and a half ago
now I could be wrong and that could be way off, but I think that
you can take. Someone is honest, as you want to
start them on that path. To the presidency. You become
so unbelievably beholden to so many people and entities along the way,
by the time you get to the final destination, the oval office,
you're doing is paying back the favours that got you there and you never get to serve the people you're supposed to serve europe. Your private
focuses on your office and not on the people that you're supposed to be helping? I think that's a human,
longest problem in like we could talk all about campaign
finance reform in the two party system, but at the end
the day
people who are running for political posts there,
working to keep a job for not working to improve the lives of the constituents, which is different.
a long time ago, like a lot of
politicians like those warlike part time jobs.
They held other posts in you know out west they were ranchers by day and sheriff
whatever the case might be, but now you are such a
cushy path for the rest of your life, that the goal is to just be a politician. Not do the thing
that you think a politician is supposed to deal denies a problem by the world are taught to down on this bugs,
This way, I, like the version,
him from a year ago and have been really paying attention. Toby,
we pay me
attention now and ask him that exact question like how'd, you prevent yourself,
china changing can becoming what the the
it became I I tend to believe I just conspiratorial software cleanse all these politicians that tend to believe that there were actually good, thoughtful people.
Can the day at some point in the system changes them on the
if even the system.
There's something about just the process of campaigning. I just think it
as you down to where, if you look at the percentage of time
you spend on the kinds of conversations you have it's like one, you
These speeches, which europeans
same thing over and over and over it beats the year. The process of thinking
exhaust your brain to where you're, not thinking anymore, you just repeating is very right- is exceptionally difficult to keep making speech after speech. As a speech
the saying the same thing over and over and over again and at the same time thinking deeply and changing your mind and learning and,
and also the pandering to
financial like having phone calls, lake
on raising all those kinds of things
they do not. They spend most of their time fundraising, raising the worried about anything side and drive
but I was going to say that you can see there's a few or like
the the more
tension in the higher regard your held in your community in the more sycophants like continue to blow,
smoke up your ass, the more chain
is the way you present yourself and you can see it in every walk of life. I mean
it's who is a tiny, tiny little section of the world, but you see
did the do to community when someone all of a sudden starts a social media page or whatever, and they get a bunch of peace,
or like? Basically, like you know,
cyber for leading them on their instagram page. This
they changed the ladys at a word, things up
so giving fellatio yeah circulating, yeah jamie. Look it up, I think
but in those people the village changes their character
changes who they are because they become
emboldened in it you know now they ve got two significant cyber ma,
behind them,
there's a sign at the interests you Jim there is for every moment of triumph. It's a quote by hunters thompson.
Areas for every moment of triumph for every instance of beauty
many souls must be trampled. What is this caught me too?
that quote to me is about mostly about sacrifice and about.
to achieve anything, grey or anything beautiful or to triumph
have to have sacrificed so many things to get there unless you're the most unbelievably genetically gifted
person in the world and greatness is just you know,
falls upon you to rein in from the sky. I think on you
path to greatness on your path to success and triumph. You leave a lot of carnage in your wake personal relationships, other goals, things
didn't pursue, do you no other
unfulfilled dreams- and you kind have to sell a lot of that out in order to be really the at-
the peak of your field or or what you want to be
That happened in my life, I mean there's
tons and tons of relationships that you know
couldn't survive.
The way that I live in my life, because when I was trying to be a big time, fight,
or like when I was just training all the time.
Tons of relationships does
themselves. Naturally, some
so naturally, some people,
At some people, dont get it some people hate you, you missed
of other opportunities, and I think,
that's kind of what that court means me. It's a bit about sacrifice it's about your giving up.
What you want now for what you,
more in its
The trampling of souls is messy to cause it's not clear what what the right path is night that sacrifice
This is not obvious that are, as those rights advice is sacrifices to make you might be
You might be ruining your own life, but the.
Are you willing to take that risk?
and serve
go all in on the weather,
stupid or not to go online on something that the positive
the possibility of creating something beautiful there who says it's stupid
if you're going all and I you don't think it's stupid. Someone else my think it stupid, but I mean who really cares.
what I'm of many minds on many things I feel like their certain mines.
certain most of the day when you think it's stupid,
relationships is a beautiful and witches.
you ve seen a movie whiplash patients. Yes,
It seems, like
in a man's life could
a woman's by? Am I don't? I don't?
as a woman. So I know the man them the little Gaza twenty twenty raw, but my
lived experience for now.
is, that of a man was see by tomorrow, and there is in the pursuit of excellence. There is often a choice of
Some of the souls them must be trampled a personal relationships
with humans in your life that you deeply care about, it could be. Family could be friends
to be loved ones of all different forms. It could be the people that.
Colleagues that are dependent on knew people who will lose jobs because of the decision to make all this kind of stuff. It seems at that
it happens, and
sure that sacrifices always
correct one like
To me, the movie whiplash for people haven't seen the spoiler
Maybe I uneven of that movie. Hasn't he spoilers.
There is a relationship with the female there's, a student as a drummer, as pursuing
excellence of this particular art form.
Of drumming, and he has a
a fleeting relationship where the female
and he says in his structure this pushing him to his limits in what appears to be off
leo out like a toxic relationship- and he chooses not chooses
He naturally make
The decision to set
her face the romance
ikr relationship with a woman in further pursuit of this kind.
Ass of this chaotic pursuit of excellence, feel
that doesn't feel like deliberate decision.
a giant mess of.
An emotional mass where you're just like kind of
fish swimming against strangest psych, fuck it
you, like of all the things that convention
as you should appreciate you, throw it
possibly of stable life. A comfortable life over was this
he says is a meaningful life and just pursue this
crazy thing. Full of tax says seeming toxicity with care,
people surrounding it?
so. I don't know what the right decision is a part of my
he says you should stay with the girl fuck, that structure this making you this
Can you took to places where a site that are destructive
the destructive. I could lead to suicide. Colleen
The two are come
lately fail or fail on your pursuit of excellence or destroy the possible that you destroyed
dream, the passionate pursuit of the thing they ve always dream for in that case is drumming. I don't know
I'm a many minds their god is the right thing to do so. My first,
not our number one fact convention what is convention
if I got some laid out plath path, some linear progression of the way your life is supposed to go like you
that someone can draw a picture of at the end that shit's let responses
wine and whatever in its
I dont want to say that its cowardly, because it isn't cowardly, but for some
and was not conventional to not be
on conventional is cowardly to get sucked into the convention. That's first, second of all
I believe that sea
in the diner in that movie, where he tells her.
You're in my way, because I'm gonna want to be with you or your going to want me to be going out to dinner with you. I know I should be practising or no, I should be training and
Ultimately, I wanna make a meter gonna feel bad about not being with you by train
or I'm going skip the training to be with you. Neither one is right. The whole thing
if they mention, and that is that that's wrong girl. That's the wrong girl. The right girl is a gangster.
The right girl says: oh yeah yeah. You practice tonight
I'll leave you sandwich in some milk, so that you can. You know our outside the door,
Let me know we you're done or you have some like free time. Take the right girl
compliments that she's not
payment in anyway, even
If what you want to do is be with her.
So much
You're, putting the drums down you're, putting the base down or you're picking up the pizza you're, not going to training like that girl
not even telling you why she's making decisions is making decisions to help. You achieve your goal now that,
It sounds like some
like about chauvinistic king in the castle type shit like where everyone she cater to you. But
the fact of the matter is that
it is a compliment to your life and helping you do your thing in
own way, you're helping them to achieve whatever their goals are also,
uncommon they have to
people under the same roof striving to be unbelievably excellent in
in small area, not impossible, but its uncommon,
like relationships have to be like binary systems. I two stars like the gravitational pull is what keeps
together and circling around one another right and in you know,
one is bigger than the other and fluctuate amino. The stars will get bigger and they'll get small in their contract based
positioning- and you know, composition that
The way relationship should be not an asked.
I'd coming in to disrupt you know: you're dead
for of your planet me ass. A binary system is a compliment. Darker was the wrong girlfriend, so you should
like the bay.
Unconventional dreams should not be adjusted to fit into this world. Is there any it there's a part of me. That's like foresaw tat would maybe you're just a dick, maybe maybe
hairs lex, so person who hers
this is by the byways. Somebody who is you
You have recently gun were recently
span of the history of the universe is recently got into a relationship. We always
You have not felt the need to
be in their relationship. Just because you're supposed to buy societies, kind of colonel momentum
viewed. I think that if you really want anything, you ve gotta be prepared fully to be the exact opposite,
if you're a person, who's looking for a relationship. The only way you're going to get in an awesome relationship is by being comfortable being alone, because that's the risk, if your person,
was driven by money. You gotta be comfortable being totally poor, because
the risk right and we went when you're
we are constantly hedging. Your bet you never all in you know,
all in on the thing you're trying to do
our relationship as a compliment. Your life, you can't say it's: ok,
you want to be in a relationship, but you can't want to be in a relationship so bad,
You take someone in who fits the soup and it's like. Oh,
yet your kind of work out you live near me in this, not another thing, because
logistics of a relationship are not always perfect. It's what
matters is when the two people are together. That's the perfect part of it and.
It's great to want to meet people and say if we meet and
some sort of a relationship develops
to run with it, but
meaning, you hoping a relationship, develops, I think you're gonna put the court
For the horse and a lot of those
situations, if like when guys me like
oh guy goes out and, as I come looking for a brawl right,
What he does that you go to the gym and you run into a bunch of dudes and the next thing you know someone's cool and they want to talk about fighting and you're fucking shot.
And beers and all of a sudden you've got a brow and that's how it works. It works the same same way with a shotgun and beers. I'll show you after this and poke a hole in the bottom and you open the top yeah yeah.
This is the problem with america during like, like a man, ok, not dumping,
rules and bears this is the problem of the fat culture.
There really not a drink. They think that oughta drink there not drink. What do you think.
makes a successful relationship with again linger. On that a little longer like, let me ask
john clark about love,
and ask a question. But let me just say: love about love.
Are you one of those people who never says? I love you now now, I'm an extreme per
and like my motions are also extreme
and one of the things
I concern myself with me
This is philosophical and martial arts warrior soldier type related stuff is like I don't know.
Anyone if I die
tonight on the drive home, hopefully that,
and I hope that now
one, is left questioning, I felt about them and people. I d,
like probably, are not questioning that and so that the thing
I've had to learn how to do later in life is to tell the people that you care about that you care about them and
each thing can be equally off putting to the receiver of the message
can be equally williams, lending them when you're letting someone know how much you dislike them that can be off putting to the person receiving that message.
tell someone homage you care about them. They can also be off putting to the person,
depending on how they view their relationship with you. But it's done
and to get it out there. But you shouldn't
should hold those things in because you're worried about how they'll be received or they'll come back at you see
Ok gone all in on these yeah. Do not afraid a commitment.
No, I'm not afraid of commitment. Anyone who says they're afraid of commitment is full of shit. You know what they're afraid of they're afraid of commitment with that person. That's what they're afraid of like
I know one when someone knox you jerk,
are you on your ass and they come into your life in europe
watch with all these emotions? You're not worried about
really like commitment. No, because they ve knock you on your ass, you want to be with them. You want those things that the two most alive
points in your life. I think people feel as the euphoria of a new relationship and the long
the loss. When that love is gone,
You'll never feel more. I don't think then, in those those moments and in your life through the night,
Thing about the loss is it last longer yeah, that's a lucy K point he makes, which is like
That that they got he in his show, I think, is there
conversation with an older german that says like death, his favorite part of their relationship. Is there
period between the loss,
of the relationship and the real death, which is forgetting the person
but that period lasts the longest and that's the most fulfilling like.
Missing the other person is as fulfilling
the actual, like love,
infatuation is interesting, also
The book ass gay. I return to that. There's
little clip of him in an interview.
Saying that I love
is the fog that dissipates would the fur
light of reality, some fight there so basically,
for sizing that it's, this very very, very fleeting thing that it's a it's a it's a moments thing and then it just fades and everything else is
is something else. I love is only a temporary thing, which is
setting some people say
that's go I don't know
not to think of it. I think it's important to understand that every
thing is bleeding when you don't put effort into it. Almost
everything will be fleeting if you open
effort into it, most people will get fat and lazy. If you don't put effort into something, are going to not be good at
playing guitar or plain base? You gotta, put effort into the same thing goes for a relationship that the
the awesome part of it that, like love part,
die soon an early on in a relationship because its
so good that we think we know. After all,
got it we do
How do I keep doing the things you gotta? Keep things new and crisp and fresh and
you know we when you did
people, probably feel differently about this, but ike
an hour you walk around your girl, and you start like far and stuff like that, when it all dies, yeah, that's when it dies. You know
we're all human beings well knew. No, have you know
well here in our bodies, work in the same way, but, like you start to chip away
Dislike beautiful thing, when you, when you stop, when you bought
conventional courtesy, and in things like that,
we'll take it for granted. Take figure for granted. The same thing with life is like.
It's the same big fan meditating on death. They you could die today
in the same way you should meditate. Unlike this relationship, could end today
actual another human could be this. The last time you could die, you could be interacting
your chances of that increase when you take it for granted, and you should on people, but when
work at it. The chances of that decrease snot,
it's never gonna be zero, but a decreases in
when you do that when you
a person in your you're trying to maintain in your trying to her in a word
at the relationship you gotta
make sure that both people are working at it. Otherwise you're, just a fucking chump
let's return back to mix martial arts, let me ask the ridiculous question of
who do you think, are the top three, maybe top five greatest fighters of all time
it's so hard to compare fighters across generally
actions. I may be a one way to say it is which metrics would you put on the table?
as to measure what a great fighters.
There was a guy named dioxin puss
in the fourth century, and he was such a bad ass that in the olympics, in three thirty six pc, no one even showed up to fight him in the pink ration event. Nobody even showed up cause he's fucking everybody
years later he was retired and
this crazy. Macedonian do came there at some dinner, for you now Alex hinder the great ones chillun drinkin, you know whatever they were drinking out of their challenges and
you don't do it.
Threatened them and challenged him so dialogues procedure
what throw down amino they said the time and the place,
Don't do it comes out like
body armor spear shield, although the shit docks was came out,
absolutely naked with a wooden club
and took on this much younger guy, beat the living crap out of a man and put his foot on his throat
and then didn't even kill him in the show of ultimate power for the time. So I think there's something about the guy being naked two issues.
extra demeaning extra d. Me yeah I'll, get you to give me rephrase the question then, because those are clearly going to be
some probably forgotten warriors in history books.
They could to like modern day mixed martial arts in the usa pratt, while just mixed martial arts there who do you think of that,
First of all time. What metrics would you consider in in train
to answer this- perhaps unanswerable question- I think
the things you want to think about his strength of opponent. At the time you fought them so far.
Example, fighting be japan in its prime and beating him is far different and beating be japan last year. Right so to say, you have a voice
over beat a ban is not the same given the time frame of when it happened not to do
Anything away from anyone was being be japan.
just use that, as an example of someone was career, went into a different direction,
I would say
the guy who, I think, has probably the best that people
the least familiar whether it be marilla was demanding. I think
He was a guy who
was one of the guys with the first really good physical.
Hold for Emma may, which I think is
narrow from the chest to the back and long shoulder to shoulder.
Kind of sinewy made out a steel, cable, thousands,
good box thousands
who can russell and thou zero? A great jujitsu here
I wasn't right kit boxer, but
at the time he didn't need. It fought everybody and gave
everybody, IRAN, I think he's probably
one of those guys who's gonna be considered either
few killers than never cosette.
As you know, the discussion because, like I think, greatness, requires both the
the skill and opportunity interview
each other, and when you talk about a fighter
other thing that really a good fighter needs to become great as a foil, yeah and
many fighters don't have a foil, that's one of the biggest.
tracking, I think of early. My thyssen's career, he didn't have a foil
he had no one driving and by the time he day by the time he had a foil unholy filled his career
in a different place, but he he's one of the great autonomy in a really good at a foil. So his greatness was in on on
parallel destruction of like nobody, s well enough.
Beyond of lesser opponents right
and so when people debate in our
level of greatness of my thyssen, that's one of the things they say he didn't find a lotta killers in their prime. I think
you ve, obviously got to say
In that conversation, I have a really difficult time, keeping George
saint Pierre out of account conversation only because
He was able to be you with anything he could. He could out job you
he get out. Wrestle you naked, he could submit you,
the problem I have with fate or is his career also took a drastic.
and towards the end.
And when he was fighting and pride he was doing a lot more.
grappling
I just started casting overhand right at people and
You ain't, gonna, change that point. You can't you getting away from his greatness, but
at that time, the
heavyweights- were not really in fighting and pride in the dinner really exist. Yet by the time he fought a really good one for breach over noon. He did gets matter. There does
does his later performance color, you are you
in our perception of his greatness
that goes in general about fighters now,
mine, but I'm someone who's that intimately involved in sport, but a colors
someone. One else is seamen, innocent silver,
innocence. Others want to fight me seven years or something or is it he had one, that's a guy.
Who, in his prime was one of the best fighters is in the top five for you
he's, probably the top five year greater strike of all time Mona in germany and in mixed marshal and mix martial arts. That's a tough question. The greatest enemy strike
Has the timing, the
words are roma foot sweeps right here.
makes it look easier.
I now understand, sir. I think in an incredibly shit.
sample of his prime
gotta, be anderson silver, and I think you have to consider
nothing we oughta cheetah for
unbelievable manipulation of distance, which is something
People really talk too much about in terms of fighting. Unless you're someone in sport is his, you
distance in the bill,
to like what we call pop out like in may,
miss by one inch so that you can follow your fists back in as you retract it in a hit you over the top that that's a thing
beauty anderson's over when he became a counter striker when he got to his prime and yo see. That was a thing of beauty, ass, a thing of beauty.
So I think definitely those two guys and marilla was
he's gotta be the third guy,
they're, just so many good guys now. So, where do you put in tourism metrics? You must
just be inertia. So I think there are a large number of defenses of a title. Is that important to like this kind of consumers
and domination now, because assume it's it's
easily manipulated by the people making money off the fights? So there is a great
well one time when you, if you would come into prominence anna,
smith, man from the doubly w e? He said you know the difference between what
We you and what you see does is that when we
a superstar, I can make sure he stays on top until he's no longer superstar, because we have predetermine results. Yossi can't do
that, because they're actually having fights while its true and false, you can't do that. But you can give.
your superstars, the most favourable match ups to keep them on top for the longest, so people
talk about title defences as if the guy their fight
the challenger is always the person most deserving of the shot and she's. Not yours, I don't put damage stock in it is possible to put a guide in the unknown in consideration is one of the
rates if all their head is one or two amazing fights I'll. Tell you like
and an amazing could be a lot of different definitions that could be just a war.
They never really reached the highest of excellence of domination, but they've like this.
the discussion about the car bosniak up to me as a perfect example. Here, this famous fight against would be muggah match up shut up
If I were you on one side, you have an anderson silva type of fighter and ends it'd, be like just a very good striker.
like and then there's like.
The warrior on on the cow and just the fight. They created something special
together with was night whatever, but the you that fight.
Special
on that night, because, because the two days partners, you can have
of a great performance without being a great fight or not saying neither those guys his great fighter. But to answer your first question, ah, I
I think that having one or two great performances does not necessarily mean that you're great, when I need a larger sample size, I have no idea what that is. I don't have any idea what that is, and also where
how much weight does toughness have when you're thinking about the criteria. When you define a great fighter, that's debts,
That's a good question
the answer to it
are the underdog, their rises to the occasion, through brute force they didn't
They bring the skill set to the table that, and perhaps some of the great house
rose to the occasion I mean there's something about that. There's something
that until now were-
more talking about like the internal attributes, as opposed to the external physical attributes, and
those are the things. I think that you cannot teach those things.
you, you come in the door and you too have that. Are you don't? I think, and we talked
this all the time- and this is one of the things were my mind- changes regularly the gum. What makes it
minor. Is it? Is it borders it bread? And this week
of the opinion that it in you
and maybe it in a new suppressant and people can teach it out of you, but I don't think you can makes
one who doesn't have that seed in there and I think you can turn them into that great.
Were you at that level of grit and mental toughness now and that that fight when calvin?
to be so unique situation for both guys. It was kind of
later later. Replacement fight for kyle
beat star, was on the rise and kyle put the blueprint out down out of beats a b which is
which is pressure. Him enshrine, drag him into the late rounds. You notice that
later on, when calvin cater for them, they wouldn't given five rounds they
on five rounds in the beats camp from what I understand would not agree to the five round fight. Will you didn't look right so with cows?
We ran fiery round fight, and what did you want to decision and went to decision when you beat one decision? Clearly what did com
a shadowy and third round.
I don't remember the exact score, but cow could have one,
third round eddie donna couple things differently, but I do believe in the fourth,
round and entire wouldn't want a further on, and I think, maybe even when the fight and if there would have been a fifth round and he was pressing forward raw like perhaps
in a funny way that you could turn around
but he felt like he wasn't emphasising like
had movement at that point you for my thyssen. There was, and there was a point at which so it's funny that you say that we have got
interdiction actually because my present a emily. I actually don't know exactly what I mean because he was in the
ok, I think he was trying to do the movement uses in the pocket and pressing forward and like this de facto attitude,
just like, I was a little bit later wins a beat back was towards age thursday. So around the week we get that fight,
I said to kyler like look this kid has been training martial arts, since he was three years old,
There is not an area where you ve been out technical, and so we,
now channel some of that grit that we know you have. This is an opportunity to showcase it
and I don't know how long I did it for. But I am concerned
much shorter than to be self
a good long while, while we're training for is a b at anyone, say anything, and I just had come
of my thyssen. Training on the tv and the jam and the head movement had even mention.
and then we started till I get into it and talk about
you know getting inside the length of the longer fighter and things like that and we we kind of which,
when some people train them and may ok, this guy's a
The good wrestler, let's think about
avoiding the wrestling or be
a better wrestler, and I think that when the
france and skill is so great those
both the wrong answer.
if a guy has a really good wrestler wants to take you down, and you don't have a lot of wrestling experience he's probably going to get you down. If he's got a good coach right, so you have to deal with that.
Then say. I'm gonna then learn in eight weeks how to wrestle better than a guy has been wrestling since he was eight years old is also about idea, so
we concentrated on for that camp and worked beautifully was not getting
in chain wrestling these
I take guns, you're gonna get caught with this,
how to not get caught with the next step, while you're defending take down one, because it's the chain of techniques that are going to fact right. So we talked
we did a ton of work on get up in breakin hands from various
again. That is why we do not remember exactly that
neatly work on
concentrated on defend the first
down and stay out of the chain, don't
changed into a bunch of wrestling techniques. Could you will be out wrestled, and I was really
just one in a third round to beat was tired
and are you tired,
if he got hired, he cuts a tremendous amount of weight. Yeah like I, I can't see him staying at one, forty five forever when they start giving him five round fights. I don't even know if he's on a five round fight any man, but I
I can't see him stay anomalies, because six, one god
it is a giant of a guy, so kyle
were there and he
said he felt that there is no power left in the beats hands, and so he felt fine and I think part of it which he set off
crowd ass? He moved forward and arm. You know
saw that he would
in taking a lot of damage like the punches warrants them he started. Walk
I threw it away
the question of what makes a fighter was the him walking forward like that
something that you born with, or is there something
training. Is that not the mike tyson,
And these worn with that kyle's born with that and the crowd
I've been in austin, knows in new york- is in brooklyn. I've been in a lot of arenas for a lot of different sporting events. That's one of the loudest things heard when he
that I was going crazy an arm you asked,
that being like taught or not
kyle is so much like that that I have to try and t some of that out of him, because he's also solve
a technical when he wants to be a death.
The emotion and the fun of it gets in the way of his technique. In probably, is
ask them a couple of a couple of
in. So that's one of the things we work on with him right now. It's like staying within yourself being a professional. He taken
the time to download the information and round one. And then
starting your fine round here, but the tension between those two things. What makes what
on that day created one. The in my opinion
one of the greatest fight. I've ever seen
you're gonna, greece yeah as one august?
but I've seen him ever seen. So, like you,
his fire use a coach. I can see them
frustration of lake like
throwing away some of the strategy kind of thing
you seem like
being not happy that there could be things that he could have done to win the fight. In retrospect, I think that at that time we were playing with him
credible house money, I can
was a gigantic underdog. In that fight. The beat was unstuck,
Well, I think people were probably picking him to finish the fight in round one. I think at that point no one had ever gone the distance with the beat and no one certainly had you know, put that kind of performance together and I think Kyle ah
but the blueprint out there and in retrospect
When I look at the last round, yet
we're things that could have been done differently, but we're pirate.
money at that point, like I mean let fly you
two point where you ve gotta you down three rounds in his twenty seconds. Left you get him a wire chips to the centre of the table, and you now see what happens.
Or jargon, said about it, as I remember
he got one over ring
have trouble. Remember exactly. We talked about our fight any exception impressed by
jos from Boston. So it's like yeah, I
this story. There is such that unites. You naturally want to romanticize like theirs
rocky verses I this alright on for it or other similar, I suppose chemistry, cows
I'll represents the american ideal, hide the spirits I mean it,
Why starts like you? Couldn't you gotta dragged him laughter
ok, so yeah three hours before the fight and said hey, you want to go fight and he would have said yes, and that was a special fight. But that's.
As per discussion of the greatest fighters of all time, I tend to believe that that fight is more
special than the champ. Indeed,
We should build defences by age or saint Pierre, like there's something to that
Rocky
rocky one,
is more special. Then, like rocky three by so its though that,
but the underdog or whatever like the dance partners, are going to war and neck.
moment the moment, its bigger and bigger than any individual fighter. They create that and that I note that perhaps good for a career
not good for like enters a money in terms of longevity injures, all those causa things, but that's a special moment in history,
fighting that you both created. I can remember like right after, like this
moment, excitement in the air during the third round, and I remember being in the corner and like I I was so
cited at the end of it that I had forgotten what happened in the other two rounds. I didn't even know one and and, and I looked to two sean when their economy- and I think I saw him, did we win when you re watch the fight,
Clearly we do when the fight any we lost the other ass. I got so caught up in that mom
in an I just remember like I was
in all of his perform
that, like I forgot
what is going on and I in it. So
To not be a fan at that moment into stay within yourself in time on a coach, but then what the fuck you even
at that point, it's a wolf, we're rumble
we have thirty seconds we're trying to win here, and I remember like the performance itself
I'm not a fan of moral victories, but if ever there was gonna be one that was one and when,
If I was over, I grab kyle like deeds. The danube
to the centre of the cage yet- and I just hope him I said you're my fucking europe
and I remember
being very emotional about that, and I was able to be a part of that. It is
to say, but I was a kid.
avoided saying it, but I think, if I'm being honest with my feelings, this is a safe space for feel there is, I,
think it was. The greatest makes martial arts fight of everything
and I don't think I'm being bias. I was ass. You think I like am, I being buys. I honestly don't think so. I think that was a graceful
like if you want to rank fights have ever seen it. I think to me that was the greatest fight ever seen. It certainly was one of the greatest
displays of like just dogged effort
from an underdog who was out experienced an
probably outside, but I mean, like you just
because one of those kids you're never gonna, tell him he's out of a fight. He has something you can't teach and I've seen tons of people
with more physical attributes, energy
mental midgets and they got a million dollar body, not fifty cent heart and
in kyle is not that and you can't teacher no matter what you do, but that was
I would say, like my career in combat sports, which spans you know of you, want to go all the way back to like wrestling like
That was one of probably the greatest experience that I've been a part of the bitter sweet. Sport is efficient, mistress.
Yeah, I'm in the tragic aspect of that is on.
like. I guess car lost, so I give you look
the record and other kind of things, perhaps
I get you look at the career, maybe like as
financial, from a financial
perspective. That perhaps does not the
it is time for career, or that already
in the history of the sea. Perhaps it's not it's not. You know like me,
many people didn't even watch that fight, but a special moment that stands in it.
She does not. Many of these in
in the history of fighting. So but at the end of the day, when you look at someone's career in europe, see like.
financially, there's a minnow, a handful.
People that make real money
everybody else- makes nothing, there's a handful of people to make real money so that did that lost cost him.
in the end, the near term sure? But when you look,
on your life. You're, not gonna. Look back on that loss are something that derailed my life financially and I never recovered from it. As I can happen, it like this
The thing is, unless you were a champion- and you know most most, people are going to be forgotten right after they're gone, most people will be forgotten and if you're not forgotten,
certainly, if your accolades are gonna be misrepresented either they're gonna be inflated or diminished, one where the other. So look him.
I got it.
It's just so hard to to quantify that
experience in like when you're in
moment
you're one of the people like
intimately involved in it
the value of that experience supersedes
the financial game, where would you put, could be
in the discussion of the greatest autopsy. Recently we
together we watched the fight,
a famine.
Engaging in and could be retired. Would you put him up there
as some of the as one of the greatest or did he never truly find his foil that, like the great warrior that challenged him
and maybe you do it. Do you think he's
retired. Now
to answer the question about being fully retired. I don't have any idea. I can't for a second pretend to.
Think that I understand the way that people from that part of the world think and respect their family and things like that to an amount
Herkimer says. Oh, I promised my mom. I wouldn't do it. I mean I promised my mom. I wouldn't do a lot of things. I went right out the fucking back door and did them yet, but I think
it means something different to people in different parts of the world. So
I have no idea what kind of way tat carries. So I can answer that I can
and say to allow
at times when people think about great fighters, they think about the asp-
that make up anime
they think of Emma may as a pie and they're all the.
Different pieces that make up for make up the pie,
It is this peace and how good as this peace, in our good as this peace, when
fact of the matter is.
You only need one really really really good piece in the other pieces are complimentary pieces to get you.
to where you are the strongest and if,
wanna tell me there could be
not the greatest enemy fighter, because here
have really slick striking you
May god argument, but what I can tell you is copied has
enough striking to get him to his grappling where he is clear,
really the best guy one, fifty five they ever seen. So does that mean
The greatest fighter, edna, not division or not to your point about the foil
They want o connor to be his foil. Any
manhandled em, I mean
they wanted then happen did not happen. So there
there is a kind of argument you remained, which we caught him
not you get haters and this argument, and
and you're going to one of the hairs gas, because I know you're hush are put at last.
of admiration, fur conor macgregor, but you know what is it for bosnia
benches yeah, there's there's a sense. Were you know that conner
there's an argument to be made that conor wasn't exactly dominated that he
I've been dammit, meaning then you phrase it differently is there's a lot of points in the fight that it could have a different trajectory,
right, could have happened, so he wasn't so far from having a chance at winning. That fight is just the end.
You can follow. It is the most important moments at the end.
That is the most important moments right, but
the road less taken, it could have been if he didn't lose those very important moments.
we had a chance out? I'm saying out of all the people that can be fought,
Is arguable that corner was up there of the people they had a chance? Let me say this: first,
I love you so much. Heed for love could be a huge.
van is I'm. A grab were first and foremost need to, because I'm also russian, I love could be
calm down okay, but when, when when connor came on the scene, I loved connor, because I'm an irish american and you know I want to support him and things like that, and he was. He was good fun. He he got
for my personal taste, you got to be too much.
all the people could be has fought
I would never forgot her again. If I were him,
here's. Why? And I said
about the day s fight, nate, dears,
who is one of my favorite fighters- has fought the exacting fight for twelve years. Conner
which something up to give himself an edge, and I
leave that connor would figure something out and fight number two. I think, but I also
they gave you would give, could be problems where it wouldn't be
matter of I'm gonna out. Wrestle could be or
come better at
Funding his wrestling takedown conner
figured out a way to not get wrestled. I feel like
he's constantly changing, he's constantly evolving and
whether or not people realize it or not. I think connor's, one of the better overall athletes and emma may just from looking at his body in his movement and the way he shaped he's got a very tiny waste. He's got really pronounced, galoots and shoulders and I think he's for a real
after it was a lot of guys in a mayor not for real athletes, they're just good at one of the things that makes up enemy.
I understand what you're saying about. If this
If that happened, but
you could say that about every single combat sports than ever. If spinks his hook line
and I landed on thyssen. Maybe that fight demand the way that it did not you not. It didn't ya, see right, but if you can
talk about just conor macgregor first second, I can't wait
to get your fan, mail or hate mail. Speak too
innovation of carter. I don't hear very many people making this argument, but is it possible
make an argument that car macgregor is one of the greatest fires of all time.
It's an interesting argument and the problem. The only problem with the argument is
so much emotion on either side. Yet I had a conversation. Sorry to interrupt with the urine.
who is a philosopher, objective, ist and which
the philosophy of vine rand,
And the amount of emotion around that particular human, his fascinating to meet someone
two of the amount of emotion around donald trump. You can think of different person,
maybe you're musk, those
but that aren't willing to have mind changed
two emotionally attached to the argument here, but if we
that? Why do we? Why why some people inspires so much emotion
and others don't become a regular. I feel like nobody's able to have a calm like a fight analysis of the guy. Like look to me as a gesture,
fan of martial arts, like I said
judy. I want love watching just hours of jail in pig judo and appreciating are from like I forget, the humans involved
Tell you in air, whose have you a heavy weight and most probably most domino heavyweight in his
have just studying his gripping, just the art of it and who cares if,
shit. Talking to me, I I put
that aside and just look at the art and
like what I really appreciate about how to Macgregor is his innovation, like of movement of
Maybe it's romanticized. Maybe you can correct me, I'm just a chill eating fan of much martial arts.
Like ice. I seem to detect more
innovation than almost any other fighter that I've pay a pay attention to incur caught him again,
I think the first two I'll answer in two parts? I think well, I'm not going to answer the first part of the comment, because you didn't ask the question:
What was the question? How do you remember about the-
Conor macgregor fans are very emotional and canada, gunnar detractors, a very emotional I think, fit
has become very emotional. They become cheerleaders of someone, conor, macgregor or donald trump, because they see that,
person exhibiting the qualities that they themselves lack?
cheerleaders for that right, and I think that for the most part people
Detractors of connemara figures do not really conor macgregor detractors detract
of Connor supporters there's a beef that they have with the people in that bucket.
It is not really a problem, and that applies probably in on current political climate right donald trump.
with the left and the right, there is more about lake
they are there
actually I don't like, on the other, the caricature, the most extreme version.
Of what they see in this report is of the other side. He asked
by adding the more interesting thing is that the fighter himself, so, let's put the sport, is a side I would, I would say,
you know what
some people now some people don't knows corners bases in karachi and
the karate style,
caught him again or stephen thomson ugly?
mathilda- that
above distance management a lot of times
we think. As marshall artists, we think that the sport version of the art
chosen to pursue some-
attains the authenticity and the effectiveness of it.
Point. Karate is what led to that in and out distance management style of corner of the oda and of stephen thomson. They all
I use it a little bit differently, but they use it very effectively. All three of them in that comes from
a world of trying to kind of like steppin
land contact on you for my point and then get back out before you can. Counterstrike me right now
where that comes from corners
stiva longer arms,
then summoned his height, probably normally has.
Movement is just so far
would he so athletic with god
the hinges of his body, the means and the hips
the swivel of his body, which also the hips and shoulders his movement is dead
since in the way he sets people up for the straight left hand, while yours,
circling away from it and he can still land it, which is what he did to chad. Mendez hit him with a stick.
left. While he was circling away from it,
that is something that is very beautiful to watch in some
those people see the kicks
and they see all the flashy snap kicks in the sidekicks. All that stuff
he's doing, is setting people up for the left hand at all. It's doing it's your call
Alan people you're following people, your leading the dance and you're bringing them,
spot. Where you know you can learn that left hand and his ability to do that is masterful,
People constantly shit on his ability to grapple on. You know because a couple of his losses have been too jujitsu guys or grabbers, but it too
the good guys,
anyone who's going to sit here and tell me conor mcgregor is not a good grappler grappling yeah. Let me see you grappling
to that point also say
people will use Conor macgregor ex guard sweep on night Diaz as evidence to
High level grappling in that fight,
I would also counter media
fight that off because he knew he was so much better at you, jets off the bottom aid and even care if he got swept so
it's kind of a gunnar, innovative, absolutely is
one of the best fighters. Ever it's tough task.
because he's such a cash cow that he was fed people. I firmly believe.
No one whom coup put that Conor Macgregor could be played together, thought could be, but when
I remember so at that time it was not completely clear. There is a myth,
the great could be re, wasn't completely clear. How good is he really say that
interesting think any was unclear how good
corner also like were discussed. I think to me
maybe part of my admiration. Conor mcgregor is rooted in the fact that I
there's no way he beats josie.
and I thought there's. No definitely no way he be thirty hours and so like,
He did. I was like tat, I might might I add. My brain was like
there's some broken it shut down like on windows. I rose to rethink this make. This is especially human.
people are you he's not even in the running of like top. Twenty is
If you look at the number of defences, for example of his body, he had very very little boy
to me. I'm one of those peoples backyard discussion of like do moments, make great fighters that I think-
being able to be josie all donors- I would argue in his prime some people- might disagree in this.
In a way were like figures out the plaza gets in his head
the entirety of the picture and then to be
I mean any others. Would he be?
consider rig strong wrestler. I like they were not not strong rest,
the strong striker rest of a good, the combination of it and also one was the other russia. He fought members chairman
let me come in and all those if I may so I
the chad, mendous fight life,
and there was a jew
If the tournament were out in vegas, and so me and my best friend came out and we got some tickets, that night was supposed to be the.
first, the audio fight
other got hurt like right after about the tickets
they pull Chad members in. He was a little bit out of shape.
Are you still going to fight the fight? But I don't.
I dont want to use that fight, as evidenced connor's greatness, because you know they pull Chad mendous in use like hunting in turn, can beers in the woods and was a little out of shape, but
you want to talk about greatness that surpasses year,
in ring accomplishments.
In the stands at night. In the past,
well, that came from ireland to see conor fight that night single handedly set the market?
a hotel room prices and airline tickets to vegas that weaken these mother
Workers were all dress like corner in the stands. The ad wolves
suits on and big beards and the whole thing I mean I'm a priori pocket watches like I. Never
some more people trying
to be someone else. Net
some more people try to be someone else. I mean. There's a level of
Is there a level of greatness? In that I mean I don't know how to like party or that out you're someone who doesn't admire that? I love that in this sense the following says. I think people don't seem to hold this belief at all. But to me fighting is not just.
This isn't like a quiet street fight,
that nobody watches. This is also. Spectacles is also story. Right, there's like there's a profound:
resting arm into this. This is not like you. You think it's just about fight
just about fighting you, wouldn't I mean there's a story,
tuna guesses right you're, just trying to get to end, like greatness, has to incorporate the people that criticism
has again. I might be wrong in this, but I honestly think that economy gregor not new.
as much as could be, but he is a true marshall artists. I think he respects his opponents, despite
The talk I, if maybe I'm, misreading it, but it feels like he is
storyteller like a
son and type of like he's, constructed this image to turn the two are to play the story just the way he acts.
After the fight the honor, he shows as opponents yeah.
There is a real martial arts is in there and to dismiss the fact that the than the story of the fight is part of it, because he doesn't just shit. Talk this. What people don't seem to understand he
good shit, talking very good, and I am I'm with you on a basically everything. You said, I think, there's
Greatness to that, and I think that he understands how to sell a fight, and I think.
What he did to jose out by getting in his head helped him when that fight. He insult
Did they I'll go in his country, so much that
He knew how there was going to come forward right into that left talk was faint brazil by the way,
remember I dont recalls. I know I do the sultan doll of brazil. May I assure you it s in brazil, but when
just do it could be. You could tell the aegis. It's not gonna get, it could be said, could be was unflappable, but there is there
is definitely something great about
how he moves- people
the irish are are like I mean Conner,
walk out music for people,
from ireland and of irish descent, like that shit is very deep near you know,
it's very emotional song. I was to be honest. A little bit upset with could be that he didn't rise. I admire or that entire culture
there's an aspect to where he could have risen to the occasion of
There is the same kind of depth of love of country
that russia has
and is there in dagestan, dogs?
it is a little weird in terms of like, but he could of with special with putin support were
arr a bit the full russian hat of like this
the great nation like rise above.
the the culture of dagestan
and which is the small town boy, with a small town values of family, all those kinds of things
there's a moment. Will you inspire entire nations leg the stuff
bob and be the foil to the to the grey economy.
Megawatt were also could be because the floor to like both both of them at the fourth each other and become like that
fight was already a grey fight right, but it could have been something historic ali versus freight. I mean it could have been really historic and I
Would argue- and I guess
biggest disappointment. I have- and I understand it, and I also honour as the marshal artists but two,
I am disappointed that could be doesn't seem to even
Consider the possibility of doing in moscow fight number two so and because that could
the narrative wise, if they do it right,
as one of the could be one of the greatest fights in history. Yeah
I think in terms of could be an inspiring a country is
Possible that, by staying true to the values that he had his entire career and getting to them,
the zenith of of his art form.
And still doing it in their amber way. Is it possible that that inspires yet one hundred percent? Sorry, I should ask
fi that I think, they're just hearing from people from my fellow comrades is day love that they love
the love that, but they are due
so a brash beer, chugging shit, talking thing that people really like about conor non. I do love that, but the
Four narrative would have been the clash. The real clash of those cultures so could be.
it is to live the culture by walking away there.
Also like a clash of them serve what walking not walking away.
The fire by walking into the fire of this of this practice,
It's the sort of the
who collected like calmness
of the dagestan people. I don't you talk about the site. Your brother yet said the dvds view it totally differently, and you know
There are stereotypes about the irish where there may be
can't you allowed or more boisterous culture?
and I heard that
and I mean I thought they each played their part perfectly and
All those things that you're describing could have happened, maybe could be stepped up and he carries the proverbial
why so to speak, for a nation of people may go to battle, but the fight.
plays out the same way. It is still the fight and it was a
ok, fine, it wasn't a great fight, it was, you know, the fight was okay and I think that.
again, I don't have any idea. What could beads obligations to his family are. I know
think either. Those guys you know is
want for more money to do another fight
is just a legacy thing. It's just a ah enough.
killing some some part of a legacy,
I just I admire the person
of a great legacy that data is bigger in either the fighters. I think what could be here
VON he's, not
concern about legacy. I think right. There
you're promoters dream because you
onto rematch
and you're gonna make more money than the re matches. The trilogy. Yes split, the trophy split, the
imagine hope, Conor winds and then yet the trilogy fight,
now, you're, all in
I can get to. Computers have had, but I know Putin, just a guy
In the entirety of it, especially at the time, especially if it was trump as president of a
He was ass present at the time and an putin and
in russia, and just
knowing how masterful connor is at like, because gotta would would be
different conor, I think you'll be a calmer conor you'll be a different like
you're gonna be over the top corner with the russian people. As is like went down on reality that that was
episode in
hotel in brooklyn here, when
some of the russian guys confronted arden,
then connor came over it's not a, but that that day,
In view of that, I mean there is the element of just like real danger and the real is almost of war. Its manners.
it was like when, when when jail sentence, was talking so much smack measures against vandals solar.
I dunno is one of those fights where they they just didn't. He was going to make it out of brazil. Yeah yeah, americans don't get it yeah. The
people take some of that shit in different parts of the world very very seriously, but that's what makes the beautiful that sir
as it makes a great story- and I think fighting is very much about the story- is not just about this, the the
regular outcomes of fire. The skill said matching or take the chest
of the of the fight is also about the story
a greater ike context of societies.
of warring were like warring cultures. Lears though we still got worse
we are no longer can have great big hot wars between nations
because a nuclear weapons, this
our words that we can have an
in ireland. Some sense, I feel robbed of the great war that could happen. It doesn't mean there are lots of wars
going on, but you had a big one is not gonna happen. There's too much of a balance of power with me now nuclear
weapons in technology and stuff, but it's not the end of war.
Do you think, there's always going to be war
always be war.
sleep under developed parts of the world.
Isn't there always under developed, relatively parts of the world here mean
some point, thou you'd think carrying away the way that you now technologies expanding we're, bringing technology too weird parts of the world that you wouldn't.
Think of ass technologically advanced. The way that are
chinese or inhabiting certain areas for mining purposes, and things like that. I think under
all parts of the world will get developed quickly. I just wonder
what the nature of that one may be, could be cyber and could be all those kinds of things I think developed nations. It's gonna be cyber, I think, that's probably the next phase of war, but I mean I think you talk about parts,
like the middle east and it's you still gonna be warring tribal factions. We can't even
begin to understand what those people are fighting about over there. Yet yet everyone sitting in america on their couch has an opinion like the
can even begin to understand and I are sure, can yeah as back to the principles
and when one one
what's violated as much deeper than just caravan. Anything we can. Even
in a middle class existence, I don't even comprehend a lot of times. American soldiers will go to war, because that's what they're told to do- and they might maybe they disagree with the orders, and maybe they agree with the orders, but I get a sense that people in the middle east fighting
I believe, in what their fighting for it's. Not it's, not a thing where there,
to go to, and I believe there they re
We believe that what they're doing the right thing in they're defending some sort of principle
Are you generally optimistic about the future speaking a war?
human civilization, giving
well you know people talk about
the firmly paradox
king. Why haven't aliens visited us if you believe the haven't visited us ill
one of the thoughts is that there is a kind of a great filter that
intelligence civilization, reach a point where
destroys itself. Naturally. So that's why we haven't seen em they dont last, very long. There does
To be a kind of way
seems to adverse effects and faster faster. We give developing more and more powerful wasted, destroying ourselves in all kinds of ways.
not even here
even to say nuclear weapons alone, but there
cause new ways: engine
your pandemics net
technology,
asia? I
gaza things it's it's
seems to be that the art,
with that. We go out.
To destroy a thousand some kind of creative way very shortly as
not too
crazy of an argument to make. Are you more optimistic or pessimistic about the
prospects of human civilization and maybe the twenty second century? I guess, if possible,
that your generation is the last generation to be alive on earth. No, but I
wouldn't say that five generations from now that won't beach, that that could be true
I think that really selfishly I'd
they believe that
when your time here on earth is over
the overwhelmingly vast majority of people will be forgotten within twelve calendar months. People with no,
and they will be forgotten sooner
and so I don't give a lot of thought to what will happen to earth or mankind when I'm gone,
I give more thought of maximizing my time here now and,
what to do in a way where I know ah
overly hindering the future of civilization are humankind, but I'm
we are taking a me first approach. Now I live on earth. Do if the law
feed behind why you have or don't have kids on this topic, because for many people and they have kids.
There is a sense if someone-
like a genetic sense or something like that were
all of a sudden, you do start caring about what happened five generations now I mean, I think, I'm just too selfish per annum.
I think that's the easy answer I got
I know that your whole life has to,
and you know, you're you're you focus everything shifts and just
Don't you also like. I think that there is a level of I agree.
If I have to like really on packet,
It's probably a level of lack of hope,
the future. Like, I don't think it's. I don't.
the world and humanity is going in the right direction,
the regulation. Look like, I think, the right
direction, looks like people come
back together in a more impact for
human way in
in touching
feeling talking face to face
so all the things you are describing what we had as you mention
before when you were like a teenager, yeah, so the state of the world
your mind was form then very well could be heroic, obey server.
Whether the virtual reality was that will create, will be actually a much higher level of existence. In fact, like now we're getting we're moving
slowly away from tribalism, perhaps you could argue the ideas of nations and
We're going we're moving into the realm of ideas and it could be a higher
of existence where we're serve
we passed the costume
of our meat vehicles into this
of our minds. It depends what you value, because when you sit here you talk about it, you know you're talking about these things and
humongous levels on these macro levels.
and I don't think a lot of people view that way. I think
people. Viewed as like what am I gonna peter my getting tonight I get to
it's a much different outlook and the
the virtual world that are on the horizon.
it's got benefits in work and will help people, but is he gonna,
the things that you find valuable like was
help? Commerce, ok, sure is at the thing you find the most valuable. Is he gonna help?
unification will. Italy
disseminating information is gonna, help, explain the information or disseminating, probably not. Is it gonna
inter interpersonal communication? Absolutely and those are things I find valuable interpersonal,
medication talking
People like the like
it saddens me when I go into a restaurant in there's five year old kids, like you, know slamming away on an ipad and can't make eye contact with anybody or teenager
who don't say please and thank you when they order from the waiters like that to me is wrong that shit's wrong in. I don't know this for a fact.
But I do a tribute that to you no use
technology is a crutch when we're asian raising kids. I think those are
those are things that I find valuable. I tried it.
But that doesn't mean I agree with you as a person grew up in a certain age but like prior to the internet, I suppose, but or at least so
fight the early philosophies of the way through the world prior to the injured. During
time available. Let's put it
was it a screen in and around one ok
did I was the last person I do to get a cell phone. I was
so anti all that stuff, because I just felt like I, you want to be a part
I did not want to be a part of it. I I I joined the underground forum about anime in two thousand or two thousand and one when I first started training and I think
I did the tail and I gotta myspace, but I didn't have any that stuff. Many want any of it.
I don't know why I just as I was not into it. I felt like like
what are the good things that are gonna come out of it money. I'm gonna get my package in two days instead of four days so make my life better. I try to
I deeply empathize with a lot of experiences of other people and like one of the things I love like the smell of paper books and books in general and
the early on five years ago. I gave away all my books.
yeah, I'm really going to try to fall in love with the books in the same way,
before, but now with the kindle are now kindle like
a white whenever the e bogey reader he reader,
and I'm still not there, but I've been color trying to follow over their expense,
the same way I try to think like tunisia really into tik tok. Now I'd make these short videos. I try to consider the possible
that their existence will be much happier, one enough had because
this kind of interaction is it for miser skeptical perspective as egg
Attention span so short. They don't really deeply think or deeply experience things. They construct
a social layer that they present to the world and they were
can creating this social lair like the presentation to the
world much more than really sitting alone, with their thoughts and sadness as in their hopes and dreams and fears and like working on the
project that is their their own make actual person exists business physical world, as opposed to work on the project of a particular social platform, but they show, but, like perhaps there
project like who cares, who you are in the physical space may be,
what you are is what your instagram shows that the more important project to work on four was reality is endless rally. Reception is reality right how other people, priests
eve, this constructed thing down
their reality of you. What is it your reality, like that? I mean like we said earlier: it's what what you want, how you
want people to see you
very rarely in life,
with how you really are or how you see yourself, and
mean. I can remember, being like a thirteen year old kid and like you, you go through a bunch of you know weird thirteen year old kid shit like
in my room, like turning a red light on and listening to like a sad record and, like you know, china,
you're out, what's going on inside some of you
it? Sometimes you don't like it, but I feel like
experience at our last. I'm kids closely connected to a fallen and like do you know
What the remedy for those situations is. Nowadays I got an order. They make a tick tock video today they blog about it.
they do not make a video on
nobody blogs anymore, but whatever man
our vision.
do a story about this.
happened to me and blah blah blah blah blah, does that actually help them work it out or does it just
it more noise and more static on how to get to the root of the problem and learn about themselves are not fish. Social networks are
exactly I do know. I'm shallow does feel go with. Somebody clicks like on something. I think that
moreover, drug than an actual deep
long, lasting fulfilling happiness but browsers away
You make a social network does lead to long
asking happiness, that's somehow detached from the physical meet space, I don't know, but it feels like
Do you want to give that a chance? Do you think, when people up,
liking. Things on social media: do you think there's just
group of people, an overwhelming majority of people that are going to, like whatever you put out there, they're clicking like and then there's another section of people that just constantly scroll and like scroll like and scrolling like like. Do you think
when you get a like unconscious.
You put out that that, like perhaps came from someone who normally doesn't like your content but like you've, just change their mind on
something? Oh, you you, you ve turned them around on it. I tend to think that when I
light tron social media dosages
if the people that, like all my shit, no matter what I say like they probably don't even read it like, I could put the most prepared
first thing up there and you still gonna get a handful of same exact likes assisting.
I like the way she likes you can. The EU is not what things are heading. We want as you
the social media as a battleground of ideas and like? Is it
I have indicated that the best possible, like as an indicator of like of the
of you. Winning over somebody on an idea really appreciated idea. Ass, the best possible way to me alike, is just to strangers.
smiling at each other, like a like a moment of like, like, I got you bro, he had that chabot yeah like this bump, like
we're in this fuckin thing together. This
thing, doesn't make any sense but were in this together and I yeah possible for likes to be
that I think the actual clicking of alike.
think social media at his best might be. That word sake. I got
You brow ass, a large scale as opposed to come
this week
dad, I'm crazy,
dopamine where everyone just obsessed with his legs and likes him, and then
vision drives like more of the cycle
weird anxious engagement? I think
it's just the dark version of it in the early days of social media, I think you called
a battleground of ideas, but I think social media is nothing but a battleground of fragile egos will but humans a fragile. He does I mean
Maybe, but I think a lot of people I think article.
social media there, the most fragile ike.
would you be doing all the things you're doing? What what would you be doing if you weren't
You weren't, podcasting and posing a things you do on social media. What would
Be doing you'd probably be much the same guy right, but I think
and social media.
fragile ego people
what you see on social media is not what they re doing without social media that make any sounds like you're europe,
maybe your mission is probably somewhat congruent your path now you're does utilizing social media, but I think a lot of people
social media has changed their path and now they're doing something totally.
Four into them
and their only able to do it may be because of social me. I think it focusing on a particular moment
in time of people in their less great moment,
a guy in there less great version of themselves? I think you just
focusing on the massive struggling to are to become the
as version of themselves, and then you yeah sure forbes,
it of time others days
weeks and months, he could be a shape person on the internet. I think you're
focusing on that, unfortunately, social media platforms,
for size. They love it. When you're like that, when you
doing great in your own
in your own life because,
we see the exiled increase engagement makes it more susceptible to than arguing
and they really get pulled into a conspiracy theories all cast off
the other side works too. I think there is also the people on social media like fronting like
these positive figures and, like you know oak,
one of the giant that whatever it is the positivity that this view out, but in real life they the most negative fox you ve, ever met in your life and their just so full of crap and its use you people playing to an audience. It's a guy, like you said like that
It's like a politician, sometimes like a politician wakes up one day and they decide. Who is the group
can pander to the best to get the most likes equals votes in this, the on social media people wake up in
whether it's conscious or not, what's the group
can pander to the best to get the most likely. Is it
positivity motivated crowd. Is it the woe? Is me crowd like what is it who,
gonna. Give me the most likes. That's what I do
I don't know how to argue against. I guess it's it's. It rings true what you're saying, but I just can't refuse
believe it. I guess I'm pandering to the optimistic crowd like
I met with my marketing team and I just feel that, ah, ah love has the best, would you call it?
as a lot of people that accused me of being like exactly that, which is why he you're being positive. It's well cause I'd like to be that fear.
But I wouldn't think I wouldn't who you someone who panthers now, but I guess
I'm saying, is like
it's easy to say that everyone is pandering but, like maybe
they're just trying
I do believe that social media platforms could encourage people when they're trying to be the best version of the cells. Whatever that is, could be like connemara you're talking shit. It could be just being positive, it could be actually creating called.
in this world pudding
structural videos fujitsu or like inspiring students who competition about all this
things, education counter, I I think that people are trying to get it
and I believe that people want to be good
they want to be successful, whatever their definition successes in their car struggling to. Do that and there just awkward at it at first and like it's easy to focus on the awkwardness, and
the stumbling around as people have that many start shooting at each other? If he's gonna
We said on that, but I think that just like people, you white bots,
There's more wipe us in the world than there are black blackboards began the chance, the kind of girl I think on
social, if you put your stuff out there, whatever your stuff, is your content, your views or whatever you? Let that
it's fall where they may, like that's a diff,
thing than being. Like I'm gonna, I'm gonna try
what I normally might say put it this way, because I want these people to like it,
in terms. I also think
different viewpoint than you do on people wanting to be successful. I actually
I think that many people want to be successful. I think people want,
have the appearance of wanting to be successful, but to be successful
a shit out of work and most people don't wanna put that work, and so they craft this
persona of a person who's trying really hard, but you can't catch the break or you know these motherfuckers with
getting back on. My grind, you know,
grind. You been on a couch as so disagreeable.
I get it. I get to you, you that's your phone
You enjoy that guy in the council. The cheetah? That's does that?
motive, wages own it be like don't
look back on a going back on the couch. Yet while you
like David goggins, who is like talking shit and one guy with eating cheetahs and in so doing inspires millions to like to actually pursue their success. I get
by just think that most people really do want to be a success,
and are like our trying
or a car they keep failing, so I mean, but why is
What is a continuum sorry to interrupt? You but the goods
a person's overweight. Do you not
that person wants to be skinny? Of course they want to be skinny. They just don't
wanted enough to put the pizza,
or the pie down and go to the gym. They want
but they wanted to be easy. Of course they want to be skinny forever.
it wants it to be right? Of course, local people want to be
successful. What do they want it enough to do the work
Think they do. I think the easy
To do is to create
an outward face
persona of the person who really wants it and you
yet the same reward from a lot of people, as
Britain, who actually is successful very few p,
differentiate from the person prisoners found success and in the person who
showing you how they're trying to get success on social media
people see. That is the same
I see you're going after the marketing dollar, their represents the other people who want to work hard. I like it,
You were started a pocket
recently, however, called which people probably from
conversation. Can I guess we didn't really talk about politics much or the fact
a business owner, the fact that you're a red, blooded, american and love this
country a marker
we would really talk about that, but from the name of the park as they can probably in for it in the name, is please allow me good name,
What have you learned from doing this pike ass? What's your hope of doing a spike ass
people to their fate. Listen, do you have a few episodes out your damn good at it with
is very interesting,
sure you'll evolve and change, but so this is
the early days, I'm curious to see what goes, but why like? What
thinking around. It has an
intellectual, putting your thoughts out into the world
one of the things that covert did when we're all kind lockdown was
as a business owner. It made me take stock of what the future of brick and mortar businesses
voice been reluctant to
being online presence in any way just cause. It's not my thing, because I believe that I'm a force of nature and people need to experience me right,
and the few characters that twitter has faced here, I'm not enough. The force of nature does John Carter. You. I want you to feel physically on comfortable around this.
The hours of me being comfortable. I'm scared for life,
so I thought that that would be one of the ways in which I can increase like I came to the conclusion that, with the
the lockdown and potential future lockdowns. You know
in order to pay my mortgage and you,
bar tab
robs hubs control there,
need to find answers,
waste, her door. Last legs you one he's grabber hubbard above such data. They actually do third ash nuns gang.
walk to your local food. Eleven Yang gettin get the food. Don't you can order seven eleven from don't ask for from postcards called lex
I guess I'd better
I thought it was I go. I should probably increase a little bit my online presence and what would be a way to do that?
be fun for me and entertaining, and I thought well
a lot of people in yourself included that I know I've got some pie gas and I find that inspiring an unfortunate
a bunch of cool motherfuckers that you know I can.
Talk you about a lot of a wide range of topics. The dinners
I drop in there's an aspect to which pakistan does capture the force of nature butter in india.
Reform by casting catches,
forcing nature of a human being better than other media. Perhaps yeah. Definitely there's that I I just pollack.
Do you know you know what,
midnight and you're in the bar,
and you get a sense that you know the bargain closer ninety minutes, and you think you know nothing
People have seen me yet
and maybe we should go to another bars and more people can see me. I feel like
casting is like is like,
for me? Not enough. People have heard my thoughts and I feel like
My mom raised me to be a giver. She didn't selfish and
god's that? I think that
guy, a waste if you didn't give it to the world, people seem to really enjoy them, yeah nigh.
For a while. But while I probably been on my best behaviour today, I'm on this episode of the outcasts so few
de the uncensored unfiltered, the full spectrum of the FAO,
Some nation is John clark
you, you go you go to the park as you funny enough. I think
drinking throughout most of the bike ass,
yeah particular so the only last like an hour, because you seem to like
I'm guessing the easiest, lose it. What our like sex cinderella turns into a frog.
One of the things on learning is
Times you have great conversations when you're drunk in something
you don't like I was so I went into it with the right drunk at its silver mentality. Thus swimmingly hemingway here.
But turns out that.
Sometimes you don't that much to edit when you're super shit, faced
and so
scaling that back a little bit and would mean exactly by illegal workers.
Go wrong. You're drunk I'm curious about back sir, he gets a. U s,
So when you have a personal relationship with the person that you're talking to rather than china puts put some ideas on display for other people to hear and maybe talk about you
just haven't like a conversation with your broad out inside jokes, and is I gotta think it's not that interesting?
What want cycle watch! You know barn watched you, people
at the sitting there getting drunk and talking to each other is different than this
to like strong discourse. Yes, one interesting thing as
you're on a family affair joanna for a long time, and he has his friends over a lot right.
and then there is the aspect of three four five. Our conversations are really enjoy. There's a magic to those. I think he taught the ward.
Kinds of love for conversations can work the what you forget.
Joe rogan as a comedian. His friends are also celebrities, ike
they know what it's like to be on the mike. They know there is
the challenge to actually having your friends on a microphone currently like that
nevertheless, the first time I have been a microphone and it s actually what you ve been doing with the various new experiment,
and you find this
a are more awkward than others like they're trying to find like what do. I do this kind of thing why
Why do you not talk to strangers? Why did you go with people that you're actually notes
So the simple answer is the people that I selected are both interesting and I thought would be good at talking.
Then I noticed the thing you just mentioned. My buddy positively.
or impose a wild man. If you went out with Paul, he can talk
A brazilian topics to a certain took two to a significant level of
right, you got a good understanding and got a unique perspective on a lot of things and I think
he was the first guy invited on my podcast and
it was almost like. You
and a little bit less than natural about.
The time he loosened up with some drinks. He was it just we're all shit. Faced, though, never does,
they shift of total here totally, and so
It's gonna come back on and he'll be,
we're comfortable with it and and it'll probably awesome because he's a great personal taught you
had my friend dave on whose a restaurant, your enemies musician
that one will be released pretty soon, but
Should I had a guy on who you might really enjoy listening to a friend of mine is names, markleham
he's an endurance athlete and he's been compared. He's been called
the white Dave goggins an arm. He talks about
like those comparisons in what he hates about it, and the various events and stuff and he's just a guy who's, just always kind of like natural and, like I knew he'd, be great to get on the podcast and
I started with friends who I thought could handle it and
who also arduous really interesting people. Anna and I did it.
So that I could also establish a level of comfort because it was a new thing for me and they were. I knew that they wouldn't really give a shit when I was down and I hate it
cool. I'm going over jaycees house we're gonna drink some tequila and talk shit, there's just going to be a microphone there. This time.
It's amazing, what you're doing the freedom of it. I mean you're, not currently doing a advertisement or any of that kind of stuff. You just exploring your voices, one of the mediums that you're just trying it out my eleven subscribers know what I'm about
the first, is a double digits
for both you and I do have advised
for me as a pod and for yourself as a pike, s I'll, give you. If you
to think I give an ado do say I mean who knows but say you do I
as more episodes.
I can imagine a world worth that
that your life continues in that direction, that this is like
a parallel like for me,
things like a little side hobby, but it is also one that deeply fulfilling so not just from a business
like the, which is not the way I think about. I just think it from a life. Human perspective is,
I problem wouldn't have this kind of conversation with you off MIKE
How long this deep, this attentive and there's something really fulfilling these conversations, so
what advice as you have for me. What advice here for yourself-
Oh, have you not introspective this that deeply
I have lots of advice. I think the first advice I give to you is: I think you should
me I'm more often yeah. That's it
the first and second is going european gas and everywhere I would say
what say you come on my part ass when you are ready when you feel like the product
dad I'm putting out would benefit from Europe
since and vice versa, not not as a nodded.
Over to a brow but
right time. I'd I'd do sense. Actually is it's an interesting the das to it, which is
like a euro. I recently did, I jargon, had a conversation with me on this park ass. There is a very specific kind of thing. Where
you you're, helping each other out yeah
The timing on that has to be right right. You know like
If that makes any sense you like supporting each other, is that it does.
since the it doesn't. It does make a difference. You would think that causes
just people talking about what microphone, but he changes thing
it dozen years in order to the guests that I've had on and the neck
yes, that ireland will be
a friend we have in common and will be talking about teaching how to teach.
And styles of teaching and what you're teaching always other things you might say who
sean foreshortened. I think, there's an order to it's. Not so
epic, but it's based on my gut is it
astrologically based.
It really means that scientific here you gotta you ever since I don't like Joe rogan, for example- tries to do left right here,
Alternate like this, this gut feeling of like these bins of people, and he
the alternate world views interesting like he can it, so it doesn't feel like it. I, like it
shake it constantly. Shakes hymns is more about him like constantly put them in more.
for directions about like how he sees the world and that gives imbalance
it gives the conversation coinciding. That's interesting. I didn't in a way where I knew Paul,
we're gonna be wild and we might get a little out of control and might have some technical pick ups along the way, and they make
jake, whose icy over pharmaceutical company that was
Timely because you know he was able to speak to vaccines in another kind of scientific flavoured here and
what I learned listening back on that is, like I learned for myself about
I wasn't asking the next level questions to you,
We draw out great answers.
Part of it. Is you
your simultaneously hanging out with a brow, but also I was trying to learn something about. I didn't learn what I wanted to learn and it's my fault. I didn't ask. The questions
he's an expert in that field. He doesn't know that I'm an absolute dipshit when it comes to that stuff
and so I didn't do a good job and if I don't know it, the means the thing I wished
to tease out of him no one who is gonna, listen, he's gonna, learn that either
So I learn that
and I had the one with soap on which I thought was- was pretty good.
Is the rest? There is also a farmer is right in his aversion worker, in kind of humble and and not forget, thoughtful awful guy slow.
there's not a wild man that can think not a while men in the sense that I'm while, but he does preach this, this philosophy of being more wild. Like being in time,
with nature nature that thou to that kind of right, and then my buddy.
He came on, you know, because I love music
let's talk a lot about music and he's one of the most knowledgeable people about music that I now and he's got a rational coming up, and I thought
buddy more clam being an endurance athlete like when you hear some of the things I didn't even know. These things existed at this fuckin kid dead, he's out of his mind
and you know, I think sean and I'll have probably the most intellectual conversation that I've had my podcast to today, and so,
there's a little bit of alternating there, but you know I did it.
way so that the guy
gus feeling, and also that what users were away
going do you know where you're going, I'm I don't
have a destination. But I want to.
I want to see it to its end, whether that's it,
somewhere of its own volition or takes on a new life at some point, and then I know how to drive it where it needs to go. I think
The advice I have for both of us is.
I think I need to know. I don't think so
I think for you, I seen
turmoil. Monsieur
storm that bruising? You because I feel like
there is a concern for what you're saying and is gonna get. He is economic, isn't gonna.
Lead to negative feelings towards you or the thing you're doing, and I feel like we're different p.
and I have such an easier time say: fuck off to everybody and
that's a liberating thing, but it also can keep, can keep,
from achieving the thing that I want to achieve
because I'm so flipping with opinions.
I don't listen to them and let them direct me when they sure there's a balance. They pushed back on that please.
do you believe that a buy yourself a nevertheless your social media presence indicates? Otherwise, if I were to be very high,
you're like one of those little mentally strongest, characterized people, I know, and yet on social media. You don't put your face to the world market.
One of the reasons you sense, the fear and me which exists. Of course
let go of. It is because
I put my face and like my name on things and so on,
I say something stupid it. It hurts when people did
say like look, that guy says something stupid, and so there is a fear saying something stupid in all of its different forms.
Like a being my lesser, it's is the same feeling I haven't competition of like
of losing not just losing wasn't as a matter is embarrassing. Myself
losing being the less aversion and myself and when you put yourself out,
in a four way. I think you, I would venture
say: you're, also cause you like
you you, don't you wouldn't give yourself,
advice. I feel, like you're, also afraid of standing behind some of the ideas
because I know you don't really warfare ear you're free to to
a be to say things? Do speak your mind from the sidelines.
but the moment you standing in one piece.
Control should at you, I feel like you haven't face.
the fire you been like, avoiding that fire, I'm not sure, maybe projecting no,
two degree right. I think, like a big thing for me was putting like ads on fur like our our jujitsu online are like curriculum. That was a big thing for me.
because for several reasons like in the climate of everyone under the sun, having you know,
jujitsu tutorial online and social media, not such a meeting a silly but form specifically that critique
can share the bed one there
have not done that. I thought about doing. Probably your right
in your analysis of it is I've not gone. The way that I do see you on things like read it and say: hey read it I'm doing this.
Could easily go to residence. Hey read, I got this webs,
it appears of ears sample video, whatever the fuck people donor, well, yeah, you're right, I haven't done that and party
might be because I I
I know also, if
get suckered in for one second into the negativity I'm gonna become
online warrior and I don't wanna be that person. So
you ve got me self aware about that and you wanted
Things have earlier
The site is like I'm just gonna be
I've always really enjoy being positive, so I'm going to make sure I stay that way and when there's
activity sake, I'm not
just ignoring it, I'm literally just
returning of positivity, I like
I probably in the same way as you most people are with
with egos you get, you wanted, become the warrior. Yes, the negativity in the eye
like many wars. There's no winning
there's no winning now worse than mine, especially on the internet and the. So in that sense, as there's been a journey to try to,
Face the fire of the negativity is that
she that bad sounds adverse your mad at this up, many people their negative, but it's like when you pay.
Advertisements. So you put your face and destruction or something like that right. It just there's a aspect.
What you're being a salesman, you being a gimmick, e thing right
it feels wrong, and people will point out. Looked at guys have frog legs, fake, look he's trying, but those people are gone.
Be out there and, if you like, trying to do
Let us try to be authentic and not
you like being a snake,
well salesman and being like this
Became a salesman, I think they keep you honest,
keep. You are assuming the most authentic self and pack ass. Things like the best me
because you're being real those one, our applause that you put out there, that's a real john, does not like
the people. People fall in love with that, and that does that the beautiful aspect of passing is there's no long form.
Doesn't give any possible
feed not to be authentic, right
why is the magic media
the the thing is you're, not a popular aid takes time very popular
and you should shouldn't be doing it. For that reason,
I don't
the thing that really are drives me: is there three books, technical fiction
after they had an impact on you like these are books. They you kind of returned today. You enjoy, and there
You know that define profound somewhere, I would say
we the thing I read: isn't one of emerson essays that I read it up me no point
life where I needed that type of thing, and I read self reliance and united.
a ton of good essays, but I thought self reliance was probably the most impact for to me,
No I've read later in life like a handful of meaning
existential authors and there
our great but
time, a lot of us
the timing and when I read self reliance- and it was
the individual that was really good, made compatible
is also book called jonathan livingston siegel by richard richard bark. I think anna,
it's kind of along the same lines as about the sego who you now wants to break conformity and learn.
Flying do all these other great things, and so it's rare short reads out. People are some that that's good. The book which I was lug, look
enough to read before the movie ever even came out, which is just a apply.
You're of minors- are american psycho
Just from a writing standpoint, I found that the writing was was awesome,
Breakfast is the author of vat and several other books. You have like intertwining, characters,
eyes, annoying when prep school guidelines or a lotta like our stories and a lot of the dutch
Visual wars ranch
For me,
anyone who can write four pages of prose on like a huge, louis, album kudos to you
I also would say no one,
do this, but I would
at some point red is mine.
Of one of the big three religious texts of pot as possible.
It really gives you perspective there. So many overlapping stories in the in love, religious texts and in the way that their written gives you a unique perspective on different people
throughout the world and in off here
roman catholic, maybe don't read the Bible read one of the other taxes in now be an interesting take but embarassing.
Say that first of all, I've never read the bible, which is embarrassing to say a cigarette, a bunch
about the bible. Not the bible and the same
equating them, but I haven't
A red marks directly ever read my comfort.
Hitler directly, and it feels like some
because you think, like it's better to read stuff about the books, but ultimately
because, like the analysis, will be better in our texts that followed it, but there's
Are you to actually reading
actual words, the other,
this power? In the words that
there's a reason. Why, like the bible, is one of them
impactful books ever you know, and it's it's
it's in those words of value to return to those words, the communists.
Professor is truly frightening. If you read it in the end, like modern context as well,
reading yeah, where three guys so minecraft, not how they see ya,
obvious, but it is not very well written
but all the ideas that led to the evil, that is, hitler are all in there, which is a fascinating to think about.
because probably some of the world leaders at the time should have probably read the books you he outlined. Everything is going to do.
You mention the flying,
Emerson quote area like so: let's try to end on this part of the globe.
it's easy in the world to live after the world's opinion. It's easy in solitude to live after your own.
Man is who
of the world keeps a perfect sweetness. The independence of solitude. Or is this quote me too
it's kind of reinforces the idea that here
here, to live your life and that even when
People are trying to.
Influence you or
comment on the decisions that you make for your life. You should have the strength to stick by living here.
The way you want to live it that
there's one immutable truth for you and it doesn't apply to everyone and so people who
people who.
frown upon
or judge the way that you live, because it's not
quotes conventional, ah
Our opinion should
not be something that impact
The choices that you make
you're no relationship. Now you said
Deeply meaningful, or is that our europe
mr along. This is still just a man in the cold of the of the
If that is suffering now, I'm a man whose warm nestled in a bosom aren't they
There's a better way
and John
your friend near my coach, I'm sure we'll talk many more times in the future, thanks for wasting all your time with me today
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