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You first I've been ready for this more life. I asked if doing a style road trip across the united states. You after this whole covered thing, lists erratic urge europe, like that, I've done a handful of longest Driving trips opened the east coast, but also from the caused back to the east coast and then returning to california so I definitely on my fair share of driving in this country. You have the longing for the great american road trip. I I think there are so many things that have been lucky enough to see in the world that I now at this point in my life realise there are tons

things that I need to see here in this country and a roach up could potentially be the best way to see them. I think to do it effectively. You need an amount of time where you can is leisurely is possible, there is no deadline and there is no I've gotta make it. chicago to saint louis, by sundown, to get to this place at this time You really need to be able to take your time, and I m kind of what Let the road take you where you need to go. because again emission now, ultimately like there's a reason to be in san francisco ethic. The correct thing you have to meet them he's somewhere kind of loosely in a few weeks, and then it's the as yet struggle on towards that mission. He meat Weird characters are getting away, but ultimately serve clayton experience I think I'm gonna lose deadline is good, but beginning in an end point, then what I mean is. I don't want to have to be

we're leaving, say boston on Sunday night, let's get to new york by Monday morning and then from new york. We're gonna go to fully and we gotta be in philly at four. a vague beginning, an end is fine, but I think I have been very strict. guidelines in between will rise you have certain experiences along the way. If you have a time to get from fifty two indianapolis in Awesome shit starts to happen in philly. Do you really want to have to cut short, because you gotta mean indianapolis by sun up? Why do you to be anywhere by any time? For any reason, really well change plans change all the time exactly, but if we're talking about having a mission or the type of road trip. I just think it would be best to have it. As loose and flexible as possible. You gotta make hard deadlines and then break them totally changed the plans. Disappoint people break problem.

As as the way of life somebody's waiting for your settlers- I knew you phone lover, the baker in new york. I don't know what you're up to I can appreciate that, but on a trip like that, if you like. A trip with deadlines is for a different point in your life and at this point, I don't want any the deadlines, because it's not about meeting someone and disappointing them in Saint louis. It's about me now supporting myself, you wanna, have you wanna. Enough time in what doing to make sure that you get the full breadth of every expired that you encounter how'd, you fully experience a place. How is your note I owning eventually for experience? Boston? If you are showing up to a city for weak on this road trip, what would you do so I'm an answer, parts. A few years ago I had an opportunity to move out of boston and the thing I kept me here,

no question about. It was the fact that I felt like I had a contract with my students and I did not. I felt like a great Many of them took a leap of faith. By joining my german, like community, asking me to teach them what I now and when an opportunity to leave boston. I thought of those people, and I thought I want to fulfil my obligation to them So because I made a decision to stay here, I then that some are made a decision to endear myself to the city of Boston, and I tried to find lots and lots of different things to do. I can tell you that Cool thing that I found to do in the city is on the amateur. where they have like on Friday night, the have different exhibits and stuff, and I like little beer cards in food, tents and you can go, do a painting class oftener and are on the side very cool night of things to do but in general, whenever I'm in a new city, I try pay attention to Google, and I not to do anything that I find

and a travel cite the best thing to do. Is to walk out of your hotel or wherever it is you're staying and find the most one: lookin bar have a drink, Your bartender, something people, the people, the people then you can experience that town the way the day experience it. Even in a city where there are tons of tourist attractions logos, probably. visit the same tourist attractions when they have visitors come from out of town. You want to see how they view those places They visit them and you want to go to eat where they're going to eat. Like you know, you gonna the idaho, for the most part The north end is not a place where I would take someone and say hey. This is boston, the pinnacle of Boston, dining because it's me tourist, their handful, a really good restaurants there, but I want to know where the weather, go to bogies place. I want to know like the download spots where the hell's bogus place. It's like a little stake house in the back, a jam curly exactly douglas,

at bar generalised system, a bar with like bar food, I think they like Boston. It is embarrassing answer south boston. Now it's an arm. town area gum. I don't know what the new roads are called here honestly because they call they gave an area called downtown boston, an enemy no tell that means, and these new financial district, where southie is I've, heard about the southie south east south boston, but is there is a difficulty south boston southie? Now it the same thing like you, the mythical south. I think the mythical southie is something is long gone now and The term now actually is sober, Oh now, yet it changed white who'd who took over what? What's that now, the were hunting personality. That south is not strong acts and those bad as deeds. I came here right at the end of like what was southward and so when I got

and my jim is in south boston. The neighborhood was just starting to change, so I think. As justification happen in a sort of building more luxury condominiums. They were buying all these old businesses out all the mom and pop businesses, and I think that I have changed the them above the community- and it was only because there was an influx of new young people- I would disposable income is because there's exodus of the the older people who can agree and raise their families are because they were being offered humongous sums of money for their homes that they had bought, like can elite, seventies and early eighties, so that they can develop those areas, So you have a combination of the influx of new people and the exodus of the old, and now you just got this totally new neighborhood in it's place. What do you love about boston? Is there a love still for boston. You certainly have the love of the thing that's gone as well. Yeah, I think

I don't want to pinpoint Tennyson Boston because it happening in all great cities. As these areas become gentrified, what's happening, The personnel in the character of the neighborhood is is just being run out and I nothing against people coming in and making money things like that. But when you do that, spence of that culture character in the personality of the neighborhood. I mean kind of standing on the shoulders of giants, these are the people that can europe built these areas up happens here and in Boston happens in all over new york, happen on the west coast, so what I love about. Boston is not nearly as romantic as what it might have been fifteen years ago and what I used to love about new york, what I love Boston is that its workable the food scene is on is on the rise here, but I think you're, your hard pressed to find the charm that.

People, think of when they think of old boston, an old new england city, see I see a different people, sometimes criticised like mit ike or the thing that it is now, but I think is always like that. I'd tend to prefer to carry the I am of the history of the greatness, the greatest moments of its history and like so enjoy that the echo of that in the halls of mit in the same way in Boston, you think about the history and that is your lives on in a few individuals like you can't Look around what boston! It'd like what has Boston become. I think it was over carried by a minority of individuals, I think we kind of look back at. History and think like tat. or greater in a certain kind of dimension back then, but just because we remember- This is ridiculous,

data driven assertion of mine, is remember just there this that the brightest stars of that history, and so we romanticize but I think if you look around now, those special pete still living in Boston, for which bosnia will be remembered as a great city in fifty years, you're, probably right, but isn't there some sort of theory about. The point that there is like a certain age in your life where things resonate differently to you, like, I think I've done studies were most people stops. Looking for new music after aged nineteen, most dad. You see like wearing super old clothes like the that's the style, the time period of the last great part of their life. There's- an evolution in people and you could so be the memories of where they live, and when I was seventeen of course, my Road was the best then, because having the most fun and we this kind of look at things through that that ten, I think and you are right- and I dont think is anything wrong with the way cities

evolving. Now, it's not I I preferred it I'm up like a mom and pop store, not a fabricated like gastro pub. That could just be like on a four superhighway upon your way out of, have got centre and its action it's owned by like some conglomerate, but there's still the special places, the gate this takes us back to the road trip is maybe I tend to romanticize experiences of like the diners in the middle of nowhere you say makes for like it feels like life is made up of these experiences that may be on paper, see mundane but are actually some I'll, give you a chance to pause and reflect on life, with a certain kind of people, whether right Really close friends are complete strangers. Maybe

cause evolved in the middle of? Nowhere seems like road trip facilities that, if you allow me to add what do you think me It was kind of experience. Have you had any? I think in the context of a road trip. I think it's like hyper localization, and and it is on those experiences, along the way with people, and the people that you with will cover the experiences differently depending on the person. There are tribute there was somebody else, so I've driven up and on the east coast several times when I drove from the way to new york. My friend was on the run from the cops so we were trying to get out of tickets yeah challenging it Why do we trying to get out to allay because he going to have to go away for a little while, so we draw from a and we just you know. Where catherine ideal. We're doing we drove east

and then you know, we had an unbelievable trip mostly because we didn't we- have a destination. We didn't really have a time frame. Thank goodness, because you get arrested again in pennsylvania, so yeah, I kind of stuck there and then you know, and then we will go back to allay when he got out pennsylvania, but the stops along the way were kind of like we, things that you have no money right to your finding that, like, a little diamond in the rough placed eat the diner you. about that place I once was in his was I think in buenos aires and the guy that I was with he said. I know this wait little spot around the corner, and I was young- has twenty five and I thought the coup This thing in the world would be to be such a citizen of the world that you know these quaint little spots around the corner and, like all these great citys like I know where to get this great chicken. Sandwich in argentina. I know where to get this great meal and costa rica. I know where to get this

super local thy gum egg in another country, That was really call the ability to do, at anywhere in the world you get closer with that guy, when all through the trip I found that, like so I took, I took a trip across the nest. As with the other guy friend of mine, we had different goals searching for meaning a life- and he was searching for arm- was the politically correct with our phrasing it budget. basically trying to sleep with every kind of woman that this world has to offer. What's the difference between those two things, while I guess the different kinds of meanings, I mean I just I I I still think, You can't find meaning between a woman's legs. I suppose that not all of them. But there was a time in. There grew closer with those experiences, but we ve gotten invites you know there is a lot of like liberal, almost fights and they were close enough.

Silence is, but there were one brothers. Is this whole weird journey? if, though you went on, I think tom. You spend that much time and like a small space with another person, you're gonna the different the relationship will manifest themselves, have the periods of closeness you have. Periods of vulnerability where it's like, maybe you're, driving through denver it's three in the morning and you talk about something you might not have otherwise talked about. You'll have the periods, you don't want to see that motherfucker ever again right in the end pending could be because of anything. but the guy that I drove twice with we are still, so in contact were still bodies. We We have very different goals also, but at that point our lives, we were not. We didn't. And contemplated the meaning of life. We were about problem, more one of the friend that you draw with. We are more about racking up experiences whatever they were,

I want to be able to retail this stories. Yeah the other able to and it's gonna sound call again when a retail story about genuine through alabama and they've got a lovely library, and I checked out this book and you know I'm not innocent retelling. That DA. Do you remember any er? This is a kids show I'll do my brain stories the kids will enjoy from those time, though, found, some kind of way there were some pact for moments, beginning of our road trip where we had no money and as a couple kids, who knew nothing. We literally had two we stop in vegas and we want a circus circus at the time. dollar blackjack and we had like twelve box and my buddy was a kind of a degenerate gambler, so he knew what was up. I was just that kind of stuff in chips in my pockets, making sure we could pay for the gas and just being a point which is like a starting line. In like we drove from l a to vegas region only about four hours and being

the starting line in realising like we may not. Even I get off the starting line here, and if we do What are we doing? We're gonna be two guys stuck in vegas with no money. We can't go west cause you're gonna get pinched with no money east, what the hell are we going to? We gonna wind up in vegas, So you know that that was kind of a profound thing where you just it's a turning point it could have been a turning point in our lives. Had we made enough money to continue going east. That's the beautiful thing by roger from your broke is like in retrospect everything turned out fine, but your facing the complete darkness the uncertainty of the possibilities that before you and like I don't know if you are confident at that time, but I was really follow. Served out like just like could seize all the trajectories. Will you screw up your life like? What am I doing my life, I'm a fairly ike

these dreams, I've had never realized them. A complete piece of shit almost cause. I have no concept of consequence as I probably had taught replies Moses, I had literally no concept of consequence immediate. vacation was all I care about passive existentialist yeah. It did not. It did not even enter my mind at in my like early twenties that anything that I was doing at that point. Could review break for the rest of my life. I think part we didn't even think I'd make it this far then so I was not interested in like the long play. I remember thinking like why should I be acting now in a way that might impact a point in my life? I never reach and yet now you are a man whose searching for meaning in life. At least I was To put it another way, you

You think deeply about this world and in a philosophical contacts, while also appreciating the violence of hurting other friends of yours right on a regular basis, so were what what you think I mean maybe there's a broader question there, but it costs a personal question. It seems that people who fight for prolonged periods of time, like jujitsu people, martian it's much worse. People, even military folks, become overtime, philosophers. What? What is that that is? There Allah between fighting and violence in the philosophical depth. With which you now have for from the starting point of being the full existentialist tat shows just living in the moment you like being introspective human now. I would say to that being a soldier or a warrior,

hundreds of years ago is probably what started the marriage between martial arts and philosophy. If you're constantly under someone else's charging you're told to go out and walk in a line, and you know overtake some german a tribe somewhere and that all the time your job is being a soldier theirs. On any given that you might not come home. So I think that you have to say your day by thinking deeply about. How you ve lived to that point in the people that are living in and around you and I if treated them. I think that probably is what started the marriage of being caught, I got philistine. Forgot Marshall artist, you ve got a really like on a daily, since the start of what's going on around you and inside you, because we all, offer. With this kind of idea,

if today's my last day that I do it right and we really do it so much nowadays, because we're so comfortable, but if we're being march To war every day I think you'd see people live a little bit differently. You know, Did you treat the people around you a little bit differently using there's echoes of the interest? Even the sport of ya, like grappling you get to where you're facing your mortality would already with that way, but to be honest, I think that a lot people that train in a martial art Temporary society consider them all marshall artists. I thank you. Because you train a martial art does not mean your marshall artist. There are so many people that use martial arts is a form of exercise and like This little piece of self concept use martial arts as tagline in their instagram bio, and it's really one of exercise its something they.

oh, it's not something they are in. The end is a big difference. There there's a bunch of stuff mixed up in there because they use them. I'm thing is something you do for its awesome. could be something you are for display versus who you are in the private moments of searching and thinking right, struggling and all that conniston instagram as a surface layer. That meant Much of modern society operates in which is really problematic. Azeri there's that gap between the person you show to the world and the person you In private life, and if you make majority of year project of the human project of yours, a few years on this earth the Optimization of the public is to grant profile than you never developed. This private person It does seem that if you do digital long enough, it's very difficult not to fall into like this has become,

personal journey intellectual journey because, like if you get your ass case, Thousands of times there's a certain point to other. Maybe it's a girl, defence mechanism, but that turns into some kind of deeply profound introspective experience. Verses like exercise then I'd yoga, yeah so Me me go back first hand just the instagram point, which I think there is a difference between people who, whose instant m is intrinsically tied to their profession and they have to pay specific profile out there and I think in general, people who truthfully art their business is tied to their instagram profile. I want to exclude them. I think that most people instagram, is how they want to be seen, and that's not we can run with who you are, but I think. There is a level of dishonesty there now

this is how I want people to see me. I'm gonna put all this stuff in my answer and bio, but that's it. not me and you do that. I think it's it's a little disingenuous and you're right. There's not you're, never really going to marry those two things together and it gets tough. Let me uh sorry to interrupt. Let me push back on. Something is a good time to address. Then there are the many facets of the great and powerful john clark. Ok, let let let let's let's go. There is cause it's interesting. You strive so hard for excellence in your life and from extreme competence that you are visibly and physically off put by people whore who have not achieved competence. You think we should be nicer to the people. Are those early, like you mentioned a person who first picks up an art picks up by

becomes vague in stars through cross first are duly justified first time and create that is there in others their struggle. In theory this like who am I in a really overly proud in his kind of ridiculous, an you in your wise chair, of sea seen many battled yeah there. You see the ridiculous this or that I tend to I'm learning to give those folks not to mark them an answer to give them a chance to do the ridiculous, let me, as I think I was that to let me first clarify be clear about what you mean when you say a level of competence. I I've never one world championship I've, however, you know there. Many things in my life, I have not achieved what ah m mmm was people were considered to be. The penalty the level of success now that's accomplishments, its accomplishment,

its ribbons, its things like that, and it's not that those things don't mean anything to me and the fact that I haven't in some arenas it is something that I want to change, which is We can talk about the second, but I think that there is a difference between the very eager new, of whatever it is their doing. Who does the thing- so that they can sit, Well, they do the thing. That's a person have less respect for. So we know each other, primarily through jujitsu. Looking at you It's a tournament, there's this there's. This idea that people bows online. I respect anyone with the gods. To get on the mat and put it on the line and sign up for a tournament that is the biggest load of shit. I have ever heard this great. You know, I know how easy it is for europe.

What your name on something and pay their registration fee and walk in there. That's not the hard part. Does the easiest part I don't care if you lose your first match, but I respect the person who sign for the tournament registers. The tournament goes diet loses waiting I way trains there ass off in does the things proper, and then goes on them that the person, simply signs their name on the right. Strengthen, form and jumped on the mat if they done these other things. They actually have nothing to lose, because what they ve done, it They ve stepped onto the man in the ring in the cage, with a pocketful of excuses, yeah sure you signed up, but when you, but you You're, not really vulnerable, because you didn't run, you didn't do this, you didn't do other things are supposed to do person who a limb. every possible excuse and then It's on the mat and gets there. Ass kicked in the first round, so much more respect for that person person who does nothing. Maybe on natural ability, wins a couple a matches and then

right on facebook, on how I love to the eventual champion, that's worth zero and towards zero, and in that So what did you learn about yourself? You learned about you said that you a natural level of aptitude, for whatever this activity is that you're doing, but you didn't actually learn how to surmise it through training and through dedication and through all these other things. Ah, ah, I'm an incredibly inch did novice musician. I love I like to play, but I don't put that on anything in you I stink at it. I would really love to be sick at it. I'm currently not But like I'm not running around you now talking, I didn't hear you any those other things like I do it. It's for myself and I want to- I want a regional. we'll have competence in that, so the person they your respect for the person who takes Fully seriously takes takes the effort fully seriously offer base. That would be

that you agree with yourself. Are you going to perform, live and just in your own private moments, your private thoughts urine? not going to give yourself an excuse out like I'm gonna have fun. Is a nice experience you going to you're going to think, going to try to be the best possible based blair given given up it has gone on my life, but I'm going to do my ike ashes put it on the line, and if I fail that it that's not because I didn't try is because I'm a failure and then sit in that sick feeling of like I'm a failure, but isn't that an important thing to know absolutely I by their theirs of theirs. That's like the best thing would be but sometimes it's fun to lose yourself in them in in the bragging in the year in the your ways of life- and I think, I'm careful not to arm.

Because too many people, my life, when I brought I would like a little candle of a fire of a dream. There would just go like you know, though, just blow that fire out that they would do. Smith make they see, like you know, say I set of said a lot of diggers. Stuff put them what we all always dreamed about like putting they always dreamed of having this world full of robots. and you're every time I would bring these ideas up, they'll be shut. by the different people, but my parents, by you know you need to first get education need to succeed. The dimensions in order to do these things you have to give a great yet bob about like there's all the stuff that its indirect or direct way the blowing out that little ridiculous dream that you present an ethic

Oh, I remember sort of bringing up. now things like becoming stay champion. Rustling ripe it's a weird death because of course, the coaches, water, they'll kind of dismiss that fake, ok, ok, but at the same time it feels like in those early days you have to preserve that little little fire The johnny ive- I don't know if you know who that is as a designer at apple he was the chief designer he is behind most of the iphone all that stuff in your heels talked about that he wouldn't bring his ideas to steve, until they were matured is he would always shit on them you he would he wanted them to like little as little babies like live for, allegedly before they get completely shut down. and I was thinking about that when I see a beginner sarah bragging eyes to go yet to be careful, let loose? play with that little dream you know

you playing with a little dream that your nurturing you're, trying to take that little flame and you're trying to create a real. blazed with it or you playing with the idea of it and bought behind, I met. There's no substance was hard to know the difference. That's why I struggle that. Is it I don't think it necessarily is certainly you're wrong and when I say instagram, I don't wanna mps bunch of strangers, but I have a gem of a lot of members and I can tell you that the number of years I've been in the gym when someone This means, as this is my goal- I don't. Don't tell them yes or no in general, but I know I can By the way they say it to me, I can thin slice it in the look on people's faces and when people started Like said, they want to do it's windy. I know right off the bat. this person's, you they're gonna, put an effort and or they're not going to put in africa. So to me, it the effort behind that your bus in your ass in your new at something in your brand new. Will you can really hard and you

a series of like moderate successes like that's the guy I wanna champion, because that persistence in that grit overtime, those successes. no longer be moderate, they'll be huge, but person residing moderate success by doing nothing chin, His they'll never learn to put that work in the successes will never grow. of an admiration. For my thyssen, I love him. I was got let letter said for the brief moment, why does a combination of factors. One is like the timeliness of his career and like the age I was when he like. into prominence, the raw brood violence and the raw brutal honesty when he speaks it's easy for people to hear him or see his life and cast m aside, as some simeon ask like just cream scourge on society, but when you hear him speak

This is not a guy who's on intelligent this the guy who knows himself better than probably most was no ourselves disarming, and you know that a humongous part of my admiration for him. Who is MIKE tyson because there's It feels like their similarity between him and you there's a Does it there's a violent person in their brows. really kind person and they're all like bring together a little house and your the same, there's a thoughtful person, but there is also scary, violent person, and there are like having a picnic they're having a picnic. I think their dialectical, tensions and everyone, these opposing forces that are constantly pulling out here and there points in your life, I get sliding scale and I think

Certainly, when I was younger person, there is a lot more manifestation of the violence and a lot less of the kindness. People, who were not, as close to me, probably some more of the violence. I only the very close people to me saw like what would happen. for the kind side, and now that's sliding in the other direction- and I I worry actually sometimes that there be a situation where I need that now version of me and he's further and further away, and I call him up. If I meet him and that concerns me to it to a certain degree, the sad aging warrior, seeing his grace our main away like to compete, that that person returns, zack for MIKE tyson that person returned at the prospect of competition. It returns, but I've learned I've better how to manifest- In competition, in terms of like the affair,

that that type of emotion, as on your physically in the middle of a competition sub better, learn how to utilise that energy. But I think another side effect of this is like having a gym where you're, a bigger guy and you're the head instructor, you can't is mean and violence as you once were, because you are also now trying to run a business and he spent. So long. So many so many years, china to be mean and do you know often your your technique a little bit, is that all of a sudden just becomes who you are and- and I don't necessarily like that, so I've been trying to reclaim that a little bit on the mat, but I think in competition. Theirs. There has to be an athlete Really wants to score the points. Fighter really wants the incapacitate you what you want a position where they can do their own bidding

and result in a jujitsu match might just still be two points, but the motivations are very, very different, What do you make of our thyssen? Andorra, rogan, a huge aroused by violence? Do you think that's insane? Do you think that. To be honest for him, and do you think that rings true for many of us others who practices friend agrees? I don't. I can't speak for a lot of people and I think that its was brutally honest statement by him, and I think it something that even if a lot of people feel it they're, not comfortable, admitting or saying it, but I think, like there's, dares great joy in like a landing, a flush right hand on someone's jaw and then watch m crumble, you don't even feel it europe a baseball circuit. you can hit a base it off. The under the battle was thin your hands because of the way that you had it. You can a home run and you won't feel anything

I feel so good in your hands and that I think the like one of them the joys of physics, Contact when you do it the right way, nicholas for all physical contact you do it the right way, the physic no pleasure you can derive from it and the mental pleasure. It saw it's unparalleled see, but as different them, and draw a distinction. I'm not I've had the floor. gin of being arrested, and I would draw a distinction between a very well executed in competition, double leg, single egg, take down or a pin their some osity person, there's something so comforting? A well executed pen because it's like two seconds energy sake: everything is flush nice and I like it's all,

clean and any other phases. Oecd person who likes to align shall show it is beautiful. Ok, that's good technique. Rustling also provides you. maybe more than other sports, the feeling of dominating another human, yes of breaking now, not just of them being. coffee and very powerful. You feel this or another human being and then you breaking them alike,. I'm not as honest is my thyssen will, but as that I like I've ever serve. Look in the mirror and said I like the dallas in I that aspect of it, but it's certainly seems, like you chase, that when I was a wrestler in high school, I lost so many matches because of over aggressiveness arm like

You know I would pick the top position and let you stand just so that I could do a map return and I wasn't trying to return to the man I was actually I too, like dr you, through the mat and through the ground like I took like I've, had it gave me Joe, to do that you, like It wasn't like. I was trying to you know just Are you to the match that opinion what you just talked about like the the dominating another person. I used to look at that as you got someone who, in theory, is equally trained and equally skilled is you are an ear you're absolutely out their totally dominating them. There's join that you could get in an enemy fight in you could take someone down, and you can them, and all that feels good. But when you start raining down the punches on their face from in they dropping elbows and stuff, like there's another level of satisfaction there and its it's tough to describe- and I dont think that if everyone is made

for when I was a thing one as a sinner nice goma, wrestling coach that look, you ve got to stop. with all this crazy, aggressive wrestling like me, They try to turn me into a technician and, and it will end it did work to a degree humongous shift for me in terms of success, but It wasn't the same level of enjoyment out of it like I mean I got disqualified from new england, since my coach said cross face and across space, and he said harder and I basically wound up and blasted it the face and his nose got busted everywhere, but I didn't think not to do it, because that felt good. It felt good across space that is imposed a lot of like that's a weird american weary that I have picked up However, neither the russians your brothers that don't see it dossiers that they don't get draw. They think that there is a tension between the

part of the martial art and violence so the marshal. I agree that poetic wagon put it better. not so fast say with his dan gable. dominating another human. They think of the effort, witness the effortless this of the tec. Nick and you mastery of the artists exhibited in its effort. Witness You lose yourself in the moment in the timing, they're just a beauty of timing like theirs, it's more like one exam, when you are, but also in you, gotta get the foot sweep wrestlers in america and even judo players american much of the world? Don't admire the beauty of the four sweep, but a wartime foot. which is a way to serve off balance a fine, timing to just effortlessly changed the tape turn the tables of main dummy european. It is

is seen as the highest form of mastery in russian rustling in in a guess, a jew in japanese judah, it's interesting not sure unless your. What with that ten, is about. I think, actually takes me back to If you listen to our than calling harker history and jane cause if you ve ever I have read a great great book on James Scalia, I'm so I'm still trying to adjust most of my life said: genghis khan, but right pronunciation is actually genghis khan. There is tension there. We kind of think I don't know we, I kind of thought, as genghis khan, the altar, violent. and leader of ultra ultraviolet men, but other view. Another way to see them is the people who warriors that valued.

stream competence and mastery of the art of are fighting with weapons. with bows with the horse riding all that kind of stuff, I'm not sure exactly where to place them on my have. Thinking about violence in our human history. I think in of context of like our combat sports. I think there's a difference between an athlete winning a contest under certain set of rules, and fighter winning a fight under those Oxygen roars, there's a difference Let's do it don't think one is any better than the other like in may, I think a great example would be George saint Pierre georgian bears a tremendous its term athletes any considers himself to be a marshall artist first he's trying to win an athletic competition. Mickey just trying to bust your ass right is a different approach to it

and yes, they ve had different results at the highest level of competition. But it's difficult to tribute the difference in results. Just there which, to the sport, because their different human beings with different abilities, indifferent different physical attributes. I too have brothers, have the luxury of being able to talk about the beauty of a cup. Perfectly time slide by right. There are other measures that will never be able to pull it off and therefore there after pursue other ways to defeat someone, and maybe it is that damn gable can a man spirit by outworking am type thing which is beautiful. In its own way. But we we, we tend to self select the ways in which were able to be successful and then carnatic a deep dive into them What do you think is more beautiful brute force or effortless execution of via text,

make that dominates another human. I think it's a subjective thing based on what skills you perceive yourself to have ever. I've never been us slick, super athletic, dexterous competitor in anything, and I We ve been more of another. I've got out work, you have got out, grind ya, got out, mean you, and so because I've lived that I to see the beauty and that more because I have a perceptual awareness that I dont have for the people who have the luxury of being very slick and athletic and in an using beautiful now that said, there's a phenomenal little video The day I sent her friend of. a compilation of foot sweeps by yoda cheetah, anime, in their so beautiful and they're. So awesome but I don't have an appreciation for those, but I can't emily those, because I lack the physical ability to do that. Whereas

I at least have a chance to emulate some people. Do it through grit in threw out working people but I would love to return to you can get. Your thoughts about they have so many mixed feelings about whether he is evil not whether violence that he brought to the world has ultimately the fact that it had may be kind of, like dan calling describes, cleanse the landscape a second. Reset for the world through violence had ultimately, a progressive effect of human civilization, even though, in the short term a lead to massive, you could say suffering. I don't know what to me. that man, what what are your thoughts and james gun, I think it's

difficult to look at a historical figure in there, actions of their time through a modern day lines, because it's very did its ease. for us, too. I'm kind of you, no impact, in their achievements in the things that they did. Say: oh well, you know what was wrong, what Of course, there can be true, but a lot of times we, actually have any real good context. Our concept of that that times they were living in and what really was deemed wrong? And what really wasn't we're looking at it through a very cushy, modern lines. That being said from what I have read about genghis khan, He was a violent dude, but also He gave you an option. He when he when he got to a village, he said. Look I mean an unfortunate. You have a choice, you can come with us or you can run and You know he gave them an option to join regional fighters who he took very good You know he was the first military leader

to pay his soldiers fan these when they died, and he did that based on the the booty that they got when they rated a village, he took the money he took it. Sharing divided up amongst the soldiers and and the soldier's families. I think he also is credited with awe first like horseback mail routes or something like that right. Is he the godfather of modern postal system or something something like that? Yeah he's he's the Bernie sanders of the yeah the mungo empire. I do think the the Freeing of surrender is an interesting one. Gaza, it's interesting because a thought experiment, whether you would sacrifice your way like the pride of nations, the nationalism pride of your country, whether you are willing to give that up for you know to survive. depends on who depends on you

if you ever, if you have a family and a young, kids and stuff like that, I think you are obligation is primarily to them and therefore sir, It has to be something that you consider in that and that most time so that you can, take care of those people. If your man alone- and you ve got like all these principles and all the other stuff and you just don't you you're not down what genghis khan is doing and what he's selling yeah try and escape. Do your thing No, that you know what weight on the other side of that for you potentially, but I think if there, sir out there that depends on you, your obligation should be to them. It feels like historical. people value principles more than life in this way of life. What do I value more? The principles I hold versus survival? It seems, Now we dont value principles as much you principles can be also relate. and it could be your values. Whatever we're. Ok, sir said facing those four to preserve our survival, and that applies in all forms

actual survival or like social media preserving your reputation all those kinds of things it seems like we in essence in america value individual lie life that death is somehow a really bad thing, as opposed to saying sacrificing your principle is a very bad thing and everybody dies and is ok. to die as with the what's horrible sacrifice, your principles of who you are just to live another day, I think a big problem is people, don't really even what their principles are anymore. Hey, I people, you know social media and just the way that we live nowadays where were separate, it from the human contact like this. Like we're, not you not count, again people. Community anymore, you not whether religious or not, let you not you're, not congregated in a church, you're, not part of a parish.

you would be like him. You know down south you're, not part of that community anymore, and so it's difficult to figure out what your principles and values are, because your constantly jumping from one bucket to the next online and don't get a lot of like direct like rats, reasonable feedback from people. You just get dip shit feedback, go you dont believe this will you're jerk. I think the hard thing currently having the integrity and characteristic by principles. One under I wanted murder of in the genghis khan times to our social media, council culture, by certainly doesn't feel good when people are attacking our social media. Does a lot of integrity you are without anger, without emotion, without being without mocking. Others are attacking others unfairly stand. bye

the ideas you hold or in another way standing by your friends standing by this little group, like loyalty of people, the you know, a good people. I find that in cancer culture. One of the sad things is: whenever somebody gets quote cancelled, everybody just gets all their friends, become really quiet and defend them, or worse, I mean quite easily sender stand understandable. They kind the signal that they throw me the boss, I guess is one way to put it and that that's something I think about a lot from coming. For me, it's ike. I hold an nothing of others hold this ethic. Maybe it's the cycle. Russian mobster, a of like you, should your friends bear the body you should.

Criticise your friends for committing the murder like their certain levels of like you yeah you Have the discussion after you buried the body that it may be. You shouldn't, have done that murder thing. I don't know standard, does a problematic who, through the terminology, that's a problematic ethical framework within which operate. But at this in time, it feels like what else do we have in this world except a brother heard, the system at the love where for very small community but bad that the wrong way. game. Perhaps the twenty first century will be find by the dissipation of this community of this loyalty concept. Individuals you're right? I think you have to have some sort of core framework of principles. I believe that you operate on. It think when I was what I was Referencing is a little bit different and but to speak to your point, you

you need a framework of core principles on which you can. Then base a lot of your other decisions like. I believe these three things to be true whenever they are, and that will help form. Other decisions, you making your life, as far as how you treat your friends, I've got, I've got I will be three friends that they call me right now said that bear the body silence. I gotta go there are other people in my life that if they said we gotta go, bury the body I would say who is this? So I think it depends on the relationship I wanted it. good as a really good measure I would love to have. I would love that to be in your profile, people put like pronouns, I would love to put like honesty like, objectively, not self report, but objective. How me, for in your life,

They committed murder. You would not ask any questions in you would help them. I, the body. Loved another number, four people yeah and anything, It's weird things you because you think right away like oh, came and must be that the group of people that are the closest to you. That's who your first thanking a right, but They feel like my best friend, I would do question about it. I've got to the people, there are close to me that trust me in other ways, and yet I probably wouldn't do not only because I don't think they do it for me, yeah and and that is a consideration. So I guess is the principal there, then, that you do for you friends. What do you think they would do for you? Is that their underlying principle, or do you just but the wind loyalty to you now people in your life for different reasons, people that are not on my inner circle that I probably wouldn't help to tire two in the morning, if they're on the highway, but if they called me and said, hey, we gotta bury the body I might show up for

it. Is these weird different connections you had as passing yeah. I have close friends that, like I probably be exactly the ties, a good example would be like kitchen find somebody else to do the, I think part of that is just this leap of faith. It's like giving yourself to the person that creates deep connection that makes life fulfilling my meaningful, that doesn't exist. If you don't take that leap, I mean it's not about the murder was sort of focusing. I didn't get the I. I think you have to have what it does cross that bridge when you get there. I'm not exactly sure. Is this just the thought experiment, but it's it's. I I think analyze proceedings covert times and as like people come on more isolated and separated from each other like how important as it to have those deep deep. Can Since other humans, I think

specially like where your time other have you ever seen a movie the town the great line in the movie, where one of the main characters walk into his friends house and he says I need your help. we're gonna go heard. Some people can never asked me about it again in the friendly up any says whose car we taken. That is the type of person you need in your life in the people like that, people that will walk through that door and say that you, then you job every you don't and innocent people the walk. You don't you like. You know what I got a hot pocket in the microwave I'm a little bit tied up right now by love. You help me out by you know do that, and you don't have that that deep connection those people mentioned some principles that you change your mind on there. Go there? Is there some interesting principles? And instead of changing that is useful to talk, but I can't We cite a specific thing, except that

understanding that the I suppose that you have at different points in your life? Can change and it's ok to change them without being a total pussy and being bullied by other people into thinking? What you thought was wrong and have you come to the? conclusions of your. Volition and you decide to change and that's great and it can be really it can be really liberating thrilling. We're to have an idea that you hold so true to hear your core belief system and then, actually have some one change your mind for you and be ok with it as a whole. to being like no, I gotta die with this. I got a diet, is it's when there are definitely ideas you wanna die on that hill and no one's ever gonna change your mind, but It's really liberating to be confident enough to say change my mind, I'm looking after. In small motherfuckers around me, who can tell me listen, you're, being a total dipshit thy klutz, but rethink this or

but gave one friend who does the five wise all the time and he loves back me into a corner and was the five wise you just like someone makes a statement about something to really the core issue they save you why five times and make a statement? What? Why is that you enter or why phrase the wise differently. Obviously, but then you get at the core issue. Five times you can get to the core of the issue and it's a challenging thing, but Fine, later in life, so liberating for me to be confident enough to be like was I fuckin way off the mark on this and my mom and change and be to say that others that I was wrong totally dead ability and I never used to have that in its. It feels real good as a hunger. For that too, there is your he's. All right at a personal level feels very good. The exact

is, he said, is liberating because you're free to then think, as opposed to defend yeah, it without thinking, yet it so sick of defending the same thing over and over and over, and you started think about it, and it's like well. I would really like to evolve my thought process hearing when you're consular defending you know point. It is difficult to know, other ideas in you. You, you discount the possibility, that you can have your mind change. We are constantly on the defence, but you have never cracking the front line in order to let a new idea come in and possibly flourish, and maybe the new idea doesn't even prove your car, belief system to be wrong, but maybe it's like the the water HU, a seed and it grows, and now it's something even bigger and better. Now and you can- you can start to work with that instead and it's it's a tough thinks, I'm a stubborn fuck and its very difficult. For me, it was historic way to say I was wrong about this one

this one up or now wish I about one back, there's a public figure for me thing to which either Is it there's a difference between change? You mind with the small circle of friends and changing my publicly about thing, but it has equal. One echoes the other. It is equally liberating by people. People not make change easy, It doesn't matter, that's that's the point and it doesn't. I think, is ultimately liberating the human being public figure and not too, are to think deeply about this world and add to keep changing, which is like I think there is a deep hunger for that in the political discourse that people are so tribal currently about politics that want to see somebody who says you know what I changed my mind on this right and

keep changing their mind and keep asking questions showing that they're open minded all that kind of. But would you want someone in a position of political power? change their mind, because they realise that there might be a better way. Not because they realise that by changing our mind, they're gonna get a new demographic, devote form. Its parent, and nobody wants to see that I, like that's right. That's a person can't separate the there there. edition from their people? They're supposed to be out here, you can usually smell that that's just talking offline there's something about Hillary Clinton was she talked about changed her mind and gay marriage that it felt like as a political calculation, verses, ike ray deeply thinking about like what you know what things. Do we do in this world that violate basic human rights like really thinking it

deeply in. Of course, politicians are calculating this, but you can see you is this the thing? That's why I like? an human level there's like political policies, but there's also humans and I've always liked Bernie sanders, for example The later perhaps Bernie sanders but ass, those in a back in the day and though it felt I disagree with me, but they felt like there's a real human struggling with ideas ever agree with him or not. It felt He wasn't doing political calculation, you just a human. He couldn't be further way from my pilot political ideals, but also like there's an obvious authenticity is passion for what he saying that is at present and other candidates- and you can see it all these- would have been in politics for ever, like from all the way back when hilary was a lawyer in the seventies Tis a couple of to her court room in the seventies, though she said looking all right

let us be glasses? On nick, I have a little bit of a nerdy bay back in the air. I am well John. works says a hillary Clinton was a baby back in the day. Three him the deal that's an interesting question about us the same politicians do think like Hillary Clinton. Just Clinton's are generally good example that why do you think they be over time so innocent it is it the sis The changes them is that their own hunger for power. Is it what the or the order they always an authentic? Well, first, I'd like to say that I don't have you noticed, but I come from a bit of art, Local dynasty, myself, I was on the austrian government several times and I got my dad one on the run off national election in braden, beach, florida anything like seven hundred people there, so your dad got you. The job yeah were basically valuable.

in paris to the kennedys, my yes with the politicians, as that and you can you can it now as were becoming more like cognizant as people to the political process. I think the process corrupts people and I think I don't know the ins and outs of it: I've listen to people who are far more educated on the main. I am unpack to cite any of their points. I think you can see it a little bit and dan Crenshaw can I say this yet so elegant I really like dan, especially a year and a half ago, he said very levelheaded it. here to me now that, as he pay there's more and more to the right. It's because he's. Setting himself opera for presidential run its course that's happening any just it seemed like the same authentic ideals. Oriented guy did he did a year and a half ago now I could be wrong and that could be way off, but I think that you can take. Someone is honest, as you want to

start them on that path. To the presidency. You become so unbelievably beholden to so many people and entities along the way, by the time you get to the final destination, the oval office, you're doing is paying back the favours that got you there and you never get to serve the people you're supposed to serve europe. Your private focuses on your office and not on the people that you're supposed to be helping? I think that's a human, longest problem in like we could talk all about campaign finance reform in the two party system, but at the end the day people who are running for political posts there, working to keep a job for not working to improve the lives of the constituents, which is different. a long time ago, like a lot of politicians like those warlike part time jobs. They held other posts in you know out west they were ranchers by day and sheriff whatever the case might be, but now you are such a

cushy path for the rest of your life, that the goal is to just be a politician. Not do the thing that you think a politician is supposed to deal denies a problem by the world are taught to down on this bugs, This way, I, like the version, him from a year ago and have been really paying attention. Toby, we pay me attention now and ask him that exact question like how'd, you prevent yourself, china changing can becoming what the the it became I I tend to believe I just conspiratorial software cleanse all these politicians that tend to believe that there were actually good, thoughtful people. Can the day at some point in the system changes them on the if even the system. There's something about just the process of campaigning. I just think it as you down to where, if you look at the percentage of time you spend on the kinds of conversations you have it's like one, you These speeches, which europeans

same thing over and over and over it beats the year. The process of thinking exhaust your brain to where you're, not thinking anymore, you just repeating is very right- is exceptionally difficult to keep making speech after speech. As a speech the saying the same thing over and over and over again and at the same time thinking deeply and changing your mind and learning and, and also the pandering to financial like having phone calls, lake on raising all those kinds of things they do not. They spend most of their time fundraising, raising the worried about anything side and drive but I was going to say that you can see there's a few or like the the more tension in the higher regard your held in your community in the more sycophants like continue to blow, smoke up your ass, the more chain is the way you present yourself and you can see it in every walk of life. I mean it's who is a tiny, tiny little section of the world, but you see

did the do to community when someone all of a sudden starts a social media page or whatever, and they get a bunch of peace, or like? Basically, like you know, cyber for leading them on their instagram page. This they changed the ladys at a word, things up so giving fellatio yeah circulating, yeah jamie. Look it up, I think but in those people the village changes their character changes who they are because they become emboldened in it you know now they ve got two significant cyber ma, behind them, there's a sign at the interests you Jim there is for every moment of triumph. It's a quote by hunters thompson. Areas for every moment of triumph for every instance of beauty many souls must be trampled. What is this caught me too? that quote to me is about mostly about sacrifice and about.

to achieve anything, grey or anything beautiful or to triumph have to have sacrificed so many things to get there unless you're the most unbelievably genetically gifted person in the world and greatness is just you know, falls upon you to rein in from the sky. I think on you path to greatness on your path to success and triumph. You leave a lot of carnage in your wake personal relationships, other goals, things didn't pursue, do you no other unfulfilled dreams- and you kind have to sell a lot of that out in order to be really the at- the peak of your field or or what you want to be That happened in my life, I mean there's tons and tons of relationships that you know couldn't survive. The way that I live in my life, because when I was trying to be a big time, fight,

or like when I was just training all the time. Tons of relationships does themselves. Naturally, some so naturally, some people, At some people, dont get it some people hate you, you missed of other opportunities, and I think, that's kind of what that court means me. It's a bit about sacrifice it's about your giving up. What you want now for what you, more in its The trampling of souls is messy to cause it's not clear what what the right path is night that sacrifice This is not obvious that are, as those rights advice is sacrifices to make you might be You might be ruining your own life, but the. Are you willing to take that risk? and serve go all in on the weather, stupid or not to go online on something that the positive

the possibility of creating something beautiful there who says it's stupid if you're going all and I you don't think it's stupid. Someone else my think it stupid, but I mean who really cares. what I'm of many minds on many things I feel like their certain mines. certain most of the day when you think it's stupid, relationships is a beautiful and witches. you ve seen a movie whiplash patients. Yes, It seems, like in a man's life could a woman's by? Am I don't? I don't? as a woman. So I know the man them the little Gaza twenty twenty raw, but my lived experience for now. is, that of a man was see by tomorrow, and there is in the pursuit of excellence. There is often a choice of Some of the souls them must be trampled a personal relationships

with humans in your life that you deeply care about, it could be. Family could be friends to be loved ones of all different forms. It could be the people that. Colleagues that are dependent on knew people who will lose jobs because of the decision to make all this kind of stuff. It seems at that it happens, and sure that sacrifices always correct one like To me, the movie whiplash for people haven't seen the spoiler Maybe I uneven of that movie. Hasn't he spoilers. There is a relationship with the female there's, a student as a drummer, as pursuing excellence of this particular art form. Of drumming, and he has a a fleeting relationship where the female and he says in his structure this pushing him to his limits in what appears to be off leo out like a toxic relationship- and he chooses not chooses

He naturally make The decision to set her face the romance ikr relationship with a woman in further pursuit of this kind. Ass of this chaotic pursuit of excellence, feel that doesn't feel like deliberate decision. a giant mess of. An emotional mass where you're just like kind of fish swimming against strangest psych, fuck it you, like of all the things that convention as you should appreciate you, throw it possibly of stable life. A comfortable life over was this he says is a meaningful life and just pursue this crazy thing. Full of tax says seeming toxicity with care, people surrounding it? so. I don't know what the right decision is a part of my

he says you should stay with the girl fuck, that structure this making you this Can you took to places where a site that are destructive the destructive. I could lead to suicide. Colleen The two are come lately fail or fail on your pursuit of excellence or destroy the possible that you destroyed dream, the passionate pursuit of the thing they ve always dream for in that case is drumming. I don't know I'm a many minds their god is the right thing to do so. My first, not our number one fact convention what is convention if I got some laid out plath path, some linear progression of the way your life is supposed to go like you that someone can draw a picture of at the end that shit's let responses wine and whatever in its I dont want to say that its cowardly, because it isn't cowardly, but for some and was not conventional to not be

on conventional is cowardly to get sucked into the convention. That's first, second of all I believe that sea in the diner in that movie, where he tells her. You're in my way, because I'm gonna want to be with you or your going to want me to be going out to dinner with you. I know I should be practising or no, I should be training and Ultimately, I wanna make a meter gonna feel bad about not being with you by train or I'm going skip the training to be with you. Neither one is right. The whole thing if they mention, and that is that that's wrong girl. That's the wrong girl. The right girl is a gangster. The right girl says: oh yeah yeah. You practice tonight I'll leave you sandwich in some milk, so that you can. You know our outside the door, Let me know we you're done or you have some like free time. Take the right girl compliments that she's not payment in anyway, even If what you want to do is be with her. So much

You're, putting the drums down you're, putting the base down or you're picking up the pizza you're, not going to training like that girl not even telling you why she's making decisions is making decisions to help. You achieve your goal now that, It sounds like some like about chauvinistic king in the castle type shit like where everyone she cater to you. But the fact of the matter is that it is a compliment to your life and helping you do your thing in own way, you're helping them to achieve whatever their goals are also, uncommon they have to people under the same roof striving to be unbelievably excellent in in small area, not impossible, but its uncommon, like relationships have to be like binary systems. I two stars like the gravitational pull is what keeps together and circling around one another right and in you know,

one is bigger than the other and fluctuate amino. The stars will get bigger and they'll get small in their contract based positioning- and you know, composition that The way relationship should be not an asked. I'd coming in to disrupt you know: you're dead for of your planet me ass. A binary system is a compliment. Darker was the wrong girlfriend, so you should like the bay. Unconventional dreams should not be adjusted to fit into this world. Is there any it there's a part of me. That's like foresaw tat would maybe you're just a dick, maybe maybe hairs lex, so person who hers this is by the byways. Somebody who is you You have recently gun were recently span of the history of the universe is recently got into a relationship. We always You have not felt the need to

be in their relationship. Just because you're supposed to buy societies, kind of colonel momentum viewed. I think that if you really want anything, you ve gotta be prepared fully to be the exact opposite, if you're a person, who's looking for a relationship. The only way you're going to get in an awesome relationship is by being comfortable being alone, because that's the risk, if your person, was driven by money. You gotta be comfortable being totally poor, because the risk right and we went when you're we are constantly hedging. Your bet you never all in you know, all in on the thing you're trying to do our relationship as a compliment. Your life, you can't say it's: ok, you want to be in a relationship, but you can't want to be in a relationship so bad, You take someone in who fits the soup and it's like. Oh, yet your kind of work out you live near me in this, not another thing, because logistics of a relationship are not always perfect. It's what

matters is when the two people are together. That's the perfect part of it and. It's great to want to meet people and say if we meet and some sort of a relationship develops to run with it, but meaning, you hoping a relationship, develops, I think you're gonna put the court For the horse and a lot of those situations, if like when guys me like oh guy goes out and, as I come looking for a brawl right, What he does that you go to the gym and you run into a bunch of dudes and the next thing you know someone's cool and they want to talk about fighting and you're fucking shot. And beers and all of a sudden you've got a brow and that's how it works. It works the same same way with a shotgun and beers. I'll show you after this and poke a hole in the bottom and you open the top yeah yeah. This is the problem with america during like, like a man, ok, not dumping, rules and bears this is the problem of the fat culture.

There really not a drink. They think that oughta drink there not drink. What do you think. makes a successful relationship with again linger. On that a little longer like, let me ask john clark about love, and ask a question. But let me just say: love about love. Are you one of those people who never says? I love you now now, I'm an extreme per and like my motions are also extreme and one of the things I concern myself with me This is philosophical and martial arts warrior soldier type related stuff is like I don't know. Anyone if I die tonight on the drive home, hopefully that, and I hope that now

one, is left questioning, I felt about them and people. I d, like probably, are not questioning that and so that the thing I've had to learn how to do later in life is to tell the people that you care about that you care about them and each thing can be equally off putting to the receiver of the message can be equally williams, lending them when you're letting someone know how much you dislike them that can be off putting to the person receiving that message. tell someone homage you care about them. They can also be off putting to the person, depending on how they view their relationship with you. But it's done and to get it out there. But you shouldn't should hold those things in because you're worried about how they'll be received or they'll come back at you see Ok gone all in on these yeah. Do not afraid a commitment.

No, I'm not afraid of commitment. Anyone who says they're afraid of commitment is full of shit. You know what they're afraid of they're afraid of commitment with that person. That's what they're afraid of like I know one when someone knox you jerk, are you on your ass and they come into your life in europe watch with all these emotions? You're not worried about really like commitment. No, because they ve knock you on your ass, you want to be with them. You want those things that the two most alive points in your life. I think people feel as the euphoria of a new relationship and the long the loss. When that love is gone, You'll never feel more. I don't think then, in those those moments and in your life through the night, Thing about the loss is it last longer yeah, that's a lucy K point he makes, which is like That that they got he in his show, I think, is there

conversation with an older german that says like death, his favorite part of their relationship. Is there period between the loss, of the relationship and the real death, which is forgetting the person but that period lasts the longest and that's the most fulfilling like. Missing the other person is as fulfilling the actual, like love, infatuation is interesting, also The book ass gay. I return to that. There's little clip of him in an interview. Saying that I love is the fog that dissipates would the fur light of reality, some fight there so basically, for sizing that it's, this very very, very fleeting thing that it's a it's a it's a moments thing and then it just fades and everything else is is something else. I love is only a temporary thing, which is

setting some people say that's go I don't know not to think of it. I think it's important to understand that every thing is bleeding when you don't put effort into it. Almost everything will be fleeting if you open effort into it, most people will get fat and lazy. If you don't put effort into something, are going to not be good at playing guitar or plain base? You gotta, put effort into the same thing goes for a relationship that the the awesome part of it that, like love part, die soon an early on in a relationship because its so good that we think we know. After all, got it we do How do I keep doing the things you gotta? Keep things new and crisp and fresh and you know we when you did people, probably feel differently about this, but ike an hour you walk around your girl, and you start like far and stuff like that, when it all dies, yeah, that's when it dies. You know

we're all human beings well knew. No, have you know well here in our bodies, work in the same way, but, like you start to chip away Dislike beautiful thing, when you, when you stop, when you bought conventional courtesy, and in things like that, we'll take it for granted. Take figure for granted. The same thing with life is like. It's the same big fan meditating on death. They you could die today in the same way you should meditate. Unlike this relationship, could end today actual another human could be this. The last time you could die, you could be interacting your chances of that increase when you take it for granted, and you should on people, but when work at it. The chances of that decrease snot, it's never gonna be zero, but a decreases in when you do that when you a person in your you're trying to maintain in your trying to her in a word at the relationship you gotta

make sure that both people are working at it. Otherwise you're, just a fucking chump let's return back to mix martial arts, let me ask the ridiculous question of who do you think, are the top three, maybe top five greatest fighters of all time it's so hard to compare fighters across generally actions. I may be a one way to say it is which metrics would you put on the table? as to measure what a great fighters. There was a guy named dioxin puss in the fourth century, and he was such a bad ass that in the olympics, in three thirty six pc, no one even showed up to fight him in the pink ration event. Nobody even showed up cause he's fucking everybody years later he was retired and

this crazy. Macedonian do came there at some dinner, for you now Alex hinder the great ones chillun drinkin, you know whatever they were drinking out of their challenges and you don't do it. Threatened them and challenged him so dialogues procedure what throw down amino they said the time and the place, Don't do it comes out like body armor spear shield, although the shit docks was came out, absolutely naked with a wooden club and took on this much younger guy, beat the living crap out of a man and put his foot on his throat and then didn't even kill him in the show of ultimate power for the time. So I think there's something about the guy being naked two issues. extra demeaning extra d. Me yeah I'll, get you to give me rephrase the question then, because those are clearly going to be some probably forgotten warriors in history books.

They could to like modern day mixed martial arts in the usa pratt, while just mixed martial arts there who do you think of that, First of all time. What metrics would you consider in in train to answer this- perhaps unanswerable question- I think the things you want to think about his strength of opponent. At the time you fought them so far. Example, fighting be japan in its prime and beating him is far different and beating be japan last year. Right so to say, you have a voice over beat a ban is not the same given the time frame of when it happened not to do Anything away from anyone was being be japan. just use that, as an example of someone was career, went into a different direction, I would say the guy who, I think, has probably the best that people the least familiar whether it be marilla was demanding. I think He was a guy who

was one of the guys with the first really good physical. Hold for Emma may, which I think is narrow from the chest to the back and long shoulder to shoulder. Kind of sinewy made out a steel, cable, thousands, good box thousands who can russell and thou zero? A great jujitsu here I wasn't right kit boxer, but at the time he didn't need. It fought everybody and gave everybody, IRAN, I think he's probably one of those guys who's gonna be considered either few killers than never cosette. As you know, the discussion because, like I think, greatness, requires both the the skill and opportunity interview each other, and when you talk about a fighter other thing that really a good fighter needs to become great as a foil, yeah and many fighters don't have a foil, that's one of the biggest. tracking, I think of early. My thyssen's career, he didn't have a foil

he had no one driving and by the time he day by the time he had a foil unholy filled his career in a different place, but he he's one of the great autonomy in a really good at a foil. So his greatness was in on on parallel destruction of like nobody, s well enough. Beyond of lesser opponents right and so when people debate in our level of greatness of my thyssen, that's one of the things they say he didn't find a lotta killers in their prime. I think you ve, obviously got to say In that conversation, I have a really difficult time, keeping George saint Pierre out of account conversation only because He was able to be you with anything he could. He could out job you he get out. Wrestle you naked, he could submit you, the problem I have with fate or is his career also took a drastic. and towards the end.

And when he was fighting and pride he was doing a lot more. grappling I just started casting overhand right at people and You ain't, gonna, change that point. You can't you getting away from his greatness, but at that time, the heavyweights- were not really in fighting and pride in the dinner really exist. Yet by the time he fought a really good one for breach over noon. He did gets matter. There does does his later performance color, you are you in our perception of his greatness that goes in general about fighters now, mine, but I'm someone who's that intimately involved in sport, but a colors someone. One else is seamen, innocent silver, innocence. Others want to fight me seven years or something or is it he had one, that's a guy. Who, in his prime was one of the best fighters is in the top five for you

he's, probably the top five year greater strike of all time Mona in germany and in mixed marshal and mix martial arts. That's a tough question. The greatest enemy strike Has the timing, the words are roma foot sweeps right here. makes it look easier. I now understand, sir. I think in an incredibly shit. sample of his prime gotta, be anderson silver, and I think you have to consider nothing we oughta cheetah for unbelievable manipulation of distance, which is something People really talk too much about in terms of fighting. Unless you're someone in sport is his, you distance in the bill, to like what we call pop out like in may, miss by one inch so that you can follow your fists back in as you retract it in a hit you over the top that that's a thing

beauty anderson's over when he became a counter striker when he got to his prime and yo see. That was a thing of beauty, ass, a thing of beauty. So I think definitely those two guys and marilla was he's gotta be the third guy, they're, just so many good guys now. So, where do you put in tourism metrics? You must just be inertia. So I think there are a large number of defenses of a title. Is that important to like this kind of consumers and domination now, because assume it's it's easily manipulated by the people making money off the fights? So there is a great well one time when you, if you would come into prominence anna, smith, man from the doubly w e? He said you know the difference between what We you and what you see does is that when we a superstar, I can make sure he stays on top until he's no longer superstar, because we have predetermine results. Yossi can't do

that, because they're actually having fights while its true and false, you can't do that. But you can give. your superstars, the most favourable match ups to keep them on top for the longest, so people talk about title defences as if the guy their fight the challenger is always the person most deserving of the shot and she's. Not yours, I don't put damage stock in it is possible to put a guide in the unknown in consideration is one of the rates if all their head is one or two amazing fights I'll. Tell you like and an amazing could be a lot of different definitions that could be just a war. They never really reached the highest of excellence of domination, but they've like this. the discussion about the car bosniak up to me as a perfect example. Here, this famous fight against would be muggah match up shut up

If I were you on one side, you have an anderson silva type of fighter and ends it'd, be like just a very good striker. like and then there's like. The warrior on on the cow and just the fight. They created something special together with was night whatever, but the you that fight. Special on that night, because, because the two days partners, you can have of a great performance without being a great fight or not saying neither those guys his great fighter. But to answer your first question, ah, I I think that having one or two great performances does not necessarily mean that you're great, when I need a larger sample size, I have no idea what that is. I don't have any idea what that is, and also where

how much weight does toughness have when you're thinking about the criteria. When you define a great fighter, that's debts, That's a good question the answer to it are the underdog, their rises to the occasion, through brute force they didn't They bring the skill set to the table that, and perhaps some of the great house rose to the occasion I mean there's something about that. There's something that until now were- more talking about like the internal attributes, as opposed to the external physical attributes, and those are the things. I think that you cannot teach those things. you, you come in the door and you too have that. Are you don't? I think, and we talked this all the time- and this is one of the things were my mind- changes regularly the gum. What makes it minor. Is it? Is it borders it bread? And this week of the opinion that it in you and maybe it in a new suppressant and people can teach it out of you, but I don't think you can makes

one who doesn't have that seed in there and I think you can turn them into that great. Were you at that level of grit and mental toughness now and that that fight when calvin? to be so unique situation for both guys. It was kind of later later. Replacement fight for kyle beat star, was on the rise and kyle put the blueprint out down out of beats a b which is which is pressure. Him enshrine, drag him into the late rounds. You notice that later on, when calvin cater for them, they wouldn't given five rounds they on five rounds in the beats camp from what I understand would not agree to the five round fight. Will you didn't look right so with cows? We ran fiery round fight, and what did you want to decision and went to decision when you beat one decision? Clearly what did com a shadowy and third round. I don't remember the exact score, but cow could have one,

third round eddie donna couple things differently, but I do believe in the fourth, round and entire wouldn't want a further on, and I think, maybe even when the fight and if there would have been a fifth round and he was pressing forward raw like perhaps in a funny way that you could turn around but he felt like he wasn't emphasising like had movement at that point you for my thyssen. There was, and there was a point at which so it's funny that you say that we have got interdiction actually because my present a emily. I actually don't know exactly what I mean because he was in the ok, I think he was trying to do the movement uses in the pocket and pressing forward and like this de facto attitude, just like, I was a little bit later wins a beat back was towards age thursday. So around the week we get that fight, I said to kyler like look this kid has been training martial arts, since he was three years old, There is not an area where you ve been out technical, and so we,

now channel some of that grit that we know you have. This is an opportunity to showcase it and I don't know how long I did it for. But I am concerned much shorter than to be self a good long while, while we're training for is a b at anyone, say anything, and I just had come of my thyssen. Training on the tv and the jam and the head movement had even mention. and then we started till I get into it and talk about you know getting inside the length of the longer fighter and things like that and we we kind of which, when some people train them and may ok, this guy's a The good wrestler, let's think about avoiding the wrestling or be a better wrestler, and I think that when the france and skill is so great those both the wrong answer. if a guy has a really good wrestler wants to take you down, and you don't have a lot of wrestling experience he's probably going to get you down. If he's got a good coach right, so you have to deal with that.

Then say. I'm gonna then learn in eight weeks how to wrestle better than a guy has been wrestling since he was eight years old is also about idea, so we concentrated on for that camp and worked beautifully was not getting in chain wrestling these I take guns, you're gonna get caught with this, how to not get caught with the next step, while you're defending take down one, because it's the chain of techniques that are going to fact right. So we talked we did a ton of work on get up in breakin hands from various again. That is why we do not remember exactly that neatly work on concentrated on defend the first down and stay out of the chain, don't changed into a bunch of wrestling techniques. Could you will be out wrestled, and I was really just one in a third round to beat was tired and are you tired, if he got hired, he cuts a tremendous amount of weight. Yeah like I, I can't see him staying at one, forty five forever when they start giving him five round fights. I don't even know if he's on a five round fight any man, but I

I can't see him stay anomalies, because six, one god it is a giant of a guy, so kyle were there and he said he felt that there is no power left in the beats hands, and so he felt fine and I think part of it which he set off crowd ass? He moved forward and arm. You know saw that he would in taking a lot of damage like the punches warrants them he started. Walk I threw it away the question of what makes a fighter was the him walking forward like that something that you born with, or is there something training. Is that not the mike tyson, And these worn with that kyle's born with that and the crowd I've been in austin, knows in new york- is in brooklyn. I've been in a lot of arenas for a lot of different sporting events. That's one of the loudest things heard when he that I was going crazy an arm you asked, that being like taught or not

kyle is so much like that that I have to try and t some of that out of him, because he's also solve a technical when he wants to be a death. The emotion and the fun of it gets in the way of his technique. In probably, is ask them a couple of a couple of in. So that's one of the things we work on with him right now. It's like staying within yourself being a professional. He taken the time to download the information and round one. And then starting your fine round here, but the tension between those two things. What makes what on that day created one. The in my opinion one of the greatest fight. I've ever seen you're gonna, greece yeah as one august? but I've seen him ever seen. So, like you, his fire use a coach. I can see them frustration of lake like throwing away some of the strategy kind of thing you seem like being not happy that there could be things that he could have done to win the fight. In retrospect, I think that at that time we were playing with him

credible house money, I can was a gigantic underdog. In that fight. The beat was unstuck, Well, I think people were probably picking him to finish the fight in round one. I think at that point no one had ever gone the distance with the beat and no one certainly had you know, put that kind of performance together and I think Kyle ah but the blueprint out there and in retrospect When I look at the last round, yet we're things that could have been done differently, but we're pirate. money at that point, like I mean let fly you two point where you ve gotta you down three rounds in his twenty seconds. Left you get him a wire chips to the centre of the table, and you now see what happens. Or jargon, said about it, as I remember he got one over ring have trouble. Remember exactly. We talked about our fight any exception impressed by jos from Boston. So it's like yeah, I this story. There is such that unites. You naturally want to romanticize like theirs

rocky verses I this alright on for it or other similar, I suppose chemistry, cows I'll represents the american ideal, hide the spirits I mean it, Why starts like you? Couldn't you gotta dragged him laughter ok, so yeah three hours before the fight and said hey, you want to go fight and he would have said yes, and that was a special fight. But that's. As per discussion of the greatest fighters of all time, I tend to believe that that fight is more special than the champ. Indeed, We should build defences by age or saint Pierre, like there's something to that Rocky rocky one, is more special. Then, like rocky three by so its though that, but the underdog or whatever like the dance partners, are going to war and neck.

moment the moment, its bigger and bigger than any individual fighter. They create that and that I note that perhaps good for a career not good for like enters a money in terms of longevity injures, all those causa things, but that's a special moment in history, fighting that you both created. I can remember like right after, like this moment, excitement in the air during the third round, and I remember being in the corner and like I I was so cited at the end of it that I had forgotten what happened in the other two rounds. I didn't even know one and and, and I looked to two sean when their economy- and I think I saw him, did we win when you re watch the fight, Clearly we do when the fight any we lost the other ass. I got so caught up in that mom in an I just remember like I was in all of his perform that, like I forgot what is going on and I in it. So To not be a fan at that moment into stay within yourself in time on a coach, but then what the fuck you even at that point, it's a wolf, we're rumble

we have thirty seconds we're trying to win here, and I remember like the performance itself I'm not a fan of moral victories, but if ever there was gonna be one that was one and when, If I was over, I grab kyle like deeds. The danube to the centre of the cage yet- and I just hope him I said you're my fucking europe and I remember being very emotional about that, and I was able to be a part of that. It is to say, but I was a kid. avoided saying it, but I think, if I'm being honest with my feelings, this is a safe space for feel there is, I, think it was. The greatest makes martial arts fight of everything and I don't think I'm being bias. I was ass. You think I like am, I being buys. I honestly don't think so. I think that was a graceful like if you want to rank fights have ever seen it. I think to me that was the greatest fight ever seen. It certainly was one of the greatest displays of like just dogged effort from an underdog who was out experienced an

probably outside, but I mean, like you just because one of those kids you're never gonna, tell him he's out of a fight. He has something you can't teach and I've seen tons of people with more physical attributes, energy mental midgets and they got a million dollar body, not fifty cent heart and in kyle is not that and you can't teacher no matter what you do, but that was I would say, like my career in combat sports, which spans you know of you, want to go all the way back to like wrestling like That was one of probably the greatest experience that I've been a part of the bitter sweet. Sport is efficient, mistress. Yeah, I'm in the tragic aspect of that is on. like. I guess car lost, so I give you look the record and other kind of things, perhaps I get you look at the career, maybe like as

financial, from a financial perspective. That perhaps does not the it is time for career, or that already in the history of the sea. Perhaps it's not it's not. You know like me, many people didn't even watch that fight, but a special moment that stands in it. She does not. Many of these in in the history of fighting. So but at the end of the day, when you look at someone's career in europe, see like. financially, there's a minnow, a handful. People that make real money everybody else- makes nothing, there's a handful of people to make real money so that did that lost cost him. in the end, the near term sure? But when you look, on your life. You're, not gonna. Look back on that loss are something that derailed my life financially and I never recovered from it. As I can happen, it like this

The thing is, unless you were a champion- and you know most most, people are going to be forgotten right after they're gone, most people will be forgotten and if you're not forgotten, certainly, if your accolades are gonna be misrepresented either they're gonna be inflated or diminished, one where the other. So look him. I got it. It's just so hard to to quantify that experience in like when you're in moment you're one of the people like intimately involved in it the value of that experience supersedes the financial game, where would you put, could be in the discussion of the greatest autopsy. Recently we together we watched the fight, a famine. Engaging in and could be retired. Would you put him up there as some of the as one of the greatest or did he never truly find his foil that, like the great warrior that challenged him

and maybe you do it. Do you think he's retired. Now to answer the question about being fully retired. I don't have any idea. I can't for a second pretend to. Think that I understand the way that people from that part of the world think and respect their family and things like that to an amount Herkimer says. Oh, I promised my mom. I wouldn't do it. I mean I promised my mom. I wouldn't do a lot of things. I went right out the fucking back door and did them yet, but I think it means something different to people in different parts of the world. So I have no idea what kind of way tat carries. So I can answer that I can and say to allow at times when people think about great fighters, they think about the asp- that make up anime they think of Emma may as a pie and they're all the. Different pieces that make up for make up the pie, It is this peace and how good as this peace, in our good as this peace, when fact of the matter is.

You only need one really really really good piece in the other pieces are complimentary pieces to get you. to where you are the strongest and if, wanna tell me there could be not the greatest enemy fighter, because here have really slick striking you May god argument, but what I can tell you is copied has enough striking to get him to his grappling where he is clear, really the best guy one, fifty five they ever seen. So does that mean The greatest fighter, edna, not division or not to your point about the foil They want o connor to be his foil. Any manhandled em, I mean they wanted then happen did not happen. So there there is a kind of argument you remained, which we caught him not you get haters and this argument, and and you're going to one of the hairs gas, because I know you're hush are put at last.

of admiration, fur conor macgregor, but you know what is it for bosnia benches yeah, there's there's a sense. Were you know that conner there's an argument to be made that conor wasn't exactly dominated that he I've been dammit, meaning then you phrase it differently is there's a lot of points in the fight that it could have a different trajectory, right, could have happened, so he wasn't so far from having a chance at winning. That fight is just the end. You can follow. It is the most important moments at the end. That is the most important moments right, but the road less taken, it could have been if he didn't lose those very important moments. we had a chance out? I'm saying out of all the people that can be fought,

Is arguable that corner was up there of the people they had a chance? Let me say this: first, I love you so much. Heed for love could be a huge. van is I'm. A grab were first and foremost need to, because I'm also russian, I love could be calm down okay, but when, when when connor came on the scene, I loved connor, because I'm an irish american and you know I want to support him and things like that, and he was. He was good fun. He he got for my personal taste, you got to be too much. all the people could be has fought I would never forgot her again. If I were him, here's. Why? And I said about the day s fight, nate, dears, who is one of my favorite fighters- has fought the exacting fight for twelve years. Conner which something up to give himself an edge, and I leave that connor would figure something out and fight number two. I think, but I also

they gave you would give, could be problems where it wouldn't be matter of I'm gonna out. Wrestle could be or come better at Funding his wrestling takedown conner figured out a way to not get wrestled. I feel like he's constantly changing, he's constantly evolving and whether or not people realize it or not. I think connor's, one of the better overall athletes and emma may just from looking at his body in his movement and the way he shaped he's got a very tiny waste. He's got really pronounced, galoots and shoulders and I think he's for a real after it was a lot of guys in a mayor not for real athletes, they're just good at one of the things that makes up enemy. I understand what you're saying about. If this If that happened, but you could say that about every single combat sports than ever. If spinks his hook line and I landed on thyssen. Maybe that fight demand the way that it did not you not. It didn't ya, see right, but if you can talk about just conor macgregor first second, I can't wait

to get your fan, mail or hate mail. Speak too innovation of carter. I don't hear very many people making this argument, but is it possible make an argument that car macgregor is one of the greatest fires of all time. It's an interesting argument and the problem. The only problem with the argument is so much emotion on either side. Yet I had a conversation. Sorry to interrupt with the urine. who is a philosopher, objective, ist and which the philosophy of vine rand, And the amount of emotion around that particular human, his fascinating to meet someone two of the amount of emotion around donald trump. You can think of different person, maybe you're musk, those but that aren't willing to have mind changed two emotionally attached to the argument here, but if we that? Why do we? Why why some people inspires so much emotion

and others don't become a regular. I feel like nobody's able to have a calm like a fight analysis of the guy. Like look to me as a gesture, fan of martial arts, like I said judy. I want love watching just hours of jail in pig judo and appreciating are from like I forget, the humans involved Tell you in air, whose have you a heavy weight and most probably most domino heavyweight in his have just studying his gripping, just the art of it and who cares if, shit. Talking to me, I I put that aside and just look at the art and like what I really appreciate about how to Macgregor is his innovation, like of movement of

Maybe it's romanticized. Maybe you can correct me, I'm just a chill eating fan of much martial arts. Like ice. I seem to detect more innovation than almost any other fighter that I've pay a pay attention to incur caught him again, I think the first two I'll answer in two parts? I think well, I'm not going to answer the first part of the comment, because you didn't ask the question: What was the question? How do you remember about the- Conor macgregor fans are very emotional and canada, gunnar detractors, a very emotional I think, fit has become very emotional. They become cheerleaders of someone, conor, macgregor or donald trump, because they see that, person exhibiting the qualities that they themselves lack? cheerleaders for that right, and I think that for the most part people Detractors of connemara figures do not really conor macgregor detractors detract of Connor supporters there's a beef that they have with the people in that bucket.

It is not really a problem, and that applies probably in on current political climate right donald trump. with the left and the right, there is more about lake they are there actually I don't like, on the other, the caricature, the most extreme version. Of what they see in this report is of the other side. He asked by adding the more interesting thing is that the fighter himself, so, let's put the sport, is a side I would, I would say, you know what some people now some people don't knows corners bases in karachi and the karate style, caught him again or stephen thomson ugly? mathilda- that above distance management a lot of times we think. As marshall artists, we think that the sport version of the art chosen to pursue some- attains the authenticity and the effectiveness of it.

Point. Karate is what led to that in and out distance management style of corner of the oda and of stephen thomson. They all I use it a little bit differently, but they use it very effectively. All three of them in that comes from a world of trying to kind of like steppin land contact on you for my point and then get back out before you can. Counterstrike me right now where that comes from corners stiva longer arms, then summoned his height, probably normally has. Movement is just so far would he so athletic with god the hinges of his body, the means and the hips the swivel of his body, which also the hips and shoulders his movement is dead since in the way he sets people up for the straight left hand, while yours, circling away from it and he can still land it, which is what he did to chad. Mendez hit him with a stick. left. While he was circling away from it,

that is something that is very beautiful to watch in some those people see the kicks and they see all the flashy snap kicks in the sidekicks. All that stuff he's doing, is setting people up for the left hand at all. It's doing it's your call Alan people you're following people, your leading the dance and you're bringing them, spot. Where you know you can learn that left hand and his ability to do that is masterful, People constantly shit on his ability to grapple on. You know because a couple of his losses have been too jujitsu guys or grabbers, but it too the good guys, anyone who's going to sit here and tell me conor mcgregor is not a good grappler grappling yeah. Let me see you grappling to that point also say people will use Conor macgregor ex guard sweep on night Diaz as evidence to High level grappling in that fight, I would also counter media

fight that off because he knew he was so much better at you, jets off the bottom aid and even care if he got swept so it's kind of a gunnar, innovative, absolutely is one of the best fighters. Ever it's tough task. because he's such a cash cow that he was fed people. I firmly believe. No one whom coup put that Conor Macgregor could be played together, thought could be, but when I remember so at that time it was not completely clear. There is a myth, the great could be re, wasn't completely clear. How good is he really say that interesting think any was unclear how good corner also like were discussed. I think to me maybe part of my admiration. Conor mcgregor is rooted in the fact that I there's no way he beats josie. and I thought there's. No definitely no way he be thirty hours and so like,

He did. I was like tat, I might might I add. My brain was like there's some broken it shut down like on windows. I rose to rethink this make. This is especially human. people are you he's not even in the running of like top. Twenty is If you look at the number of defences, for example of his body, he had very very little boy to me. I'm one of those peoples backyard discussion of like do moments, make great fighters that I think- being able to be josie all donors- I would argue in his prime some people- might disagree in this. In a way were like figures out the plaza gets in his head the entirety of the picture and then to be I mean any others. Would he be? consider rig strong wrestler. I like they were not not strong rest,

the strong striker rest of a good, the combination of it and also one was the other russia. He fought members chairman let me come in and all those if I may so I the chad, mendous fight life, and there was a jew If the tournament were out in vegas, and so me and my best friend came out and we got some tickets, that night was supposed to be the. first, the audio fight other got hurt like right after about the tickets they pull Chad members in. He was a little bit out of shape. Are you still going to fight the fight? But I don't. I dont want to use that fight, as evidenced connor's greatness, because you know they pull Chad mendous in use like hunting in turn, can beers in the woods and was a little out of shape, but you want to talk about greatness that surpasses year, in ring accomplishments. In the stands at night. In the past, well, that came from ireland to see conor fight that night single handedly set the market?

a hotel room prices and airline tickets to vegas that weaken these mother Workers were all dress like corner in the stands. The ad wolves suits on and big beards and the whole thing I mean I'm a priori pocket watches like I. Never some more people trying to be someone else. Net some more people try to be someone else. I mean. There's a level of Is there a level of greatness? In that I mean I don't know how to like party or that out you're someone who doesn't admire that? I love that in this sense the following says. I think people don't seem to hold this belief at all. But to me fighting is not just. This isn't like a quiet street fight, that nobody watches. This is also. Spectacles is also story. Right, there's like there's a profound: resting arm into this. This is not like you. You think it's just about fight just about fighting you, wouldn't I mean there's a story,

tuna guesses right you're, just trying to get to end, like greatness, has to incorporate the people that criticism has again. I might be wrong in this, but I honestly think that economy gregor not new. as much as could be, but he is a true marshall artists. I think he respects his opponents, despite The talk I, if maybe I'm, misreading it, but it feels like he is storyteller like a son and type of like he's, constructed this image to turn the two are to play the story just the way he acts. After the fight the honor, he shows as opponents yeah. There is a real martial arts is in there and to dismiss the fact that the than the story of the fight is part of it, because he doesn't just shit. Talk this. What people don't seem to understand he good shit, talking very good, and I am I'm with you on a basically everything. You said, I think, there's

Greatness to that, and I think that he understands how to sell a fight, and I think. What he did to jose out by getting in his head helped him when that fight. He insult Did they I'll go in his country, so much that He knew how there was going to come forward right into that left talk was faint brazil by the way, remember I dont recalls. I know I do the sultan doll of brazil. May I assure you it s in brazil, but when just do it could be. You could tell the aegis. It's not gonna get, it could be said, could be was unflappable, but there is there is definitely something great about how he moves- people the irish are are like I mean Conner, walk out music for people, from ireland and of irish descent, like that shit is very deep near you know,

it's very emotional song. I was to be honest. A little bit upset with could be that he didn't rise. I admire or that entire culture there's an aspect to where he could have risen to the occasion of There is the same kind of depth of love of country that russia has and is there in dagestan, dogs? it is a little weird in terms of like, but he could of with special with putin support were arr a bit the full russian hat of like this the great nation like rise above. the the culture of dagestan and which is the small town boy, with a small town values of family, all those kinds of things there's a moment. Will you inspire entire nations leg the stuff bob and be the foil to the to the grey economy.

Megawatt were also could be because the floor to like both both of them at the fourth each other and become like that fight was already a grey fight right, but it could have been something historic ali versus freight. I mean it could have been really historic and I Would argue- and I guess biggest disappointment. I have- and I understand it, and I also honour as the marshal artists but two, I am disappointed that could be doesn't seem to even Consider the possibility of doing in moscow fight number two so and because that could the narrative wise, if they do it right, as one of the could be one of the greatest fights in history. Yeah I think in terms of could be an inspiring a country is

Possible that, by staying true to the values that he had his entire career and getting to them, the zenith of of his art form. And still doing it in their amber way. Is it possible that that inspires yet one hundred percent? Sorry, I should ask fi that I think, they're just hearing from people from my fellow comrades is day love that they love the love that, but they are due so a brash beer, chugging shit, talking thing that people really like about conor non. I do love that, but the Four narrative would have been the clash. The real clash of those cultures so could be. it is to live the culture by walking away there. Also like a clash of them serve what walking not walking away. The fire by walking into the fire of this of this practice,

It's the sort of the who collected like calmness of the dagestan people. I don't you talk about the site. Your brother yet said the dvds view it totally differently, and you know There are stereotypes about the irish where there may be can't you allowed or more boisterous culture? and I heard that and I mean I thought they each played their part perfectly and All those things that you're describing could have happened, maybe could be stepped up and he carries the proverbial why so to speak, for a nation of people may go to battle, but the fight. plays out the same way. It is still the fight and it was a ok, fine, it wasn't a great fight, it was, you know, the fight was okay and I think that. again, I don't have any idea. What could beads obligations to his family are. I know think either. Those guys you know is

want for more money to do another fight is just a legacy thing. It's just a ah enough. killing some some part of a legacy, I just I admire the person of a great legacy that data is bigger in either the fighters. I think what could be here VON he's, not concern about legacy. I think right. There you're promoters dream because you onto rematch and you're gonna make more money than the re matches. The trilogy. Yes split, the trophy split, the imagine hope, Conor winds and then yet the trilogy fight, now, you're, all in I can get to. Computers have had, but I know Putin, just a guy In the entirety of it, especially at the time, especially if it was trump as president of a He was ass present at the time and an putin and in russia, and just

knowing how masterful connor is at like, because gotta would would be different conor, I think you'll be a calmer conor you'll be a different like you're gonna be over the top corner with the russian people. As is like went down on reality that that was episode in hotel in brooklyn here, when some of the russian guys confronted arden, then connor came over it's not a, but that that day, In view of that, I mean there is the element of just like real danger and the real is almost of war. Its manners. it was like when, when when jail sentence, was talking so much smack measures against vandals solar. I dunno is one of those fights where they they just didn't. He was going to make it out of brazil. Yeah yeah, americans don't get it yeah. The people take some of that shit in different parts of the world very very seriously, but that's what makes the beautiful that sir

as it makes a great story- and I think fighting is very much about the story- is not just about this, the the regular outcomes of fire. The skill said matching or take the chest of the of the fight is also about the story a greater ike context of societies. of warring were like warring cultures. Lears though we still got worse we are no longer can have great big hot wars between nations because a nuclear weapons, this our words that we can have an in ireland. Some sense, I feel robbed of the great war that could happen. It doesn't mean there are lots of wars going on, but you had a big one is not gonna happen. There's too much of a balance of power with me now nuclear weapons in technology and stuff, but it's not the end of war. Do you think, there's always going to be war always be war.

sleep under developed parts of the world. Isn't there always under developed, relatively parts of the world here mean some point, thou you'd think carrying away the way that you now technologies expanding we're, bringing technology too weird parts of the world that you wouldn't. Think of ass technologically advanced. The way that are chinese or inhabiting certain areas for mining purposes, and things like that. I think under all parts of the world will get developed quickly. I just wonder what the nature of that one may be, could be cyber and could be all those kinds of things I think developed nations. It's gonna be cyber, I think, that's probably the next phase of war, but I mean I think you talk about parts, like the middle east and it's you still gonna be warring tribal factions. We can't even begin to understand what those people are fighting about over there. Yet yet everyone sitting in america on their couch has an opinion like the can even begin to understand and I are sure, can yeah as back to the principles

and when one one what's violated as much deeper than just caravan. Anything we can. Even in a middle class existence, I don't even comprehend a lot of times. American soldiers will go to war, because that's what they're told to do- and they might maybe they disagree with the orders, and maybe they agree with the orders, but I get a sense that people in the middle east fighting I believe, in what their fighting for it's. Not it's, not a thing where there, to go to, and I believe there they re We believe that what they're doing the right thing in they're defending some sort of principle Are you generally optimistic about the future speaking a war? human civilization, giving well you know people talk about the firmly paradox king. Why haven't aliens visited us if you believe the haven't visited us ill one of the thoughts is that there is a kind of a great filter that

intelligence civilization, reach a point where destroys itself. Naturally. So that's why we haven't seen em they dont last, very long. There does To be a kind of way seems to adverse effects and faster faster. We give developing more and more powerful wasted, destroying ourselves in all kinds of ways. not even here even to say nuclear weapons alone, but there cause new ways: engine your pandemics net technology, asia? I gaza things it's it's seems to be that the art, with that. We go out. To destroy a thousand some kind of creative way very shortly as not too crazy of an argument to make. Are you more optimistic or pessimistic about the prospects of human civilization and maybe the twenty second century? I guess, if possible,

that your generation is the last generation to be alive on earth. No, but I wouldn't say that five generations from now that won't beach, that that could be true I think that really selfishly I'd they believe that when your time here on earth is over the overwhelmingly vast majority of people will be forgotten within twelve calendar months. People with no, and they will be forgotten sooner and so I don't give a lot of thought to what will happen to earth or mankind when I'm gone, I give more thought of maximizing my time here now and, what to do in a way where I know ah overly hindering the future of civilization are humankind, but I'm we are taking a me first approach. Now I live on earth. Do if the law feed behind why you have or don't have kids on this topic, because for many people and they have kids.

There is a sense if someone- like a genetic sense or something like that were all of a sudden, you do start caring about what happened five generations now I mean, I think, I'm just too selfish per annum. I think that's the easy answer I got I know that your whole life has to, and you know, you're you're you focus everything shifts and just Don't you also like. I think that there is a level of I agree. If I have to like really on packet, It's probably a level of lack of hope, the future. Like, I don't think it's. I don't. the world and humanity is going in the right direction, the regulation. Look like, I think, the right direction, looks like people come back together in a more impact for human way in in touching

feeling talking face to face so all the things you are describing what we had as you mention before when you were like a teenager, yeah, so the state of the world your mind was form then very well could be heroic, obey server. Whether the virtual reality was that will create, will be actually a much higher level of existence. In fact, like now we're getting we're moving slowly away from tribalism, perhaps you could argue the ideas of nations and We're going we're moving into the realm of ideas and it could be a higher of existence where we're serve we passed the costume of our meat vehicles into this of our minds. It depends what you value, because when you sit here you talk about it, you know you're talking about these things and humongous levels on these macro levels. and I don't think a lot of people view that way. I think people. Viewed as like what am I gonna peter my getting tonight I get to it's a much different outlook and the

the virtual world that are on the horizon. it's got benefits in work and will help people, but is he gonna, the things that you find valuable like was help? Commerce, ok, sure is at the thing you find the most valuable. Is he gonna help? unification will. Italy disseminating information is gonna, help, explain the information or disseminating, probably not. Is it gonna inter interpersonal communication? Absolutely and those are things I find valuable interpersonal, medication talking People like the like it saddens me when I go into a restaurant in there's five year old kids, like you, know slamming away on an ipad and can't make eye contact with anybody or teenager who don't say please and thank you when they order from the waiters like that to me is wrong that shit's wrong in. I don't know this for a fact. But I do a tribute that to you no use technology is a crutch when we're asian raising kids. I think those are those are things that I find valuable. I tried it.

But that doesn't mean I agree with you as a person grew up in a certain age but like prior to the internet, I suppose, but or at least so fight the early philosophies of the way through the world prior to the injured. During time available. Let's put it was it a screen in and around one ok did I was the last person I do to get a cell phone. I was so anti all that stuff, because I just felt like I, you want to be a part I did not want to be a part of it. I I I joined the underground forum about anime in two thousand or two thousand and one when I first started training and I think I did the tail and I gotta myspace, but I didn't have any that stuff. Many want any of it. I don't know why I just as I was not into it. I felt like like

what are the good things that are gonna come out of it money. I'm gonna get my package in two days instead of four days so make my life better. I try to I deeply empathize with a lot of experiences of other people and like one of the things I love like the smell of paper books and books in general and the early on five years ago. I gave away all my books. yeah, I'm really going to try to fall in love with the books in the same way, before, but now with the kindle are now kindle like a white whenever the e bogey reader he reader, and I'm still not there, but I've been color trying to follow over their expense, the same way I try to think like tunisia really into tik tok. Now I'd make these short videos. I try to consider the possible that their existence will be much happier, one enough had because this kind of interaction is it for miser skeptical perspective as egg

Attention span so short. They don't really deeply think or deeply experience things. They construct a social layer that they present to the world and they were can creating this social lair like the presentation to the world much more than really sitting alone, with their thoughts and sadness as in their hopes and dreams and fears and like working on the project that is their their own make actual person exists business physical world, as opposed to work on the project of a particular social platform, but they show, but, like perhaps there project like who cares, who you are in the physical space may be, what you are is what your instagram shows that the more important project to work on four was reality is endless rally. Reception is reality right how other people, priests eve, this constructed thing down their reality of you. What is it your reality, like that? I mean like we said earlier: it's what what you want, how you want people to see you

very rarely in life, with how you really are or how you see yourself, and mean. I can remember, being like a thirteen year old kid and like you, you go through a bunch of you know weird thirteen year old kid shit like in my room, like turning a red light on and listening to like a sad record and, like you know, china, you're out, what's going on inside some of you it? Sometimes you don't like it, but I feel like experience at our last. I'm kids closely connected to a fallen and like do you know What the remedy for those situations is. Nowadays I got an order. They make a tick tock video today they blog about it. they do not make a video on nobody blogs anymore, but whatever man our vision. do a story about this. happened to me and blah blah blah blah blah, does that actually help them work it out or does it just it more noise and more static on how to get to the root of the problem and learn about themselves are not fish. Social networks are

exactly I do know. I'm shallow does feel go with. Somebody clicks like on something. I think that moreover, drug than an actual deep long, lasting fulfilling happiness but browsers away You make a social network does lead to long asking happiness, that's somehow detached from the physical meet space, I don't know, but it feels like Do you want to give that a chance? Do you think, when people up, liking. Things on social media: do you think there's just group of people, an overwhelming majority of people that are going to, like whatever you put out there, they're clicking like and then there's another section of people that just constantly scroll and like scroll like and scrolling like like. Do you think when you get a like unconscious. You put out that that, like perhaps came from someone who normally doesn't like your content but like you've, just change their mind on something? Oh, you you, you ve turned them around on it. I tend to think that when I light tron social media dosages

if the people that, like all my shit, no matter what I say like they probably don't even read it like, I could put the most prepared first thing up there and you still gonna get a handful of same exact likes assisting. I like the way she likes you can. The EU is not what things are heading. We want as you the social media as a battleground of ideas and like? Is it I have indicated that the best possible, like as an indicator of like of the of you. Winning over somebody on an idea really appreciated idea. Ass, the best possible way to me alike, is just to strangers. smiling at each other, like a like a moment of like, like, I got you bro, he had that chabot yeah like this bump, like we're in this fuckin thing together. This thing, doesn't make any sense but were in this together and I yeah possible for likes to be that I think the actual clicking of alike.

think social media at his best might be. That word sake. I got You brow ass, a large scale as opposed to come this week dad, I'm crazy, dopamine where everyone just obsessed with his legs and likes him, and then vision drives like more of the cycle weird anxious engagement? I think it's just the dark version of it in the early days of social media, I think you called a battleground of ideas, but I think social media is nothing but a battleground of fragile egos will but humans a fragile. He does I mean Maybe, but I think a lot of people I think article. social media there, the most fragile ike. would you be doing all the things you're doing? What what would you be doing if you weren't

You weren't, podcasting and posing a things you do on social media. What would Be doing you'd probably be much the same guy right, but I think and social media. fragile ego people what you see on social media is not what they re doing without social media that make any sounds like you're europe, maybe your mission is probably somewhat congruent your path now you're does utilizing social media, but I think a lot of people social media has changed their path and now they're doing something totally. Four into them and their only able to do it may be because of social me. I think it focusing on a particular moment in time of people in their less great moment, a guy in there less great version of themselves? I think you just focusing on the massive struggling to are to become the as version of themselves, and then you yeah sure forbes, it of time others days

weeks and months, he could be a shape person on the internet. I think you're focusing on that, unfortunately, social media platforms, for size. They love it. When you're like that, when you doing great in your own in your own life because, we see the exiled increase engagement makes it more susceptible to than arguing and they really get pulled into a conspiracy theories all cast off the other side works too. I think there is also the people on social media like fronting like these positive figures and, like you know oak, one of the giant that whatever it is the positivity that this view out, but in real life they the most negative fox you ve, ever met in your life and their just so full of crap and its use you people playing to an audience. It's a guy, like you said like that It's like a politician, sometimes like a politician wakes up one day and they decide. Who is the group can pander to the best to get the most likes equals votes in this, the on social media people wake up in

whether it's conscious or not, what's the group can pander to the best to get the most likely. Is it positivity motivated crowd. Is it the woe? Is me crowd like what is it who, gonna. Give me the most likes. That's what I do I don't know how to argue against. I guess it's it's. It rings true what you're saying, but I just can't refuse believe it. I guess I'm pandering to the optimistic crowd like I met with my marketing team and I just feel that, ah, ah love has the best, would you call it? as a lot of people that accused me of being like exactly that, which is why he you're being positive. It's well cause I'd like to be that fear. But I wouldn't think I wouldn't who you someone who panthers now, but I guess I'm saying, is like it's easy to say that everyone is pandering but, like maybe they're just trying

I do believe that social media platforms could encourage people when they're trying to be the best version of the cells. Whatever that is, could be like connemara you're talking shit. It could be just being positive, it could be actually creating called. in this world pudding structural videos fujitsu or like inspiring students who competition about all this things, education counter, I I think that people are trying to get it and I believe that people want to be good they want to be successful, whatever their definition successes in their car struggling to. Do that and there just awkward at it at first and like it's easy to focus on the awkwardness, and the stumbling around as people have that many start shooting at each other? If he's gonna We said on that, but I think that just like people, you white bots, There's more wipe us in the world than there are black blackboards began the chance, the kind of girl I think on social, if you put your stuff out there, whatever your stuff, is your content, your views or whatever you? Let that

it's fall where they may, like that's a diff, thing than being. Like I'm gonna, I'm gonna try what I normally might say put it this way, because I want these people to like it, in terms. I also think different viewpoint than you do on people wanting to be successful. I actually I think that many people want to be successful. I think people want, have the appearance of wanting to be successful, but to be successful a shit out of work and most people don't wanna put that work, and so they craft this persona of a person who's trying really hard, but you can't catch the break or you know these motherfuckers with getting back on. My grind, you know, grind. You been on a couch as so disagreeable. I get it. I get to you, you that's your phone You enjoy that guy in the council. The cheetah? That's does that? motive, wages own it be like don't look back on a going back on the couch. Yet while you

like David goggins, who is like talking shit and one guy with eating cheetahs and in so doing inspires millions to like to actually pursue their success. I get by just think that most people really do want to be a success, and are like our trying or a car they keep failing, so I mean, but why is What is a continuum sorry to interrupt? You but the goods a person's overweight. Do you not that person wants to be skinny? Of course they want to be skinny. They just don't wanted enough to put the pizza, or the pie down and go to the gym. They want but they wanted to be easy. Of course they want to be skinny forever. it wants it to be right? Of course, local people want to be successful. What do they want it enough to do the work Think they do. I think the easy To do is to create an outward face persona of the person who really wants it and you yet the same reward from a lot of people, as

Britain, who actually is successful very few p, differentiate from the person prisoners found success and in the person who showing you how they're trying to get success on social media people see. That is the same I see you're going after the marketing dollar, their represents the other people who want to work hard. I like it, You were started a pocket recently, however, called which people probably from conversation. Can I guess we didn't really talk about politics much or the fact a business owner, the fact that you're a red, blooded, american and love this country a marker we would really talk about that, but from the name of the park as they can probably in for it in the name, is please allow me good name, What have you learned from doing this pike ass? What's your hope of doing a spike ass

people to their fate. Listen, do you have a few episodes out your damn good at it with is very interesting, sure you'll evolve and change, but so this is the early days, I'm curious to see what goes, but why like? What thinking around. It has an intellectual, putting your thoughts out into the world one of the things that covert did when we're all kind lockdown was as a business owner. It made me take stock of what the future of brick and mortar businesses voice been reluctant to being online presence in any way just cause. It's not my thing, because I believe that I'm a force of nature and people need to experience me right, and the few characters that twitter has faced here, I'm not enough. The force of nature does John Carter. You. I want you to feel physically on comfortable around this. The hours of me being comfortable. I'm scared for life,

so I thought that that would be one of the ways in which I can increase like I came to the conclusion that, with the the lockdown and potential future lockdowns. You know in order to pay my mortgage and you, bar tab robs hubs control there, need to find answers, waste, her door. Last legs you one he's grabber hubbard above such data. They actually do third ash nuns gang. walk to your local food. Eleven Yang gettin get the food. Don't you can order seven eleven from don't ask for from postcards called lex I guess I'd better I thought it was I go. I should probably increase a little bit my online presence and what would be a way to do that? be fun for me and entertaining, and I thought well a lot of people in yourself included that I know I've got some pie gas and I find that inspiring an unfortunate

a bunch of cool motherfuckers that you know I can. Talk you about a lot of a wide range of topics. The dinners I drop in there's an aspect to which pakistan does capture the force of nature butter in india. Reform by casting catches, forcing nature of a human being better than other media. Perhaps yeah. Definitely there's that I I just pollack. Do you know you know what, midnight and you're in the bar, and you get a sense that you know the bargain closer ninety minutes, and you think you know nothing People have seen me yet and maybe we should go to another bars and more people can see me. I feel like casting is like is like, for me? Not enough. People have heard my thoughts and I feel like My mom raised me to be a giver. She didn't selfish and god's that? I think that guy, a waste if you didn't give it to the world, people seem to really enjoy them, yeah nigh.

For a while. But while I probably been on my best behaviour today, I'm on this episode of the outcasts so few de the uncensored unfiltered, the full spectrum of the FAO, Some nation is John clark you, you go you go to the park as you funny enough. I think drinking throughout most of the bike ass, yeah particular so the only last like an hour, because you seem to like I'm guessing the easiest, lose it. What our like sex cinderella turns into a frog. One of the things on learning is Times you have great conversations when you're drunk in something you don't like I was so I went into it with the right drunk at its silver mentality. Thus swimmingly hemingway here. But turns out that. Sometimes you don't that much to edit when you're super shit, faced and so

scaling that back a little bit and would mean exactly by illegal workers. Go wrong. You're drunk I'm curious about back sir, he gets a. U s, So when you have a personal relationship with the person that you're talking to rather than china puts put some ideas on display for other people to hear and maybe talk about you just haven't like a conversation with your broad out inside jokes, and is I gotta think it's not that interesting? What want cycle watch! You know barn watched you, people at the sitting there getting drunk and talking to each other is different than this to like strong discourse. Yes, one interesting thing as you're on a family affair joanna for a long time, and he has his friends over a lot right. and then there is the aspect of three four five. Our conversations are really enjoy. There's a magic to those. I think he taught the ward. Kinds of love for conversations can work the what you forget. Joe rogan as a comedian. His friends are also celebrities, ike

they know what it's like to be on the mike. They know there is the challenge to actually having your friends on a microphone currently like that nevertheless, the first time I have been a microphone and it s actually what you ve been doing with the various new experiment, and you find this a are more awkward than others like they're trying to find like what do. I do this kind of thing why Why do you not talk to strangers? Why did you go with people that you're actually notes So the simple answer is the people that I selected are both interesting and I thought would be good at talking. Then I noticed the thing you just mentioned. My buddy positively. or impose a wild man. If you went out with Paul, he can talk A brazilian topics to a certain took two to a significant level of right, you got a good understanding and got a unique perspective on a lot of things and I think he was the first guy invited on my podcast and

it was almost like. You and a little bit less than natural about. The time he loosened up with some drinks. He was it just we're all shit. Faced, though, never does, they shift of total here totally, and so It's gonna come back on and he'll be, we're comfortable with it and and it'll probably awesome because he's a great personal taught you had my friend dave on whose a restaurant, your enemies musician that one will be released pretty soon, but Should I had a guy on who you might really enjoy listening to a friend of mine is names, markleham he's an endurance athlete and he's been compared. He's been called the white Dave goggins an arm. He talks about like those comparisons in what he hates about it, and the various events and stuff and he's just a guy who's, just always kind of like natural and, like I knew he'd, be great to get on the podcast and I started with friends who I thought could handle it and

who also arduous really interesting people. Anna and I did it. So that I could also establish a level of comfort because it was a new thing for me and they were. I knew that they wouldn't really give a shit when I was down and I hate it cool. I'm going over jaycees house we're gonna drink some tequila and talk shit, there's just going to be a microphone there. This time. It's amazing, what you're doing the freedom of it. I mean you're, not currently doing a advertisement or any of that kind of stuff. You just exploring your voices, one of the mediums that you're just trying it out my eleven subscribers know what I'm about the first, is a double digits for both you and I do have advised for me as a pod and for yourself as a pike, s I'll, give you. If you to think I give an ado do say I mean who knows but say you do I as more episodes. I can imagine a world worth that that your life continues in that direction, that this is like a parallel like for me,

things like a little side hobby, but it is also one that deeply fulfilling so not just from a business like the, which is not the way I think about. I just think it from a life. Human perspective is, I problem wouldn't have this kind of conversation with you off MIKE How long this deep, this attentive and there's something really fulfilling these conversations, so what advice as you have for me. What advice here for yourself- Oh, have you not introspective this that deeply I have lots of advice. I think the first advice I give to you is: I think you should me I'm more often yeah. That's it the first and second is going european gas and everywhere I would say what say you come on my part ass when you are ready when you feel like the product dad I'm putting out would benefit from Europe since and vice versa, not not as a nodded. Over to a brow but

right time. I'd I'd do sense. Actually is it's an interesting the das to it, which is like a euro. I recently did, I jargon, had a conversation with me on this park ass. There is a very specific kind of thing. Where you you're, helping each other out yeah The timing on that has to be right right. You know like If that makes any sense you like supporting each other, is that it does. since the it doesn't. It does make a difference. You would think that causes just people talking about what microphone, but he changes thing it dozen years in order to the guests that I've had on and the neck yes, that ireland will be a friend we have in common and will be talking about teaching how to teach. And styles of teaching and what you're teaching always other things you might say who sean foreshortened. I think, there's an order to it's. Not so epic, but it's based on my gut is it astrologically based.

It really means that scientific here you gotta you ever since I don't like Joe rogan, for example- tries to do left right here, Alternate like this, this gut feeling of like these bins of people, and he the alternate world views interesting like he can it, so it doesn't feel like it. I, like it shake it constantly. Shakes hymns is more about him like constantly put them in more. for directions about like how he sees the world and that gives imbalance it gives the conversation coinciding. That's interesting. I didn't in a way where I knew Paul, we're gonna be wild and we might get a little out of control and might have some technical pick ups along the way, and they make jake, whose icy over pharmaceutical company that was Timely because you know he was able to speak to vaccines in another kind of scientific flavoured here and what I learned listening back on that is, like I learned for myself about

I wasn't asking the next level questions to you, We draw out great answers. Part of it. Is you your simultaneously hanging out with a brow, but also I was trying to learn something about. I didn't learn what I wanted to learn and it's my fault. I didn't ask. The questions he's an expert in that field. He doesn't know that I'm an absolute dipshit when it comes to that stuff and so I didn't do a good job and if I don't know it, the means the thing I wished to tease out of him no one who is gonna, listen, he's gonna, learn that either So I learn that and I had the one with soap on which I thought was- was pretty good. Is the rest? There is also a farmer is right in his aversion worker, in kind of humble and and not forget, thoughtful awful guy slow. there's not a wild man that can think not a while men in the sense that I'm while, but he does preach this, this philosophy of being more wild. Like being in time, with nature nature that thou to that kind of right, and then my buddy.

He came on, you know, because I love music let's talk a lot about music and he's one of the most knowledgeable people about music that I now and he's got a rational coming up, and I thought buddy more clam being an endurance athlete like when you hear some of the things I didn't even know. These things existed at this fuckin kid dead, he's out of his mind and you know, I think sean and I'll have probably the most intellectual conversation that I've had my podcast to today, and so, there's a little bit of alternating there, but you know I did it. way so that the guy gus feeling, and also that what users were away going do you know where you're going, I'm I don't have a destination. But I want to. I want to see it to its end, whether that's it,

somewhere of its own volition or takes on a new life at some point, and then I know how to drive it where it needs to go. I think The advice I have for both of us is. I think I need to know. I don't think so I think for you, I seen turmoil. Monsieur storm that bruising? You because I feel like there is a concern for what you're saying and is gonna get. He is economic, isn't gonna. Lead to negative feelings towards you or the thing you're doing, and I feel like we're different p. and I have such an easier time say: fuck off to everybody and that's a liberating thing, but it also can keep, can keep, from achieving the thing that I want to achieve because I'm so flipping with opinions.

I don't listen to them and let them direct me when they sure there's a balance. They pushed back on that please. do you believe that a buy yourself a nevertheless your social media presence indicates? Otherwise, if I were to be very high, you're like one of those little mentally strongest, characterized people, I know, and yet on social media. You don't put your face to the world market. One of the reasons you sense, the fear and me which exists. Of course let go of. It is because I put my face and like my name on things and so on, I say something stupid it. It hurts when people did say like look, that guy says something stupid, and so there is a fear saying something stupid in all of its different forms. Like a being my lesser, it's is the same feeling I haven't competition of like of losing not just losing wasn't as a matter is embarrassing. Myself

losing being the less aversion and myself and when you put yourself out, in a four way. I think you, I would venture say: you're, also cause you like you you, don't you wouldn't give yourself, advice. I feel, like you're, also afraid of standing behind some of the ideas because I know you don't really warfare ear you're free to to a be to say things? Do speak your mind from the sidelines. but the moment you standing in one piece. Control should at you, I feel like you haven't face. the fire you been like, avoiding that fire, I'm not sure, maybe projecting no, two degree right. I think, like a big thing for me was putting like ads on fur like our our jujitsu online are like curriculum. That was a big thing for me. because for several reasons like in the climate of everyone under the sun, having you know,

jujitsu tutorial online and social media, not such a meeting a silly but form specifically that critique can share the bed one there have not done that. I thought about doing. Probably your right in your analysis of it is I've not gone. The way that I do see you on things like read it and say: hey read it I'm doing this. Could easily go to residence. Hey read, I got this webs, it appears of ears sample video, whatever the fuck people donor, well, yeah, you're right, I haven't done that and party might be because I I I know also, if get suckered in for one second into the negativity I'm gonna become online warrior and I don't wanna be that person. So you ve got me self aware about that and you wanted Things have earlier The site is like I'm just gonna be I've always really enjoy being positive, so I'm going to make sure I stay that way and when there's activity sake, I'm not

just ignoring it, I'm literally just returning of positivity, I like I probably in the same way as you most people are with with egos you get, you wanted, become the warrior. Yes, the negativity in the eye like many wars. There's no winning there's no winning now worse than mine, especially on the internet and the. So in that sense, as there's been a journey to try to, Face the fire of the negativity is that she that bad sounds adverse your mad at this up, many people their negative, but it's like when you pay. Advertisements. So you put your face and destruction or something like that right. It just there's a aspect. What you're being a salesman, you being a gimmick, e thing right it feels wrong, and people will point out. Looked at guys have frog legs, fake, look he's trying, but those people are gone. Be out there and, if you like, trying to do Let us try to be authentic and not

you like being a snake, well salesman and being like this Became a salesman, I think they keep you honest, keep. You are assuming the most authentic self and pack ass. Things like the best me because you're being real those one, our applause that you put out there, that's a real john, does not like the people. People fall in love with that, and that does that the beautiful aspect of passing is there's no long form. Doesn't give any possible feed not to be authentic, right why is the magic media the the thing is you're, not a popular aid takes time very popular and you should shouldn't be doing it. For that reason, I don't

the thing that really are drives me: is there three books, technical fiction after they had an impact on you like these are books. They you kind of returned today. You enjoy, and there You know that define profound somewhere, I would say we the thing I read: isn't one of emerson essays that I read it up me no point life where I needed that type of thing, and I read self reliance and united. a ton of good essays, but I thought self reliance was probably the most impact for to me, No I've read later in life like a handful of meaning existential authors and there our great but time, a lot of us the timing and when I read self reliance- and it was the individual that was really good, made compatible is also book called jonathan livingston siegel by richard richard bark. I think anna,

it's kind of along the same lines as about the sego who you now wants to break conformity and learn. Flying do all these other great things, and so it's rare short reads out. People are some that that's good. The book which I was lug, look enough to read before the movie ever even came out, which is just a apply. You're of minors- are american psycho Just from a writing standpoint, I found that the writing was was awesome, Breakfast is the author of vat and several other books. You have like intertwining, characters, eyes, annoying when prep school guidelines or a lotta like our stories and a lot of the dutch Visual wars ranch For me, anyone who can write four pages of prose on like a huge, louis, album kudos to you I also would say no one, do this, but I would at some point red is mine. Of one of the big three religious texts of pot as possible.

It really gives you perspective there. So many overlapping stories in the in love, religious texts and in the way that their written gives you a unique perspective on different people throughout the world and in off here roman catholic, maybe don't read the Bible read one of the other taxes in now be an interesting take but embarassing. Say that first of all, I've never read the bible, which is embarrassing to say a cigarette, a bunch about the bible. Not the bible and the same equating them, but I haven't A red marks directly ever read my comfort. Hitler directly, and it feels like some because you think, like it's better to read stuff about the books, but ultimately because, like the analysis, will be better in our texts that followed it, but there's Are you to actually reading actual words, the other, this power? In the words that

there's a reason. Why, like the bible, is one of them impactful books ever you know, and it's it's it's in those words of value to return to those words, the communists. Professor is truly frightening. If you read it in the end, like modern context as well, reading yeah, where three guys so minecraft, not how they see ya, obvious, but it is not very well written but all the ideas that led to the evil, that is, hitler are all in there, which is a fascinating to think about. because probably some of the world leaders at the time should have probably read the books you he outlined. Everything is going to do. You mention the flying, Emerson quote area like so: let's try to end on this part of the globe. it's easy in the world to live after the world's opinion. It's easy in solitude to live after your own. Man is who

of the world keeps a perfect sweetness. The independence of solitude. Or is this quote me too it's kind of reinforces the idea that here here, to live your life and that even when People are trying to. Influence you or comment on the decisions that you make for your life. You should have the strength to stick by living here. The way you want to live it that there's one immutable truth for you and it doesn't apply to everyone and so people who people who. frown upon or judge the way that you live, because it's not quotes conventional, ah Our opinion should not be something that impact The choices that you make

you're no relationship. Now you said Deeply meaningful, or is that our europe mr along. This is still just a man in the cold of the of the If that is suffering now, I'm a man whose warm nestled in a bosom aren't they There's a better way and John your friend near my coach, I'm sure we'll talk many more times in the future, thanks for wasting all your time with me today thanks. Actually, I had an awesome time hope to be back soon. Thanks for listening to his conversational john clark, I thank your sponsors, their gun, the device I use for post, workout, muscle, recovery, magic spoon, low, carb, cuter, friendly cereal. That I think is delicious.

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