The hay, so my guess today is Peter Frampton. When I think about Frampton. I am immediately transported back to my teens when Peter's music, although juggernaut of a live, album Frampton comes alive, it took the world, if my life by storm with these ends, I'm songs- I do you feel like we do- show me the way lines on my face and baby. I love your way. not think about those songs without also hearing what became his signature talk box, sound virus through my body, known in his his earlier years for a fierce talent as a guitar and musician co, founder of one of the first rock super groups, humble pie, collaborated with everyone from George harrison bowie had generally louis too then said This basis bill why men and ringo star that out,

frampton comes alive. It changed everything. It became a global phenomenon and best selling live album for decades and following on the heels of that out and just months later came this equally iconic heartless cover on rolling stone. She by francesco scrofula in a company feature story written by a then young cameron, crow peters, ascendancy powerful as it was came with Very dark side: it cast him as a pop star, an idle or sex symbol, an icon in the industry that was built, take advantage of just such a phenomenon, and the years at followed took Peter his life, his mental health, in his career into Pretty scary and lonely places before their childhood friend, David Bowie, would stepped back in the better. decade or so later, with an invitation that set in motion almost a reclamation, a renewed sense of self and passion and direction that fuel peter, just

back into music in a way that nourished, rather than emptied him peter stories beautifully shared in his memoirs. Do you feel like idea, which I devoured actually in audio hearing him, tell it in his own voice in our conversation, many of the pivotal and wonderful moments in stores along the way, as well as some new revelations drop into the conversation and, as we see friend in also shared his experience, living with an incurable degenerative muscular disease inclusion body, my aside us, and how, as he described he's, got these three clocks running in his life that are essentially ticking away as he's unable to travel.

Hoping to be able to make it to the final few stops of a farewell concert that he planned to play back where he grew up and while he's still able really excited to share this conversation with you, I'm Jonathan fields- and this is a good life project. met. Yet the global private aviation leader is known for personalizing every detail of your travels because not yet standard is not just to meet their definition of perfection. It's to exceed yours discover more at net jets, dot com.

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spend a little bit of time with you. I am here. I'm a huge lover of music and and also maybe of stories about musing and kindness, we're dead. Jimmie Vaughan in the studio a little while back news chair and some stories. I remember one. I remember hang a story about tat, actually has little brother stevie and how he acquired this famous. Sixty five strata welcomed by a pawn shop with his wife money, sees it the window, the before he had broken. Yes, it was three hundred fifty bucks because it was really beat up but he didn't have any money too. Certain circulated around and get fifty dollar donation from all of his friends bought. It form gave it to him, and then he stayed up all night. Writing money, a love song to her and new, changing, because when you think about that guitars you become iconic for using the fifty four less ball.

there's an interesting or similar, really kind? spaced origin story. How you came to even own nectar. Well yet. The whole thing is like a fairy story really from beginning and there's no end and its it still, it's a gift. It keeps giving so yes, I had just. Was with humble pie. It was nineteen. Seventy I was playing Filmore west And I had just swapped my esteem gibson, solid body, Gee gibson does fall for a sixty two forthwith refined well,. Unfortunately, we played such a loud level, humble pie, every time. I turn my my boy Mark two solo

my solos sounded like oh, just a mass of feedback. You know- and I was just and the band were looking at me like what what's going You know so anyway, after. After I came off, there was a friend of mine there that I knew from San Francisco and these mark Marianna and Friend of his had told him tat. I was having problems, so he came down the next night he circled help, but notice that you are having problems. He said. Would you like to borrow one? Am my guitars. I said: oh I fear that probably be good, so he said the idiot as far as it ought to I like it s, cheeseburger less poseur bit too fat sounding for me so on I said, but you know what anything This can be better show

he brings to the hotel the following morning to the coffee shop. He opens up in the coffee shop. This is come back from gibson having been refinished Nineteen, seventeen, ninety fifty four guitar and then he had plumbed it. For three hamburgers instead of I p ninety original pickups on the guitar and Send it back to gibson library finished it again. just took it up to my room and now talent playing it and I I just found This was the perfect everything just falsehood. Who played on stage that night and for the rest of the night. showing tat no more. And it was I feed didn't touched the ground and My solos were nice and loud. So I was just and then at the end of the show or ended, the run the shows

I said to mark you know I gave it back to him and said I I know that I know what you're gonna say, but I gotta ask it anyway: would you sell it and he said no, I'm gonna give it to you and I I mean I'm getting goosebumps right now. That was the beginning of the various do you know he gave me the guitar have given him. So many number ones of all the different runs of gibson guitars that I've been lucky lucky enough for them to do. For me he always gets number one. What it is get it does another one coming out, so he's gonna get that one too and so I why did I pleaded I played from seven nineteen seventy nineteen eighty we had this, horrible accident plane crash in cuba, the spanish liner and done. We believed the all the stage gave us got everything pm

monitors back lying guitars keyboard, And so, when my check went down a week later, we not in the country anymore, we'd already moved on the animal. And when my check went down there a week later me said: there's nothing left it's just there's a picture in the book of shows you what is left in nam. And so anyway, that was it so for thirty years every time. Someone came to me and I had a black list ball, a man whose name it is that it might go. No It's me and so on. Then, As I said, thirty years later, I open up an email from my info at frampton dot com. And there it is today it so you know so- I

screamed- and Looked at it night, it's my that is mine. I could see it because they took the pick ups out. I know everything about the guitar inside outside you know, inside the nor the volumes everything because I've taken at all about somebody dies myself. The cleanup updated. Whatever hinder us, that's mine, but I was gonna tell them that So anyway, there was a grey area of two years the guitar was, Bye. Someone on the island of coregos, south and east, the way. It was too heavy what he was so than his son. The next generation, as well as the thirty years. wants to play guitar and said, Can I take that guitar and to be fixed? applying to what end we said jerk ahead and they you think about it. The most

He took it to me as soon as he opened the case. He went and he said you didn't say anything labour whitney overnight and I'll get liable, for you said the kid comes back. Following day unease, the losers. As you know, what this guitar is, don't you who's. This is and the kid just the case ran out, so that was it we knew had it will. We didn't know where he lives, so in the end, the kid wanted a new guitar in eighteen months two years and so he asked the loser. Road of it for five thousand dollars, I want to buy. New guitar So, basically, then it still stolen merchandise? So, beneath your goes to be one offices. in the government of courtesy and says you

I think the government needs to buy this it'll be grateful the ilo. Curacao, if the guy buys it back data. Put you in jail. and what about anybody in jail anyway? I just wanted it back at that point and then So basically the minister of tourism and the luthier bring the guitar back to me Two years later, and we found the whole thing you can see it on youtube, may get him. I guitar back, you know and about ten minutes and it's a wonderful video. I love it. I watched every now and again gaza. I just I remember exactly how I was feeling that day. You know no, that it was coming back. You know it was then of course it made it. whence we went straight from the hotel with everybody It's in there was, you know all these guitar aficionados vision,

the cards in them. george from down here and andor, so everyone like looking at it in saying yes, it's afford fifty four fifty five So everyone is saying we knew what it was, but We I just wanted everybody to see at once and for all and say yes, this is what I have always said. It is an end. And so they they kept it for about a month, gibson the custom shop and they it pliable again today, unfortunately, the electronics one good anymore and pick ups, one good, so all my friends I didn't know I had so many less poor lovers, was sending me patent applied for pick ups in august, I'm thinking of people and basically it's more time sensitive now than it ever was. I think, and then it made it debut at our comes alive thirty five concept when at the beach

and they are doing in manhattan the stage, went dark right before do you feel my text, The guitar understand right in the middle of the stage and all the the job lights headed at once the audience, went nuts the guitars night. it's beautiful, and so I am also a lifelong new, yorker and m. I'm pretty sure that actually, my stepmother was in the audience at the beacon that night, ah great, because I remember him saying either he saw any ease, sue I play guitar when I was a kid and I had this early seventy bone strategy that I remember it, Get down the kid and I need a little bit of money, so I sold it to him and he still has in his beautiful. So we can avoid both look tartan. Remember him! seeing how beautiful that show was- and I see you back on stage in there with the fifty far less bar the something kind of magical yeah it. You know it some

Like him to my career, it disappeared and so did my career for longer. due to many things out of my ended in my control, I'm down like a job, and as soon as it came back. Things die happening service What things had started happening again already put it, just icing on the cake you there, tat, the back and then. I remember the first and anthony mason from men. Serbia sunday morning. The filming the return of the guitar. In the end, was playing it an ice. They interview me a hand to beat me and the basque before went on and into the station he sits Do you feel about playing it The first time again I sit on rarely nervous that I'm gonna make a mistake, and I two million jobs. goodness, CBS cut that out

nice of them, but I got bored tape and I couldn't believe I was so nervous about playing it again. It was the star of the night you know and and it just meant so much to me that I just made a little flour, one that in trouble- and I never do that. Others are right that number for nearly fifty years. Anyway. It showed how important the guitar was to me. That's amazing! I mean you you here good friend, who's, a photographer. Also in everyone's always ask him, like tony like which alibi what cameras gonna make me a better photographer and all this and this is same in music. I think, would be penalized like that, like where the pedals, where they canal out what's the equipment that to make me a better ex player and an end The road line is always it's not about the equipment. It's about you. You know, and still

every once in a while. You find something where, like you, you connect with a guitar drum said or whatever it is. It's almost spiritual and they cause mark had taken that guitar and he had He said when he bought it second hand. It was a horrible, green color who would have wanted a green? That's all I don't know green danbury banal, not greenland so anyway so He had sounded remove and then each sanded sand at it and sand at it and sanded it now. The neck is smaller than irregular. for when I have small answer me. It was like he'd sanded it to order for me and in fact gibson map gibson.

is working on another version of the phoenix we're gonna put one there's gonna be out there forever now, which is in I'm so thankful, they sent me to prototypes few months ago, and they were phenomena I said this is so great. I said the only thing is the net just is, It's so close. I said just a little bit. You know that and then explain to them how we got that way any bring it in more than his skin again, suddenly scanned it again. he called me the other day, and he said it's an eighth of an inch george, a tenth of an inch narrower, appoint or whatever was at the nuts and it's a low, narrow all the way down. I sit all so you can't do that should know we're gonna. Do it had not normally, but they are they gonna make it just it's only a little tiny gyre, but

we'll tiny, tiny ana gets on egg. is a huge amount. You know I mean yet you feel everything get out of here. It's amazing what you can actually take up to I find gibson day and we were under new ownership. Oj c is. taken over and we are so thrilled funding. cited for us too certainly see the next year The evolution of the famous phoenix now may be available in different ways to do, or people is not going to be a hugely expensive pc, then why we didn't want that there, you know that they guitar serve them, legendary, it's it's it you played on stage early on its they guitar that ended up, you know, being featured on friendly, comes alive and an all, where the place in your play, from a very early age, starting with the dutch lately and home, and actually doing

you bumped into you met the women of the stones, pretty early in your genes. That leads to session playing with some an incredible people. You- and with humble pie, you and Steve Marriott start data and sixty nine is mother. Remember correctly, and it's you You know what's happening in your life in your head is like I love, this thing is all I want to do and but in your mind the identity is is a guitar. It's like this is This is my jam, but but the word kept, wanting you to be something else and then eventually, when France, comes alive comes out, in seventy six, like the world says who, like this our chance, you know who I am and I I guess nobody really well. Let me not assume that actually it feels Like you know, you ve been out there in a solid prefer a couple years before that doing well, but friend incomes like if it changes.

the paradigm of everything around you at once, and it There was also a bit of a mixed blessing for you. Yes, um. Being known and and getting every day that I got whether it be a banned or recession or whatever because of my guitar playing drawn from a very young age and I mean I'm gonna dimension the herd there because I joined the herd in england which was in the end. We had three three real big heads, And were very popular in europe, but I was picked up, to be the singer by the managers and writers of the songs because of my looks and I'm gonna use the word only because pete towns and used it to me the other day and he mentioned that beauty got in the way

I like, and that to a lot of other. May it usually happens to women actresses. And who are phenomenal actresses, but they just then look suggests so great that it it overtakes and everyone thinks less of their iraqi because of the way they look. It's such a weird thing and so anyway, the only thing that happened when comes with the thing that happen, was alive came out. Was that because of my looks. I ended up on frank rolling stone all these. My people, this the devil. one and you know pretty much just about every time. They. I need to take my shirt off and stuff. Should never have done. You know that I need you to learn the word no little earlier in my career, but

and unfortunately that kind of talk over and after comes alive witches I'll say it myself, there's some incredible: guitar playing on comes alive I don't usually play my own trumpet I listened to it now. Every now and again, all here, a check on the radio. I always know math pretty good and there's people on the internet analyzing my solos, and so I thought. Well, maybe I am pretty good, so I I took a big hit men from all that and it was a coupled with the fact tat I was pushed into doing. follow about waiters. When had become the biggest selling out of all time comes alive was for two years you're, we as good as you last reckon they say.

didn't need to do one in the next four years, because I always use vehicles is a great example. You think they ve had thirty studio. I think, that seven and the rest of vessels and live with and they only ever go near the studio, because they can stand each other but also until late. They all know their level of quality of song. Is straw, and now because why bother going just into the studio until you not an extraordinarily good song. You know- and a bunch of sir I have six months, six years to write the material for comes alive. From rock on with ambled pie the shine on came from that then I cherry pick from

for my own solar records in it and rolling stones number and done all that was on one of my salary and done. You know so now, everyone's getting is living by the old rules, Oh you just have to hit back nine, having just at a record I've had the biggest selling record of all time record, there's no rush to go back and studio, but I was rushed Six months later, this I'm in the studio again and with sub standard material hating it not wanting to be in studio. Wanting to you know be writing with A lot of other great writers, unease at that time, but the fall of comes alive if I'd have just got out of my own way for a second or two producer in the well. What it wanted to work with me.

every great songwriter would have wants to ride with me and. I discounted all that just when with well, I've done it all myself so far, so I'm gonna do it all myself, but I need help right, then how was I gonna be able to come up with that? material and follow apa live album with the studio. it doesnt work. You know it's very, very hard. Yeah, I mean it simply also for you I mean, if you like playing, lie is the thing that tells you more than anything else so so the idea of like okay, so it's pull back from. That to go into a mode of creation, which also is nothing which will yet it's great, but it's the thing like you feel like you're here to do in your young. At that point also, I mean yes, like I know you ve taken. You said. Yes, I played a role in this. I may decision, but the outcome of your

twenty five twenty six at that point and the world this is like me I'll, be you and saying, and then you have people in the industry saying well. This is the appropriate next move, it's really hard to say why no better it for anybody at that age in any domain? Won't! Yes, because I didn't. I didn't think I thought well, these guys are really experienced. I'm no management bronco calmly agent, wherever they know I get to know what to do. I had no clue. I was I was a drift I was on one man ban basically is no, three other guys to georgia. I remember being in humble pie, we used to say no or laugh. You know, because we talk amongst ourselves. You know Nobody knew except me what to do with that point, because no one had been there, as cameron's crows said my dear body,

They asked him what just happened Peter Frampton and he said he was strapped to the nose carnival rocket. He was shot off, landed on the moon, he got off there was nobody else there, and that's how I felt you know. I felt like. all these people are advising me, but they have been here. They don't know they ve never handled an artist that got the biggest selling record of all time, so. How did they know? But I say Come to advise that was from there agenda, which was this. Who's gonna lay another golden egg. Let's get that egg happening, get it well. Well, they get hot right.

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It's I mean it's interesting also, so when crow. In the oven comes out with january gas. Seventy six! Now you end up the front cover of rolling stone. Is this near, like famous, give hullo a shirtless shot and then cameron writes the byline and and the title of that is the pretty power rocker right, but is really interesting, because when you read the peace that he rode it doesn't match up with the headline, because he actually he was, he was ass. He even at that moment it was pretty I felt like he saw a new conflict in Iraq. slate intention, a kind of road about it here, but that not really what made it out into the world. Now yeah. I want to thank you He likes me, but I'm gonna happen But anyway, yeah end,

great with cameroon and I got to do up thing on the day of the balkans, together and we haven't spoken in a while. I was just so greater to told with him, because when we went on vacation I gather week we were close bodies for a long time, and still are you know and we were just said within it, as soon as the all clear sounds. We're gonna meet up again I got a diamond nice meal, there are a lot of people are feeling that way. These days right. Yours so on the outside living in the region each phenomenon having around you, you it's it's just like a while. They come wrote me like a bit strapped in front of a rocket ship and it's just exploding taking off but behind the scenes, as you chaired things, struggling you're, you're being in directions which are necessarily where you want to go, and the next

probably close to a decade or so, as you shared it becomes It is a struggle for you. You know it thrown into the middle of that. You know like a devastating car wreck and the bahamas on pain, medication, drugs being and having people who are very close to you essentially take from you and you Simultaneously, trying to create your point, out new were but stuff isn't work. the way that it it did, especially when you ve got This thing, yelling friend incomes, live as does the metric you compare. How do you compare any to that. After that, it's like a man is more or less she's had reason success and I'm so throw back, because it devastating war wanna. The liken. her pale out into two comes alive in the way you know just get it away from it and it's a blessing and occurs. You know

and she's very, very talented and I'm so thrilled. I really am in them so yeah, It was for me, it was sir The eighties were a period way I felt that comes alive, but put me on the moon and Thing that came after that seem to have a crossing cross over. You know, I'm a new chosen badcock you know, front cover rolling stone, shut up. You know as andrew Oldham. Just read my book. My dear friend andrew, was the stones first manner he managed on bovine was recorded. At the bottom of the bottom of the lad reasons. Folks Karbala size what

well, you know I love allow Andrews would always always to the point, and then dear friend different for so many and so you know The eightys was a period of not only did my looks take me all the way down, but I felt like when I left humble pie. I felt like I wasn't off the ladder, was a copy rosa because people mostly in america in england, because people knew me from humbled by so I've got a built in a body and small though it may be a small audience, but I felt that off I mean you and the movie, sergeant ever came out. I went down not just off the letter, but I was, like the ground. And down the room beneath them. ground level. I was on an I had

did myself out of all get on the first wrong again and obviously it In a terrific time from me, it was dead. dating in and financially in. everything you know you mentioned earlier. Your money was taken from me now that its hands alone people but but I was in dire straits and I'm not talking about mark not flow. You know so you know it was. It wasn't right time, but dick of my upbringing and my resilience that I get from mainly from my mother. But my dad is well. I was about to say this is the end. I've always brush most often and whatever I have to do and of course, David Came to David Bowe, H, Dave, zeinab, came to my rescue because we went to school.

He knew me as the guitar player, not He was the singer. I was the guitar play, you know ended so he saw what had happened. and he saw that I come out of it, and I just my first record for atlantic it. Thank you very much dear on it Listen danny and Dave heard that and he said. Oh man, I love the guitar playing on the sound premonition was in them at all. Action is needed. come on play for me, and I said finally Actually, we played on the same stage the same night, but not at the same time for so many years We're gonna play together. You should do so I got to switzerland, make the I'll? Never let me down. While I'm very asked me to. Would I come on the tour grasped. in return. We wanted

to qatar place, and I said yes, I will, I would love now. This is this, The dream come true. This is what I've always wanted to ever, since I saw you reading the book as walked into the school. And this ban on the stage when I was twelve with my dad, my mom. Saturday and I saw the conrad's playing on the steps of the state of the entrance of the school and I wasn't going to the school yet with the next year and I This was mesmerized, buy skype playing the sacks with the crew got whatever he was back then, and I just looked up at them ass it at whose that oh, let's joan, We ve bearing his very musical when he's very optimistic. You know that kind of stuff, another well dad I wanna be here soon

That was that was it, and so, when I first meda from that moment. And then we met at school and at a great friend, for his entire life. and I. Two from that moment too being on stage in stadiums around the world. He reintroduced lean, gave me this wonderful gifted, did you see me as the guitar by the musician around the world, which was that such a huge gift, you know, He knew exactly what he was. I realise that the time until it actually started to happen all of a sudden. talking about peace at the guitar blair again, and it was thank you I mean it wasn't just your real exert reemergence at a larger scale into music. It was in the way that you want it to be known, or it was for the thing that was deepest in your heart. You, though, he asked not

Not her appearance is not facilitate the pop I'll take a thing, but for the Just like deeply melodic amazing guitar playing, which was such a part of your dna from the youngest aid, is like a beautiful philosopher moment there it was done. I can. Never. I still thank him. and listen daily, as we all do the term he gave my confidence back, and I think, once I got my confidence back then old state. Mary said, let's get back together an unfortunate I didn't work out. We probably did some great music together, unfortunately, we lost steve. He passed away in so I, I thought. Well, it's another thing, You know that I've gotta. That was stating obviously, but then I is called John reagan, my based, let them. the last man that I have to go said. Let's go to.

Let's go do some clubs. Ninety two and down started in I in february We did six weeks of clubs, we ended. doing six months of occurring He kept on getting extended and we ended up back in detroit playing fine old headlining. You know and gosh that was a year. Ninety two was the year. It was just like building. Back again like slow But surely the right way live for you now and by the end of the year we could have gone to on touring forever. It seemed, but then it was time to make another record, and I had to confidence to do it again and I felt like I was no longer compete. with myself and the old

comes alive guy. I was now just you know, building back a career as a musician, and it was, it was the best period in my life that. paying my Jews again, not being wealthy at all, never done it. Came for money. In my life, it's always been because of the music and it worked and gratitude. it took a long time, but Stop paying you dues not the tooth right.

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the dialogue going on between me and one the person, a million other people, do you ever. and four where you fall sort than that spectrum. Yet I'm working on a friend's track. Right now, he's asked me to play some good guitar and I've been doing that and a covert people keep sending me tracks and I give semi as much again. So I can get it the fingers moving europe and then there's there's a moment when it happens when I I play a solo and again now, let's. not now next one, down for second, have a cup of tea come back place, while what What happened in that moment? Why is it so different. It's because I think I disconnect like it's the disco

action from everybody on the side of the stage when I go on stage the connection with the audience and its It's the same moment of creation when I'm playing that solo, where all my thoughts disappear and- I'm playing from my heart, my soul and Not thinking and I go at the end of august- haven't I played, would it where did that come from and das? Those are the moments I treasure the most and some days I'll be sick. Man do sixteen takes and I'll go back and listened, first taken augur well, that was really get access, you know, but I keep thinking I could do better. You know, but yes, I agree with her. As much as I think that. my connection is actually the

when I'm totally bereft of all control, which is And it's coming from somewhere, I don't know deep inside me an end, same thing happens on stage as soon as I leave the side of the stage I have Nobody to tell me what to do at all, or give me advice or whatever, and it's up to me and this adrenalin kicks in and become a from person, I've become a creator onstage, you know I never play the same thing twice soldiers. I can't do it remember what I play, but that's not the point I wouldn't want to know. Remember what I play the game each performance is another painting. You know each performance is an audio painting from me, and I want to make sure I don't like what I played yesterday. I want to create a new something you know and that

why the audience being there and letting me know they like what I just did and I like what I just anybody. You know it. like that feedback, between me and the audience and this arm they create my adrenaline. You know, and I think. specially with mine ibm, inclusion body my sites, which, as you know, is it during my fingers and my legs in my arms and everything right now. I rely a lot on adrenaline. You know and you know, maybe if I'm just playing for the sake of playing taxing, You know I find it a little difficult in some areas may be there. I didn't used to and then I go downstairs man or go to my studio owner property. Can I play on it at all? I thought disappear and all of a sudden it happens

and it's it's indescribable, the failing when that happens, because it's like it's not all the time, but it is every time I go on stage I think I might, a better life of older than I am in the street because hate red light trevor. That's why I love recording at home and when I'm not supposed to be recorded when I'm not to be playing, that someone is I play the best solar war or come up with the best nuke or I saw something is. It is not always like that. It's kind of amazing it's interesting to hear you say. On the one hand, you never played the same thing the same. My twice I have also heard you say, you're very much, a perfectionism. You share that a few times, just in our conversation, which kind of interesting, because on the one hand you figure the professional says. Let me just take this: read this, like the song and practices exactly thing over and over until his a hundred percent, perfect

and- and I think you have that in you, but then at the same time, I don't ever want to do which is really interesting tension my dig: it out it down as among the company is now in his wonderful and when when they ask you, he said when people ask me about your playing ice. The man is always on the edge falling off the cliff because he searching you know and sometimes it there might be a little green now there. But it doesnt matter it doesnt matter its said, for that new- piece of something that I can create data that You mention ibm inclusion body. My aside, us it's from what I understand is a degenerative muscular disease

I guess it started to touch down in your life five six seven years ago, something like ha it's a little. Yes, it's probably more like eight or nine years ago now, okay, mate, yeah, yeah I mean pardon me wonders, and I know you have shared and you're right about that. yeah. This is a progressive condition and for you you know, for for a long time, it has been progressing very slowly and you've been involved with John hopkins in some trials and and it's helped and When you think about the fact that the thing that you feel like you're to do is to play music and to play at live, how You serve Do that dance where you can, if you had this thing that perpetually out there a part of your life. And you also know that it the one thing that you love more than anything else is doing our friend and with people and playing you forgive, your desire to be perfect

when you're playing all the time and still show up in front of other people or do you have had you grapple with as well. I said to can lever time? I manage a great and wonderful, wonderful man and great ideas and really would you I did my career and shown very thankful for him. I said to him: I've fallen three times now and the last time was bad Then I think we ought to be careful with with what we this was before the analogy. I think we ought to be kept with what we book and am live was any is, let's make this. In farewell tour and can go on for as long as you want something, and get all the countries you want to go to, and hopefully, your I b m will allow you to do that so. We did that, but and the finale chose.

I dont have words the people audience This war on the label and I'm so thankful that I got to do it. But Fortunately, we got cut; because of coverage good reason. Obviously, so, So now I'm dealing with them, we ve all got talks. I have two other clocks. I have what we have the covert clock before the all clear, which is Anyone is happening now yet We have our livestock, and I have my eye, the m clock- and I just hope that we'll work together so that I can go to europe because nothing would I've got to go home. Eric and you're citizen, but I'm also on. uk citizen and so

we had the albert hall book. You know, may thirty first this year And we'd all left our calendars, all the ban and when every day I would get up- and you know it comes- notifies you, where you are Today, you're in paris and now I love and the habits and then maybe he first came up and the so called each had a whisper Three of the above all, I said I know. I you know, I didn't mean that when I stop playing. Everybody else has to stop playing, but that's that's what happened? You know ended, so yes, it to deal with that site because I don't know whether I'll be able to play I began depends on these cox. have to work together in the right possible way now. Well, open, that at all does mean

major eternal optimist people say you know: how can you be up MR as well,. I'm playing good, you know I'm playing really well, I'm enjoying playing that's That matters right now is that I'm enjoying playing down the road I'll do what they want to get there. kind of like I have, I know I know what I feel and what I am capable of in this moment You know- and if I and the more I can just keep focusing my intention there, The future will give whatever the future gives. But in this moment yelling this five menacing down Things are actually good. Yes well feels like a good place for us to come full circle in our conversation as well. So we are hanging out in this container of a good life project. If I offer up the phrase, to live a good life. What comes up. To live a good life.

well now things have changed over the years. A good right now for me is. To spend time with my children and family. I was an absent father- because of what I did and do for a living. Until a very short time ago, so That's all I want now, I'm seventy years all I've had incredibly, colorful life. And I'm so thankful. I can't ask for much more so yes, I want to. I want to be the best damn possible from now on. I led the planet. and then I'm actually going to see my granddaughter for the better first time she is born April six and I am writing the song and has the lime words I can.

Reached through the screen. but I can hold her in my dream, you know and that's I wanted the reality of holding her in my hands, not through the screen. You know and why He's gonna be a day. that's beautiful. Thank you so much you're welcome.

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