When I think about Peter Frampton, I’m immediately transported back to my teens when Peter’s musical juggernaut of a live-album, Frampton Comes Alive, took the world and my life by storm with anthemic songs like Do You Feel Like We Do, Show Me the Way, Lines On My Face and Baby, I Love Your Way. I cannot think about those songs without also hearing what became his signature voice-box sound vibrating through my body.
Known in his earlier years for his fierce talent as a guitarist and musician, co-founder one of the first rock-supergroups, Humble Pie, and a collaborator with everyone from George Harrison, David Bowie, and Jerry Lee Lewis, to then Stones bassist, Bill Wyman, and Ringo Starr, that album changed everything. Frampton Comes Alive became a global phenomenon and bestselling live album for decades.
Following on the heels of the album came an equally iconic, shirtless cover of Rolling Stone, shot by Francesco Scavulo and accompanied by a feature story written by a then-young Cameron Crowe, Peters ascendency, powerful as it was, also came with a very dark side. It recast him as a pop-star, an idol or sex-symbol, and icon in an industry that was built to take advantage of just such a phenomenon. The years that followed took Peter, his life, mental health and career into some very scary and lonely places, before his childhood friend, David Bowie, would step in with an invitation that set in motion a certain reclamation, a renewed sense of self, and passion, and direction that fueled Peter to step back into music in a way that nourished, rather than emptied him.
Much of Peter’s story is beautifully shared in his memoir, Do You Feel Like I Do, (https://amzn.to/33lAflE) which I devoured, actually in audio, hearing him tell it in his own voice. In our conversation, we explore many of the pivotal and wonderful moments and stories along the way, as well as some new revelations. As we spoke, Frampton, now 70, also shared his experience living with an incurable degenerative muscular disease - Inclusion Body Myositis - and how, as he described it, he’s got 3 clocks running that are essentially ticking away as he’s unable to travel, hoping to be able to make it to the final few stops of a farewell concert he’d planned to play, back where he grew up, while he’s still able.
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The hay, so my guess today is Peter Frampton. When I think about Frampton. I am immediately transported back to my teens when Peter's music, although juggernaut of a live, album Frampton comes alive, it took the world,
if my life by storm with these ends,
I'm songs- I do you feel like we do- show me the way lines on my face and baby. I love your way.
not think about those songs without also hearing what became his signature talk box, sound virus
through my body, known in his his earlier years for a fierce talent as a guitar and musician co, founder of one of the first rock super groups, humble pie,
collaborated with everyone from George harrison bowie had generally louis too then said
This basis bill why men and ringo star that out,
frampton comes alive. It changed everything. It became a global phenomenon and best selling live album for decades
and following on the heels of that out and just months later came this equally iconic
heartless cover on rolling stone. She
by francesco scrofula in a company
feature story written by a then young cameron, crow peters, ascendancy powerful as it was came with
Very dark side: it
cast him as a pop star, an idle or sex symbol, an icon in the industry that was built,
take advantage of just such a phenomenon, and the years at followed took Peter his life, his mental health, in his career into
Pretty scary and lonely places before
their childhood friend, David Bowie, would stepped back in the better.
decade or so later, with an invitation that set in motion almost a reclamation, a renewed sense of self and passion and direction that fuel peter, just
back into music in a way that nourished, rather than emptied him
peter stories beautifully shared in his memoirs. Do you feel like idea, which I devoured actually in audio hearing him, tell it in his own voice in
our conversation, many of the pivotal and wonderful moments in stores along the way, as well as some new revelations drop into the conversation and, as we see
friend in also shared his experience, living with an incurable degenerative muscular disease inclusion body, my aside us, and how, as he described he's, got these three clocks running in his life that are essentially ticking away as he's unable to travel.
Hoping to be able to make it to the final few stops of a farewell concert that he planned to play back where he grew up and while he's still able really excited to share this conversation with you, I'm Jonathan fields- and this is a good life project.
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spend a little bit of time with you. I am here.
I'm a huge lover of music and
and also maybe of stories about musing and kindness, we're dead.
Jimmie Vaughan in the studio a little while back
news chair and some stories. I remember one. I remember hang a story about tat, actually has little brother stevie
and how he acquired this famous. Sixty five strata welcomed by a pawn shop with his wife money, sees it the window, the
before he had broken. Yes, it was three hundred fifty bucks because it was really beat up
but he didn't have any money too.
Certain circulated around and get
fifty dollar donation from all of his friends bought. It form gave it to him, and then he stayed up all night. Writing money, a love song to her and
new, changing, because when you think about
that guitars you become iconic for using the fifty four less ball.
there's an interesting or similar, really kind?
spaced origin story. How you came to even own nectar. Well
yet. The whole thing is like a fairy story really from beginning
and there's no end and its
it still, it's a gift. It keeps giving so
yes, I had just.
Was with humble pie. It was nineteen. Seventy I was playing Filmore west
And I had just swapped
my esteem gibson, solid body,
Gee gibson does fall
for a sixty two forthwith refined well,.
Unfortunately, we played such a loud level, humble pie,
every time. I turn my my boy
Mark two solo
my solos sounded like oh,
just a mass of feedback. You know- and I was just
and the band were looking at me like what what's going
You know so anyway, after.
After I came off, there was a
friend of mine there that I knew from San Francisco and these mark Marianna
and
Friend of his had told him tat. I was having problems, so he came down the next night he circled
help, but notice that you are having problems. He said. Would you like to borrow one? Am my guitars. I said: oh
I fear that probably be good,
so he said the idiot
as far as it ought to
I like it s, cheeseburger less poseur bit too fat sounding for me so on
I said, but you know what anything
This can be better show
he brings to the hotel the following morning to the coffee shop. He opens up in the coffee shop. This is
come back from gibson having been refinished
Nineteen, seventeen, ninety fifty four guitar and then he had plumbed it.
For three hamburgers instead of
I p ninety original pickups on the guitar and
Send it back to gibson library finished it again.
just took it up to my room and now talent
playing it and I I just found
This was the perfect
everything just falsehood.
Who played on stage that night and for the rest of the night.
showing tat no more.
And it was
I feed didn't touched the ground and
My solos were nice and loud. So I was just and then
at the end of the show
or ended, the run the shows
I said to mark you know I gave it back to him and said I
I know that I know what you're gonna say, but I gotta ask it anyway: would you sell it and he said no, I'm gonna give it to you
and I I mean I'm getting goosebumps right now.
That was the beginning of the various do you know
he gave me the guitar
have given him. So many number ones of all the different runs of gibson guitars that I've been lucky lucky enough for them to do. For me
he always gets number one. What it is
get it does another one coming out, so he's gonna get that one too
and so I
why did I pleaded I played from seven nineteen seventy nineteen eighty we had this,
horrible accident plane crash in cuba,
the spanish liner and done. We believed the all the stage gave us got everything pm
monitors back lying guitars keyboard,
And so, when my check went down a week later, we
not in the country anymore, we'd already moved on the animal.
And when my check went down there a week later
me said: there's nothing left it's just
there's a picture in the book of shows you what is left in nam.
And so anyway, that was it so for thirty years
every time. Someone came to me and I had a black list ball, a man whose name
it is that it might go. No
It's me
and so on. Then,
As I said, thirty years later, I open up an email from
my info at frampton dot com.
And there it is today it so
you know so- I
screamed- and
Looked at it night, it's my that is mine.
I could see it because they took the pick ups out. I know
everything about the guitar inside outside you know, inside the nor the volumes everything because I've taken at all about somebody dies myself. The cleanup
updated. Whatever hinder us, that's mine, but I was gonna tell them that
So anyway, there was a grey area of two years
the guitar was,
Bye.
Someone on the island of coregos, south and east,
the way. It was too heavy
what he was so than his son.
The next generation, as well as the thirty years.
wants to play guitar and said,
Can I take that guitar and to be fixed?
applying to what end
we said jerk ahead and they
you think about it. The most
He took it to me
as soon as he opened the case. He went and he said
you didn't say anything
labour whitney overnight and I'll get
liable, for you said the kid comes back.
Following day unease,
the losers. As you know, what this guitar is, don't you who's. This is
and the kid just
the case ran out,
so that was it we knew had it will. We didn't know where he lives,
so in the end, the kid wanted a new guitar
in eighteen months two years
and so he asked the loser.
Road of it for five thousand dollars,
I want to buy. New guitar
So, basically, then
it still stolen merchandise? So, beneath your goes to be one
offices.
in the government of courtesy
and says you
I think the government needs to buy this it'll be grateful the ilo.
Curacao, if the guy
buys it back data.
Put you in jail.
and what about anybody in jail anyway? I just wanted it back at that point and then
So basically the
minister of tourism and the luthier bring the guitar back to me
Two years later, and we found the whole thing you can see it on youtube,
may get him. I guitar back, you know and
about ten minutes and it's a wonderful video. I love it. I watched every now and again gaza. I just
I remember exactly how I was feeling that day. You know no,
that it was coming back. You know it was
then of course it made it.
whence we went straight from the hotel with
everybody
It's in there was, you know all these guitar
aficionados vision,
the cards in them.
george from down here and andor, so everyone
like looking at it in saying yes, it's afford fifty four fifty five
So everyone is saying we knew what it was, but
We I just wanted everybody to see at once and for all and say yes, this is what I have always said. It is an end.
And so they they kept it for about a month, gibson the custom shop and they
it pliable again today, unfortunately, the electronics one good anymore and pick ups, one good, so
all my friends I didn't know I had so many
less poor lovers,
was sending me patent applied for pick ups in august,
I'm thinking of people and basically it's more time sensitive now than it ever was. I think,
and then it made it debut at our comes alive
thirty five concept when at the beach
and they are doing in manhattan
the stage, went dark right before do you feel my text,
The guitar understand right in the middle of the stage and all the
the job lights headed at once
the audience, went nuts
the guitars night.
it's beautiful, and so I am also a lifelong new, yorker and m.
I'm pretty sure that actually, my stepmother was in the audience at the beacon that night, ah great, because I remember him saying either he saw any ease, sue
I play guitar when I was a kid and I had this early seventy bone strategy that I remember it,
Get down the kid and I need a little bit of money, so I sold it to him and he still has in his beautiful. So we can avoid both look tartan. Remember him!
seeing how beautiful that show was- and I see you back on stage in there with the fifty far less bar the something kind of magical yeah it. You know
it some
Like him to my career, it disappeared
and so did my career for longer.
due to many things out of my ended in my control, I'm down like a job, and
as soon as it came back. Things die happening service
What things had started happening again already put it,
just icing on the cake you there,
tat, the back and then.
I remember the first and anthony mason from men.
Serbia sunday morning.
The filming
the return of the guitar. In the end,
was playing it an ice.
They interview me a hand to beat me and the basque before went on and into the station he sits
Do you feel about playing it
The first time again I sit on
rarely nervous that I'm gonna make a mistake, and I
two million jobs.
goodness, CBS cut that out
nice of them, but I got
bored tape and I couldn't believe
I was so nervous about playing it again. It was
the star of the night you know and
and it just meant so much to me that I just made a little flour, one that in trouble- and I never do that. Others are right that number for nearly fifty years.
Anyway. It showed how important the guitar was to me.
That's amazing! I mean you you here
good friend, who's, a photographer. Also in everyone's always ask him, like tony
like which alibi what cameras gonna make me a better photographer and all this
and this is same in music. I think, would be penalized like that, like where the pedals, where they canal out what's the equipment that
to make me a better ex player and an end
The road line is always it's not about the equipment. It's about you. You know, and still
every once in a while. You find something where, like you, you connect with a guitar drum said or whatever it is. It's almost spiritual and
they cause mark had taken that guitar and he had
He said when he bought it second hand. It was a horrible, green color
who would have wanted a green? That's all I don't know
green danbury banal, not greenland so anyway so
He had sounded
remove and then each sanded sand at it and sand at it and sanded it now. The neck is smaller than irregular.
for when I have small answer me.
It was like he'd sanded it to order for me
and in fact gibson map gibson.
is working on another version of the phoenix we're gonna put one there's gonna be out there forever now, which is in
I'm so thankful,
they sent me to prototypes
few months ago, and they were phenomena I said
this is so great. I said the only thing is the net just is,
It's so close. I said
just a little bit. You know that and then
explain to them how we got that way any
bring it in more than his skin
again, suddenly scanned it again.
he called me the other day, and he said it's an eighth of an inch
george, a tenth of an inch narrower, appoint or whatever was at the nuts
and it's a low, narrow all the way down.
I sit all so you can't do that should know we're gonna. Do it
had not normally, but they are they gonna make it just it's only a little tiny gyre, but
we'll tiny, tiny ana gets on egg.
is a huge amount. You know I mean
yet you feel everything get out of here. It's amazing what you can actually take up to I find gibson day and we were under new ownership. Oj c is.
taken over and we are so thrilled funding.
cited for us too certainly see the next year
The evolution of the famous phoenix now may be available in different ways to do, or people is not going to be a hugely expensive pc, then why we didn't want that there,
you know that they guitar serve them, legendary, it's it's it
you played on stage early on its they guitar that ended up, you know, being featured on friendly, comes alive and an all,
where the place in your play,
from a very early age, starting with the dutch lately and home, and
actually doing
you bumped into you met the women of the stones, pretty early in your genes. That leads to session playing with some an incredible people. You- and
with humble pie, you and Steve Marriott start data and sixty nine is mother. Remember correctly, and it's you
You know what's happening in your life in your head is like I love,
this thing is all I want to do and but in your mind the identity is is a guitar. It's like this is
This is my jam, but but the word
kept, wanting you to be something else and then eventually, when France,
comes alive comes out,
in seventy six,
like the world says who, like this
our chance, you know who I am and I I guess nobody really well. Let me not assume that actually it feels
Like you know, you ve been out there in a solid prefer a couple years before that
doing well, but
friend incomes like if it changes.
the paradigm of everything around you at once, and it
There was also a bit of a mixed blessing for you. Yes,
um.
Being known and and getting every day that I got whether it be a banned or recession or whatever
because of my guitar playing drawn from a very young age
and I mean I'm gonna dimension the herd there because I joined the herd in england
which was in the end. We had three three real big heads,
And were very popular in europe, but
I was picked up,
to be the singer
by the managers and writers of the songs
because of my looks
and I'm gonna use the word only because pete towns and used it to me the other day and
he mentioned that
beauty got in the way
I like, and that to a lot of other.
May it usually happens to women actresses.
And who are phenomenal actresses, but they just then look suggests so great that it it overtakes and everyone thinks
less of their iraqi because of the way they look. It's
such a weird thing and
so anyway, the only thing that happened when comes with the thing that happen,
was alive came out. Was that because of my looks.
I ended up on frank
rolling stone all these. My people, this the devil.
one and you know pretty
much just about every time. They.
I need to take my shirt off and stuff.
Should never have done. You know that
I need you to learn the word no little earlier in my career, but
and unfortunately that kind of talk over and after
comes alive witches
I'll say it myself, there's some incredible: guitar playing on comes alive
I don't usually play my own trumpet
I listened to it now. Every now and again, all here, a check on the radio.
I always know math pretty good and there's people on the internet analyzing my solos, and so I thought. Well, maybe I am pretty good, so I
I took a big hit men
from all that
and it was a coupled with the fact
tat I was
pushed into doing.
follow about waiters. When
had become the biggest selling out of all time
comes alive was for two years you're,
we as good as you last reckon they say.
didn't need to do one in the next four years,
because I always use vehicles is a great example. You think they ve had thirty studio.
I think, that seven and the rest of vessels and live with
and they only ever go near the studio,
because they can stand each other
but also
until late. They all know
their level of quality of song. Is
straw, and now because
why bother going just into the studio until you
not an extraordinarily good song. You know- and
a bunch of sir
I have six months,
six years to write the material for comes alive.
From rock on with ambled pie
the shine on came from that then I cherry pick from
for my own solar records in it and rolling stones number and done all that was on one of my salary and done.
You know so now, everyone's getting
is living by the old rules,
Oh you just have to hit back nine, having just at a record I've had
the biggest selling record of all time record,
there's no rush to go back and studio, but I was rushed
Six months later, this
I'm in the studio again
and with sub standard material hating it
not wanting to be in studio.
Wanting to you know be writing with
A lot of other great writers, unease at that time, but the fall
of comes alive if I'd have just got out of my own way for a second or two
producer in the well. What it wanted to work with me.
every great songwriter would have wants to ride with me and.
I discounted all that
just when with
well, I've done it all myself so far, so I'm gonna do it all myself, but I need help right, then
how was I gonna be able to come up with that?
material and follow
apa live album with the studio.
it doesnt work. You know it's very, very hard.
Yeah, I mean it simply also for you
I mean, if you like playing, lie
is the thing that tells you more than anything else
so so the idea of like okay, so it's pull back from. That
to go into a mode of creation, which also is nothing which will yet it's great, but it's
the thing like you feel like you're here to do
in your young. At that point also, I mean yes, like I know you ve taken. You said. Yes, I played a role in this. I may decision, but the outcome of your
twenty five twenty six at that point and the world this is like me I'll, be you and saying, and then you have people in the industry saying well. This is the appropriate next move, it's really hard to say why no better
it for anybody at that age in any domain? Won't! Yes, because
I didn't. I didn't think I thought
well, these guys are really experienced. I'm no management bronco calmly agent, wherever they know I
get to know what to do. I had no clue. I was
I was a drift I was on one man ban basically is no,
three other guys to georgia.
I remember being in humble pie, we used to say no or laugh. You know, because we
talk amongst ourselves. You know
Nobody knew except me what to do with that point,
because no one had been there, as cameron's crows said my dear body,
They asked him what just happened
Peter Frampton and he said he was
strapped to the nose carnival rocket. He was shot off, landed on the moon, he got off
there was nobody else there, and that's how I felt you know. I felt like.
all these people are advising me, but they have
been here. They don't know they ve never handled an artist that
got the biggest selling record of all time,
so. How did they know? But I say
Come to advise that was from there
agenda, which was this.
Who's gonna lay another golden egg. Let's get that egg happening,
get it well. Well, they get hot right.
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It's I mean it's interesting also, so
when crow.
In the oven comes out with january gas. Seventy six! Now you end up
the front cover of rolling stone. Is this near, like famous, give hullo a shirtless shot and then cameron writes the byline and and the title of that is the pretty power rocker right,
but is really interesting, because when you read the peace that he rode
it doesn't match up with the headline, because he actually he was, he was ass. He even at that moment it was pretty
I felt like he saw a new conflict in Iraq.
slate intention, a kind of road about it here, but that
not really what made it out into the world. Now
yeah. I want to thank you
He likes me, but I'm gonna happen
But anyway, yeah end,
great with cameroon and I got to do up
thing on the day of the balkans,
together and we haven't spoken in a while. I was just so greater to told
with him, because when we went on vacation I gather week we were
close bodies for a long time, and still are you know and
we were just said within it,
as soon as the all clear sounds. We're gonna meet up again
I got a diamond nice meal,
there are a lot of people are feeling that way. These days right. Yours so
on the outside living in the region
each phenomenon having around you, you it's it's just like a while. They come
wrote me like a bit strapped in front of a rocket ship and it's just exploding taking off
but behind the scenes, as you chaired things,
struggling you're, you're being
in directions which are necessarily where you want to go, and the next
probably close to a decade or so, as you shared it becomes
It is a struggle for you. You know it thrown into the middle of that. You know like a devastating car wreck and the bahamas on pain, medication, drugs being and
having people who are very close to you essentially take from you and you
Simultaneously, trying to create your point,
out new were but stuff isn't work.
the way that it it did, especially when you ve got
This thing, yelling friend incomes, live as does the metric you compare. How do you compare any
to that. After that,
it's like a man is more or less
she's had reason success and I'm so throw back, because it
devastating war wanna. The liken.
her pale out into two comes alive in the way you know
just get it away from it and it's a blessing and occurs. You know
and she's very, very talented and I'm so thrilled. I really am in them so yeah,
It was for me, it was sir
The eighties were a period way
I felt that
comes alive, but put me
on the moon and
Thing that came after that seem to have a crossing cross over. You know, I'm a new chosen badcock
you know, front cover rolling stone, shut up. You know
as andrew Oldham. Just read my book. My dear friend andrew, was the stones first manner he managed on bovine was recorded.
At the bottom of the bottom of the lad reasons. Folks Karbala size
what
well, you know I love allow Andrews would always always to the point, and then dear friend different for so many and
so you know
The eightys was a period of not only did my
looks take me all the way down, but I felt like when I left humble pie.
I felt like I wasn't off the ladder,
was a copy rosa because people
mostly in america in england, because people knew me from humbled by so I've got a built in a body and small though it may be a small audience, but I felt that off
I mean you and the movie,
sergeant ever came out. I went down not just off the letter, but I was, like
the ground.
And down the room
beneath them.
ground level. I was on an I had
did myself out of all
get on the first wrong again and obviously it
In a terrific time from me, it was dead.
dating in and
financially in.
everything you know
you mentioned earlier. Your money was taken from me now that its hands alone
people but but
I was in dire straits and I'm not talking about mark not flow.
You know so you know it was. It wasn't
right time, but dick
of my upbringing and my resilience that I get from mainly from my mother.
But my dad is well. I was about to say this is the end. I've always brush most often
and whatever I have to do and of course, David
Came to David Bowe, H, Dave, zeinab,
came to my rescue because we went to school.
He knew me as the guitar player, not
He was the singer. I was the guitar play, you know ended
so he saw what had happened.
and he saw that I come out of it, and I just
my first record for atlantic it. Thank you very much dear on it
Listen danny and Dave heard that
and he said. Oh man, I love the guitar playing on the sound premonition
was in them at all.
Action is needed.
come on play for me, and I said finally
Actually, we played on the same stage the same night, but not at the same time for so many years
We're gonna play together. You should do so
I got to switzerland, make the I'll? Never let me down. While I'm very asked me to.
Would I come on the tour grasped.
in return. We wanted
to qatar place, and I said yes, I will,
I would love
now. This is this,
The dream come true. This is what I've always wanted to ever, since I saw you reading the book as
walked into the school. And
this ban on the stage when I was twelve
with my dad, my mom.
Saturday and I saw the conrad's playing on the steps of the state of the entrance of the school and I wasn't going to the school yet with the next year and I
This was mesmerized, buy skype playing the sacks with the crew got whatever he was back then, and I just looked up at them ass it at whose that oh, let's joan,
We ve bearing his very musical when he's very optimistic. You know that kind of stuff, another well dad
I wanna be here soon
That was that was it, and so, when I first meda
from that moment.
And then we met at school and at a great friend,
for his entire life.
and I.
Two from that moment too
being on stage in stadiums around the world. He reintroduced lean, gave me this wonderful gifted,
did you see me as the guitar by the musician around the world, which was
that such a huge gift, you know,
He knew exactly what he was. I realise that the time until it
actually
started to happen
all of a sudden.
talking about peace at the guitar blair again, and it was thank you
I mean it wasn't just your real exert reemergence at a larger scale into music. It was in the way that you want it to be known,
or it was for the thing that was deepest in your heart. You, though, he asked not
Not her appearance is not facilitate the pop I'll take a thing, but for the
Just like deeply melodic amazing guitar playing, which was such a part of your dna from the youngest aid, is like a beautiful philosopher moment there it was done.
I can. Never. I still thank him.
and
listen daily, as we all do
the term he gave
my confidence back, and I think,
once I got my confidence back then
old state. Mary said, let's get back together
an unfortunate I didn't work out. We probably did some great music together,
unfortunately, we lost steve. He passed away in so I,
I thought. Well, it's another thing,
You know that I've gotta. That was
stating obviously, but then I
is called John reagan, my based, let them.
the last man that I have to go said. Let's go to.
Let's go do some clubs. Ninety two
and down
started in I
in february
We did six weeks of clubs, we ended.
doing six months of occurring
He kept on getting extended and we ended up back in detroit
playing fine old headlining. You know and gosh
that was a year. Ninety two was the year. It was just like building.
Back again like slow
But surely the right way live
for you now
and by the end of the year we could have gone to on touring forever. It seemed, but then it was time to make another record, and I had to
confidence to do it again
and I felt like I was no longer compete.
with myself and the old
comes alive guy. I was now just you know, building back
a career as a musician, and it was, it was the best
period in my life that.
paying my Jews again,
not being wealthy at all, never done it.
Came for money. In my life, it's always been
because of the music and it worked and gratitude.
it took a long time, but
Stop paying you dues
not the tooth right.
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The.
It's funny. I had em. We had
unless you know the author, kate de camilla, surety beautiful bucks, I heard of
We are, we had our industry allow back and at some point in the conversation,
This notion of
the way she writes in the way of her for her her creative process.
The final act of creation is actually an act of connection. She feels like the final either creation doesn't happen until
the person actually read her words, whether to six year old kid or an adult reading it to them.
if
in an I've, been really curious about people where there is
either so like a really strong emphasis. Torch process like it is just
expressive, act that makes you feel like I'm doing them here to do
verses
knowing how that lands and that sense of like no I'm having a conversation there.
the dialogue going on between me and one
the person, a million other people, do you ever.
and four where you fall sort than that spectrum. Yet
I'm working on a friend's track. Right now, he's asked me to play some good guitar and
I've been doing that and a covert people keep sending me tracks and I
give semi as much again. So I can get it the fingers moving europe and then there's
there's a moment when it happens when I
I play a solo and again now, let's.
not now next one,
down for second, have a cup of tea come back place, while what
What happened in that moment? Why is it
so different. It's because I think I disconnect like it's the disco
action from everybody on the side of the stage
when I go on stage
the connection with the audience and its
It's the same moment
of creation when I'm playing that solo, where all my thoughts disappear and-
I'm playing from my heart, my soul and
Not thinking and I go at the end of august- haven't I played, would it where did that come from and das?
Those are the moments I treasure the most and
some days I'll be sick. Man do sixteen takes
and I'll go back and listened,
first taken augur well, that was
really get access, you know, but I keep thinking I could do better. You know, but yes,
I agree with her.
As much as I think that.
my connection is actually the
when I'm totally bereft of all control, which is
And it's coming from somewhere, I don't know
deep inside me an end,
same thing happens on stage as soon as I leave the side of the stage I have
Nobody to tell me what to do at all,
or give me advice or whatever, and it's up to me
and this adrenalin kicks in and
become a
from person, I've become a creator onstage, you know
I never play the same thing twice soldiers. I can't do it
remember what I play, but that's not the point I wouldn't want to know. Remember what I play the game
each performance is another painting. You know each performance
is an audio painting from me, and I want to make sure I don't like what I played yesterday. I want to create a new something you know and that
why the audience being there
and letting me know they like what I just did and I like
what I just anybody. You know it.
like that feedback,
between me and the audience and
this arm
they create my adrenaline. You know, and I think.
specially with mine ibm,
inclusion body my sites, which, as you know, is it
during my fingers and my legs in my arms and everything right now.
I rely a lot on adrenaline. You know and
you know, maybe if I'm just playing for the sake of playing
taxing,
You know I find it a little difficult in some areas may be there. I didn't used to
and then I go downstairs man or go to my studio owner property.
Can I play on it at all?
I thought disappear and all of a sudden it happens
and it's it's indescribable, the failing when that happens, because it's like
it's not all the time, but it is every time I go on stage
I think I might,
a better life of older than I am in the street
because
hate red light trevor.
That's why I love recording at home and when I'm not supposed to be recorded when I'm not
to be playing, that someone is
I play the best solar war or come up with the best nuke
or I saw something
is. It is not always like that. It's kind of amazing it's interesting to hear you say. On the one hand, you never played the same thing the same. My twice
I have also heard you say, you're very much, a perfectionism. You share that a few times, just in our conversation, which
kind of interesting, because on the one hand you figure the professional says. Let me just take this:
read this, like the song and practices
exactly thing over and over until his a hundred percent, perfect
and- and I think you have that in you, but then at the same time,
I don't ever want to do which is really interesting tension
my dig: it out it down
as among the company is now in his wonderful and
when when they ask you, he said when people ask me about your playing ice.
The man is always on the edge
falling off the cliff because he searching you know
and sometimes it there might be a little green now there. But
it doesnt matter it doesnt matter its said,
for that new-
piece of something that I can create data that
You mention ibm inclusion body. My aside, us
it's from what I understand is a degenerative muscular disease
I guess it started to touch down in your life five six seven years ago, something like ha it's a little. Yes, it's probably more like eight or nine years ago now, okay, mate, yeah, yeah
I mean pardon me wonders, and I know you have shared and you're right about that.
yeah. This is a progressive condition and for you you know, for for a long time, it has been progressing very slowly and you've been involved with John hopkins in some trials and and it's helped and
When you think about the fact that the thing that you feel like you're
to do is
to play music and to play at live, how
You serve
Do that dance where you can, if you had this thing that perpetually out there
a part of your life.
And you also know that it
the one thing that you love more than anything else is doing
our friend and with people and playing
you forgive,
your desire to be perfect
when you're playing all the time and still show up in front of other people or do you have had you grapple with as well.
I said to can lever time? I manage a great and wonderful, wonderful man
and great ideas and really would you
I did my career
and shown very thankful for him.
I said to him: I've fallen three times now
and the last time was bad
Then I think we ought to be careful with with what we this was before the analogy. I think we ought to be kept
with what we book and am live was any is,
let's make this.
In farewell tour and can go on for as long as you want something,
and get all the countries you want to go to, and
hopefully, your I b m will allow you to do that
so.
We did that, but
and the finale chose.
I dont have words the people audience
This war on the label
and I'm so thankful that I got to do it. But
Fortunately, we got cut;
because of coverage good reason. Obviously, so,
So now I'm dealing with them, we ve all got talks. I have two other clocks. I have what we have
the covert clock before the all clear, which is
Anyone is happening now yet
We have our livestock,
and I have
my eye, the m clock- and I just hope that
we'll work together so that I can go to europe because nothing would
I've got to go home.
Eric and you're citizen, but I'm also on.
uk citizen and so
we had the albert hall book. You know, may thirty first this year
And we'd all left
our calendars, all the ban and when
every day I would get up- and you know it comes-
notifies you, where you are
Today, you're in paris and now I love and the habits and then maybe
he first came up and
the so called each had a whisper
Three of the above all, I said I know.
I you know, I didn't mean that when I
stop playing. Everybody else has to stop playing, but that's that's what happened? You know ended,
so yes, it
to deal with that site
because I don't know whether I'll be able to play
I began
depends on these cox.
have to work together in the right possible way now. Well,
open, that at all does mean
major
eternal optimist
people say you know: how can you be up
MR as well,.
I'm playing good, you know
I'm playing really well, I'm enjoying playing that's
That matters right now is that I'm enjoying playing down the road
I'll do what they want to get there.
kind of like I have, I know I know what I feel and what I am capable of in this moment
You know- and if I and the more I can just keep focusing my intention there,
The future will give whatever the future gives. But in this moment yelling this five menacing down
Things are actually good. Yes well
feels like a good place for us to come full circle in our conversation as well. So we are hanging out in this container of a good life project. If I offer up the phrase,
to live a good life. What comes up.
To live a good life.
well now things have changed
over the years. A good
right now for me is.
To spend time with my children and family.
I was an absent father-
because of what I did
and do for a living.
Until a very short time ago, so
That's all I want now, I'm seventy years all I've had
incredibly, colorful life.
And I'm so thankful.
I can't ask for much more so yes, I want to. I want to be the best damn possible from now on.
I led the planet.
and then I'm actually going to see my granddaughter for the better
first time she is born April six and
I am writing the song and
has the lime words I can.
Reached through the screen.
but I can hold her in my dream,
you know and that's I wanted the reality of
holding her in my hands, not through the screen. You know
and why
He's gonna be a day.
that's beautiful. Thank you so much you're welcome.
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