Being you will entail your faults as well, And part of that is only up to then owning your faults and standing that they are embedded in the kind of things that make you great at the same time and cut of dealing with them. taking responsibility for them and ownership and Alex I stuff, but there we're going to go away and we were not perfect- is not a path to perfection. This is a path to distinction which is very so fully become EU. Does Emily become a safe, dimming, speedy, come in individual, you become realised in your fullest. It's my hope that every person alive born in yet unborn would have the opportunity to fully become themselves so you have heard about it everywhere. But what does a high artificial intelligence actually have to do? If anything, with a living a good life with how you, live and work and play with the choices you get to make choices that maybe you won't get to make with you

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love, so many the thoughts in the new burke and apparently want to dive into a whole bunch of those before together, though, I think I'd be remiss if we didn't spend a little bit of time talking about what everybody's talking about these days, which is the world of ai, or, as I know you over a eyes in florida, You know, jenner they eyes and in particular your writer, I'm a writer, a lot of listeners to this podcast, consider themselves, created professionals or just creative on the side they to generate things and there so much fascinating conversation around what will be the effect of generative, a eyes on things like writing or art, making creativity love yourself, liquor, meadowlands on that First of all, just the kind of point. Blank for those who are worried is that not gonna lose your your job. If your an gay so too, I I I mean there may be other reasons, but the I thought. I'd take your job change your job description, but that's it.

For part is, is that hum so rapidly becoming tools that artist will use? And we could I, but there's kind of even the new are in making them determined. This heard recently a synth, though, the graphs, fog refer, meaning that a making synthetic things with the eye and that's how people are using them in a very creative way. There is like you know: the early regard. Virtue imitated painters for a while the rest Imitation goin on We continue to go on the most of this stuff being generated, is gonna, be generated in places where there is no images right now is no video is gonna, be filling in the white spaces, and then the tools will also be used to make whole new kind of art that we how much experience with so far a lot, it's being generated, artists, world is between them, photography and painting combination,

this time, the image stuff. But then there is the entire chat to Betty, answers and stuff. In the same thing, I think for me the best framing that I take away with his to see them as a interns. This is universal personal in turn that were your guinea we're getting these in turn to you, checked, interned, work you dont want to reduce in turn as your own work it's gonna be embarrassing, so these our assistance. These are co. Pilots. These are guy. these are gonna be used in many ways to generate things some times the general things that we can't generate or easily so lots of stuff being done issue, could do it, but it's so much trouble that we do it in a very this way. We do it one I were as it there are doing ten in a second, and that's you just like searching library which librarians could do, but no google could do frivolous Searchers, you can do all kinds of things with it and I

This idea of having kind of a sustained. Let's go and sometimes producing things that we could not do alone. It's attempts things that we could, but don't want to do a lot and s really and a big thrilling to see what not very good at is replacing us in terms of our judgment. We ass humans have one thing, We do really really good the machines. Have trouble so far is that we a really good sense of what really trauma what what they really like of. The stuff produced by these assistance in interns is but I call wisdom of the crowd middle. It's the air how could they ve been trained on the average the highest in the best? their producing kind of me, Yo occur: good enough to win the jellybean prize for the right guy, the wisdom of the crowd version and they have to be kind oppressed. In pushed I have to get out of that, and

What we as humans, no is lousy audiences other humans were, you really good. A kind of big to produce something that, while as a human more impressive than or make some cry pino, They can tell jokes and they tell sad story but terror, you touch it. We haven't. We have a much better sense of that, so our half of the job, continuing to. Up to move and be capital upper case creative they can be. workers creative which is there is a role for then every no most graphic iris, most of what we produce everyday ourselves, our case creativity on that oh yeah, maybe they are competing with us on the lower case, creativity, just another logo just another day. bush brochure, put out that's a little different, but her case, creativity. The breakthrough does require to require us to appreciate, guided to get out of

what's already been done before, and There will be useful with even that programme- but I saw far haven't seen. Evidence of they can do it entirely themselves. so I would say in brief that our job, creators will shift to being will like a director, this area, where we have a bunch of interns, assistance working with us to produce something doing Lord, that we don't want to do and sometimes things, and we can't do ourselves very easily, but it will new to be something that it's a joy. work its collaboration and those both food learn to work with the eyes well to understand their little language in their works and to be able whispered to them. I think there and to have the blazing pass, but We always have the option to do something by hand without assistance pen, there will be some people were

that kind of art and that's fine. The option isn't gonna go away. I love the framing as a sort of assist indoor, personal intern turn. That's in fact it's the way that I've been serve experimented experimenting with it and using it on when I write, I often specially a longer length piece over both often think of it as taking multiple passes. The first pass is just to get the fundamental facts and ideas out well, then I take more passes for voice and rhythm and cadence and punch, and all these things like what you are describing is very much the way that I've been experiencing, which is to help you get it first pass almost all your way, but There were just wrote, information isn't so much what human beings respond to unless all you re looking for an answer to a problem, no, it's the voice, it's the humanity debts! after rounded, that really draws people in yeah. I think we do. Progress, and I think even our story telling has progressed. The complexity of the stories that we tell acceding in there Hundred ten hours of lost was

far more complex than even the odyssey was or or shakespeare, and so that connecting with humans, in the human situation, careful way is continuing to evolve and our experts at that we are, we get satiated with the simple, easy stories now we want something more complicated and complex and nuanced and if nobody better at detecting that, then a fellow human right now we could change over time, but that this will be all right now, but I think that idea of using them as part of the crew. There were eugene and ass. The thing is that I am forever on time, you know a single person could write a novel british story and text that millions of people could read and appreciate and could change your life. But you know teams and teams of people to do a video or make a game, but

What's gonna happen, is it that bar is gonna, be lowered through the eyes to enable a single individual to make a movie as I see it up very personal movie, using the team of the eyes to work with them to produce feature length movie that they can did the re like a novel and that's good. usually a petrol, because you know they'll be thousands of really bad was made, but as the costs we you pay, and begun with some real geniuses will work in it to me that's a superpower. This being unleashed is, is that were going to bed of, like Elise, individual humans to work in these areas where it did ticker crew of other humans, but I'll. Take a crew of assistance and interns ay. I versions to work today. to produce a new kind of work. So, in addition to like people like me,

helping with the first draft the empty page, which is really hard. There is also the sense of like they can help us complete thing. in a way that individuals would have great difficulty doing it was like possible for an individual to do this over their lifetime. They can make maybe we must now begin- the tools of lower the availability of that individuals- and I think this tremendously liberating yeah the distinction made between lowercase creatively in africa's creativity is interesting to me. Also, when I think about you, know their entire industries of precision, its content in the business domain, personal development, a man and a wifi domains where, ethos is largely get the information out in No small part, because there are some business, slash, positioning and valuable it s going to benefit the individual, the organization from a business context- and I wonder about that

domain of serve prescriptive content. That is not focused largely on creative element of it, but more just the pure information element of it. To me that feels like the pot of this, that is more subject to taking the head. Yes absolutely so that lower case kittv, where you are during things again, where the display inks and so really clear that one of the best use cases for the stuff is going to be used in the medical. Well, read the diagnosis and interaction. Doctors and what we know so far, which is that well, by itself the eyes are not merely biscuit as human, but same time. We also know that increasingly human daughters are using the eyes to help them, because there, getting spider that way, and so the result seems to be that they know the air I plus human. That team is the best

combination is better than any. I and it's better than a human. But there's one saying that we also want to remember, which is the you know, the entirely solo ay. I daughter gives you a doctor, but is better than no doctor Then there are this vast areas of the world where they dont have access a daughter so having access to her they, I doktor, is a step up there's two things happening to different dimensions. There is this left the brush. captive said: we like yeah, it's gonna, be kind of road to thickly, be that creative but a serving something where there's a blank already authority is no authors has barely know daughter and then is helping the boy that started, become even better that's the same thing character. Creativity is like yeah. That's going to generate a lot of thing where there is no image right now. There is no text. It's going to be prescribed And fill in that and is, can enable the best to be

better. The bulgarians and sounds like also relate those who may be be getting by functioning on the level of lower case creativity. Now with will find themselves both free and pushed to not function at that level anymore, exactly right where the eighties say one computer. I restart the word Librarians who did search They were paid to do. Searches on this system called dialogue which had all the same, of literature. And then it was so expensive and oh obscure and so technical that you actually needed professional to search and because he were you whatever was sixty dollars a minute or more and have fruitless searches, and you had to kind of lay it out. You have a plan and had had some go in and they had very obscure ways, searching for things that, without all like Google there's no way, page ranking and, like I stuff that versions of libraries did lose their jobs to google

who came along. Everybody could then search with that same power. You had a personal liberia. Now then It was kind of we would understand very prescriptive kind, searching their alertly, doing keyword, search for things that we don't even think twice. doing one hundred times a day so that job the task was the task went away. Library, You're still needed, because her says in there still power searchers. google there at the may, who make their living doing. That of other. Wasn't the beginning the where there were power searchers, who are still being. teresa things, but the tools keep increasing so so that that task is certainly not something that we do and for those few people who that was her task, that that job did go away and if you're, ass great now is in, out of the road creative worrier producing things in them were formulaic that too sk as label very level too.

Passed on to these lower case credulity, of an eye, at the same time, if you're somebody who's inclined to say well, if a voice and texture and phrasing and the the the upper case, creativity actually does what there is most now I get to know spend so much more of my time in that world, which were a lot of people, I think, is going to be a lot more fulfilling and satisfying. I know for me: that's the bent, I'm taking there's one other aspect of what happening now that I've been curious about that, I haven't heard a lot about, but I have a feeling we're gonna hear a lot about in the coming year, which is this notion of. Another element of of what's happening in around a eyes in the domain of audio and video, especially, is the ability to create human sounding boys and video, and also that literally, is closed in indistinguishable. from a boy alive human beings. I know we use this technology already in the production side are putting an audio protection too great

if it and because it easily certain things, we're heading into a year. Where potential for on video too. Proliferate around the world and become just an onslaught of things where it's very hard to detect reality from what's fake, reach, whether you feel that there is any attend, for almost like an existential crisis of digital gas lighting ray you don't really know, what's real or fake anymore, Here's! My marriage guess when I'm watching a movie these days I serve my assumption. Is this all the time OECD, I assume, that everything and The thing is, I don't really care, not care if at that moment, the actor is there, and I mean if I m, in the verses full faces. I literally don't care the thief creators,

happy and they're doing it, and I can't tell then perfectly fine. I care can tell her to do better burrito said we get the by where catch us assume that we can't tell next, I don't care about in the movie and them the default ever gonna have, as it were, going to sue for the most part, the any damage, has been created by a high, a less were taught otherwise where do care is in the news, jack layer I care tremendously there and there's gonna, be the explicit promise from the news organisations is at the door for us, this gun it's a real thing, Unless we tell you otherwise and then comes down to when you see something it is like. Where did you come from It has come from a reliable source because, as the only way you can tell by looking at it, you can we tell where it came from into this:

this will come down to his it and we may have systems or we can cut of embed. That kind of provenance. Re read the things to say this: you pass along is like this is a believable source or not. People who want spoof the source, of course for ill, but they'll, be ways and come that is obvious. What you did say is it there are always will be ways to tell can make a eyes to look at things to determine whether this was made. There always bear is usually a matter of money. If how much is it worth, and so how bad you want to know- and they'll be ways to verify that this is true, and will have an instrument for verification. If we care about it and so for new sites, though be pleasantly people, testing to say you know to verify that the that they're are keeping their ended. The promise, Then it comes down to like the individual's where you can

have to se. Is this idea of gonna be subbing in and the mafia? You should discuss those whether or not This has been altered and it is matters to people. Like when I have a photograph. Your photographs, I dont. disclose. How much photoshop I used on in It doesn't matter for, what I'm doing it doesn't matter just met me: there's something else fashion do something where the actual degree photoshop mattered than I would have some kind of disclosure. About an quarter should have some kind disclosure about IL. I'm am using it not just a shade of tweet the color, but a moving things around, ok, whatever it is, so I think, with both with disclosures and with, providence than sense of em, prevents maybe that they are tracking, that I think this how we're gonna do and I think the defaults gonna be for what was to assume that these two were involved

as I see a photograph today, I assume this been through photoshop to some extent, some well. touched it in some way and of its news photograph. I spent the debt, she will be very minimal. They the promise they're making publish it up if it's artist. In a museum. I would soon it's pretty hot The involvement of photoshop net, makes a lot of sense. To me. I guess the middle ground is you, ve got news on one side and you ve got the individual in the others, had met in the middle way got these giant social platforms, which is where so many people, especially of certain generation, learn whether quote news end and then yeah me right now as we're are talking livery. There's no arguments going on around legislation about like how much responsibility the platforms have around accuracy, legitimacy of the content that appears on them, and I think that can be a really interesting domain. You should reforms take them.

Of journalism is media that they have, and while the centre there, the old I post my art on it. So there's the vehicle for art holding the platforms to that is giving the wrong job. I don't know They possibly can. I think it was. Better to try to edge people to assume that anything they see is been. You know manipulator fixed her whenever a less there alfred claiming otherwise and prevent, and so, if you see something forward by someone else or retreated, you should just assume that it's not real it's gonna, be an interesting a couple years coming. I as as it always is sure. the

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switching gears abed we're having this conversation on the eve of thy your next, but coming out excellent vice for living and its fascinating, because it sounds like you hit a moment in your life when you start writing down advice, fur and, moreover, the adult kids and it starts out as well. Let me just jot down a couple of things turns into almost like a years long project yeah, we weren't. Normally, we as parents have three kids all of the The other belts now hand dumb. Were that really usually the habit of giving a lot of advice and totally not ready down. But I was re done for myself in terms of trade John down, those things I could remember the changed, my behavior until I got the habit of writing them down like an example would be. If I was you for something in the house, and I could I knew I had to be confined it and I finally found it. Then, when I went put away. I would was half way down the don't put it where I found it put it were. I first looked for it which, by them,

I loved added by his wife, who exactly is really works. So I remind myself he told them. No put. It were first latour in that house. They changed my behavior, so this reducing that down to put away. First look for this is an example of because of johnny these down, and then and the conclusion that actually you know I really wish to know about this earlier with us, well life, easier, There are probably things. I know that my and daughters. Don't know that I should be letting the know. I have now notice, and so it became transferred into I'd efforts I have one evening and trying to write down me if I could think of- and I decided to do it on my birthday, which I sixty sites that I think I can get chiefly eighties and when I did that Share with them, they really Did they shared it sheriff magritte extended family. There is reception. And ricocheted around a bit,

and I was encouraged the. Why should I have more these and I had the or did it each year the more real as it had more to say. for me there was a thrill and trying to reduce the whole book stuff into one little sense that the editor- The editor and me in lloyd, that process of telegraphing it down into a tweet. I didn't realize their retreat into after I was done and idea of impressed Many things into this will handle you can hold and remember, became, the main creative act for me then I enjoyed and beware kept going cause I was I was like something here of weren't, something they can discuss but we can. I come in. Sit down into this one little sense in it all I could do a phrase at an even better and that what the creative process for me was about, and that's Why I came to the one little If advice in the book, which is art, is what you leave out. So this

they're, trying to leave most of it out was the the assignment that I really delighted it yeah. I love that answer when I read that one little quip also, I was taught by somebody years ago. They used similar phrasing. That said, art is deletion, and it really powerfully, as is a classic hemingway style, also reject gravity and deletion sake. it's what you leave out the hemingway's famous six words story. I love serve just me and or through a handful is with you one ass. He shows up later in the back to that, but I think who speaks to the moment that were in in the workplace. Right now, you can get smart people to work extremely hard just for money, and it seems like but individuals, and no this by organizations, are really struggling with this at this moment. In time I mean, I think this is true. The thinking is like canada, a late stage in our moral progress or development is that we have

it's a society general they're are allowed people who have reached a level where their basic these can be met and once you get there because people who are working just to make enough to get by, but with you can get beyond that, then you have to have additional motivation, in pink course is famous for his drive ideas about what really motivates people in its very clear that this way beyond money in terms of getting the best out of people and so We're operating many copies of the thing were real. We just need a minimum of people. We need their best to kind of go forward in debates. B to competition, remarkable all those kinds of things then left with a question which I didn't say, what where were they gonna work for higher right step that and can it be? The mission is gonna, be quality, the people that they work with often

kind of like the reason why soldiers keep fighting its is actually not the enemies to keep their band brothers alive. So first there's a sense in which are here that you working for the air, the pleasure to give the people who work with and nature of the work. We did your producing, deliver our mission people, how your felt, how you treated by the management, all those things when the play and the thing that either We wonder this remember has set an organization is at its way beyond just the dollars, the sort of you have a bit of a corollary to that it will not a carly, but a complement to this, also, where you say, work to become not to acquire right to that Koehler means to the individual, so for you, Oh nobody's and otherwise no ones as well asked with your possessions, as you are this remember that when you think about buying expensive car behind

variances trump possessions is another one. That's say that way, but that's the just as it is that damn your her dear also, the thing I say it is good to attend his may funerals as you can stand and listen to what people say about the departed and what they generally will say was very the do about their actual achievements, and so what they possessed. More about what kind of person they were with which a carriage was how they made other people feel and that a wake up, call for me or their times. If you reflect back in your own, working life are their times when you feel like you, reverse these in your life, be verse them in terms of working to become verses, working to acquire o, o o there was not one that I necessarily change my mind about. I think it was only something that had increasing clarity about idling. I will naturally was sort of me, in that direction, but I didn't could not

ever articulated that kind of signed up baby began to college when I did at the time when it was not done I was signing up for basically like I'm meeting be poorer, my life pebble, the time to do stuff, but it might make them, you think I'm living somewhere so they built with without very much in la time to do stuff that was sort of what I was signing up for that kind of the experiences of the possessions, but I think I could have said it that way so well came over time was a clarity about that. If, for thomas, I changed my mind about their there be a couple end, and I would say this, the very first one in in this: book as disordered right now, which is learn how to learn for baby. You disagree with and were reconceive has hitherto there with a belief. I think that took me kind of a while to embrace and its a challenge as it is for everybody

I think your subbing. We find agreeable until we don't want to be around them too a kind of get to the heart of what they believe in Heaven help you see. Things require some effort and its ethical painful, sometimes actually to be roundly condemn, for me. What I found is that it's kind of worth it I don't If you can do this, all the time. that's just a natural, then you can hang out with people that is kind of like Focusing on your strengths process weaknesses and you do. A deal here weaknesses, but you don't wanna. Have it be the focus we get a lot more of expanding your strength. In developing a shift in the same thing with like how old They get more from working with people that I am in alignment with, then but I need to occasionally sometimes on a regular basis, deal with things I disagree with to be sure to tell myself doin,

still believe what I think I believe taking this is the question I ask myself what hey to change my mind. But what would I need to hear and that's a question highlight to ask other people's like real. What would you need here to change your mind? like wendy, where my looking for two with spare my thinking. Direction there. I feel like we live in a place where it's become so much easier to silo yourself, sure It becomes that much more important and, as you said that you are a realist, this doesn't in that. Do this all the time with every person every circumstance, but if, if there's they do it. At least some of that I'd like to expand your world rather than shrank said outbreak, you're one of the other things editing alot of people struggle letter and I was gonna say earlier in their lives early in their careers, but I honestly don't know if anyone really gets better yes I'm unless you practice getting better at is sunday I share, which is right. Thence steering your life to avoid the unexpected directly for it yeah yeah.

I mean this is covered general by us. Have towards not getting it right. Not repeating yourself think somewhere else said the odes when you're student, you know basis Limiting your masters imitate the people copy, those that intrigue you and suffering literally copy that me that's the best with a word then, together on your system, it is a good way to start, but copying yourself is a terrible way to end. Were you just kind of repeating yourself so that serve one I would say monsieur, but one things internal work against is hum doing the same thing over again, because it's easy to do it's not a laziness thing it oftentimes. The audience is demanding that said Johnny Mitchell play for both sides now ray? I mean it's like they why to you to do the same thing as certain way.

Customers want you to be utterly reply. Will they want you to give the same dish? the task is exactly the same as it did last year when they were visiting. So there is a kind of, I would say artistic, but there is. There is a bit how it demand that you keep doing it and you have to balance add with your own growth and also with the fact that the cuts We don't know about that. actually need you to keep improving and changing. The hit. She held. It could be possible, but that's part of what you're doing as a creator is served during this possible thing of better than you were an Oh, it's a difficult difficult to see how you can you make it better than both sides now write me the fact that the perfect song, so that's the this challenge of knots getting into those loops. It rots and- and I another bit of advice about the trade off between experts?

during and exploring so exporting, is what we're just talk about where you are figuring out. What you doing a doing it, more efficient way more, better deeper doing what you do well and maximizing that versus exploring where your train something new that could fail and doesn't work and looks embarrassing. First of all, I get knowledge and stuff, and or you're getting lost it's very inefficient, and so there is A ratio the the great pleasure of sitting down with milton glaser a number of years back this incredible designer and he was describing how in the mill of his career, he had developed quite reputation and every time that would come to him, maybe not every, but many clouds were caught him and say do that thing that you did. That thing that you are known for and for literally the entirety of his ninety one, your life and much of that was his career. He furiously resisted ever having a quote style, he

always wanted to push his own envelope, which is a lot of what you're talking about here. Exactly right- and you know, The truth is- and this is what most professional I will tell you, is it is much easier to have a clear if you have a style economically much, her to have something that you can. claim, is your style bitterly if his style it now the people find hard to imitate that relay, there's really in advance to that it. much harder to be creative person and not have a style so I have the benefit them that try his duties as a career and so I don't have a stout to the extent, even if you do have a style, if you can all you still haven't challenge of kind of keeping a going. the additional childs keeping going while not losing your style and so so it is not an easy thing to do, balance and guy. Going back to getting stuck in a rut, but we can have rights Whether a creative or not just in terms of our lives and hum

for me like I try. dissidents incur The dinner table just kind of like kay the skip mixing up there. Lots of things I do without thinking. wearing the simple assured whatever it is. simply lunch every day, but there are other things about where I dont want, or do the same thing each time and that's again that between exporting what works versus exploring what's new near an event.

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this species so much of what happens in business also, but is also very personal. You notice on cost fallacy. It's alive invested so much in this already so much money so many years of my life, and If you had to make the decision to say yes to do it today, so many people wouldn't make that decision. we have to discuss this the general thing of questioning again. Will you Thank you believe what you're doing the kind of constant refrain of questioning yourself in a helpful way, not in a kind of racked by doubt. but more of the opportunity to say you'll can be doing it. This way, could be doing that. But are the possibilities by the way. This is the point. I wish you. other people in your life, this, is so hard to do. by yourself, and this is why we have where A full of other people from family to friends to clients and customers in the whole thing is help us in that. Gee back to you

It's a curious paradox it in order to become the most individualistic and unique You need ever by us to do that. come unique on your home. It's kind of weird, and so you need people around you to help you see who you're becoming to help. You see what your strengths are to help. You see whether you're the right hand, and so that's it curious paradox of other things that, in order to I am uniquely you and do, and whether the business or otherwise and and doing those things you Others are and you'd help you see and do that then. speaking of becoming uniquely you, you also eight, don't be the best, be the only the exactly half my favorite one out of them and hard to become better certain things do excel and stuff, and this is, An argument against top here pursuit of excellence. This is saying that

and the latter you want to accent, should be your own ladder. You want to be the star in your own movie. You don't want to be an extra in someone else's movie in that. As good as you might be in the movie, and so This idea that you one aim for something that only you can do or you're the best doing it to few other, can do it. is definitely one a mere life, but is definitely an incredibly high bar its the most difficult thing in your life will, figuring out and in doing it nobody could comply said, nobody is serve. Nobody arrives. I have privilege of hanging around with people who are incredibly accomplished famous billionaire rich. They're still on their path. still asking himself what they might do when they grow up there still trying to figure that out so its journey.

It's a path we all know and that your kind of on the entire time but You wanna be on that path, not the path to kind of becoming the best vince because that's someone else's idea of success that someone else's hurray successful in europe, I want to be like them that same kind of success and That's a very limited! It is very unlikely and is probably not you, and so Headed off in another direction, requires finance requires bravery in some senses requires lots of things, to do well, but By far will be the most rewarding thing you could do because, as you're doing it won't things it You try to become more yourself that becomes easier to do things as your kind of Your headed into the things you do well, then the people find difficult, and that is these euro news convicts were natural sickly. I can do that is wise,

the difficult work. I think that that path. Is a never any wall path of take most have people ask me most of our lives, to call on their end, but There are so many advantages to it that the least is there you want me to write a resume, and then you won't have much competition. The few are, there This is something that you are sitting for, especially for you that that means most other people, aren't you too, for it, and so So that's so others again tremendous advantages in go in that direction. Yeah and no one will be better at being you than you write. It just doesn't happen and along the way you assess each has to embrace what you call pro noisy. If, on the financing that right, the said a paranoid which I think so many of us like flit, that in an urban way yet paradises, believe the certainty that the world's conspired against you to bring it down and paranoia is the opposite a term.

Did dinner coin that mean The universe is conspire to may succeed and both of those are stories that we tell ourselves in some ways and it cannot tell the second story of this, be you'll, be able to go further. on happier, because what happens? Is that few belief that you have asked other people conspiring them is that You can trust them the trust that they will give you the best. Oh you're, enabling in permitting them to give you that to them, and we are going to benefit if you who are suspicious and dont trust them. Then they can't give you their best. That programme lawyer if the framework of tat seeing people, as does the default? Defrauded untrussing cause your primary conspiracy to help me You may occasionally be cheated or robbed, but that's a small tax That you should be willing to pay for the abundant

of goodwill and best treatment. people are gonna? Give you assess, no comparison that you can be overwhelmed with, with goodness so. The tax of being cheated occasionally is small bringing at home in the book you write, your goal is to be able to say on the day before you die that you have fully become yourself yeah, that's my go and As read this said, it's the high bar but it's some into worth, aiming for and part of being yourself that mean, oh, I do think it put it in a book, but love thing I would say the greatness is overrated, that most great but another great art, greeley efficient in a very corresponding. dimension as there, greatness virtue and so there kind of extreme, but it does mean that

being you will entail your faults as well, part of that is only up into an owning your faults and understanding that they are embedded in the kind of things that make you great. At the same time and in cut of dealing, then baino taking responsibility for them and ownership, and all that stuff they're going to go away and we we're not we're not perfect is not a path to perfection. This is a path to distinction. Wishes different so fully become EU. Doesn't When you become a, it means speedy. Come in individual newcomb realized forced, that's what I infer from herself in that's my hope in making the book, and my own work is to bring tools to people, that open up those possibilities that every person alive, born and yet unborn would now the opportunity to fully become themselves and have that coming full circle. In africa, conversation in

container of good life project. If I offer the phrase to live a good life, what comes up When I hear that I hear two things: I hear what can I do as an individual to live a good life in. Some of the things I was talking about are partly by also here. We We need to do to help others. The full life. to live off. What would we need, but well, what do you need and so like? What do we need to do that? Everybody has a chance to live the good life, and I think for me again- I think, technologies the instrument of that second part of the in which we can bring more choices to people, that's what Don t give us more choices, war opportunities to two. Expressions to enable that expression to help others so that's sort of one level that working on loan our foundation is also part of that fishing long term generational making Regional thing, second enable

many generations, sir things that we need more than our lifetime to build. That would help that. So that's Whenever I think we need clean water and universal education and the human rights of mobility. We need lots of things as a society to enable the kind of for everybody. individual, I think requires a kind of honesty about seeing ourselves self awareness and honesty about her own. buildings and relying on the people around us signals about. were becoming and fundamentally, I think, is an act of the curious thing that that your life choirs kind of honesty in a kind of generosity year, compassion gratitude. Everyone called throw very late, to have a kind of I have other, trusting in others, empathetic You trusting in your your understanding, others of Kevin openness to others. Is

for me, all the people that I know that I feel are living that life have some degree of granite. Food for the work they have general spirit sharing that a trusting of others, there is The curious thing of being giving away in getting the all the seas are to me a kind of connected together and people that I see them was successful. It seemed to have that treat that seem to be connected. Or in a way that I don't have good words for, but there is a sense in which they are under the ride is not alone, it's only simple, because so many people around them. conspiring to help them be successful,

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