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Today, I want to ask the question: what is truth? What is reality? I think that's what We are going to talk about today. They questions are not easy to answer any more because of the system. Radical progressives have taken and we don't have the concept of truth. Any more. There's more were controversial questions to answer these days like what is gender? What is the truth on gender? What does it mean for a man to be a man or a woman to be a woman? Is gender concrete or is it fluid? I thought the idea was if you're gay you were born that way, but now know the

questions have been buzzing around campuses for a few decades, and now they are in the real world and they are everywhere these ideas that men aren't really men hand. Men can be women. Those were the surf x should have a test, wait, a minute. That would be a woman right. No can't say that all these ideas have become mainstream thanks to a small group of bullies. Quite frankly, who mostly gather online- or at least they used to- and most people are too afraid to stop the bullying the heroes of the Mannings early heated culture that surrounds us are the people who are willing to stand up to those bullies and stop those bullies and they are superheroes, but actually there not they're just

regular people who are like. I am not go in there with you, doctor debars, so is one she used to have an ordinary life until she said. No, I'm I'm not gonna, say those things. She had a life uncomplicated by the vitriolic total strangers who threaten her in harasser eager to destroy her anyway in every way they possibly can and that's the life she lives now for deeper. So the fortuitous event. The moment the changed everything was a fairy convention in Toronto furry for the uninitiated. I learned the last time Deborah was here that furries or people who dress and animal costumes for recreational reasons. Ok, she wrote about the experience. Harbours magazine, picked it up by then the marxist invasion of academia wrapped up and then exploded into society as a whole as an academic. She felt threatened by the activists in academia. There are people dressing up his animals. What is the controversy ere? They were

everywhere, suddenly, even in the hard sciences which are supposed to be immune to that kind of nonsense, what's it ray

for a scientist or an academic who wants to challenge the narratives in society, academics, even in the hard science increasingly feel threatened by activist who don't want any evidence to contradict their narrative. Who are these people never didn't see the point of being in a field where she couldn't pursue the truth and sue she laughed. Could she couldn't stay quiet either? She just refuse to let ourselves be bullied after eleven years as an academic. She left academia. She said it was the best decision she ever made. She loves research. She keeps in touch with her former colleagues and keeps up with academic advancements, but it's not the same. Not too long ago. She was a humble canadian sex researcher with aspirations of running her own lab one day. That would never happen now. This is the air of social construction, fluid genders and transgender flags being marched through the streets. The science of sex has been politicized endeavour, so wasn't on the right side. She was an having any of it. She was on the side of truth, so she found herself catapulted into a culture war. She wasn't fighting on the side. Cheat assumed she'd, always been fighting for now as a sex, all just a neuroscientist, a journalist, Anna columnist. She is caught in the tangle of politics, sex free speech, academia, science, all of which are her speciality, she's she's, fighting her own people, or at least they used to be before George Orwell's nineteen. Eighty four became a reality before statements like men or women, and women are different and children shouldn't be sexual ized. Before those things became controversial back. When truth was indisputable and gender came in to variations, and you didn't really get to choose, she tries to be optimistic and and thinks it will come back from it. I admire that in her the science will survive. That reason will emerge unscathed

it's hard to believe that every day, but she does believe it she's the perfect person to talk too during these incredibly orwellian times. The name of her podcast is literally wrong. Think a concept right out of nineteen eighty four, the last time she was here. She educated me on the furry culture and we debated the moral implications of sex robots. There's no telling what will end up with this podcast welcome, Doktor, Deborah, so so doctor, I come to you as a patient, I tell you, I'm a fifty six year old man, but I have been convinced forever than I am, Actually, a woman What advice do you give me? Well, I

everything I'm not a clinician, I don't do clinical work anymore, but but I good clinical practice would suggest. Would he to ask you what makes you feel that way. That's going on your life! Currently that may be leading to you wanting to Tommy these things. But if I say well, you know I felt I've always felt this way. I have always felt like I was more of a woman rather than a man, and I just I just have the guts to do it now, because the of society is, is giving me affirmation that the yes, indeed I am a woman. Why, is, I think, a good clinician would try to see whether what you're saying is actually true, because in some cases I think when people look back, their own history, so she when it comes to something like gender nowadays is very. Before them- to reinterpret their own history in a way that fits the current narrative, because that's what transact Erasmus pushing, but I

in the larger picture, when what is really troublesome is the fact that clinicians can't even do that in terms of doing a proper assessment the patient to see whether transitioning would actually be helpful to them. Now it is really a condition, has no choice but to say if you feel this way If you were to come to me- and I wish I were a clinician, I would have to affirm you and that help Vassili. Your transition. Without asking you any sort of questions. So I just saw a m by the way I it's good say. As I know, it has just saw a rose from the CDC the cervix should have an exam, and I thought there's there's only one group. There's only one group of people with us cervix and that's women. And I was stunned at the facts so now you can't say women

should have their cervix jack. You have to say those with cervix theirs Am I wrong. I mean we not doing cervix transplants are we will there's a dead standard to because news organisations, not all of them, but I've been seeing this trend and people been very critical of this what they will not use terms like women, have a cervix but they'll, say something like men's seamen. There's no issue in terms referring to men when it comes to their anatomy or anything that has to do with in their bodily functions, and so I have no issue referring to trans people using the pronouns they want. I will consider trans women to be women, however, I do think there are differences between Trans women and women who were born women and- acknowledging those differences is not so vague and I think, also to say that women have a sir. X, I dont know Should we consider Transphobia either. I understand the concern because I think some trans activists feel

and trans activists don't speak for all Trans people, but I think so activists get upset by this, because they feel it's not fully inclusive. To say that women have a cervix because Trans women do not have a cervix so by saying so you're, essentially excluding them from the category of woman we were ending. All I mean this name in the book. The end of gender, and you are getting a lot of push back on this, because I think that is the goal to end gender, everything you know you were just on which a rogue in there trying to get that podcast delisted. So you could be even more deep. Send people won't. She won't hear what you I have to say, but that is the goal is in it to engender, was I should clarify the title. I chose the title, the end of gender to refer to the fact that

science, denial and denial of biology and all of this misinformation, those currently being perpetuated in our society, pretty much everywhere, I mean even by medical organizations and scientific organisations. Now this is really doing us into service, and this is leading us to have a failure of an accurate understanding of gender, so want to clarify that. That's what the titles referring to, because I thought on the surface? It can sound as though I'm saying gender whatever you wanted to by the very far far left progressive and I still consider myself to be liberal, but I'm duckling not extreme left to say the gender is whatever you wanted to be its purely self identification. There is no tethering to reality. Your gender and changed only multiple times a day, although these ridiculous things that people are saying and that as a society, we are almost being forced to comply with, because there is some, signs to now that people don't actually know what's true anymore. So in the Look I do. I go through nine different myths and I can talk about what those are if you like, and and I Offer scientific research

to demonstrate why those myths are not true, so that people can really fight back is So I do want to go through some of the mess some of the some of them that I found really fascinating. Your explanation of gender is a social construct. Splain that concept. It's very trends. I wouldn't say, is trendy anymore. It's just taken for granted. People believe people say that genders the social contract, even though that's completely not true, and then from that it spread now to gender as a spectrum, which is generous, not spectrum and all the biological sex India and is a spectrum and socially constructed which is not physically possible so who ideally generous social construct. This means that the way we experience our gender associated gender roles are due to

socialization in society their due to the media, its due to message saying that we receive when we are young- that's not true. Gender is very much biological, has been demonstrated. A number of research areas, all of the research litters literature is very consistent and last time I sat down, with you, we talked about the ways in which scientists are really denying these facts and that new researchers actually coming out. They read the new research that is coming out is very much politically motivated in saying that there are no biologically a base differences, brain between men and women. Gender is something that we learn so an end that basically any sex differences, we do see between men and women are due to socialization or sexism So then what is the oil? Why is this happening? What is that

spleen the mind of somebody who's pushing this. Who knows what they're doing. Explain this in a good way, what what is there? What is their noble attempt here? I sense is that they think they're helping to move society forward, that this is positive for women. I think, also more broadly, for people who media gender nonconformist people who are gender. This work so with of the nonsense about gender, those being pushed, I think the one I when I see them spear when I talk to these individuals who are pushing these claims, they say it's because they It's gonna help people be more comfortable. Who they are and help them in their full potential not being held back by gender stereotypes, but I say we can do that. We don't have to deny what the science says around gender or deny that it is biologically based. I think for some people, especially those who are in academia and who are pushing this, it is very low, if it's helpful to their careers and they get a lot of positive praise, and I think,

opportunities I come from it. I mean you mention some of these things. I've had to experience in this book came out only three days ago, and it's not you know its offer everyone's. I it's a much easier path for people to simply say that this is what need to say to be liked and you get so opportunities and move ahead in my career than that's. What they're going to do to think they believe it or they choose to believe it s. Probably a mix. I think some people actually believe it, because when you are in particular circles and academia, there is not its it isn't go chamber, I think, for some academics and deftly not all, but, I would say, there is in a push back, they talk to their friends, they talk to their colleagues in the department and they all think the same, so they have no opportunity to really question whether they are actually I weather

their beliefs actually make sense sort, but does in this area. Is this thing that bothers me so much about where science has gone? They have become the church of the dark ages. To where they are all talking among themselves, and they all know what is true and they will demonize and destroy anybody who goes against the doctrine. How do they not? How do people of science not see that washing others who disagree is a really bad idea, well, I think of many of the people who are fighting who are anti. Science are not the actual scientists. There are theirs Emily contingent growing within the academic sciences of people who are fully I stayed in social justice. I do have a chapter in the book. That's dedicated to discussing why social, justice and activism in academia and specifically in technology, which is my former field, which is decided?

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which is it an an what happened here on fluidity and just it's your choice. Sexual orientation is definitely biological, and I do have a chapter on the book dedicated to discussing why that is. The so that now, as you mentioned more recently, there has been this switch now to save. It sexual orientation is fluid, that it can be changed, I think this is part of the larger movement just to completely denigrate biology to say that if we are going to be truly free, we should be able to make our choices in every aspect of our lives, including something like sexual orientation me personally, I have no issue if, if sexual orientation, weren't choice and people show to same sex partners. I think that's totally acceptable. My issue is that people are now activists are intentionally denied, what sign says, because it doesn't fit their agenda and they have a very special take a gender so they're going to basically throw aside everything. I mean all of them.

Search. Literature to date has shown us that Joint action is very much in aid, and this is something that was heralded by the Gay rights movement, and I am very much in right. Gay rights, that is to say, Therefore, in this way, will tell me about the end of the changed to tell me that tell me the neuroscience behind being gay, so it has to do with exposure to prenatal hormones so in the womb agree. Their exposure to testosterone is associated with being attracted to females so most males are experts to higher levels of testosterone and they are attracted to females. When, born and the higher exposures also associated with male typical activities? And so If you are, if you have someone who is attracted to as a gay man would be on average exposed to. Were lovers of testosterone and cover

silly lesbian women are likely expose you on average higher levels of testosterone. Okay, so And that is the evidence that everybody everybody was looking for? The gene the gay gene in others is years and years ago, but this is the evidence that you are born that way which makes the argument that he notes it's almost like with Martin Luther King, ok, you ve convinced everybody. I think that Martin Luther King was right about now. Martin Luther king is you to throw him out if you, because Martin Luther King is wasn't for non violence, and so we throw him out he's no longer, and I of the the uber left What are we supposed to believe? What are we supposed to mean these are anything. That's not fluid. Does this

changing and what is it going to change to next? Will this everything is, I would say, trust the scientists and trust the science as it comes out. If new studies came out showing something different, if it studies came out that actually amidst rated that sexual orientation is something that can change over time or that gender is something that changes by the day or by the hour. I thought would say most people argent sense, internal sense of who we are with regard to how mass glitter feminine, we feel probably does flux wait to some degree, but it's not something necessitates completely changing what the definition of gender is an end. Under fluidity again, it's just it. We can talk how genders binary, because it is for ninety nine percent of us, our biological, x and biological sexy determined by whether you produce sperm eggs, so there there's no in between there, so is not essential. You're talking

bout science and in science there is is verifiable, we're not talking about science anymore, and I don't know if I buy you need yeah, I don't know if I believe any scientists any more on so many things, because their rewarded for giving the the correct response now they're rewarded, financially their rewarded. You know with with fame and and peace and love and everything else, because they are on the right side, so do even trust science anymore. How do we trust science very good question I mean it is really sad time and it's scary time I think part of it to comes from the book. I interviewed Jonathan Height and he talked about There is definitely a bias in terms of the ratio of liberals. You conservatives in gmail and theirs. I see for every conservative, there's thirty six liberals which is a very astounding gap, and I think that says a lot in terms of what we-

you coming out. Unfortunately, that does influence the sciences, produced. I think, a goods scientist is aware of their biases, because, where human beings we all have biases, that's very normal- as a scientist. Your job is to be of the put that aside. Beware: what your policies are in design your studies in a way that you're going to get as close as possible to what the truth is not info by your own particular values. There the story that I read today caution think it came out of California was California law that states that, if you're a clinic and you give hormones to children too. Help them in their transition of gender you'll get state grants, and I thought this is one of the most evil things. I've seen you're you're, saying I'm gonna reward you with cash if you give these hormones,

children, which I think is wrong in the first place, like whatever you want to do with yourself later fine. Is a child? No, Well, what do you think the ramifications are of that law? California. We carry saucer to see how widely that news gets spread, because I'm willing to bet that it probably did you see, reported among many places. I find whenever it something like that. That's that's a little bit critical. It doesn't get spread very much people don't hear about it. So how do you mean critical me? What It was just ass. It was a report on a new law. Okay, so I, because I find anything, I think most people look at something like that and say well now there is a conflict of interest rate weak, really we can't trust that necessarily when these interventions are being implemented, that they are necessarily in the bust?

course for these children. I'm not saying that the case for all people here who are prescribing them, but in terms of the idea. I mean I don't agree with. I've been very, very a college of childhood transitioning. All of the research shows that the vast majority of these children will outgrow their feelings of gender disorient by puberty there more likely to grow up to be gay than be transgender in adulthood. So It doesn't make sense to be putting them down the path of transition. I think you want it when someone reaches adulthood, if that's what they choose, that's their business. But years, especially with anti scientists anti science to say that these children should be transitioning how do you mean anti science of the a wise that anti science, if all of the scientific research shows that most kids will grow comfortable in the body that they were given to save They should now go down path of transition into the opposite sex at increasingly young ages,

see numbers that show that children as young as aged three are being referred to. Gender claim which to me is wholly inappropriate. So you ve been called Transphobia akin to all kinds of all kinds of names. Because of your view. But yet you started the interview sang you will call trans woman, a woman who used to be a man as a woman, you will claim that they are a woman. I don't feel comfortable doing that, because I don't think I mean you just don't have the parts and you you also don't have I mean to say that you do? I If you for prostate cancer, you know to me: I mean it, it just become so meat grinder, that I think it can become dangerous?

the wire you under attack for what you say about transgender ISM, if you're willing to say yeah that man is now a woman like I agree with you in the context of a trans will mention wished, and this is why I think it's important to point out that there are some differences, because for trans women they do run the risk potentially having prostate cancer. They need to be checked for thy road to pretend that that they are no dear, and from women who are born. Women actually does a disservice to trans people. So I I think the reason I mean it's hard for me to know exactly why people come after me, but my senses, because I do say these things that are not pillar and that I dont completely? I'm not please the under per cent on board with the transgender ideology and that's being pushed, and I am to call again of child transitioning, which is a big. No. No, if you're supposed to be a Trans allies, so I mean would say I am in support of Trans rights, but I dont. I guess I don't go far enough.

Not direction. So I think anyone who really criticizes any aspect of transit oh gets. Labels hateful gets, transfer back as is deemed the enemy is really about. Pushing one varies if a message and a few deviate from that in any way than you become the enemy so. Who aware, would I be upon the spectrum when I first saw Bruce Jenner say live this secret. My whole life and I ve been torn apart. My whole life. I immediately felt compassion for him and and if she want, if it makes him feel better too live as a woman What am I, who am I to say anything other than I and imagine living your whole life feeling that way the torture his life must have been an

I don't want anything much happiness for him. Power That doesn't, It doesn't take science out of it. Now I mean there are certain things scientifically that food you. You are not a woman, but if you want to live that way, that's fine, that's fine. Why is that so hateful? Why is that an opinion that is so damaging to the left. I would say also most trans people feel would feel the same way they theirs. They just want to transition and get on with their life. They don't want people making a big fuss about it. In fact, some of them have said to me the things that Trans activists advocate for are not things that I would have ever asked for, and they are actually quite mortified at the fact that some trans activists and their allies of some people who are not transgender but who have decided to take on the Trans fight for it.

Our own reasons of trans people are saying they dont speak for us, so I think part of it is that because of all the attention that trans activists They get a lot of praise as well and they get a lot of attention. I think it's about a very specific, color paragraph? That means really at the end of the day, it's about individuals wanting to get me accolades for themselves, and so anyone who gets in the way they won't stand for it I'm I'm struck by something that happens with social justice warriors seemingly on all fronts. Is answer. My mom was a real person. She had a real life born a slave became very, very popular in person

at the Chicago Worlds, fair. She lived a great life. Her family was a little upset that she was just erased. The guy who's cream of wheat machine just been erased. He was a successful black man as well, and an ad is its own restaurant and that's why he was elected in in yet answer my mom has a rating of I think it's a hundred and ninety nine two hundred is a perfect score with whites me enter my monsieur up. We got about seventy percent. Seventy a score. Seventy four blacks answer my servant syrup God, a score of one hundred and ninety nine. I it's a bunch of white people said all this is horrible. Let's he this away, and I see this happening everywhere, where it's a small group of people, that you know Antiphon marching in the streets and burning things down when you have when you

acts on the sidelines going this? Isn't, though, this is not a! It has nothing to do with us how big is this group that seems to just want to tell you everyone. We're here to protect you and we're here to tell you what you really need and what you really want Edwards. I would it's definitely a Vulcan minority. There are some people who deftly get alot of air time, their CERN names that are known in terms of who they are it turns to, and they want an opinion about something when it comes to trans issues. But yet I like, I said they don't speak for the community and I think they are people are lovely people. There are no different from the rest of us and I feel bad for them for the fact that there are some people in the community. I was even among trans activists themselves. Not all of them are horrifically aggressive and and for some of them are actually quite pleasant when you do interact with them. So it's really

and about just, I think some people have their own issues and their latching onto this cause as a way to make themselves field. Feel more hole It is its remarkable how this new this group of people have, have just latched onto all of these causes, and and and seem to really embrace the main stream or even the smaller minority groups that they claim to be helping it certainly there's something deeply disturbing by behaviour, because there is that in many cases, acting out in violence or acting acting out in destroying people's lives, because they think they have a right to, and I just don't. I don't understand that in the west

I just I haven't seen it except for you know Communist nazis, but maybe that's who were fighting, but I don't know anymore. The EU You have been outspoken on the the big things in society. But I am, I am concerned. I know you address this. About women acting like men and dating, etc, etc. I'd like to talk about the things that actually are influencing and what's coming in the future. What do you see over the horizon? That's actually going to impact the regular person and how some of the stuff that is being taught right now he is going to end, act, our kids as they grow up, go to college and what point of view is going to be what what's coming? Can you do that

Yes knows is good is actually going on. Your last point I wanted to mention there's a study that I need to talk about in the book that showed that political correctly does not actually something that ethnic minorities like they actually think it's gone too far, and it is actually very wealthy. While he created white people who are pushing so I again it speaks to you know. Do you actually care about the group you claim to be spent four? Is it really just about you and making you feel better about yourself I find it incredibly. Hang on just as before you go there. I think it is. I mean I find it. I find incredibly racist. You know. The way they are are fighting and basically slim basically saying look these poor people over here. We as white people have to jump in and save them. Why? What are you saying about group of people. You're you're,

your immediately setting up the very system that you say you're trying to destroy? It is just so remarkably, think because we aren't weight that we're not capable of taking care of ourselves as what it comes across to me as I live, it's very worrisome to me because I feel like this common. There's an array. Of course, it's important to be again racism, of course I'm against racism, but this is not what it's about anymore and I feel like it's about people that they don't that there is such an obsession with race. Now that I think it's actually going to be more divisive and it's actually gonna make us not a cohesive society, I don't think it is about race. I think it is about just dividing us. It's very you know

middle eastern. I guess in its in its thinking that so that's the wrong term for it, but the boat with how it how we are being divided is exactly how the Middle EAST divides itself as a tool. I think, and it's not about race, because Eurasian, where the where where's anybody say anything about Asians mean the Asian, anti asian by our only were waited in school, yeah and you're. Not you know you eat, the whites are supposed to be so superior really cause. I mean I don T know it talking in it in a very broad term.

I, my kids up against a real asian family that has the real asian routes to them because their they they just they work differently. They think differently. The family is different, whereas anybody saying that Reno, Asians are being minnow discriminated against because they are, they are being discriminated against in the opposite way it because it doesn't fit the net? and the thing is I dont think is anything inherent to us as a racial groupers, racial category. I think, like you said it's hard work, sculpture an emphasis on education yet, and so these the things that anyone you know of yours. If you strive to be successful, anyone can achieve these things as up it's not per se. There too our raise. So I don't see why people can't take the positives from that, instead of essentially punishing rage asian people for doing well,

the asian people and again generalization, but ones that are actually living the culture respect the family. They respect education, they route, they respect all the things that make you in to a successful, individual or successful family or group and the opposite. I'm sure you saw what the Smithsonian put out about the White culture, my guy that has now white. That's a successful culture. Nice I saw than I thought avoid Asians. We really are why I guess then I saw that- and I thought I wouldn't. I would expect something like that to be said by the clan. Could have been issued by the clan, and we all want to end, while that's racist, known it's coming from the federal government. Now

yeah, but I'm going to your question about how this is in effect, children as I just the gender ideology, because this is targeting kids in school, is actually in their curriculum, which is the most disturbing thing, because I parents telling me all the time about with their kids are being taught in school. It's not fact based, being taught things. I again, gender social construct that its due to traditional stereotypes that some people I d devise both genders or neither their nose thing as boys and girls, and it's very confusing to children? And I think so for these kids we're being raised on this they're, going to see that the real world does not, is in alignment with what they were told and I think it's gonna be very disorienting for them, so the book Do I did write it. I see as a resource for parents and it is child friendly,

that there's no swearing any reference to sex is right, clinical and an atomic goal. So it something that you could give your children if you want some resource to combat what their being taught in school and as well. The audio book, I think, would be very good if, if you wasn't too in the car with your family I was really inspired by many colleagues reached out to me saying you know they have no way to fight back against this, because when they meet with the administration at their kids schools, the people people will say the newest What work near newest science shows that gender is fluid and my colleagues are saying. Well, I have no fighting back against, because I dont know what what studies D upper. How what I can say so I have all that in the book to help them and then and another related area and other chapters about Saxon dating- and I think especially for young women and men who are trying to navigate remain. EC relationships and eating. If there told that many women are the same or that something like evolutionary psychology is sexes. While the

that your relationship is gonna play out is not be the same in terms of what your expectations are and I don't think that's I think again People are gonna, be very disappointed in very confused because they won't understand what's in front of them, and to explain the evolutionary. Would you say, psychology currency? Yes, Just the idea that explain our behaviour and especially in the book when terms of what I am referring to our reproductive behaviour, how we approach relationships and in even interactions with the other others opposite sex, if you're straight stems from a very long history, that's been beneficial to us in terms of procreating, so some people. Are you well know we birth control, and this is outdated by birth. Control is only really been around for fifty sixty years. So that's I have time to override millions upon millions of years of evolution. I think it's especially for I think for young women who feel that they are

empowered and their independence. I mean I write a book about how I used to be very feminist. I still am in favour of gender equal of course, as a woman, but feminism has started to prioritize things that are not actually good for women s and I think for young women, especially if they say that they believe that they are feminist. Then they will. Of course, I'm the same as my mail partners, and I should I should approach sex the same way as my mail partners and that actually does a disservice to women. How Bob? Because, as women we have evolved to be more selective in terms of our partners, because there is the risk of getting pregnant and then having to raise that child. So if you are not as choosy about will you have sex with theirs that you may get pregnant. By someone who is not going to be around to help, you raise that child, that's where it comes from from an evolutionary perspective, but I think, modern day firmness will say well that has no bearing on my decision

and the way I behaved today when it ran very much. Does well, I can just raise the child myself. I mean. Why do I need a man? I mean you, do you could yet I mean it's gonna be more difficult to do so. Arguably, one pair raising a child is more difficult than to since in regardless. I think of whatever your political leanings are how you feel about the new we are family, that's just from a very practical point: sewed didn't Have you been following the you social justice and the especially black lives matter now that is talk about the destruction of the nuclear family, and and and destroying the western myths of the family is that not crazy talk I mean a stable family it. Why It's not always achievable

stable family. Proven to be the basic building block of a great society. Is it not rather than you can say that his death. I guess I would I mean I they expect me to say that any. But the strange thing is, though, the weird thing is all this talk about anti racism. Again, of course, I'm against racism against racist, I would like to end racism against by people, but I dont understand why intersection? How does intersection reality fit into this, and, like your saying, why does this have anything Do the nuclear family? I just is very strange to me why these ideas are coming into play. Unless you attach political game,

from the money in the EP mean all of these tax. Their tactics are marxist, and so it's divide and conquer its put everybody in categories and destroy the family and make the state the family, and it I mean, really It's the only way you can explain it, because there are too many things now that are like way way way way. I agree that you know if you, if you wanna, be a woman, you have every right. Let us not do it to the children, in others real scientific reasons, and I understand that all families have problems and in this is the ideal family and not error, is gonna, be able to achieve that by defence. A good thing there's no way to explain what's happening to us other than you are intentionally setting out to do strongly a society that you deem as bad. For some reason,

and you will do you will throw everything and sacrifice everything on that alter? But you are trying to destroy the western society the only answer I can come up with right, and I mean this ideology is also in children's curriculum. There is actually a march here in Toronto. A couple days ago, that was about fighting racism in elementary schools, which I think is a good cause in theory, but when I actually looked at the website of the organization that was running it, they are talking about how there is white supremacy in our current our school curriculum- and I was just thinking I don't know where to go from here. This is just one of those things right years, like you're, not doing the same language, no, there is a in Illinois.

State rap that just called for the end of all history, all: U S, history from being taught in schools at any level, because it will only lead to more generations of racists thinking. Wow. Ok, ok has great so take me through take me through the The limit, let me play the average parent in a couple of ways levied play the average parent that is thinking you know what college or school. I know the teachers, it's it's, not all that bad and yeah. The kids are learning some of these things, but maybe it'll help them be a little more open minded and I'm teaching something different at home. So I don't really have to worry about it. Talk to that parent,

Just you wait till they go away to college, because I've heard this happen for many parents near the kids, go away to college their spending insane amount of money on tuition and the child comes back on the whole. And they say I don't recognize my child anymore. There completely radicalized, and it's almost like. I can't I can't lay to them. I can't talk to them Think for many young people who are critically minded, it could just be a phase that they will grow out of, and there are some young people. Definitely who you know either, to be giving credit, because they are sceptical of these ideas and they don't like them, from the what parents should do. I mean I think there are still value I haven't fully given up on academia. I think there is still values do for a child going university. They just need to be aware that this is There can be few about a lot of nonsense, yeah, do you think that you can survive? I mean some can

You know some will be strong enough, mentally you're, four or whatever to be able to to take, that system on and go are I see what they're saying, but How can I buy but a lot of people? Probably seventy percent- may be sixty percent just Kay to whatever the culture is, and they just buy in and they know they're not could learn. Being taught how to critically think so. Isn't that just rolling the dice and hoping that you're gonna win the lottery with your kid. I think parents are in a good place to destroy. I would think to appoint. You would have re, you'd know your child and you would have raised them to be critical now, Would you not? I think parents. Parents know, and I think it's a bit opportunity for children.

They do go. I mean they're gonna be facing these ideas in society. Even if they dont go to university is going to be in the workplace, it's gonna be with their peers, is, U turn on any mainstream on these networks. A lot of them. The soil. That could be an opportunity to learn how to push back in and, I would say, don't fight every fight. For short, pick your course fisheries, on less ideological professors and in some cases, I've I've heard stories of students will say. I just write what I need to write to pass the course, and they know their doing that there s a difference. I think it's one. If you're doing her evening, what you're saying but does the thing you know this is just what I need to do finish my degree and you take horses that our hopefully meaningful to you that you can get something out of butter the day it will sharpen your your argumentation. Skills ends. You'd be more. I just come out,

so there are there things I mean I buy worked in the media in New York, so I know I can go in and I know how to navigate meetings, I know how to navigate still rooms, etc, etc, and I can be perfectly delightful: however, Is there something to be said? losing something Maybe if you, if you know exactly what you're doing, but how many twentysomethings really know who they are? I mean you know colleges to go, find yourself, no, not its to learn this. Not! go, find yourself and is so many go in and they wanna go find themselves. What what did? What is the psychological ramification of going in for four years and writing things? You don't believe in.

What you don't even two years ago, I would have said- maybe maybe my position would be different. Maybe it would be beneficial to consider other avenues, but the thing is it: as I said, even if you don't go to university, you're gonna be facing this. If you gotta get a job, you just work: instead of going to higher education, you're gonna have to face the same same ideas and after figure out, how are you going to navigate that? How you and a push back against that but your head down and basically go along with it. So I mean these ideas are spread so deeply in our society. Now that I it's, there is really no escaping them is there a way back to sanity howdy, tragic reset, I think We will get there, it's gonna probably get a lot worse. I didn't think you would ever get as bad as it's gone, even in the last three to six months. It's just absolutely insane right now, but I do think we will come back for men and it's just a matter of hoping that the damage

be too bad. When we do, I think, in terms of the issues around gender, I think it's when all of these children have transitioned stew de transitioning does when people are going to start. Those who are really heavily invested in this narrative are going to realize they can. Deny the truth, anymore But you know there was. I mean I added I hate to go here, because you know it's just so stereotypical, but Just look at the science of the progressive movement do you know in Europe and then in the from the turn of the century, too, you know nineteen, forty five there was a place to where it was going along and then people are starting to warning. Oh yeah. Maybe we should be looking into all of these things in this kind of this ideology, skinny little spooky and then it just went to hell and took a giant reset. I know that people in my business are looking and saying

If we continue down this road at this pace, gosh, Am I gonna be able to speak out in a year and my to be able to have this job, because between tack and everything else, I'll just be persons and just year, you're done. So you know you could just be cancelled entirely cancelled. I mean by the banks there already starting their already starting to say you can't have banking services. If you you have these views and you're trying to be public figure. You won't have banking services, that's crazy. Didn't you, you look at your own field on how its changing Do you see a future where you are not allowed to speak and have these kinds of views

personally, I would hope not, but I've set my life up away where I have more freedom than most people. In that you know, I did leave academia for that very reason, because I was unwilling to quiet and I wasn't willing to just put my head down and do what people were telling me to do and say I you know I do feel more optimistic because even in the last six months I've had people reach out to me, people who had said even five years ago. This is a problem that it does not directly affect me. There's no point in me speaking out about this, because I have nothing to gain so I'm just gonna go about my life and hope it sort itself out. They are now saying to me. This is really bad and I need to figure out how I can help change where's that we are headed on and it doesn't matter if there's gonna be a cost to me personally, I just can't I've had it, so I The line will be when, when the majority of people who I think as it is, the majority say we are fully and we are not buying this anymore, I can live environment, more ice

I saw the use and you spoke about it. They use spend some time which all the night who I think is, is brilliant and an really has many of the answers to be able to pull us back together to even understand one another. The work that he has done on language is so important, but when I talk to him. He said you know that that we just just don't. We were not hearing each other and he seemed pretty bleak because of the uphill battle of how many people would have to really get involved and say: wait, stop were not really hearing each other reusing, two different languages. Was he more optimistic or what was your exchange with him like

I sense she was optimistic. I didn't I didn't get that feeling that it wasn't. It would be impossible not to see that that's what you are saying, but just in terms of audio logical diversity, viewpoint, Diversity- and I think his organization hundred docks is making. Good good changes, so I feel hopeful in that way. It is, I think where we are right now. I think also a lot of it. Another amish on you spent on social media, but I find when I'm on social media. It makes it so much worse its day, there's alyosha almost no positive on their I've been on their more often just because I you know I have this book Happy Europe, people to say about it. But I do. I I try not to be on their very much because I think it does also skew the way we view things and at all you see on theirs is just negative videos and opinions and heartaches, I think, that's why we're so divided is because we ve gone from a

a twenty four hour new cycle to about twenty. Four. Second, new cycle in nothing remains: you know, since cove id I've done all my stuff from my house with my family and then we will. To the mountains for about, three months and they lived in a town of about a thousand people none of these problems are affecting any of them. I mean you know and end. The pessimism was coming from cheese. What I see happening on tv and social media boy, we're done but in their real life they don't feel that their done. They are just getting this This snapshot, that is so inaccurate? I was worried and Facebook at first that people would

look at Facebook lives and go she's. My life sucks, because nobody showing the bad side of their life. Nobody showing the you know their hair standing up when they get up in the morning, they're showing just the best things, and so everybody has a perfect life, except for you and your faking that perfect life on Facebook. That's what I was concerned about that is the problem- is just dwarfed by the the spoken of untruths from a very small handful of people. I think that our just bullying everybody into thinking you're in the minority you're in the minority, I find the same thing when I go outside here and thrown out. I've been here for calmly for as well, I ve been writing this book, and now we ve been a locked down. There would ice toxicity.

Sitting on the street? There not concerned about than the same things that we see on social media day in day out her, I think, also working in media, the one of the issues that we are faced with as part of our for fashion so that that does help meet it? but more balance. I think and realise that the day, sometimes is better Justin things away go to something else here so, I think goes back to where we were talking about schooling. I think that goes by to part of the problem for us too. To do that. That is important that we keep perspective and we disconnect from some of that. But then we look at the places where it actually is happening and really doing damage and influence. You know in the things that are happening in our schools and beyond the universities, but are our high schools and are elementary schools. There's some really dangerous things being introduced into the

schools, and we cannot dismiss that so as this hard space on what dismiss what. Why not? Is it really on fire or Is it just something that our kids are dealing with? A different world How do you know your back? your battles. Why, as part of the process not apparent so annoying, I can't all their parents what to do. I can't really speak from personal experience, but I would say my senses parents are able to, ties what's important for their kids and if you feel uncomfortable structure with regards what your children, our teeth being taught in school, don't be afraid. To say so and dont be afraid, even take your kids out of certain classes. If that's the case, because I have called you're doing that they said. There's no there's no other course they don't feel that this is better their children they dont want their children to be indoctrinated so that quickly, right and if other parents want to go along with that, then that's their business

how can you believe we're having this car first? Well, can you believe you and I are having this conversation wary EU and I probably would have thought- will never have that conversation the ten years ago, and I I believe that not only are you and I talking in and our friends but that we're talk, about a world where I remember in the nineteen nineties, I read a quote from a manual comment that I I would not understand at the time, and he said there are many things that I believe that I shall never say, but I shall never say the things that I do not believe and I couldn't understand a world like that, I thought: what must it be like to live in a world like that this one, for him. I mean I can't believe we're talking about. You know. Gonna pull your kids out of school do because there,

see. You know you just there's no other choice and you can't really fight against you know this or that- and I guess, yes, it's bizarre. I copying and many times and just think This is real alligator. Did we slip through a worm? Hole oh yeah, but you, I think, are the reason why you and I get along even if we do have different opinions is that we have that same personality trade, which is that we're not gonna lie, and we We are mindful, and so I then, I think we're both open minded people in that way, because I, for me it's engage with someone. I dont need to agree with them and I don't need them to agree with me. I just what I would ask is that they give me a fair chance. If you, if, if if I entered a, a conversation with someone who, no matter what you said you would I changed my mind, that's a waste as a waste.

Then, and I think that's the problem too many conversations are happening with too many people who are just trying to win. I just want that Ruth and in and I've face the truth about myself and everything else in my own life so many times where you're like I don't know, if I want to believe that cause that'll be hard to do or hard to believe or her to stay true to and and you decide is the truth worth it or and when you decide the truth is worth it, Then you can have conversations with people cause. I don't no it's true. I know what I have found and if you can find something that makes more sense tell me about it, cause I'd love to be wrong on a myriad of items.

I would say there are two ways to live in the world. The way you the weight is and the way you want it to be, and I think for people who want to see the world as it actually is is it is more difficult, but at the end, the day you are seeing the truth and your living reality. Otherwise the truth is gonna come out. Eventually, in it's gonna hurt you even more Thank you so much for your honesty, thanks for being so open and men willing to take the arrows. I know that you have managed. Have taken some really that arrows and now courage is contagious, and I thank you for spreading the m, the message that can disagree and how can sit down. And I, I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you so much robbing me again just a reminder.

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