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From the headquarters, Ramsay Solutions broadcasting from the dollar carbon society they see who's today, rabies show where America hangs out to have a conversation about your life, your money-
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you feel good afternoon. How cannot today- and I hope the least I can do now- I illusion-
usually the perfect candle from my question under the bridge tat. You are a man, not they forgot. How can we help them?
so like my wife, and I were a baby steps for five and six. We both work like
learn, jobs and more low compensated, and my wife
to come home to be a full time bomb on school or dollars. So we thought about it
worried about it. Uninstall support it, but she has
guilt about like leading a six figure in time and also like afraid of failing till I get.
her like she's bring in a six figure value to her employer, but she's invaluable to our family. Right denser,
I know like will so pliable my income, but are we making a bad decision in order?
Can I help her alleviating fear injunction. Let us talk about the income side and I went down to China help you figure out how to connect with her on the Minto and emotion, decided things west, your household income right.
Currently, so my wife makes one five and I make one thirty one care Swain about light, two hundred and thirty six thousand a year, and so she comes home. You gonna go down to one hundred and thirty one thousand dollars a year babysits for five or six. How many cases I have got to go to? How do you feel about that? As a man of the house? Do you feel comfortable with your household income being at a hundred and thirty one thousand dollars? Will you do you,
as if you will be able to provide a comfortable way with that income due only we would sit down like everything right now is that goes beyond the biscuit were working
that right now in two thousand and four five and six like
There is certainly a lot of excess right now, but
either we sat down with looked at the budget, and I really don't think we're gonna have to show like change our lifestyle or an adult
We just may not get the timing of the house as fast and as a necessary evil. Do you have
We must have six months in your emergency phone, so I now
Six. Ok, that's perfect and you all investing everything see, I think, you're in a healthy place. Now I find from a financial person.
I am a huge fan of a one of the parents coming home and I say one of the parents specifically because if the wife is the breadwinner on have a problem with the father coming home and fathering, you know that the kids to me that's what my brother in law did and they're doing financially. Very well with that, and so I think, spending time with your kids, especially
Are there young is more important than money, but at the same time we also want to make sure that you have enough money to provide for the home, and you and your wife do so not today. How does he connect with his wife to make her feel excited not guilty coming home, so Phil I've lived this experience and sums gonna talk to you from from
my experience or go. The first thing. It's important for every guy out there to understand is there is an entire industry. It's the air, it's the water
the air we breathe, the water we drink. That is designed to tell women no matter what they do. They are not enough if they are working.
could be working more and taking care of this and growing humans, and if they stay at home, they should be doing this and there's an entire ecosystem designed to make women feel off kilter
and so the temptation you're gonna have- and you probably have had- is to make this a math problem. We can afford this, and then you took one step further and you made it a character, a character issue which I love, which is true. You add this much value
you're good at much value to our home. So I want you to hear me say those are no
bull pursuit to delay it out like that. For your wife, that's not the challenge. The challenge here is excess since existential its deep rested,
with the message she's received. Since she was probably a little girl saying. What is your value? Here's what you
should be doing, here's what you shouldn't be doing,
and anyway, she looks and leans into there's somebody there.
she shouldn't be doing that, and so what is gonna be a great gift to her
Is you letting her? No I'm going to stop giving you advice. Unless you ask me directly for it, I'm gonna be here and everyday organ, a hug,
Day, I'm gonna listen to how things are going in number two. She needs to plug in with a gun
a friends here, she's gonna, have to do and is going sound counter intuitive she's gonna have to learn.
skills
in the same way should learn skills to go, be a work, she's gone,
to learn skills that are going to help her
an extraordinary ceo of your home and we, like
Think those things are innate, kunak we're gonna, get married, we're gonna know how to do this, and we will never have to learn new skills or not relate learn how to communicate its gonna, be similar
and there's gonna. Be moments of change can be moments of guilt was Gary moments of frustration when she's gonna have to reach out and say
How do I not fill in the blank? How do I take it?
these two kids in one's cryin once agreement once she had to learn those skills and you're gonna have to provide her a safe, Shane Free space for her to do that. Learning.
that failing do that growing in a chicken
process, but the fact that you're calling the fact that you are
asking? How do I love my wife better? How do I love her deeper and how can I facility
this transition in our family duty is blessed to have you
and she's gonna need you not your advice, and I hope you can internalize the difference there to anyone
creative us, any woman who is making this transition. You wanna go home, go home, it's an
Jordan, everything in it is harder than work most of the time it harder than
as the time, but you gotta have a group of people around
they can be with you as you develop a new identity, not daddy and again. I said
by saying that I'm I'm not I'm not marry some asking you Diego Indisposition, afford
someone else. S knee wouldn't even be a good idea to when they're having a conversation ass,
the spouse. I Kate Bay. What do you want to do from home like this
I feel as if some ladys are like hey. I have to be doing something. I need to contribute something to the family financially and I think that's a S fair, but it's like my sister, she came home is heard. Her husband taught she's at hey, but I can do this on a sign in and he said, ok, cool. Let's do this when he comes home, he does things she.
we will do that. Is that even accommodate? Absolutely it's not in and we live in these polar world right now in this move is an all or nothing Gallia, but if you think about it, she went to school for four years she prior Master
we should get six years invested had learned to do this job. I want her to put that type of energy in law.
How to be present and running this house all too and developed that I didn't need
and then yet, along the way, I'm gonna be a writer, I'm gonna be a coach, I'm gonna have a side hustled, that's all that's awesome.
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Leah. How can do today- and I hope it decides to talk to both of you- I'm gonna background
a million have two kids. How question about back from my plan,
we learned about you guys, but much have paid out,
by both now and in that way, to go
We have taken six month, emergency commonplace, man, we just
opened up alive I away last month.
Now I know we're supposed to put in fifteen percent about income or I'll bring home and come into their
got irony I get that, but I don't understand how much are we supposed to put him to a full cream milk can combat such a grey crescent, and there's no specific dollar amount that I wanted to put into that? No less rewire, because you said you spoke with fifteen percent into a Roth ira- is supposed to do fifteen percent into any retirement accounts, so the safer in his apple. You have a job it into a for one k, a rough whirling k or former UK in a match. So I want you to max out that match. So it goes in this order. Match
Roth then any top retirement account. So do you have like us in an employer right now to do in a match, and now I dont work enough at my home at my job was unusual about paper benefit.
My husband is an honor operator truck driver and we are currently setting up money to buy myself a truck as well, so we were both being owner up truck drivers
you gotta. Let me so you're doing absolutely right it. So you are investing in a right area. So why are we even do us? Tat may be call a smart S approach because even think there some other options you can do as business owners and at the Essen p. You can vessel to that as well, but you do now. What do you do in that part right? So when it comes to the five twenty nine access it thank you and your husband can sit down and talk through said. Listen. How much can we put into it and I would definitely say, look into by at least our aim for in between twelve to two thousand a year as about a hundred two hundred dollars a month, if you can best a bare minimum, because studies are showing, if you could do a hundred to about two hundred and fifty dollars a month, you can have anywhere between eighty two hundred thousand thousand account. If you do it over the period of fifteen eighteen years, and so I asked a bare minimum, but what I'm doing is worthless max and it out with my nephew Sidney said: that's what our, how they reckoned!
His nose set percentage, there's no set amount, is whatever you're comfortable doing ass long ass. You are also investing in to you and your husband's retirement sounds good. Thank you very much, and I thank you so much Leah Good, for you guys can combat man. Love that question like how do we take care of our Keynes man? I love that shines enough. Let s get out the new sought, how kinda
and I hope you are you guys, I wonder to day to night,
What do you guys, Bulgaria, men, dishonor taught you may would do well? How can we help us all? So I have been blessed it an incredible opportunity and my question is: how do I get
flies on this moment, an inbuilt, even more wealth,
the young age daughter was opportunity to twenty nine
I am currently only true rental globally.
full time job comes about twenty two
last year
I'm paying due attention
in the two of our aid.
totally about yet another fifty dollars of three seventy five in both
but here the gravy and now you make, but I love that
given the opportunity to live for free
historical home in my hometown.
all the expenditure you tell your pay for- and there is also a budget- will restorations, though I won't be spending a dime
You know. How can I capitalize on this incredible moment and an opportune
Life and I met my wealth at an early age- male young age. I remember blue. I love this conversation, the start brother, you, twenty something about! You single.
Are you single? I am, I think, I'll help random single, but no one here
I've been led by the night yeah, but but you taken ok, I got sick.
eight thousand dollars a year? No dead, you have a fully funded emergency. Fine correct collect our right. You have two rental properties. How much do I owe unease rental properties
I saw about sixty on one
and about one. I'm sorry too, to seventy on the other side were so you're looking at about about to seventy seven and deadly rent properties, but then you're not paying any rent right now when it comes to the profit it you're living it cause. They're gonna be taking care that great yeah
What's your current ray, what right now, wherever you're Livin, I'm not I'm, not gonna, I wouldn't. I currently renting. I was living in a home and I just moved out of that.
to move, ended a struggle home.
And I'm writing that out. Right now go so you know, I said, is again: we had this caused some something similar to this earlier, not a huge fan of financing, rental properties, or maybe I'm just really not, but because you are ready there. The best thing for you to do to take advantage of this opportunity that you have right now I'll be attacking the sixty thousand on the home, has six thousand dollars and then very negative man. I'm gonna go to to seventeen. It is not
right. Ok, that's what I would do in this in this situation and to be honest with you man, I was Yosemite Seventeen without do yeah, I mean tat. Eighty can what you're equity against the two seventeen house- I am always very probable-
it probably worth about two eighty to ninety, so I probably have. What would that be? Seventy then leave
a boy and pay off your other house free unclear, and then
that money in and by your next house, with cash out? I owe you
I own that one obviously it I'm writing it out bird
Our money, though I'm gonna, put that
you can learn it. I'm getting toward this awful through a rental I'm gonna put out towards the mortgage fell. Just have that paid off. We
to images. Goes back to what you know. What what John is getting too as it, which will we want you to pay cash from into properties, but because you are already in a huge fan of you having to be really chicha, but at the same time, if you are in them and you not paying any rate right now, you need to be aggressive gay then I am I end. If I was in your shoes, I would listen to jaws advise years. Why you only making sixty thousand dollars and you have to mortgage- is that your hill liable for us is a lot of weight. Our rather you be,
pay off the more than sixty keg stack up cash go by when he called in to render probably from it takes one mayor of one city to say: everybody go home at both of those renters not being able to pay you think of the month, and those mortgage companies are calling you
the day after I now brother, you can be dead. Three have a house that you have out right that you're right now, you're living rent free gave Rio's sentence, Tonia Texas, Gabriel good afternoon. How can doubt to dna?
Guess I I'll do it, I didn't get yes, I would know grand opera, I just I just found out. They ran the show.
I'm kind of red, my head around the success to see
and was somebody at my salary and be ok. I can I can, I feel, be achieved.
His death
I work a married.
Are you my wife and my own, but only I'll bring on how much
bringing in the year. Well it up whereby a year, but after
essentially, what are these?
with more like twenty six six
until tomorrow, my line taken Gabriel. What do you do for a living
commitments. We're gonna make word for it for university. Ok,
were Anthony, gets into the money part. Are you hear me directly
Antonio God, I was used in Kyoto case, I'm talkin directly to you? Ok, ok.
You do is noble in good in the world.
That university could not go on without you being there sure. So you don't make it
on a money, and you are in the presence of all these fancy pants phds who walk around as those there better than other people. I want you to
me say directly, you ever
You will work that you do your valuable,
I want you to stop hate non yourself in thinking that you less then ok sure they do yeah. Do you hear me directly? How do I do?
what you do is valuable brother. In so dont him hall around Europe. Make this guy. You can fix stuff. Do what I can do nothing
contingent on a radio? My man? Ok, thank you
but you know what answer here, but we start this conversation with your head held high, that you're a good provider. You do good,
You make sure that students have a place with it
learn you.
changing the future of your city in your state. Because of the work you do better. Thank
They deserve. May its major fire me up right. There are some tough
he does. So here's the thing to me- and I want to echo what he said with facts, so the average salary in America today is forty, eight thousand dollars so you're forty five
You know you're you're, not you're, right around the Bob Heart, so let's not less this look. That fact are here's second fact that that that we have to look at you and thirty one thousand hours with the dead. What kind of genesis-
most of the car making a very low, apparently for now you get almost
thousand hours in a car like ours, Ispra.
even the most
because now the dichotomy that critical nice driver, you called us- you are what kind of car zebra
the necessary, as everywhere
I wasn t tat. I took it
Sudan. Thou Sudan can get seventy thousand seventeen. How much is work all in healthcare
Israel, but then alone article and there was the other eleven it you get credit cards.
Now just must have been collections. Ok, like what medical bills, medical bills, utilities, ok, medical bills, utilities! I tell you a little ones yeah
Yup nobler- that regulates the commentator gone from political, ok cooker, so here's the forcing Caprio that that gave me. I want you to really consider before I get to the practical here's, a re forcing you get up in a paper near you. Yet I want you to write down his work. Why? I want you to write that down which the circle that
five times until night. I want you and your wife to answer this. One question: why why
Do we want to change financially? Why
We want a better life after an n n. Do not stop talking about it until both
You are emotional and you see tears coming out your eyes.
when you have that answer, when I'm about to give you necks and when I have Madison do when we get off to fall, is gonna be so easy for you to accomplish, because your? Why is making you cry when a things my mentor taught me man just a few weeks ago, is shipped him. A whole just thought process when it comes to my wine, I'm going into this nature year, twenty twenty one, that, if your, why does it make you cry, then the
eyes of commitment will make you cry. You have to make sure that you really know why you want to change it.
wanna make sure hey. Why are we
when this is when we start this baby step journey, we Randy solutions, is it's gotta, be a hard process, but our
I'm gonna pushes through so you're making good income. Okay, you're right there around average.
the very first day we got to change. This is on my cetera. That's the very first thing and am ISIS starts with where you going. Why are you going there? So that's the very first thing that you and your wife did really dive deep into is. Why do we want things to change financially
then from near you're gonna jump on a baby steps and not really want to live in. A baby's has right now, because you know the world knows him gay or what I'm gonna do is give you some.
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It is never too late to look in the mirror and say I don't have to live another sleepless night. I don't have to look at my wife,
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doing its art and then be free, but you know what a man isn't it funny that people they don't want to go through a process of financial freedom? They just want a half an inch of freedom. I dont think Ethan. I don't think they know I. I just don't think there are theirs millions, but I think there's tens of millions who don't even know what it would be like to wake up and oh nobody anything. I was talking to a person s it ass. It would you rather live. Twelve years where you are or would you rather take twelve months that will be hard to change the rest of your life? She told me are rather stay where I'm after twelve, because her pain has become cooped up. That's right, so she's
and beautiful bondage. She's, not Willie, and I think America listen to us right now. They are not willing to take twelve miles of pain and China should teach a cavern thing to change the next twelve years. Twenty years, when thirty may, we will talk about you,
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video, the post of the popular you to show coming to pockets were very soon the table with an ill. Are your cocoa sedate here Dave Ramsay Show Triplet eight to five five, two to five triple eight eight to five. Five two to five Tina is in physical or Florida. How can we help today here? You are trying to talk to John
then back only Argos September, and I want to give him an update after
like I am you make him up
raise little idea of this goes well. So what what's the update?
it in gaol is ass. I am I talking.
You and Hogan
I was wondering
well, then I had just been diagnosed with stage for breast cancer. Ah, you have you ain't credits. Are you how again,
You can t hurt my husband and I was a coach to help us
you're out our way out of debt? Absolutely, instead of
instead of one month, you're gay, rapidly solutions are whoever the powers that be over there. You three months, a coach just a baby.
two we are get free.
Why
congratulations yeah how good they were already
Twenty thousand for change
credit card and how these truck get an
We had started when we had started the baby steps and I think
May June before I was thank the type of target monkey ran through everything, but arms one called.
What's he gonna. Thank you so much for calling to check back in that's a blessing to everyone. Listening more
importantly than your debt journey. How's, your
of our union.
I feel staunchly I've gotta be lifeline
Treatment, of course, which aim for
go on? I was able to go, go back to work for a week later, the weak and then my count cake and eat it. Blood transfusions, not back off.
Can tell my count come back up, and hopefully I can be released to go back to work and work while I'm
will be enough to do so,
I urge you to know that we will continue to think about you or continue to pray for you and your husband who continue to pray for your health. Specifically,
and I want you to know that there are millions of people on your team and, and my couch that you guys get me is also breast cancer. Survivor, read me perfect codes,
to write and there's nothing better than when you
well, to look at a tragedy that life is just dump in your lap right. Just don't do I lap and you're able to grieve it and to take a deep breath.
Some people around you that are ready to go to war with you are ready to work alongside. You are ready to sit by you and then you're able to make meaning on the back end in this phone call. Woe is me,
making. I want you to know there are millions of people. Thinking is gonna, be there.
Debt. We can't do it as it is. We got this going on our life. I don't about this. If Tina
did I do it. Would by do it you? How can you that's exactly right,
to me to my good friend, Anthony to everybody. Listen to the thing
You know my hope Windows. One have one last thing to worry about when I'm no longer here that our reality sure it was gauge what it is
but he won't have to worry about money and grieving, be at the same time that such aid
such a good idea,
after thirty two years of marriage, it's gonna be a hard one. At least he won't have that to deal with and debt and
everything that goes along with that, along with that, he can just concentrate on,
his feelings in going through the motions and Tina
No, this, but I'll do speak it out to even folks. You don't have cancer, we're all every one of us
temporarily able able bodied,
we're all hang on to sink in ships
and what you are able to do right now is look at it at a true stark, true
right there in the mere right- and you can look at that Knuckles
husband of yours and yoke and love each other recklessly, because Ya'Ll were uncomfortable for
he's needed hard, hard work and I'm so proud of you looking to continue to pray for you. I believe that crazy things happen sometimes medically psychologically spiritually.
and we got your back ever- will, as it shows, got your back Tina, I'm just so grateful that you called in LA. I think it's a Christmas gift for all of us. I appreciate you: kill rock Crystal
I was hoping that no again, oh, I love listening to you. I was out of the day that you too
back on together- and I haven't- I haven't- got that yet so I was like all right- I'm just going to call and try and get through
I wasn't gonna arrow dirty laundry, but Chris actually put a a request in that he no longer be on the show with me, because I'm so much better at it. He is and
embarrass him
he's learning still this whole radio thing Anthony as much
at it, and so that's gonna. Won't we we get pair together, regularly decided on that point
yeah, you know what he is a whole modulator. It's not even Israel voice James Back their drops it a few aspects. He's that insecurity, the whole thing, but anyway, Tina you're really speak.
The plant array of America were airing August during loading. Now he's a saint, but again
so grateful. It's called. Thank you so much for circle back to rise and we are with you on your journey- has moved forward. Dawson wow, I mean I'd, feel offended at oh. No, it s it s a success story and ass, a swarm here. You know to hear more stories. I dare to encourage people, and I just love her heart. Our heart is ok, we'll listing for my husband to deal with. If something desk
way. We hope a desert, but if it is at least one lasting sector in there's something about folks who does it? Seventy percent of
die without a will, because they won't look in the mirror and say here is the reality right. There's people who won't make a budget right because they won't sit down. It's a here's, a reality.
Atinas and inspiration. She is staring death straight in the face and shall continue to work at and is continuing to work at it, and man
can you imagine Anthony been able to set your spouse of in a position to say what's, common is gonna be hard to make it as less hard as possible, what a gift it s a definite well, not to date, been tin, Brinton! I'm sorry from Instagram ask a question. He says: how can I find the shift to forgive someone
When they aren't sorry for what they have done, forgiveness is not for somebody else. It's for you guess. Forgiveness is a brick.
That you carry around with you, somebody hurt you they hand it to you.
and I'm carrying a sinner block around my neighborhood
sorry, sorry and as they know, I'm securing a brick
I decide to set that down. I D
if they say their sorry- and I mean it- s- gravy right feels good. We can reconcile relationship, but forgiveness is so that
I will not carry that burden around anymore jihadi,
death like how do you if it? If I hurt you real bad and I move all of my life, but I did not say I'm sorry how D you release that stress that burden from you? What are some practical things we can do in price,
is to do that. Sometimes it's as simple as acknowledging that you did this thing. It hurt I'm carrying around with me
I am choosing to not carried anymore
and then you will hear pot back up in your head or walk into a room and see you there. My heart will be the little bit not say no. I forgive him up
So it's reminding myself, sometimes its head,
its traumatic, its abuse right. I'm gonna sit with somebody. Who's gonna teach me some skills.
on wine, that from my life and most often it's a decision to want to and we
want to love carrying around injustices. We love king around other people's things. They did ask that makes us feel superior huddled in it, something about setting down a being free. I can deal with it, remained a hassle across me out, though the day Ryan Amiss
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