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the other night. Recently we're going to talk about that at the end, I have some wedding stories for you. The nuggets are up three one in the finals and it feels like we're heading toward nuggets winning in five scenario. They are favoured by now points the heat or two six in their last day, games, which is nothing at asked. one of the worst records of anything. That's in game, five of the finals at worse, one aware streaks, wouldst, thou with yoke, is so because I was watching a joke of it when the french opened today and Thinking about how there's been this tennis, as as my life they usually out from here and then people it, they don't read in eight for whatever way, with the with the american audience and weak I hope with all these different reasons for it, but for some sometimes it just doesn't happen for people. I still think it's in play for it to boy the package, I just think he's so new that people don't really know it but ass. I feel like there might be some foreign tennis bar stuff going on here, where he is

some, but people are like cool, but it's also bouncing off people. I know people battalion by yoga gymnasium, but I am still somewhat perplexed at people who either love basketball like aid or a casual offence. Don't watch the now get some flesh how they play watch. Ok, to display disguise amazed and that's like the only outcome, but it's that is not the only out What this the matter fully understand it. I know we ve talked about alive tax burden on this in some parts, but let's say they blew out miami in there and that's just an exclamation point. They went in five. I don't feel like its can be much different for him. So why well when you said he knew. I know what you mean because he's not new new bite. It's it's new in the way the playoffs work where, when you start to put together little bit of a run in europe, necessarily have to win the title. But it's like a way like euro.

a real guy like you, you have to be somebody. That's accounted for when you're trying to figure out how teams are gonna do about conferences, but the level that he's been at now for the two two mvp seasons and then this season and then to take it to another level in the past, it offs that part of it may be new, like some of the stuff that I see I'm kind of like you know what you're just telling on yourself, you didn't watch him. You'd formed an opinion on him. It was negative. Whether it was cause you ruining for your guy, nor its end. Anti international player thing, which is totally totally part of this. By the way I bid He's done a one man, Yama tweet, that I had this past week, which you know I don't even know if I'll bother get into it today, but there's a real protective kind of american basketball thing that lives out there, which is gonna, be anti anybody. But this is

so kind of the coronation, some other things you ve talked about taking the belt, so there's different groups through a people that didn't pay attention, people that did that didn't realize it questions I had about him. I mean what he is doing right now. Is so absurd that whatever that that lack of respect or lack of attention is it it's all gone, it's all going to be gone like that's. Also part of the reward of just winning a championship is That now you know you're not going to be a year ten or eleven of your career going yeah. It's pretty good and I know he's efficient, but, like you don't get to say about him, which is as great as the ring itself yeah. We see this happen football, sometimes away was my favorite one of these when he won that first superbum cuba, like ok it's a game where elway combos were that put them in the attic. Put him in a box. Put some tape over him and- and we're done I to me with the yogurt saying:

Some of it has to do with what's gonna happen next, because I do think this team is poised to this isn t a one your team, and I want to go into some of the stuff that I think people have missed a little bit about how good this nuggets team has been, but then the stats it's funny way the stats have got more complicated in basketball. You know the point per one hundred possessions, are the stuff we use that we like a pr. Can the wind shares the back of the box stats that, like there's a million of em, and it's funny how simple points assists and rebounds can be? You know where it's like. You know what really good metric points assists rebounds in a game. If somebody has a lot of those that always helps. I, like I always did that forty two club there's also a fifty club that I didn't even really think about before that. he's gonna be ended if they were in the files or even eat after basely. Go in the complete. Take the rest,

the way they have to lose but Russell did it four times wilt twice, but then you look at the other names and the west two thousand and eighteen lebron, which was an iconic lebron season right. It was just him and a bunch of role players nineties, seventy six doc julius last season. There be a karim on the box and resist him basically and nobody else and then westons five and urgent sixty two museum in that company, just with them simple stats. We haven't basketball and the impact that he has. I am right if he does start talking about him on that yeah. You know on that last level because I do think it's that special and over the one piece that was missing was: can you do it on the this stage. Can you a title doing it this way? It's a guy. We check those boxes tears. Now, I'm going to talk about and buried a magic and and bill walden, russell in the sixties, so, I think, was a way better passer than people realised and just these

Is rare, rare rare players edges elevate everybody around them, I'm ready for the congo. I don't think this is a fluke adding two seems gonna be here for the rest of decades. They're gonna be able to keep it together, and I think this is the beginning of june. Thing. Where do you stand on that piece of it? What's because yoke, it's like, I have seen some stuff where now, but you get sick. covering the same thing over and over and over again one of the new story angles like what can you do, and I saw a couple things about like how aaron Gordon was finally allowed to be who he needs to be in your like or explain where your catch phrase you know like yeah, it would have been cool if he was a ball handling small forward. He can create a little bit more offense for himself news that orlando, but it was pretty we there, despite what you had hoped he could evolve into your, like you know he kind of looks like a small five power forward. You know like that. That would be great, and you know Murray there'll be a push.

but wait Marie actually better than all the other point guards- and you know, look some of the most our stuff for murray and it's like what you got hurt and like he got hurt in the windows or you probably would have already been in an all star game. So you know sometimes there's weird paths and there's these these oddities of how you look and go. How can that guy Never have done this. Alright! Will you want to go through? It is like the rustle Wilson not having a first place envy people and you go out. That's crazy! You're, like it isn't, go through a year by year. It's not a big deal, So it sounds. The summary sounds offensive for murray. So what I would say like it's, not even about the rostrum bill. I agree with you. Ok, because yoke itches that special, if there's like one take away from this whole thing when I watch him I'll, go how many times and night do you watch yokel with the basketball or even without the basketball and say what the fuck is. He doing the answers that euro given is a turnover jacket background

I forgive you throw that away? Even staff is good for like two or three passes a night in a big spy we were like what are you? What were you thinking there or a reach in foul that doesn't make any sense yoke ej at this? At this point, would I watch I go? I don't know if he made a mistake tonight on top of unbelievable passing like all time, passing the defensive rebounding, which is somehow left out of the defence, a part of it, and I think everybody seeing look. You can be bad physically and athletic lee as a match up is it fender. But are you just smart enough to know where to kind of be? Can you just be big at times? I also think bam could go a little bit more, but pay I'm kind of doesn't want to go out, and so

no I'm not calling this guy a you know peak akeem here, but there's a little bit more to it, but all the other things worried it's like. Oh wait. That was a mistake. No, it wasn't like somebody else was supposed to do. Something. Was that a bad shot like how many times do you watch them or you actually think it's a bad shot? The only times I could think of, bad shot as if he turns down an open, free, throw jumper. Knowing that he's like, I am just going to go ahead and put it up on the rim, so this is this, is rhythm. He is in as a player where I'll try to find one from like oddity. Did he do that wrong? It almost doesn't happen. We'll remember that play was in the second, the game, for he got a rebound, miami has come back was one of the times of my aim is to come back and he got a rib through an outlet and as strong a duncan rabbits discharging forges, picks it off at MID court right and comes back in, and it was just a bad yogurt

but it was shocking cause was that he never does that with it did. He was robinson block teddy that see that it's it's crazy to watch that when somebody the last question them as well. Can you do this on the biggest stage and then he's like? No actually, not only am I gonna do it on the biggest stage, a mexican go up a tiny bit of a level guiding brought up the errand gordon piece of it cause? I had again garden, you know: there's real case back them to make a right now that what happened with and last year and whatever their gordon this year prison we're right. I was at that laker series. It looked a gourd. what kind of going sideways like he was afraid to shoot threes, the lakers left them wide open and one of the games. I went to their just like dude knock yourself out gimme, those our game. If there is a question of do they play a crime I think they actually bench them for part of the game for crunch time and then this series he had that kind of wigan sleep, but were woods cool about it?.

We have all these dudes that we talk about all the time and they balance there in the lottery they get drafted. They bounce around. There are they're talented. We know, oh this guy. They can do this. They can do this. Are they ever going to like kind of put it together and then sometimes in the playoffs that happens on the biggest stage? And they like it happened for wiggins last year was like oh, he gets it he's fucking re Adding oh he's posting up like this is, is playing with an intensity. I never imagined he would have then there's other times where you know it's harrison, barnes in the two thousand and sixteen finals, it's like. Oh, he doesn't get it or oh, he is, maybe he's not all the way there. I thought what was cool about the gordon thing. I think there's probably what twenty five twenty six teams it just never happens for him is good career, makes money, had dunk contest and is of a very good role player, but

ever happens, and now it feels like, like the light bulb, went off all these years later for him right, and that just doesn't happen that often I don't think so, but a kind of gets back to the original point of you know? How long is denver going to sustain this? In no way are we looking? the star like a real run here, and I've seen other pieces and I'm not even being dismissive of it. Works like this is this is proof of like perfect roster construction, which is hilarious, because we're praise the construction of a gm and tim calmly that still a year later, music. What the hell would you back? I do. I can imagine right, you know it's like it's, like Jordan play baseball you're going like wait. What am I saw? How much to talk about this dude and again, by the way the roster is a perfectly constructed either. Like they don't have a backup center and they stumbled into the christian brown thing rather than the finals but

We were playing like six guys to beat the lakers. You know so that that's another thing I feel like this roster next year could actually be even an even better roster of that jeepers brown right. You know and brown. They failed on the plate and double digit minutes game on against the lakers, and then it was like three minutes eight minutes and then didn't even play and ran. You know I think malone's getting so frustrated, Michael poor junior in this, but before we go off into these other areas of what the series in December team I dont think the nuggets are. I would not make the argument that this is an example of beautiful roster construction around a star. I would argue it's a star that always makes the ross reconstruction around you better and that's why they have a chance. It's not because of their six to seven guys. it's because of the one and then slash too, because no murray sad that three that he had in game three, when miami put together that eight or run yo yo catch is get the fao trouble. Honest

I couldn't believe how long the loan took to get him back in the game, because one yoke achieving ordered a risky. I thought it was wrong. Nobody's gonna care and I'll be forgotten. They won the game, it's not a big deal. I thought Where is the broadcast, his brain around like seven or some minutes left goes: where would you guys do and green kind of leaning towards you. Gotta be careful here, marked jackson was like hey, they have the lead. So who cares I'm at home going ever? possession without him is a possession you you you've, you taken a neon already like for, if he fouls out, then he forces you to miss the remaining possessions, but every possession your letting them play without him is a decision that you're making is the head coach, and so it felt like brain and then specifically, Jackson were totally okay with it and we gotta there's a pause and he goes again right back in their rights

yeah, because again I agreed with him, but this is something you're, always good on, because I dunno how much you want to talk about a game. Three scott foster freak our game for writing for game on sorry, game four and I think yolk it's a smart enough and I also don't think that they were going to be in a hurry to get mischief through. Considering how bullshit fouls four and five were. While this is goes back to the. regional argument of over of wet weather yoke has arrived. Yet I tell you has arrived from an officiating standpoint because at any point from two thousand and twelve to two thousand and eighteen, if lebron had four fowls, he would not have had their fifth alcohol denat just period in a four in a fourth finals game up to one and a serious, it never happens ever it doesn't happen, curry it does nap with Kogi. If we go backwards, I don't think it happens with duncan anybody by the way it if you're, if you're the best,

and the way again we agree or the best part in the leg you do get shot with a slightly different level? Respect? That's the way the league works and I like it and I'm ok with it Michael Britain was denver, like oh, a member game for the finals when he got his fifth row, because somebody flapped with eleven minutes left that conversations never happened, because the situation never happened. So the fact that yoga was treated like that makes me think, like oh he's, actually hasn't arrived yet because that was fucked, bullshit, also scarf foster, who you know has been in a lot of begins, but he's the only refuge. Call that that was a fuckin look at me ass. He was so ready to call the fiscal and it made me so mad of serbs at jury duty this? Is a good game? No cause. There's been a lot of on the who showed up to the wedding for nephew cloud who didn't and we ve got bill. Tweeting, just mother, fucking scott fast

during the wedding ceremony, fare rather had a drink or two, but, like that's a that's a joke, that's a joke when that's the best guy in the league, you can't just look for dumb reasons and also like. I really think if you want to make the league better, let's fix the flopping stuff next isn't right we're fact we always that there is Adam silver's, always talks a big game. I want to make the league better. We can do this. We do that. Let's fix the flopping stuff nap, because it's out of control my aim is great at it and they should be doing as it works, but you should be able to view it. It should be a technical fao there could be some patently because we were saying this for the last couple years with the following on a fast break thing: we're like this sucks. We hate this and then they fixed it. They gonna fix the fuckin thing. I hate it bam Bam lurch backwards like he was shot. right yoga and she's just putting his arm back, but I I just hate it anyway. It goes back to the point that, if you're still getting the

kind of cars than you have not arrived as a superstar, regardless of where you're performances yeah. Maybe me I mean. Maybe it's just a bad call too. I know it, but it was iirc, there was a really weird stretch there, where it's three calls in a row against denver. There was the one on the gordon play yeah on this, and I was like up what going on here and then even without that, and then they have the lead- and I just was like I would- who cares, get him back out there, because you have to think foster, maybe takes a look at it or somebody else. Talks to him was like that one was that was all bam like he fell for it I think foster had at the baseline too, so he sought from behind. So that's seeing dam go back and we've already probably spent too much time on this one. You said they get revenge. The next game, they'll get revenge on that stuff. They'll do quick was oh and they'll be like that site that should not work in this game. We need you mention the guarded thing in the basically something

concept of somebody winning a lottery when they join a team. I do think that should be considered when we're talking about the greatest players ever like your magic steam, and he knew how to hit run. The four you fuckin hit the lottery. If you are on birds team caught, move you on the lottery, we haven't had a lotta when the lottery guys lately right. It's it's it's this twenty first century! That's why I've searched in here arenas, kind of despair. And yoga. John J, J and time is bad- you know exists, I just on the ito he still doesn't get. The style is like he's used to, like the kobe version of how basketball player, which I think, a lot of people. but that style is also you're. Gonna have to fade around what I do ray and I think even survey like Leubronn has been guilty. That some degree is like your dreams.

It takes away like Heaven moments a year and have to be a corner three guy for me and that's what we need for the team like it sees moving pieces around to fit what he does, whereas I dont see that, with with yoke edge, I feel like he could play with any type of where, in the huge just make it work. My ever think. Unless you make an office I really push back on the thing. Think as we were talking about our mcgowan. How long is this list not just who can win a title because, like theirs in it as an argument to be made about, like honest mean needing to be set up. I think the biggest straw

but I always had with the envied yogurt thing or maybe I should never have said I had to struggle with it cause. I I don't think deep down. I ever believed that imbued was better than yogesh and we're not talking about the Mvp vote, but it was always. Can you take control of a possession and create an opportunity on your own and and beat it still, some body that needs to know maybe be put in position and then once it's on him? It's not like he's it'd, be like he's just a different player. I thought I don't want to, but if we're talking about like the best single guy at doing this in the world, I think Steph is in that group of whenever you go play with him, unless you're a lottery pick, ah your life should be easier as our he did there right. I think that might I think I think, Stephanie a certain type of guys, though I I think

there are still needs the bam dream on type of somebody to play off of guy ok, but everybody needs like one big guy out there. So that's I I've we're talking about the list of guys. I would push back on the broad. That's why I was making the face because sure I get time once he's kind of done, with the almost like a tom Brady, do a receiver thing. We're like this is a dynamic affairs and about your this. Your disguised done with me and now I'm shot. There's deftly some of that, but if your good, if you're good life is easier with lebron gonna want to hear about. Chris Bosh is shot attempts being down because they won those games. Michael bron figure out a way. So I, with the one I'm with you, am I m elaborate. I think tat. I think that as bush in the last couple years- him he was very I use the calm like queen of the chessboard. He I don't get this version lebron at it. It's too hard to say he's been the league for twenty years, but look if, if yoga, Chad a westbrook, that's not going to work either that mean the things

I would say that's right about precisely where westbrook west gregoire, let's go, let's go. Let's take that the other way westbrook would be like the guy going. If you want me to show up into a one on zero work out before the draft you guys, germans of down well be a kind of science experiment could yokul make westbrook work maybe out of energy. What is now but yet so I mean there's still some stuff that it be nice like hate you, I have a shot, do you have a shot and that's the part where denver deserves a lot of credit for figuring it all out? Like look as bad as Michael porter, Jr has been in the series he lit it up in the previous three rounds, bruce brown, not only as a shooter. Her is a really good cutter. He also can survive when things breakdown, dribble you in and out of something the christian brown stuff, where he's actually putting it on the floor and driving? It's not just cut one durable and in or take a shy. I could assertion that he's handling it and murray is you know, because he's not as quick and dine

amec, maybe it's some of the like the really premier point guards we've seen, but that guy gets loose. He gets space for himself on every one of those gerbils. So I still think Yogesh because of his passing like a lebron. Is you can't just put him out there with lake he can't play with for pat bevs right? So that's where again back to the whole list of it's a lottery ticket to play with these guys. Lebron to me is still on that list of of what is not even a double digit list of players. Is that fair? I think you're now I think you're right and that that's fair. I wouldn't have him he'd, be on second team ma ba for that less for me, because we saw him struggle with certain guys. Is there anyone else cause, then this could veer into hey this guy's really good list which is whatnot, which is not the purpose of what we're talking about. I I like new jersey, kid you could have basically thrown any four guys with them and he could have won fifty games that he hit that stretch for two years. Maybe the league was a little weaker

and nash in the mid two thousand same thing give em like two shooters and one guy to point the offensive on big man who he could do pickerell you. He could have made anything work so that its its, I think, a tiny bit bigger list. And were giving given credit for, but it's nada, not a large list right, yet it it's not a large list, because it's not just hey this guy. is really good, which is always kind of funny about gilbert arenas too. I love having on by the way okay yeah, but I'd kind of axis of the original yoko stuff. He seems to be a bit more protective of the american players like we just had this guy dog and janis. I mean his timing as a given this, I can't believe he's not at first take more because his timing of dogging the guy was like at the top of the mountain.

words, and so I think that probably some people listen to this, where you know if Yogesh bulls are soften, the whole thing it's going to be like our illnesses is allowed to be nice not allowed now to be in the conversation with yoga, which I think is an overreaction in a bit unfair, but clearly, there's more yoga. She can do offensively with his team, but it's I think, dismissive of who Jonas has become as a passer. I think Jan is actually really good. Passer he's just nobody's yogesh work or Talking about like all time stuff, as already mentioned katie, I don't I dunno. If katie is an elevator like these guys, but is a guy that can move into any sort of offense and and figure out how to fit in yeah. That's what I've always liked about katie and why I had higher hopes for phoenix. Is that he's the rare super? Our doesn't disrupt literally everything else, your doing but yeah all honesty. I felt like what he and booker was just two guys trying to survive against a team. That's going to win a title and now an announcement in

oh shit, we should mention this. Conversation is t mac cause like that rockets. Twenty two im winning streak that they had and the pieces that he was playing I just felt like he could have thrown anyone with t mac at that point of his career, and you could have been a fifty win team. Let's take a break and then, let's not though hold hold up real quick. I want to just hammer your jason kidd point here because the previous year, ah with phoenix with kid for the full season, they went fifty one and thirty one yeah he's he's gone. They go. Ah, I think they had thirty four wins.

The nets went from twenty six and fifty six to fifty two and thirty so you're doing something right. You do. I don't want to say Chris Paul, but it's it's hits like that. I'm glad you brought up kid because that's a can and yes, we could talk about like some of the other moving parts. But if you look at two specific franchises, you know in that trade was was a weird trade for a bunch of different reasons, but like to see that kind of jump in wins and then the other team goes to the camp lately opposite direction. I guess you're doing something right. Maybe this is a longer less keziah. Katy did that for the south x in those seven or eight duncan, did that his whole career elevators. I guess the slate and Leubronn you know a year after year was the guaranteed fifty plus whence I guess what I was thinking of what was just more the concept of a prayer who is able to change.

Teammates destinies from where their careers should have gone to wear a wenches because they passed through the guys life for fear. Like Can I get them out like mangled baron right, like Michael cooper, I think I'd I'd excrement offer that lead phase and the kings for seven years than he goes over its leg. You know the jazz report I don't even remember him but he's with magic he's like the perfect guy to put with magic. He can hit threes. He runs the floor. He plays the king guard, the best guy in the other team and just fits with magic right. I just I was laughing at the idea as I got integrated into Michael cooper, who started this but you're you're right too, because I I'm an agreement like this should be a very, very short list. So you know k g right. We both understand

what he meant by how ones he walked in the door. He almost elevates the intensity and the over. I something about a team that eta, I dont, and maybe he changed the destiny of symbolic perkins with the oft court stuff, but yet with the le brand thing like, I just I guess for me that it's the cabin love peace, that I can't shake with the le brand thing where it's like that guy was at twenty five and twelve and he went on the cavs and was just a fucking mess and his like, but that doesn't make sense cause. I don't feel like if you went on yoga just you would not turn into a mess or if you want a magic steam. It's very red light. Maurice Lucas struggled our magic seemed like they, it's not like he was batting a thousand, but I, but that there were guys that weren't, like perfect, fits with lebron with kobe, with whoever. Anyway, let's take a break, I had more stuff to throw you Some of them

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what, if you're a soccer paranoid the weekends make those long trips to the field star shoppy now carmen that calm, climax carbine, we imagine says they get about murray's, two thousand twenty three play out and how good he's been I mess around with the triadic, where wearing some sort of trade value, then next Friday night, but mr at the less than he was one of the guys that was just higher than I expected, and thus his play offs make you rethink the twenty one and twenty two plan set off because you think like when he got hurt traded for gordon there ain't? No, that season was pretty weird we ended up with the sun's bucks? Fine us right with, as it does happen, we're like this is weird and nervous post pandemic. It seemed kind of fear. that it was a weird finals than last year. We end up with is really weird celtics, worse files, where the south seem dead

couple times the warriors seem like baby. You know we're go and sideways them if necessary and I don't even think, really found themselves until the finals in some ways, the some weird injury, stuff endeavour, when the injuries- but now I looked back, it's like if that injury doesn't happen with denver of got one before twenty three, because they had most of the pieces. Now that yourselves how important bruce brown and jeff green and kcp rope where's that they didn't totally af, but those two playoffs are so weird: maybe they get one like? What do you think I gone backwards in your head yeah cause the other part of it being new. Is that really all we had to look at here? Were you know the denver series they was going in the wrong direction right, it's a four one loss of western comforts finals in the bubble, twenty one it son

and for guy and then golden state just runs him off the floor last year, but that was a six seat team, so maybe last year, maybe last year and healthy because boston wasn't some nasty team last year now right there good right, I don't think golden state. I think that story was oh, my these guys, did it not o the inevitable, was completed so we're on the signing of a shocking title a year later, like that they had a couple of points in that met. The series where I really I thought, like maybe the hall Era was gonna, be over and then they are they re back that that bubble. Title are, though, the bubble that lakers now get serious back cause. I was like man, I remember the lakers like they really kind handle them and you go back in the the players on both sides in a completely different nuggets seem like mill sap as the gordon on that to him, and he is basically washed at that point.

now, as it was a pretty young marinas pretty young marine is it was a laker steam throw and not just a day, but Dwight howard's hours in alaska moment and the brown it's on the size and then they went forward. But it was decisive in they just said that better roper's, a better everything so a year later? I don't know when you add gordon too, that you ve basically flip mill, sap and gordon. It is a big difference. I'm so last year I would tell you healthy sure, sure, but nice I dont know I felt it yeah, but I still think that you you're coming off. I feel like you're discrediting the phoenix in Milwaukee a little bit cause. I thought those teams are really good in denver, might not be ready, or maybe I'm still thinking about the year prior, where it looked like ella was just at a different level. Maybe it's the playoff history thing that we both grew up with, where you get to go and get scars and then it kind of felt like he got away from that. A little bit so was like you know, cause dude. I swear it guys older than us they're talking about it's like you know, there's pistons had I go to the celtics and emulate do we

heard this analogy a thousand times late at night. It's not I laugh, but as it pertains to Denver, I also think that there is real defensive stuff against phoenix and then golden state with yolk hitch, and you don't even have to listen to me, it's just stuff of just bullshit and with guys at work for teams really hey. What do you think of this? What do you think of that? What are they that was always a constant thing with your coach, it's like, if he's your defensive anchor, do they have to try something different, but I I think the cool thing about this team now and in despite again polar junior having issues where it doesn't even feel like Malone, trust them anymore and nobody's going to talk about his defense first, as somebody told me twenty years ago, when I went to the portsmouth invitational tournament, we are in the height business. We are in the height business. That is what the n b a and in our obsession with small ball stuff that started like fourteen and fifteen and how much fund it is in times we are like.

Maybe the smart thing was just haiti, what the five best basketball players out there. I think that gordon porter junior yokel front line is an example of like just being big at certain spot still can be a massive advantage for things you could fill in the leg or sectors, their size, seemed important as bad as it says, went along. I my thing is: you know miami those, maybe miami, obviously that counting at the zombies they might go. Twenty four before and threes tomorrow, night, not settle we're going back to my me for game. Six were I'm with you. I ve almost feel disrespectful word this long into. It yeah right of ugandan marionette earlier yeah, that kind of them out and their head is child. Often until their head is chopped, averages rolling down the aisle somewhere, but I do think danvers better and I think ever knows it's better, and that was a feeling I got watching them to get

what they got through with that yoke. It's foul trouble thing and still and still pull that game out. That's the kind of moment we're like alright, let's now, let's go home and finish this off, that he got the equal thing. They got the foul trouble thing and it still was like no way, man right in the guys that I kept wondering when they're going to come back to earth, and I thought it would happen in the boston series. It's now have nothing like you mean the barn being eleven for fifteen and game, seven against boston, then eleven for thirty one in the fine us, if they really some like that, work: there are the losers being five for twenty six from three in the final slick at that example, maybe how bad how mad this here's. The thing I am I may have read about this: there's some boston threads reminded I've. Police can it'll leave me off them, but I ah probably just avoided like you paid up front. Instead of putting your in late, I'm kills boston days, they fucking, but we said that during the

was the miami series that was going to wax these teams, and you know, but that gone back to the er, the murray thing for a second, I was thinking about kind of the. What, if injuries? I did a footnote title. I think a title com like two thousand and twelve, but just like recent ones, you know like. Let me ask you this so let's say clay gets her god forbid in march of two thousand fifteen before the warriors, when that title re engages out for the rest, the to that the implants and then the entirety that sixteen season we don't get it does fitting title from the warriors I don't get the seventy three win warriors like the axis of the game, tilts a little bit and it seems extreme, but I don't think it's an extreme example because yolk, it's just a good and he's been that good for the last couple years, new basically wiped out his second best teammate theirs.

but other ones it is compliant. Twenty one, I think, is a really big recent, whatever injury him going down, and he did that they might have just had the best team you now feeling sends up get by the coopers next around katy and two thousand and eighteen. I just think that's that foots the title, sorry raptors fans, but I think, if Katie's healthy, I know I just don't think they when the title cagey in two thousand nine and then the other one. That is never mentioned that just gets lost in history, because there's no san antonio media mafia, like there is near mainly mafia, but duncan one in to ninety nine and miss the entire two thousand plavsic games, seventy eighty tourism in this, and then you get a chance to defend the title they lost around one and to me, that's a big whatever, because as good that lakers team was there

antonia- and that was the quite a lot like the obeyed. Celtics rose like oh, my god with awe, and it was just like walking on broken glass to get to where they needed to get too, and they were, a debatable in portland, almost benin and sanitation. is there any chance, but I just think that would have been a really hard series. So I think those are the big ones, but then you could go corps, I read that fifteen rose into. Does twelve marino? Six carmen no, for if you wanna go there and then turkey, no three, I think, were kind of the big dreams, but I'd never considered murray to be that big of an injury. But now I do, if I may say so, I did You agree with that arm over acted, I still don't you know,

and here again now I mean he missed. They lost in five and twenty. He doesn't play in the playoffs in the portland win right, the seven game series that was back and forth and at that point I kind of felt like denver, was closer to portland a lot of people. A lot of people pick portland. I think more people pick portland in that series and twenty one That's the somebody's orbit. He gets hurt march twenty one I think, or early april yeah you're right. It's it's like twenty games left this season. So it's done. He swept up so he doesn't play. I don't think denver was good enough to beat phoenix that year with murray. Now you want to tell me murray, Last year with Yogesh I mean that was kind of the other pouring of of like loving denver that much they give you think of them as a succeed that season. When I just really think there's much of an argument,

out and bp here- are the minutes per game leaders, as this is great. It's the three guys murray yoke, ich porter that its will barton Gary Harris, austin rivers an airing. Gordon comes over twenty five games. Mani morris composite will most annoying fuckin players of all time Fiji dodger, who I know you gonna, have an affinity for twenty times I haven't given up at all. Sap play twenty one minutes. A game you Michael green play, twenty minutes Zeke nazis coming up it's so there's you go through that team. Considering on it, do that twenty two nuggets money minutes later cassettes, my favorite. We are way I'd worry about whether yoga should be there.

Wait. You know what you're right it's worse its work, as I just did, the twenty one team, china to end twenty one was in my gun. Believe book as married goes out doubt unwanted twenty two's way, worse, so the twenty two's, the example I should have used. I'm glad you said that we'll barton sexual yoke is it thirty, three and a half minutes a game that its will, thirty, two aaron Gordon a thirty two money morris at thirty, like a poor junior third Jeff green at twenty five access teams. Awesome austin reefs sees me austin rivers, us reason. Team. Twenty two bones: highland nineteen. Does your again nineteen composite eighteen, Bryn forbes by seventy missy game there, twenty two guys get minutes form. It was just ramble and you are like this team look at their office of numbers which has got to where we started the entire podcast look at the office of numbers. I think that denver team-

I'll. Have it here offensive efficiency? They were still. Sixth, that was the sixth most efficient offense in the n b, a that season and that's why? What we're seeing today is for those of us that, like the ridge dinner like what are you guys talking about like? Do you realize what he's doing and who is doing it with tough beat for bone silent his legacy while its bones, big guy, you couldn't play with the ok she's like you know that I can cut the way I want to understand, with with the most skilled, playback, etc it forty five years are now as just that work for me, guys can be sent me out here, thanks, so damper being underrated as a potential chip was on my bingo card.

how many times in the last fifteen years do you think we ve at a time when the finals and lose for games or less now, that's a long list. Eight now. The two does. Seventeen warriors went sixteen in one and we're done wait for what are we talking about, so you not including the sixers nonsense. I said last fifteen years, all last fifteen years a year. Acres was good for if it was longer bay. I was stage one worse, I know I would have voted. Yes, I thought you rose. having I'd is worse o seven spurs sixteen of four.

Oh to no one lakers sixteen in former times and then the ninety nine spurs fifteen into that she's pre, m, J, R, post m j history- and I have been a few more time, so we got in there that fifteen win era like bulls with jordan. Did it four times eighty nine pistons, eighty seven lakers, eighty six celts, eighty five lakers but fifteen whence to do it, but my point as sixteen and four in the playoffs, especially with the three point variants, nothing. You know, and you could say they played a playing team in the finals and the you know the you know I I dunno I thought the teams they played were pretty good. I think the lakers now it down and anger. The zombies dissolve is going to put this on their whiteboard. Add at the lakers were the second best team in the lake in the plants and I think it was sweep in them

I don't feel like that series was necessarily a sweep. All those games were good, like they just kind of out executed them late, but that series easily could have gone. Six games like it came down to a couple, plays each game and I think that lakers team, as good as lebron, played well. he just then she threes I well, but he played well. I can't a real impact that fella Davis was about as good as we ve seen him in a play officers and reads Excellent you now and they got like the ray Maria games, that that the team is pretty good like fur of fur of fire, a semi,

Anna's loser basically at that they were on the higher end compared to some of the some of the teams. We've had like that two thousand nineteen blazers team and shit like that and that that was a good team, really competitive sweep series. It was yeah. I don't have a counter to that. I agree with, but I do think there could be if I wanted to do this like if I didn't like Denver right like viola equity on the yoke it sucks fund, you know when I would go on CNBC and be like we still like our position. Oh I liked, I think highways are still the future you're like. Ok, you could go all right. Minnesota stinks, you go! No, I'm just I I'm saying what I would do if I made up shit, went on t v, all the time. Ah, you go, lakers were really hall, they reinvented themselves. You know phoenix was new. Who may fiery disclosure? He was a very good and then think about with a to cede was it was memphis

it was a mess and sacramento was only a three seed because everybody else is a mess and the clippers everybody got hurt and golden state was weird, and you know you just go on down the list and go that I would if somebody said this: hey the west was really weird. Here that, as an average, adds fair yet right, but I dont want to say it is. It feels dismissive of denver and I dont want to be dismissive of timber, but I thought there road was prepared, would think about. They were even aids in the phoenix sir sphinx was favoured, and the booker durrant thing for a really scared of, in those guys play great in the first four games that serious you now that the lakers played really well for a ferreting. That's got swept. That was not like. Oh my god, that was an ass kicking, so you're, saying the zag would be dead, Gets went on Monday and then Maybe J Williams goes in the first take on due and tuesday and does the I don't know they played

like sure you won the title, but who would you be? Did she beat yannis? You didn't play and bead that big exact submission try that one. I think I would just like. Whatever whatever anybody says about it is that it should be something. That's incubator, fair to scale fair you getting a bit that take the scale I feel like We have had this list of resonated versus dinner, resonate stars. The best hydro, gas. The reason this is this: is it

used a pot, and this is why I think we're awful after team wins a title. It's like did yoke its past bird. Somebody get that when you too have right yoke. It's fucking amazing he's gonna have to do this flick a bunch more years. He's gonna have probably a sec. the title in there for some of the rarefied air. These can be comp to worry about this. What needs to happen next for rio? Kitch, like two more titles yeah, you know like those are the rules, but then you know of what a team that won fifty three games this year, we like to start a dynasty like that's my dynasty, Joe. After every single championship? Look, I don't know I could see you enjoyed by the west. as you are aware, the worst go had is yoke is so fond of play where that it becomes a Tom Brady paid manning,

we're guys near the end of their career, like that guy guy, alright I'll do the one for one year, two million I'll be iberia, guy, sanskrit and, and they end up with two extra guys, their their that this happens with some of the great teams over the years. I swear that you know we even saw with Duncan people are going to san antonio to go play with Duncan because they thought it was their best chance to to win something, and I wonder, could that happen right. I wonder if that lower middle class of nb a player yet because we're still in the the beginning of the prime yoke of stuff right, twenty eight is there, this weird market of you know, talk about CBS stuff. It are you gonna have more of these players to select from if you're a contender, because the monies gone, there's no middle class. So it's like cool bum. Lamb

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and then I'm gonna. Let you decide and dirk. I had him on the list because I think dirk and two thousand eleven and people liked watching them- and I do feel like dirt conor crossed crossed over the foreign player thresholds into people like fuckin like that guy. But I don't know, I don't know if he belongs about. Maybe he's like red on the french, if he's waiting outside with dormant that that ring for him may have been the single most important ring to it: player and always thought of this century, but will plus he appended the hall. The decision, the heat of that whole thing and the kind of america was rooting for him because they just didn't want the the heat to get an easy title. Re cough video, the coffee or turn the tide for him. When lebron and wade were coughing in the tunnel. Pretending they're, like oh yogurt or yogurt turkish, is sick there, but because dirk

was the other weird thing I dunno I forget who it was was a dream on. Somebody was like. Oh all, the international players like it passed way harder on the mba guys, which again kind of speaks some of this. This pushback and I've always felt too like when an international guy kind of gets into it with an american guy. It's like I better, like you can't you can't. Let anybody think that you're not willing to like square off with the international guy ramming. I think Garnett got a couple of dudes retire dislike. I hope I get deported so awesome, the the dirk it's very easy to look back at it all and say, like everybody loved her, like I dunno, I remember, everybody called him some pretty nasty stuff because he was like this pioneer of this were international generation of like you can manage it right. You can't trust these guys are all kind of soft. I mean that was like ok to actually

say on the air with nobody. Nobody got upset with you about it, but there I saw a tweet, then just allow me to kind of get there like. I saw a tweet that was talking about olympic sports right and it was. There was some some proposal. I don't even remember what the proposal was, but it was writer and it was like the whole concept of rooting for countries is fucking, stupid anyway, a nationalistic or whatever else ago. Okay, here we go. I did not follow this writer. I know that he was shocked, as you can't understand, just the simple concept of like the high school kid from your town that gets at diwan offer, especially when you're from where we're from in the northeast and you're like wait so and so's getting a look like there is a kid who played at my highschool that ended up at holy cross and it was like the biggest deal ever then from marthas vineyard ended up at wholly cross. As you understand, you know, yes airs so there's a connection to

Something that feels like its familiar to use a weather, that's the kid from high school. They gets the d1 offer or the kid from the town or the guy that played against your kid. That now is like invited Summer league and then on and on and on if we leave those principles. Can we all? also understand that the counter to that is that yoke ich who, by the way, does not improve

waste this spotlight at all dark enjoyed it way more than yolk ich. Does he then, as much as that feels genuine with yolk? I hope it is. People will tell you this is exactly how is he really doesn't care about a ton of this other stuff, and you know we. We can maybe be too praising of that at times, but when you're winning and it works and then every cigar, he really really gets it. He doesn't care about anything. You know ah, but he's a guy from serbia that no one can believe is actually this good. I don't think it's crazy to try to understand that disconnect. You know that that player like will, he ever resonate the way. Somebody else would, I think, baseball. Has this issue with a tawny were like what else can this dude I'm gonna wrap this up?

and is it like that kid? The reds brought up the other day. Oh de la cruz, there was two clips. I was like this guy. This is the basic guy. I've ever said, I'm all into that guy and I dunno some people just jump off the computer. The tv and ohtani should have chinese certain The scares gather excise go against every year, but willing to give up on our tiny cause. I think if he's dodgers or yankees, he becomes a giant thing. I just think he's on the run to him and like about where you can be at any time and you're. Ok, I don't know no, you gotta be in an apple ovarian gotta, be in play off psyches. We have seen in the play ass ever his greatest moment was the world baseball championships. You know which nobody cared about, and it was great this year. It might be more of a baseball issue for him, but you

it's civic too, because you know, I think this kind of veers in as some topics were like wait. Can we talk about this as adults have like what resonates with people? And you know some people in the past have gotten in trouble talking about the the disconnect from ohtani yeah. But yet I think you could talk about it with yolk hitch and I don't think you'd ever get into trouble talking about it, but I I just think it's like his yoke. It's somebody that kids that grow up playing basketball all over this country are they going to go. I mean when he plays the game perfectly, as we've already covered. Is there still too much of a gap on just being a foreign guy, the accent not really embracing the spotlight that he can't he can be the best player in the world, but resonate less than the other ones cause. I think people like janis, more than yogesh and embiid. Definitely

beat was so here's than that didn't, never totally resonated list assuming yoke edge, wins the final seize on it. I dont think ganis as much as much as people like him. I don't think he's there yet from a resonating, superstar standpoint I just don't duncan deftly, never got there ever which again maybe like yoke edge. He preferred he did pursue it. All he wants to do is when titles be a great teammate and could give a shit anything else and now to his detriment, because as the years pass now, it's like was car milan better. And TIM duncan and now now we're going to enter that whole world have to see that similar discussion. Did you just make that up to emphasize the analogy, or did you actually see that somewhere? I'm sure it'll happen at some point, you can make a statistical argument that malone was a better player. You could use like all these advanced stats. I'd say Bob Pettit, Pettit, that's good stats and

I think I came- was like this a key moment and everywhere in the league for two years and is one of the twelve esper as ever and is the most underpaid superstar with ever had he noting at no you're right about a keen I feel like every year. I should just do a documentary like an audio book thing on him for thirty minutes, because he is He's the most under any player and mba history for me a game. What then number two underrated. Player in nba. History is Moses Malone who is also on this list, but came past Moses for me, cause I used to protect the Moses stuff, but after a game, pass them right and then the last one was Isaiah time as two people just didn't like because As you know, he was the jordan foil and it was the Jordan rose and pistons agenda and everybody love jordan. But given people like celtic fans of jordan, like I in college, I had jordan posters like that. So much. We love Jordan and, as air was in his way and people in praise Isaiah. They didn't like him there

appreciate what he did. They appreciate sacrifices. He made that impression, but a leader who was an and he's on that list. For me, I've never been the list more, I'm serious like in order in order all three names like at least as far as my n b, a watching lifetime. Those would be the three most underrated players, but so here's that list, then for you yoke, is that he Eddie needs one more yacht us who now, if you only winds, one title and we go twenty years from now people- like he won the title after the bubble and they'll start like figuring out ways to undermine me, not even a bubble title a post bubble, title yeah, that's not fair. The nets, the best that knows that was hard so ass to existing are living at our main ally on this later now that say it up, they would it. I just feel like that's. As the years pass, people start nit picking it. There were duncan. So you're stuck in her came Moses Isaiah and then I feel like

we gotta hast be adjacent. This list, even though I think every when agrees cream is one tat. Four players ever ease actually somehow underrated. Marginals crazy, he's its like he's actually underrated is he had the greatest basketball career of our time and so What lebron is doing now is one of the great college bars ever. He had one of the tour or three that big careers ever here most of the records you care about is close to them. He has most is the most rings of any non celtic, and I I don't know I think, but you know he had the guy Wasn't exactly is personally look. I was you got five now. Let's get sex has six yeah

if five with the lakers sound he had. Ah, then he had the one with the bucks, yeah I'll admit. I, because I only watched the end of his career all those years. So I was letters when most people started whatcha basket by day. I've I've underrated him. Until I had to just stop? You know when I was younger, even when I was on the air, I remember, being at a pre show meeting once and the guy was like, you know, how would you build at your starting five? I actually think was a first take pre, show meeting scheduled me aside and was like whatever you do out there like. I was about. I get no, but it would give me about seven or eight minutes and then we'll get to you that faith. You would have thought I was going in to fight a bear that had just lost its entire family as a hideous tv right. We're gonna be fine nor about, but there appreciate meeting and we were going through like build your starting five and ah.

I remember one of the producers like how can you leave kareem off and I was like I'll just leave them off like what are you high? Yet you know, and he was older, and I regret that answer, and I get the accusation that he was high. That's funny and creams on the list. cream is amazing. Karim was probably his own worst enemy of the staff cause. He didn't exactly play the press game and in the seventies and eighties that came back to iowa and it's funny now cause he. He couldn't be more like willing to do you wrote a kindly got only the vast staring at the gazelle writer I love career. Cream, media media cream and now is great, but in the seventies chimera I did a column where he interviewed his back, because cream would ever turn around to the reporters that that's that's how unfriendly he was to reporters and it cost him he can

with us years ago. Man and we got because it was like the lead up- was hey. You don't really know what you're going to get. He want 'em and I was like yeah it's screen will take. 'em will take the phone or it's not going to ruin our day rea and he came on and he was so good and he didn't know us. I mean maybe He probably knew scott because he'd watch Scott, but I remember him being like hey man like I had a hard time being tall was weird and it made me weird and- and he was like laughing about it, and it was it's kind of cool man. I think for guys that are that big of a deal that are comfortable with all that kind of attention to get to a peace with themselves in their lives were then they can kind of like chuckle about something that may seem so insignificant. But can you imagine him admitting that to us now in going back and thinking about embassies, youngest dude rear, like you're the best will in the world, and yet you sort of like just freaked out because people

look at you when you go to the bookstore, I don't I see. I never forget that answer. I loved it. While he wrote giant steps which a ladder that book was about his I struggle with just standing out. You know cause, especially in the seventies and eighties, when a when you're doing you know they had no charters back then they're flying coach sometimes or connect things there in airports. All the time and just think what that guy's life was like you play basketball and just like his life, fuckin furor over some fee life sucked just people, Are you going? Are you you're like a fuckin? You know like an oddity to them. Yet, to see other think too is like I liked the six years first, so my father would just be he's like every year at celtics. Lakers eager you're such a loser. It like what are you not allowing yourself to pick aside here and then you'd have heintz in just like openly route

against Karim and when your little kid it's really framing the way you think these dudes it's in saying that they lead Hansen and do national games yeah. It's really like actually crazy. What's the equivalent of that today? Is there one? I don't think so! Is there? What would it be? It would be like laval All the charlotte hornets against somebody else define us yet what right, but it has to be a t t like hoard, the hornets or in the fire finals. Lavoro ball that second guy in the booth. That's what it was like for. Those of you go back and watch on the eu to isn't there something for it was one of the lakers games. They just destroyed boston, you know there's so much history and there I don't know if it's the boston massacre. One or what but heights- and I dont know if this

it's true. I came out, I read it came after the massacre, they kill them right, yeah game after the massacre which just spoke to wear the seems. Rather, you could have this thing that we are all thinking today's media world. The cycle would have been for two days like their done. There done there don and that's how good those teams were that they could mentally get pass out whatever, but I think there's some part of it were hide sinister getting destroyed is like. I can't tell you enough about what kind of respect as for them battling still, it was like he is a dad. Is nice cause yeah right right right? I dunno myisam. I have a two more quick nuggets things and there's only been eleven teams since nineteen eighty three who, one the fires are ten times that won the fires that a margin of victory over eight. They would be the eleventh if they win the fifty five percent from two point: thirty, seven percent from three point club

it's only been for the twenty two warriors: seventeen wheres twenty three nuggets and eighty five lakers the nuggets or fifty five percent on two points. Thirty eight point: five percent on threes: They also issued eighty plus firma free, throw only the twenty three were seventeen worse than that. I'm just brain this up, because I think they get enough credit for how awesome of an offensive team there. I don't think there thought that I don't think they're regarded like when I said we set out to you at the gun. This part that at that there are the best he had seen a person of five years and desolation, a couple of people in my life you pushed back low back of people in my life are like whoa. I can't believe you said that about the nuggets agonist that on him, like I, I just know how I felt watching them. I felt like I loved all the decisions they made offensively. They got great shots, they hit threes.

I just feel like the thing that they're really good at they're, better than anything I've seen in the last five years since that seventy warriors team- I guess it's six years now and the team warriors could get there, but the seventeen wearers were just spectacular, but I don't think they get enough credit for what they're doing as part of its us were bad with new anything anytime during their back, I don't think they're good enough. Credit is like one of my least favorite radio podcast segments, but I just don't think people think of them in that classes is my points are interrupted. You know, that's fine cause, but but don't you think it kind of gets back to like how many times have you watch a team that hasn't won and you've gone. That is a special special group. It might be. are four times for me ever in forty years of watching. It said it wasn't the case with the fifteen warriors when that happened. Right now is basically the start of a little semi dynasty, but when they won, we weren't like holy shit. The warriors like we were like wow. What would happen if kyrie had played like we had all these?

I quite like Zagat, all the mvp curry, with all these questions yeah but formats that mvp thing was stupid, then now and dumber. Now, ah, but they also, they kind of you know. Did they rope a dope is a bit that last month had they once I declare James had they want sixty games in yoke achieve finishes with, same flurry, even though the numbers it's like, oh yeah, you know them the key? I don't think really matters about like a wow. He would have looked at him as a team, but now they hadn't had recent playoffs their most recent playoff success was a five game series loss in the bubble and then murray misses the next two. So you don't know what to do with them. They were succeed two seasons ago. They were below five hundred on the road this year. So if you see it by watching 'em credit to you, but there's a couple things there, they were average on defense again this year

where I mean do you remember what statistically, what phoenix was at last season remember when he finally did like hey? Are you guys paying attention to like what phoenix has been doing this year? That was a fun week that is fun week for you, I like to add way more fun that week than that sunday pod, where you just had me on after game, seven against allison, listen, I did a pod with my seventy five year old, dad after fucking, they shit the bed in the first minute of game. Seven I set the bar for everybody else at the ringer read the dosage like, but if he can do a pod under those circumstances, I can dig deep. I think you still expected that more votes than I expected

It was going to lose the item yeah in the first twelve minutes, just because you guys are just going it's like really suck hot. When do you think when do you think you'll start talking yourself into Boston and like where? How much more will tatum's ankle injury be a part of your analysis of what they're capable of for a run for battery It is we get closer the next season. I dont think that team at it. I think last year's still hurts and is getting worse for me cause I there's a theirs of alternate inverse, where curry doesn't get hot in that second half in game four and a couple plays go differently and I still feel like they could have won that series and curry's just fantastic and they didn't have a player as good as him, but I'd feel it that could have stolen a title. And bothers me way more this year, steam the coaching and need a minute is an abomination and now look at the moves they made right. They hired booting older

I know there is a lead assistant today that SAM could sell at their address in the fact that their coaching staff was abysmal. and they're, bringing in actual system coaches, which raises questions and they do that last season during the season they had this chance to win the title. It's lotta questions and hey. Let's do a retread doubles. Today's retread edibles is brought to by as p when you have a business? Anything can happen on any given day lucky for you, as a p has been there done that across every industry? In every type of business, like a good coach, making a key trade to turn the season around as a p, helps your business be ready for whatever comes next, so there's been some dame stuff float round that a smoke signals one way or the other. Some people are saying he's out there. China recruit free, denser veterans to get traded their other good luck

if people are saying like brooklyn brooklyn miami that he floats sat on a pod who the hell knows, but you raise the question. But what does this look like if dame gets shaded at this point in his career, and what is this remind us of any mention the iris in trade? This is this is the worst case scenario repaying for four days. We get iverson. Who is the spectacular? Often the poor. I actually in the of five and BP valid. I think I had him second adders awesome in the o, four or five season item over nash. By the way they are also it's still stopping a big points and the south ex are trying to trade form. A couple teams are fairly real eyes is that they got van. Let's caution and here's the trade priscilla philly tradesmen, the denver,

I get an Andre miller, Joe smith, and two two thousand and seventeen cited two thousand and seven firsts that became number twenty one day, kwon cook and number thirty patrick opponent. I think I'm saying that right now, trade component walks marketing could run it. That's what they're say thou these years later, I have wasn't a lot. You're a nice little run with the sixers, I guess and then and the girl had not acted ever yet, but for the most part not alive. The celtic psych there rumours like AL jefferson was on the table and you know multiple first they were not gonna get em Phyllis you're this up. They could have gotten a much better package impossible for, but they did not want to trade iris into the boston celtics they did not want. There was a moment in time before that draft before that sees started, where I think the celtics actually thought there

I don't know what you believe now. I read that writing tat. True if you're gonna say It appears that iris animal figure out the rest in the later right. It's a very ange type move to be honest with you, because the team was an all that talented based. What I was told when it was all going down like it. If you had a place in one side or the other. The safer money would have been on them getting iverson out granted. It did not happen and what I was told back then out again jumping cause. I dunno how much info you had on as was happening, but that's when I was still doing the the team stuff for for tv and it was like billy king. It's like I can't have iverson in a fucking celtics jersey coming into philadelphia like a chair- this, not my quote, but it now other makes a tunnel sense- would have been another winning decision for billy king iverson goes to differ. Has to kind of doing banjos years with carmelo that go nowhere, and then they flip a minute chauncey bill. Ups,

or that oh eight or nine season, which ends up being the great nugget season of the last thirty years to get to the conference, find then really went toe to tell it that laker team we in this up, because this would be the worst case scenario version of the damned trade we're getting smaller guy, hitting his mid thirty's sousa score, who can't gardener buddy and, as I now to be Grady this forever and then iverson by someone that one ninth season, basically flamed out like he flamed out and detroit ends up on Memphis his career is over by two thousand ten. I don't think it's gonna go like that for Dan, because he can shoot threes and I think he's We took care of himself better that irish, the debt of the courses, greer, amazingly safe, he's, got a little longer tail. Maybe then I who didn't sleep for eleven years, but there is

risk for a trading further tat. The small guard said in their early thirties, mid thirty's. Whatever it's you know it's I don't know what the hall would be if its broke I think bridges has to be in it and then I don't know why you would do the traded that point, I'm not doing the trade of. Unless I can have data and bridges. You know if it's miami, it's I could you get him, or tyler hero and caleb barton, and you know four first rounders like yay navy, I dunno I dunno what that does for portland. I don't know what the point of that is. So my guess is these days. I don't. I can't forget the trade for himself. I can't either. I really can't, because I think in the past we would always go well, there's going to be a team that just as bored

right, a team that is bored that needs to add some juice to it, which is a lot like the iverson transact like minnesota. A year ago he mean ah yeah but go bears not an icon. You know, Lillard is iverson status, but he's still kind of an icon of his generation. So if you look at the sarver shaq deal, was about just we gotta save yet, and they save money on that went to member they get. They threw mark bryant banks in it. They rabbit able cut some luxury tax out of it was weird they're a big deal and a financial deal right, but it was at that point you kind of knew like I. I think this might have run it's course, and it didn't really fit for it think else that they were doing, but I'll never get seen sarber like court side that first game wherein was like we did succeed I do think only can ever really help themselves of going like we, I can have ally recent or I can I get, because when you go back and look at the

isn't part of it. It was already trending in the wrong direction. At thirty years old, he falls off a cliff it's like over. It is over towards the end of that. The detroit thing nothing happens and then his ceremonious kind of philadelphia stop on the way out. But, like the true shooting percentage stuff is I mean he was never the most efficient guy. The metrics are never going to tell you. The full iverson story, but the metrics during the downside of his career like like, got and that's who Denver was trading for at that point, even if he was going to get his shots or exceed me who's going to get his it's because you still no matter what at that stage of his career was going to get his shots, but it was like what does that really doing for you, as a team Lillard to your point, is in better shape and I think it's wired obviously differently. I dunno that anybody's really wired like iverson and he's really really good, but I would really know yet, but I would say no thanks. I'd say no thanks as I go wait. I dont know that I'm getting somebody that really chain

like we may sell more jerseys, we may be more fun. He's gonna have a fifty point night, every now and then, but how come? They never did anything like if he's that good, how come they never do anything, except for what I like to call a kind of a fluke. He conference funnels appearances at nice accomplishments, but dont, really define who you are as a team in that's what there was like that goal and stating that they went up again and most effectively, trying to lose one of those games cause they're like I, you know we're not going to go in there, but wait these guys, like. I guess we'll just win this one tonight too yeah now imagine do you have one, because it is there that team that's board that goes yo. Can we always try to dump westbrook on the magic for all those years? And it's like now, westbrook's gonna screw up. What we're doing here lillard is not that but, like this houston go if they strike out on hard and go hey, look at us. Let's just do something. The timeline doesn't match up with some of the people. That would have the right kinds.

trades frahm is part of the problem like the orlando doesn't make sense right you going alone. I bet you write, the other guys are ready at, but they had the assets that they could try to get form. and as the only one that jumps out to me as an obvious one if it was just a tre, dame a little version of like the kid marbury type of and you're just flipping teens you put a dame in a situation that is, gives him like a real, answer when the tide open when infants at a portland gets to kind of rebuild around trey, but even that doesn't make sense to me because I dunno, why pour them would you know, want to take scoot and have tray like to me a trade, dame scoots gotta, be part of this movie scrutiny dames by so I need size if I'm getting, you know step back from them, which is why the bridges thing is interesting, but the nets on a tray bridges, so I listened out, was plenty of time to talk about dame trades over the next ten days

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Shit started going down at that time, but we wait. There is no smoke signals. There was no katy trade request. Nothing. But it was almost. We were like hunters in the wilderness, whereas, like I smell, bear feces down that we let's go left cause. I I just catching a whiff of the bear feces. If we go right, let's go left. Did you watch the sort of outdoors movie on the flight? Might have marijuana diamond niver watched by David Chris right, it may be doing damn it further. We watch will soon and I was right. I am now in his blood diamonds, good blood diamonds, amazing, I've watched it trusts me. It's late now watch it, but I'm in great I gotta watch videos, character them of a could smell the you know, smell the different sets, so you and I can smell the sense of the summer in the nba and I'll give you first pay

none? No, no, I want to counter punch dizzy. I always get first back. Ok I'll, go first sent my first pickers bradley bill. I think winger is gonna, go into this wizard job and he's already had some interesting quotes. I dont think he wants to go thirty, eight and forty four. or forty one and forty one or forty two and forty or thirty, nine and forty three for the next five years. I think he wants a real plan and it feels a little blow it up to me and I think that's actually what they should do, that the seventh back they have some assets. I dont, if your big tree. poison gas and bill and cow charisma. I hate the brigadier, but

that could be a lot of long. Postseason runs in your future and I think bradley beal, even though his no trade clause is going to be traded this summer, man sounds like somebody's been doing some chatting on the phone. That's what made it were. Merely! Oh you like that pick. Was he on your board? He was my first pick. I was going to say: oh there, you go okay, alright! So what do you have anything that I just think with the overhaul everything it might be time you know. Maybe before it's another year, you know he doesn't play a ton he's getting older. Ah, you know the problem with the wizards. Have we said throughout. It is they're paying a money to guys that are kind of bb minuses. They have a massive decision of present bias. That contract would scare the hell out of me. You could say hey, let him walk, but then you always worry about

Yeah said. Ah I would, I would hope they would try to reach the uk just go like hey. We don't like any of our guys. This team hasn't been very good like a lot of times. The problem with the jobs you end up, signing guys didn't even want, but it starts with beal. Beal move is the first piece to this and now that it feels like they finally kind of they're trying to turn the page, even if some of the some of the guys back I'll feel like hey wait, this isn't a completely revamped roster. I just really liked the pick I like the pick, but it was always up to biel and it always felt like in for years. We were right about this in that everytime. He was like the next guy, the next guy, the next guy. We were consistently saying like. I think he wants the five year deal first and then he'll start calling the shots, and this might be like a collaborative thing, so we almost could lead the powder this cause. Now, there's two directions: we could go with bill close to jason tatum its a b of j J m brown. Rumour has always been the rumour, but

I don't know why you would trade jail and brown because Then I wouldn't radiation. I wouldn't trade jail for bill. I would oh, I would neither, but I'm saying with the second apron now like the whole reason, if you're going to trade, jaylen brown or because you don't want to have two super expensive guys. So then you can't trade him for bradley beal. Counter to my point that I just made you gotta be in there keep my superstar happy business. It's the number one business to be in these days in the em, if you're an mba honour, tatum, loves bill, and maybe that's the reason you do it. I don't think they will buy the only reason in a million years out, they think make sense to do a trade with John brown abroad. The beheld now washed and offer them number seven and brad the bill for brown and you know, rob lambs dish, myths sprinkles, they may be heavy, makes him suffered. I don't I wouldn't do it, but I just don't think

he hey. We have to make sure tatum is happy at all times then can be ruled out, but my guess, my bet, the odds on favorite I would put the minus two hundred- would be philadelphia by the way. I'm aware a smith is not on the table. He just failure, and I, like the judgments, always good for those sprinkle jobs. My ads on favorite philadelphia and I don't even think it's close bill bill and indeed their friends and biggest Get him two years ago, which I kept telling people on this podcast and have gone with harden instead and bead was pushing hard for bill harden's going to leave. there's a lot of ways to go, and if your washed, in your new and I have we ve, had some off Pakistan comments about what beals value actually is, but for the money he's making where it goes into the fifties pretty quickly. I just don't. I don't think. That's an asset in the second abraham beatin on see it, but if you're phil

and you're going to lose hard and- and now I have the shooter- that's probably a better fit with him beat anyway, and I have to buy his heroism as an expiring contract couple future draft x. I could probably throw that can probably find are made in my pocket somewhere and if you asked us you know I gotta the bill contract. We have harris's in expiring and and were rebuilding everything? Well, if you were just inward all doing hypotheticals here, even though I would agree that the bill thing, especially if the EU were to say like ok, maybe it has run its course new guys in here and the whole deal but, as you know, has somewhere that he wants to go because he has hammer world. Does he, though he I mean in the old trail ass? He did you say no! No! Thanks

hey jerry report than ever that we try to portland good there's a guy. You actually didn't I vote now, I'm not going to portland. No thank you right is also about the extension, be right. So a guy like deal, though you don't, you should have to give up in all and be a player for him out at the re set at. That's, that's not the way these transactions works. That's why I think the keep tatum happy and in roadside okay. So what you did this all hypothetical which were namesakes can happen? Is you decided, instead of like hey Here's the one young guy in some salary, filler and some picks with different swaps and different protections on him. The whole thing now: here's a guy in his prime that just made all nb a you. Don't do that you don't do that. So That's why that's a non starter as far as the philly part of it a glick now breaking news, not exactly the biggest harden guy, but at least harden gets into the playoffs. You care bill can't even get his team in to anything that, like

I think, one of the worst. I was talking with somebody about this the other night. I think one of the worst playoff series, as far as like tallow, is off of the miami stuff. Again like back to like when's. The last time you saw teams think that we're just less talent that Isaiah thomas celtics team, beat the wizards in the second round six years ago, that was that was first sign of like what's wrong with these guys, but wall was still there. Morris was still there in a they talk, shit to everybody in whatever and then I feel like you, everybody kind of became teen beale big. wall was her walls. The kind of eel is out in that game. Seven, I remember he was he was, but you know if you're, if you're worth this kind of thing, I gotta get back your second apron deal. Is it maybe Even just two years ago you got right this contract sucks, whatever not a big deal, but now you're going wait. I don't know that we can have an even lily kind of falls in this

Can you have this kind of transaction with dudes who owed sixty million dollars in three years? With this new apron design? Let me give you the bill numbers right now. It's forty three point: two next season. Forty six point: seven jumps up to fifty point. Two. Fifty three point: six: six in the two thousand twenty five: twenty six season player option for fifty seven point one. So he has examined up it's one of my favorite reseller, jokes. Ah, he's got like two hundred and five million dollars remaining after after we get there so right now, if you trade him before July. First he's at forty three point. Two- and you know the harris fits like harris- makes forty and there's a way to make that work and washington would just be basically cutting bait. Maybe they could reroute, errors by him out. Whatever

the way to do it is a hard and up going to Houston any try to figure out some sort of guph sign in trade with them, we can get. Entire salary cap exception for training harden out, then you could just trade for beyond keep Harris. So let's say they say: Houston, are you and take him any more? What if you do? This start his contract of forty seven million? Will give you like a second round pickin two thousand twenty nine will trade him to you in your cap space and then we get this right. Exception? We just moved bail until it and key paris sofa and it my point is: phillies are phillies phillies to pick who do you have with your first pick, I'm just going to add one little line to it as much as I don't like harden. Even I don't think he would pull a move. Well, I shouldn't say that, but it's one of the all time loser moves if he leaves philadelphia as a you know, whatever you think of them as a contender to be like agitate, Houston's cap space like even I don't know that he would do that

So he went on is the same. The monies basically, the same. Does it Jaeger, though I don't know, I'm just not sure that some of these guys care they're much zeal. You know right. I've made an absolute shit load of money, if your heart and you'd be like I've made four hundred billion dollars playing basketball, three fifty or three hundred whatever the final number is. You know I had a great career go to the hall of fame. I won an mvp like I really like living in Houston. I'm good, maybe we'll be good in two years. We can win the title two years for about, but I love it here. I wanted to happen so bad. It would be a very telling our exclamation point his legacy. I wanted it to happen. So bad, but I mean they could sell him and he may they could say, like our you're. The first of many moves we're going to be good right away, but I'd rather have a you could say he doesn't carry it as a cure and certainly like-

the way. I would say most people finally come around on it. Where you would go, I mean the only people that were fighting the reality of who he is in the playoffs for the people that are emotionally invested in that team having a good outcome. Yeah right. Nobody wanted to admit it if you are still rooting for billing tire time, but I still think most players would be like dude. We have. We still have a chance right, Boston's all dinged up who knows what's going to happen with them, Milwaukee's kind of in this weird phase of like the beginning of face. Two or you know, miami's are coming in next year as a favorite. Brooklyn's kind of a mess like the east is wide open right. So if you're daryl morey pitching this to harden, which I don't think darryl gives a shit about, the back ten years of anything. This history shows he doesn't get air I'll, just be like whatever I'll figure out labour. A grain of the poor Tucker forty year old, vienna, empowerment era, but to go like hey,

Just give me one more will give you every last dollar we can give you ok and then the way it It's on the over thirty eight rule like they could offer him five, but the money has to fit the first force. That's why it's the same money so that you don't have the vision normally have, I think everybody understands it's been over it. Then you factor in the state taxes that it's kind of from what I've looked at as a wash but you'd still think. Like hey, I picked you up at the jet man I tweeted about how good you were for like six years. Worse, yet am I there they carrying your legacy. On my back, I had I wrote a dossier to fuckin the n b, a to save your legacy in two thousand, and eighteen like this. Is I've had your back What can you give me one more year and then I'll trade you to Houston, if you add ons as on a platter them ok, but who do you want to be like You gonna play without humanity bill and it gets more. It's basically

here's our big three and bb on maxi broaden the sky with all this playoff success seems rather bill. I my first pick was bradley beal. With your first pick, the head of zions pr team be different team next year, fair said: zions traded; no, I don't, I don't think he's traded. Ah, I think a guy having a ton of sex is not really going to rebrand his trade value. All that much if you were playing and playing well, let's be treated a little differently, but I'd I'd say at this point now after this entire week, I actually feel bad for him. So there's my zine commentary. I've I've I've been there.

couple of months ago, what accused of insects that other people? Now I that I felt I felt bad for him. I think he's in the wrong city, and I I dunno that the jaw thing too. I think these guys in their early twenties that I dunno man I they clearly they have nobody in their lives, who can be like yo go to the prom resign, as the guys in his lives are also doing this with him most likely in their there it's sick. This is awesome, gray like ah okay. I am going to go ahead and do this isn't isn't that the one of the headliners I'm gonna go John Collins he's. Finally,

John Collins did not have that on my board either this is it they finally, trade him after two years, if his it could his agent just call and go hey guys like you, just on the face time, shrugging being like even try to treat my guy forever ease like the new miles her. So I was just. I was trying to think of certainty of certainty and an I'm, not even certain is not based on any information it. Just there has to be a couple moving parliamentary lana here I like it I next pick I'm just going to go. Dame lowered cause you're just supposed to go in the top three good value product could have gone first eyes that if scoot was it going to be sitting there a number three. I wouldn't even consider this, but just think. If I don't I don't. equally who owns portland these days, there's always been where'd rumours about that. They are not available. For whatever reason, even though, like phil nice been china by them and on stuff, but I just don't know

it, takes good henderson and then keep them. That makes no sense to me and, as I think it doesn't make any sense to trade. School henderson makes way more sense to trade them than it does to trade good anderson so dame would be my pick there's another version of this where he goes number one honestly, so I probably would have taken him with this pick now, despite us trying to have any conversation about where he actually fits in us not really come to any kind of conclusion on it. I'll see your dame and I'll go grant It's great. So here you really open it up to the non stars. I greatly, as does account, he said, definitely could be another team next year. We talking about I sell takes our. I would only now one we're doing stars agree roses, hundreds if not can be in the south, execs you're, so basically its hey, let's be wrong on It is okay, alright, alright we're doing stars. I didn't didn't, realize lol I'll I'll, take bruce brown, then alright, back to you, judge or south.

It's all you wanted us to come up with ten stars that we think are like leading arms are clause no not likely by work justinian. I would be surprised in august. If this guy was another team. Alright, despite me disagreeing with the timing of the report from Chris haynes cause, I don't know how you could know that Chris Paul was being waived on January irks me june seventh, when they had three weeks from that date to figure out the trade market for eighteen Trade market for Chris Paul do they want to keep him thirty million? Do they want to waive him not stretch him resign him? If they do stretch him, then it opens up more cap space. There are moves that exist that you cannot assume you know. So I think what happened is Paul meets with phoenix on Wednesday. Wave is brought up as an option. Chris haynes probably talked as Chris Paul. I don't believe guys. stuff up on the chris paints, but I just it be like me guessing the lottery numbers one week and then the next week out, like I told you, we like you, may have gotten it right. There's no way

You actually knew what the lottery numbers were. So Chris haynes could still be right about this, but I think value for somebody who's at least name recognition, because chris is not star anymore. I'll. Take him now, Chris Paul, as name as name recognition, is a good way to frame this and that great back the reason that I was so stunned when hands tweeted. That was because and understand why they are making the decision. Now. When you never know, if there's a team that wants to give you an asset because they want to acquire crisp, so that it can wave em for sixteen million and get off the cap and get off some asset. Is the thirty two million dollar asset get Chris Paul and then waive him? So you even writing that up to me, like, like Dallas, could be like we'll trade, you kyrie, irving, sign and trade will take Chris Paul back and then we'll keep em. We can wave em. We can flip them to third team. I just there's too many options for him with that contract. So we agree. I guess I gotta cross christian wood off my board.

Up, I can't wait to know how many I'd love to know what your ten stars were, because this is horror you're going to be jealous of this peck to Karl anthony towns. Alright, alright, based on this, like the likelihood of it you're right, he should have gone higher yeah. We should have gone higher, but I would imagine they're going to try this One more time with everybody healthy, it's insane to be like: let's run it back, we didn't see enough, not a big enough sample size of go, bear towns and anthony edwards. Plus we have to pay some point guard. I just find it hard to believe he's going to be on the team next year, but maybe I'm nuts europe, I mean somebody's gotta take jalen at some point: yeah, I'm gonna wait: okay, I'll, go gerrard, Allen. what a great pic really nice, like it. Cleavings gotta, be little scared here, because the the

it's your window is already almost over right right and everything that could have there is such a great story. The number one defence, the league that next series has to be in their heads, were like what that was that what which has happened or dues member that third quarter stress with dairies garland? How come that only happened like one time they were even worse coach than the celtics in the past, and I say it this not enough. You ve thought about this before, but why did they waved him? love? If it isn't the finals right out beside the calves, I wanna get Kevin love on so bad, but I almost wanna get him on so You can talk to him, but you can have a longer like what happened. Man. How are the calves that buying you twenty five minutes a game when they had no backup begs the request has been in cause. I want to talk

at the miami run. I want to talk about his cologne bag ass oda numbers, which is still available. I think it dillard star com, but I fight we. If we get him, tell Alison let bill have em what IL divo think we do it together. I think we attacked him by the way congrats, which is etiquette, I'm going to stay in the cavs. Since you open the door, I'm going to go darius garland, no way, that's the worst pick the entire thing so far Alison had to have taken flyers. Why would they do that? What if somebody awesome is available? You mean, like an awesome, young, potentially third team, all and be a point guard that shows that he can be a really good teammate and could shoot and pass would have jaylen brown and donovan Mitchell start. Stan each other about how much they like, but how much fun or be to play with each other. I don't know this is a clear to me as if I'm with you at that the chair down pick was gay.

the only two people I know are going to be on that team or mobi anna and Mitchell also could have taken mitchell in that spot. I would trade Jaylen brown in his niece miss shoes for darius garland. In two seconds I will tell you we we We are both the lad. An onion various I've got a hundred a cyclist segments where more funding be goin. Did you take your time greatly of support that. well. Let me ask you: this: are you sold on garlon and diet of immature? as the foundation with mowbray as the as that's your three going forward and retirement. I some day with these guys. If you asking me if they're gonna win a title, the Sir, is more likely know that it is yes, I was even some one has got yet right. You ve got me I'd say what was alarming. Was that Alan mobile pairing,

so good in the regular season defensively. As those guys are that good defensively that then you become expose, because you have to non office of players on the floor like back in the old days when it be two or three those guys ass, and now it's not only those two dues, but then your costly searching for that small forward, which they never really able to come up with an answer for that. They feel good about. So at times when you watch the calves often and then, when you take out one of the guards you like is mobile. Even somebody initiates is an offence. Certainly not a play off all right. Alan Alan still a little reluctant for me, even though I I'd love to have the keys fallen off it. To me, it's not a big, for Like you and I are light, I would not. I would trade mitchell before it showed a garland, but if they traded garland for like.

Some awesome small forward or somebody who fit better on paper. The mitch I wouldn't be like stunned are Europe it I've by the way. I think that might be the one that makes the most sense is give the ball back to Mitchell. Utah days, I mean that's kind of what I love so much about what I saw from cleveland. This year's that mitchell- and you know, despite what the playoffs, where do we realize what this guy did in some of these games? This season like he was insane. He was like in the Mvp conversation the beginning of the year, so that that playoff thing shook me to my core and I work for the team, but the Mitchell brown mobley allen thing. Did you just stumble on something amazing that you also would like, and it actually wasn't from a homer base deal wow, I kind of like what you just did their bill there to darius garland teams. I was thinking about just because of the guys around with other bc icon and by the way I would naturally garlic.

Seok them either and I wouldn't trade for jalen brown straight up. I wouldn't do either and I you and I value garland the most. We were going to be right on garland down the road people come back. I asked him as a reseller, not that it's like he's one of the best young assets. I think people just I'm all in you know, but I'm all in on him as like. I think he can be back. I I think he can at least be murray next to yoke. John, the right time and that person should be moby. I would not trader Europe nobody's taken hardened, yet. Yeah! You can do it. I value is cheating, but maybe maybe

I thought maybe he could stay it's fair. Take taken so wait today gun to your head, which is aggressive. You would say he goes to Houston. Yes, everybody seems to be saying the same thing. I can't believe I'm the guy being like. Would he even do that? Would he even do that I'll? Take him I'll, take a if that's lower than I think people had in the marks like what's wrong with that guy. Did you see I'm going to take a flyer. And the millibar yeah I'm just craps table at I'm, just betting, I'm betting on the two ones for the next raw or it's. I gotta me two ones gimme to sixes. I still this this whole charlotte, picking to import them pickin three. If you love skewed in you- and I both love scoop, if charlotte spends real time,

scoot and they're like holy shit. By the way they should just keep scooting lamella, I just I dunno adam adam- are down, and I'm just going to mention Hugo alright. So you had a scoop. I don't think they do. That, I think. Is he still new enough and it's been fun enough? Despite the injuries there's been no expectations on the team to win? I think he is such a big deal to young people and even though he doesn't

Really get that you want to go out. Man he's one of the true stars in this league, his his playing style and his notoriety coming in. I think that's really important for that franchise. It it's it's like trae young, but not as good of a player have already laughing at just like that. You are trader. Orlando says, have faults, six, eleven and ah unprotected first next year for lamella: let's go let's dance! Vault is good. Now cerruti. Would you do that I love it. I love it. We just we go back like sororities, like an arbiter fridges gave thirty a big three he's got a mellow, Paolo and and Franz Wagner I'm going to lay out. I love when you do this. I get accused of turning down every trade proposal that you offer up to me for the magic and people think I'm just like you know my expectations too high,

I'm just not that that the mechanism of the needle for me man, I just casually so every word I just want to see. Www couple years, for they would it you're? The avis lies, the other point about about titles, they could take a break. The seventy three when record. I just want to break up the score keys. I feel yankees talking about trading burning lambs in two thousand, we weren't three world series with them. I just a year that eyes were too weak. I want to see him for a couple years ago, just see what they are. First before we start like making this complicated. I don't I'm thirty days they give. You worked with two different pod. Castors you'd feel differently about a mellow, but you watch early past guy, see you watch the you don't use means to shame. Lamellous that doesn't promising it's not

look great! I wouldn't you know it's just why you taken that written here said dumb injuries say I will say, like I'm, not ready to say, like he's that are above because I think he said dopey injuries not like the you know a lot so there's something clearly wrong yet, thereby there They ve been unlucky, although with I'm lucky entry season ok injury guy, I'm upset that security was away during your worst take because he was our compass rewards. Take on my add the gambler. Who I know is your boy blame the rear, camera. Oh y'all know where you're at you're a germany and johnson guy and terminus my guy right right and boy and eddie Johnson's my hero but kamla from mb a radio, maybe a more kamla a d. I don't wanna. You know I dunno, okay, fair! I I think I listen to those guys more just because of the time of day or that I'm in the car, which I think I put eight thousand miles on it two years somebody doesn't drive a lot. Ah somebody doesn't do a ton

Jim the blame, the guy, the court's I'd seats for labelling injury. When you don't fit you sitting, these do a better job. It was one of the all. Time takes one. It's all good! That's why some like I'm not doing this to make fun of catholics. I've known them a really long time. You read it the first time and you went. Did somebody come up with that? Like that's what I love about the human race? Is that you'd be like well? No one would think that you like be others coupled couple of dudes were like be better, but people are great, so they are unlucky injuries. I heard camo once talking about and bead whether he's going to play or not, He said about facing the pressure and he said how he wakes up everyday, knowing he has to their show. They did. He wants that pressure. New thrives of that pressure. It was awesome. I was like fuck Rick Allah, I get it mad, there's hidden pressure get that show read every day. I feel it. I felt that today clearly at the show seriously.

As we would have good topics, I can't see shit because I too many times already in my career. I've been like you know. I don't know what what disguise looking for free Is she I remember the first time I sat down with mo davenport to talk about my days called your three idiots via bright side? I'm I'm just as guilty of it. I'm all right! So we're going to wrap up the draft sturdy stand, cause we're going to do nephew, corner and recap cause wedding. I still pick well, apologies add two guys still on my board, tray young joy and be it quite leonard, Paul george and Adele bridges. Now that guys that I wouldn't be like it wouldn't absolute. stun may, if those guys we're not theirs same teams in two months, when budgets are they d shot, they murray just throw his name in the mixed to like them. Ok, I break this

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For the last couple of years. I'm actually proud of them hey, you know they met each other different time and both of their lives. Little rocky to begin with, not gonna lie the didn't Incredibly high hopes for the long haul your speech They really settled. Then there really good together, like I am actually n by unbiased stack of the marriage at the good, sir. I think kyle was great seen him. Super happy surrounded by fan he heard somebody somewhere between and train the dessert broke a glass and there were shattered grasser anna's around his chair, he might have had stuck africa heaters during the wedding, but for the most part of it is a very mature Kyle, so I'm here to answer your questions. Whatever your questions are for the wedding weekend. Well it was a lot of stuff on our end, about a potential fight between the poughkeepsie guys in the new york city,

guys, was there any tension in the air that you were able to notice, so we packed it in from the wedding, I would say: nine nine thirty range and there is a couple of bars- and I think there might have been an altercation later in the night and the sam described that as a borderland brawl at one of the bars cow not evolved. Car was gone by then, but I thank god. The gloves were dropped a point around two o clock near doesn't close early so that happen, and then the cup of his friends stole the maintenance car that as I said, I don't know their friends. Somebody took the car always they're getting married there that, like those little golf carts where the made this thing organize your drive and that around at night screaming. That was really fun like that. That's actually call yes, I suppose tat roused up, but pretty

Bela, for the most part, lad eleven the air ladder, but a lot of concerning what was kyle's. What was his vibe was. He would see you know, because he is kind of talked about it. He was very self aware like he didn't want to get. He don't want to be the one guy that was hammered at his own wedding, and I respect that because, like a lot of guys, they just get nervous. People keep hitting shots and it just like it's. Not even their fault just happens. Quickly so it isn't their fault, it's not their fault yeah. Have you got your party people? Can people get the analysis of? I was done. I was on my way home to and hours so he held it together was the emotional was like six thousand really get that emotional. So I was interesting. What was he? Is he a cry guy, as he did you get a little emotional during like the I do part what would happen? I could see great question and well here's what kyle did. I think he went out pretty far the night before- and I think everyone agreed may be a mistake so for the people listening when you get married, there's this there's you feel like the night before, like I'm not going,

You know I was not the wedding, I'm going to go hard tonight. All my friends are here. You're super excited. There's people you haven't been in the same room at that much that long and everybody's together, everybody, you love is in one spot and it's exciting. and drinking and doing whatever and these states too late and in the next day or super hung over the problem. As you were in this fire retardants, tux right, the taxes are other than F one uniforms. I think the hottest thing a man can put and if you're, especially outdoor wedding, it's just really risky so did. Did I say when I say cow's face had like a ton of color? No, no! I wouldn't do that. He looked like he had been after that before. I could tell him not sure if, like his eight year, old aunt could tell, but he made it he had to be upright. I think what was interesting was the wedding were her the wedding. The wedding, I wouldn't say, was like strongly worst

but it was kind of adhering, like it all kind of worked out in the railways, but there is couple moments when they it fell missoula might have been in charge couple of times couple of timeouts, I would have called getting his cows built. For that scenario, count I feel like hung over kyle. Like he's you, that's he's he's functional in that way like many, but if I'm asking anybody to help play hurt on a day like that is probably in the top five draft picks Jim cunningham, who was a beloved grantline rigour. Employee who were pressed for a wound, is very close cow. He officiated the wedding and did really good job and it was funny and then a cow and a lotta dead vows and they were really good vows? I gotta say like they: they were like high up there, both like genuine like They thought for a cow. Now you think man which won t t pitchy fits in it said idea.

Yeah now I dont oh there's a joke, just detect joke you have to now. I dont think I I was thinking about it. We made me like whether he had some may. I hope I don't know if you did. You said You say that giant speeches were get right. You said there are using all the speeches were good. Yes, so we had five speeches, all them kept them pretty short. I think they did a good job of. while they so best man made of honor. There is cause other told man, told yeah, and now the I stood, two dad's dad the the brides dad gave a great speech. No notes was impressive, like really like, rather that off like he was.

doing like a first take segment was great yeah. The speech was like an m eager to win an emmy, for that is right, said anytime, and but the speeches were all good. Nobody. Nobody, no stumbles that you know there's couple wedding subplots that I can't go into at that baby. I fear that were pretty fun. We're gonna have a vile around like will. Cover will do wedding part too. Maybe a mine, there's stuff. I don't know You know, I'm there yeah, I'm just trying to keep a low profile there's. I am not sure what happened yesterday cause it was a friday wedding. So you had a whole outdoor saturday thing that I think went for awhile and I was really before the guy. I've known him since I, since he was a kid I think we met when he was like eight years old, but then he moved out

two dads sixteen and work from h, b, o show, and then I taught him how to tape basically taught him how to produce a podcast. Now he's one of the best producers we have, and it was good. He just seemed like an adult. I was really attracted to it sounds the sunday, but as I welcome an adult, is getting married, his job, he said in his business practices problem. Not that the hilarious story. You're expecting now I kind of expected to keep. I dunno how you felt ryan, but I I I thought he was. He was really on top of it. I just wanted. I was more worried about the buddies and I worried than I was.

about him. I was never worried about him. I never any because now and he's how old is he two hours and thirty right he's not he's, not even thirty, so that when mine, if I had been married before I was thirty, I'm one hundred per cent hung over my wedding. I wouldn't get drunk at the wedding, but I'd be dying, hung over because I'd be so fired up to see all of my buddies and you may have stumbled on a side, business, readable, tuxedos, reducing get married in their twenties. It's too had some said. Just now. I got married in Boston. I was thirty three years old and all my friends were once by we're in the city, and I did not handle it correctly and that the day of the wedding in boston was eighty five. Eighty eight degrees, something like that and I thought I was going to die

the tax I ran, I finally, I saw it unites before the force came. Only read raided, the table family was there there like who the fuck is this guy, the cat, the I had a friend one said, act like kill iver during the ceremony from from the sand from that common and he was younger, but that same. But that is not really too much like cedar that the next day and if again, if you're, like lead alike, if stresses gonna, add to whatever sort of joy. Nomes are going on in the inside and everything else. If you are actually have the anxiety hangover hang over too, not just the physical one. Indeed, You're standing up in front of all these people, like any normal I'll write. You like the guy, stands up for work as the brides back.

Or they're working on her dress. Nobody sees her that the the groom comes out he's out there on display for, like twenty minutes waiting for everybody to come down. If I had gotten married in my twenties lock of the year, you know that day I would have felt terrible, but I probably wouldn't have drank during the wedding cause. I would have been like you know what splits let's get this over with and then, we'll plan the rest of our lives together. That's kind of how I was I was. I think I was twenty nine when I got married and you know again, there's just people like everyone that sees you there just hand you a drink right beforehand, I'm just like. Oh man, I can't be doing this, but my dad bought like a giant bottle of maker's mark. Just I dunno just it has have around for for whatever reason, and they used it yeah. It was pretty great and somebody one about one

my brother in law actually use it as like a prop during like the introductions right. So he comes out like I'm drinking the bottle makers mark that then people start like on the dance floor, doing a drinking from the bottle, and that was a mistake in the long run, because we had a couple of buses: take people back to the hotel, most buses, all of my buddies, which puking everywhere. So it was not a great at the night, was great. They are all big here and then the buses on that twenty thirty right back to the hotel, probably weren't, the best ass situation. So you don't need iranian quickly. There's different wedding age ranges. I went to a couple and at a college, when everybody is like twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, those are the ones that are just absolutely bonkers. Do there woody doc. Ninety nine, I mean they're like the first, when your college group, the first two guys you're right they get married. If I'm saying, if I had advice now for guys, not that I do this on the pockets, every single episode, but it's actually grape

they give your close kind of on the calendar with two of your other college buddies. Let them go first, let them go first sink in tell your girl. You went away two year, its edge of the first pillar season fernand atm resistant neck ignited. They see just have been there before. He could just telling the cavaliers this year yet the particular shin at home. You need to go through the battles. Yeah exactly you got the scars. yeah, we had our first do from college, who just yeah, but did you get older and the other thing I mean there's a little more somber, but we had a memorial service for my wife's dad today was cause grandfather and there there's a couple of speeches, but kyle gave a really good speech

For that, too, is easily the most adult weekend. I've seen from him wait wait. You guys went from that into this today, if Friday, to sunday yeah, we did that it was Sunday he he he passed away a few months ago. So was just we knew and we're going to as to where everyone was from. It was a belated service, but he I did a good job, but that, if kept our guys are grown up, man, I'm really starting to feel it starting to happen, love it and they go right into the honeymoon or a c back on tuesday. Now he's now he's coming back next week, so you'll be able to recap, listened a is my advice by cuba. There's some there's some stories from each night with the friends that I think he could problem dive into, why think, there's a little animosity to be honest with you, I who knows Those with the rivalries when you get in a plan situation like a wedding could ass, yet it so for continuation of,

have the wedding stories listener priscilla, when we get is he doing the tuesday part? He, I think, he's back on tuesday yeah. So there you go reseller dive in or get the staff at. This podcast was produced by our guys, a blakely celtic fan who I haven't really talked to since the celtics, and just by chance we haven't talked since the celtics came back from thrill and then collapse in game. Seven, as I am glad you're you're at recovered from the loss, Thirty could see, was always I'll be back on this package. Do it doing an after gamer on Monday night and then commissioner this on tuesday for the deeper dive bus, africa, we'll get to see was always

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