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Being in the military in law enforcement. I've seen a lot of people die. I've seen a lot of really bad things, but he never think anything can happen to you, not the you're above it. It always happens to somebody else. Nothing could have prepared me for what actually happened. The deputy showed up at my door. All he said was you need to call your dad dad started crying, and he told me that there had been a fire. At my mom's house, the only people living in the house was my mom Becky, her boyfriend John and my little sister Becky.

So waiting for positive identification on three bodies founded, burned out home opinion, pines We knew right away. everyone is dead maybe my mom fell asleep with a cigarette. A gas leak happened was much much worse. I learned that Becky was found in a wheelbarrow. Apparently she had been placed in this and set on fire. My baby sister was caught. This was the further in the wheelbarrow was found here. We know that it was about to the spot because you were tracks ruled out that way. Why bring her body towards the further house? We think it was too poser and they wanted to leave some kind of simple make it as personal as possible. That's hate!

she was obviously the target and when I heard the wheelbarrow situation. That's when I knew it was have my precious hi robber because he had threatened color, while the other pointed toward right, repaid in christian Psmith. Robert paper was Becky's ex boyfriend. Christian smith was robert, paves best friend setting Seven years went by before anything happened. Yesterday, police arrested, twenty five year olds, christen smith and Becky free ex boyfriend, Robert pape. We know Robert and anyone who knows him knows how ridiculous the accusations are wise from christian.

save lives, he save lives and afghanistan. He doesn't take life. There's no way, it's all very obvious that there's no way Robert pay in christian smith are accused of three counts of murder and if you just look at all the evidence it just doesn't fit, doesn't work. This is not the case that should be brought against these two men, there is not a doubt in my mind that they have the right people. I know that they do

It was ambitious, triple homicide, but there were almost no clues left behind. That's because a fire or consume the crime scene destroying vital evidence with the investigation hampered from the start. It would take nearly twelve long years to bring this case to trial and to its emotional conclusion. Toy roberts brings us the murder in pinion Winds

This foundation is all that remains of the freely home and pinion pines California, on the evening us timber, seventeenth, two thousand six tinier freed lee's childhood home- was burned to the ground. not a day. That goes by that I dont think about what happened. I missed them every day. Inside a home investigators have found the bodies of ten years, fifty three year old, mother, Vicki freely and her fifty five year old boy friend John Heyward. It was later determined they had. been shot homicide unit is treating this as a homicide outside and burning wheelbarrow worthy hard remains of tongue, is eighteen year old, sister Becky, her body too badly burned to determine the cause of death.

the worst part, as is that's my baby sister. I was supposed to be the one to protect her and be there for her. That's my job. Tonia burner we deserve in another town relay the devastating moves to her sister drew an air force medic station in japan at the time. I think it s a fine, When you find out the somebody could be that for once Mr X, something it seen a horror like as opposed to real life for drew him. honey. It's hard to reconcile that horrific murder scene to their storybook upbringing on the property, their father run ITALY had built or whom himself in the mountains high above the desert heat of the cultural values. it was just a nice place. It was country, it was only out of the city- and I liked it- it was a great place for the kids grow up ron doated on her

Daughters, and so did his wife Vicky. My mom was just a very kind hearted, wonderful woman, she loved being a mom, she loved gardening, she leaped selling and quoting and cooking. You know that was really important for her I teach us how to cook even from a very very young age, the youngest of the sisters was high. Spirited Becky friedly Becky was always just an amazing person. Even when she was small, always had a smile on her face. She was always there for you She's smart becky used to actually help time yet. And drew their homework and an you know she's, for his younger than them. She got along with everybody. She really did. She was just a fun, happy person, but we're happy times of reform. We didn't last runnin Vicki divorce. After thirteen years of marriage, she was a good person.

But we sort of grew apart as the years passed time Andrew also left home becky remained behind with her mother, who eventually found love again with contractor john hayward, my dad called Becky his cupcake because she was just so sweet. Katie hayward is John's daughter. They were drawn together because they both loved the outdoors and they loved living up there together, I'd be like dad. Why are you guys living up here? Just come down to the city? There's plenty up here and he would always say like it's free of care. No one will ever bother us the safest place. They can then came that night in september at first no one could imagine who would want to her John Becky and vague No idea the finger was being pointed at everyone. We think there were offers rivers rumors

that circulating that perhaps they had been murdered by someone with a grudge against run freely run had retired the year before, from the riverside county shares department did I believe that this may have been some sort of retribution for your work and law enforcement. I really didn't I've. Never really. involved in anything. We're somebody would does said want to get back at this guy. I didn't have that kind of career, so you had no enemies really Investigators looked into that theory and quickly ruled it out, but then rumors swirling about run freely himself. I mean it just natural to think that possibly the husband family could have been involved in an. I understood that going into it Were you interviewed? Yes, I was. I was crying probably most through most of it. Investing There's s run to take a polygraph test. Now was probably the

first time that I really felt like. I was kind of a suspect. oh, I got up there. I took the polygraph and the lady came up, She said this is one of the best tests I've ever given in my career. She says it was incredible: you did fine phone records put run. eleven hours away at his property and northern california, when the crimes, workplace and police ruled them out as assessment, but there was one person front: is who says she knew immediately. Who was responsible for this? intentional and he did it, and I have known since day one he debate, to hear a reading of one is backing last posters and socially go to facebook.

forty eight hours in the first days after the murders run Italy was besieged with questions. None of us really knew why it occurs nor had a reason for it. The last thing I thought was that it was something to do with backing. But once the initial shock had subsided, run began looking at the crime through his investigators eyes and came to believe that it was Becky who have been targeted seem to personal because of a fear Becky had she was really really afraid of fire when she was younger, mom was fixin tacos and she had a painful

part greasing Becky, pulled it down off the scope and burned on her chest. Shad third degree burns on her chest. So someone that's with someone intimately would know that she had these scars. scared. A fire becky's friend genie mcdaniel a suspicious about someone right away. immediately when you heard the murders your mind went to. For mediately nothing else. In my mind, there's nobody else that could have done this robber peep was Becky friedlin ex boyfriend. Robert got thank you her saw. The teenagers started dating in high school and we're together for over a year, but thank you guys are getting married at first Becky and robert seem happy I mean you're, her first love, I just think she was madly in love with him. Virginia geniuses robertson grew possessed of a vacuum

When her and I went on vacation about ten months before she died, he called about twenty thirty times in a night, just harassing her wanting to talk to her. While we were out with friends. Sorted authority turns, and one night with I mean minutes with each other. in january, two thousand six becky and robert broke up and started seeing other people, but according to genie robbers, obsessive behaviour only grew worse and took an even darker turn shortly before the murders in september She came to my house three weeks before she died and said he had even threatened to kill me. Those are her exact words. He even threatened to kill me why she said because he wasn't taking the breakup well and he wanted her and didn't want anybody else to have her. That's what she said to me. So, were you concerned for her? I was, but she gave me the impression that it wasn't a big deal, and so I kind of just took her

for it and let it go. But after the murders jeannie says she went straight to the riverside counting shares apartment with her suspicions. As it turns out, Robert peep was already on the radar. Everyone was whispering Robert, they moved pretty quickly and, and action of robert. There is a lot of little tiny bits of information from different sources. one of the sources was Becky's close friend heavier garcia junior, who are good. Investigators and interesting bit of information on the night of the where's. He says Becky had told him. She was going hiking on our property with robert and his friend, christian psmith tenure, freely, beliefs or sister, probably just wanted to slew things over with rub. My sister is affects our. She lived with all her heart

She gave herself to everything she did Garcia juniors Lee place robber paid in christian smith at the scene of the crime, the knight of the murders with rumours point Where's, the two men, the free these were sure that the case would soon be some kind of the sense of relief that they would be arrested? but as surely as the momentum had started, it seem to stop riverside county sheriffs apartment, never publicly shared any details of the investigation or named any such makes it worse frustrating, but they just kept saying they they didn't have if they didn't have enough time to make an arrest private. Investigator louis polonias saw his friend run, grow increasingly despondent, but three years into this, I'm getting updates from IRAN and I'm finding up nothing's happening it does cases stalled, is gone cold.

Louis and Enron had met years earlier at the sheriff's office were run having one of louis's first turning officers. Now it was time for louis to help is all teenage. I beg run for years to three years We do this, for you louis has also worked in the riverside county DA's office, although they parted on bad terms. He was certain he could get things moving again, a new that we can get us back on the front page where he needed to be in those phones bring again. I really wasn't ready, because I really felt in my heart that I I thought the sheriff's department was going to solve it. I really did. but as the six year anniversary of the crime approach with no arrests inside run finally gave was the green light. The media, vp. I got to work in one of his first The business was putting up this provocative bilbil. We want to do it before and after a beautiful picture of

and then a simulated picture of backing in the wheelbarrow on fire. It really really at heart strings and second people. We believe the following to be true. Louis also held a press conference at the murder site, withdrew and tenure freely wherein this, because we believe this case can solved. We know somebody out. There know something The next year tips started coming in one of them from Becky's cousin, Daniela, Romania, who remembered something that might help investigators. I had spoken to Becky the night before the murder and she told me that her ex boyfriend Robert had come in to her work at dennys and was harassing her. He had harassed her to the point of being removed from the restaurant bernoulli arose after the altercation we're discuss going on behind.

and I think talk about whatever their relationship was how it was finishing aware, it was through on the seventh anniversary of the crime louis held yet another press conference at site with Daniela bias. I suspect then igniting the accelerant and in turn engulfed begging and flame ramblings. All the media pressure haider s with a few months later. The DA's office subpoenaed robert paper and christian smith to appear before grandeur each wish stir in the pot. It was something on the news every day about it and I think they just said are endless. Somethin, and they did as the grandeur It drew to a close. There was news you're watching Caitlin as cue the deserts news leader to arrests. After nearly eight years in the opinion, pines murderers prepared smith were arrested for triple homicide. I was very happy was probably the happiest day of my life.

but as investigators we're sure the killers were finally in customs to family say they are just as certain the men are roughly accused Innocent until proven guilty is a myth. Its guilty till proven innocent trumped gonna come out will go well. cool. for over seven years. The families of Becky freely her mother vicky and John hayward have been waiting for this moment It was, in my stomach sing them in the suits and seeing them. Flash and seeing them handcuffed, rubber, paypal, christian Psmith, both too

The five found themselves in a riverside county courthouse charged with triple homicide, both pled not guilty. I think they thought they were going to get away with it, but these two men hardly fit the image of two. Go defendants neither have criminal records. Christians is married and decorated. War hero rubber papers also married in an active member of his church. I had a really hard time just keep in it together, you now Robert sister Christy, I struggled seeing him accused the brutal murder and burning a three people. Somebody like him, someone like him being put in the position. It's really hard to watch christine Roberts mother, Kathleen say he is innocent and not the man he has been portrayed as in the media. They tried to

come out to be a monster, a jealous monster, and he just isn't that what kind of wherever it is an amazing person he's got a good heart. He's got a gentle heart. Pard working, patient, honest he's always there when you need them resorted takes care of. All of us takes really good care of his wife Robert started dating his wife, Sarah, after his break up with Becky his wife, both have tremendous heart per animals is about people who cares about animals. He's just got the utmost integrity, and christine cuff, we aren't roberts, only supporters we ve had no less than ten or eleven people at every single hearing and theirs. Thirty thirty, three thirty four people at one of the hearings just coming to support and the courtroom can even fit that many of us people called us,

immediately after he was arrested and they were like now. This isn't right. This is not the robert. I now Also, looking on in disbelief has been christian smith's father john conrad smith, but I know my son didn't do that. I know he's not gay A boy that swiss says it. Son is an honourable man and was living his dream serving his country in the military as part of the armies elite. Seventy fifth ranger regiment in afghanistan, smith says his son became a hero, he saved another man's life, who was shot actually shot through the lung, and I have a picture of him pulling him out and two of his battle. Buddies and Christian had one hand on a rifle and pulling of his comrade. And firing back at afghan christian has one commendations for valor and has been awarded to purple hearts the forerunner of one.

with wounded any was shot through the arm. He had just this one was when he took the grenade shrapnel. He deserved better than this is possible. I, on the line for five years now, he's a good guy. Christian smith may be a war hero now, but investigators believe back when he was seventeen. He committed murder with his eighteen year old, best friend, rubber paint, christian smith and robert pape. really really good friends in high school and they both kind me too. The same drama, Robert pape and christian smith both had an extreme fascination with fire. Becky had complained about robert and christian too close friend, rent and kugler Harrison, there's one time that they were plane. Fire him and him and christian in the theaters. They said something on fire. I think it was a matches, not one hundred per cent. Sure though, but I remember hers getting mad at him over that and not talking to him for a couple of days,

her son have a fascination with fire. Now now there was an old fashioned asian. They were not kept lawmakers erika cats, but prosecutors plan on using roberts words against him just a few months before the fire and pay pines Robert had an instant message. Conversation with us then girlfriend sarah, in that exchange robert, seem to offer a solution to several problems. with an ex boyfriend. Well, if you know where he lives, we can professional burn his house down, considering how Becky, Vicky and John were killed. It's very concerning statement is eight month, eight months prior to the homicide, The riverside county, sheriffs apartment and DA's office would comment on the investigation, but forty eight hours. obtain a copy of the grand jury transcripts. The proceedings, both men pledge the fifth, but when questioned by police years earlier, they deny they ever went near Becky's house and said they never had any intention of hiking with.

Robert incursion toll police during the interview that they were hidden deters tat night. And they made a phone call on the way there in the church was, in fact clothes windows. And fell through the boy said they headed back to christians, dad's home, to hang out and play video games. where was your son the night of the murders? You don't want? I wasn't in town. Well, what did he tell you when you eventually saw him? We here The boy said the eventually wound up at this middle school, where they shot paypal guns Nobody saw christian or robert at the school plain painful. Nobody there the alibi is each other It was the boys cellphone activity that night that raise the most red flags, two investigators, they put themselves so to tell a soul say differently at seven two p m robert cellphone ping near the start of highway. Seventy four, the road leading

to the freely hope minutes later, both christian and robbers cellphones once silent from about seven thirty, two, ten p m the times investigators believe their murderous took place. They can out of their way to find Becky hard to save, John. His Vicki were collateral damage, tracks and footprints. seen place Becky's attacked near the desert behind the house back. He was then place and a wheelbarrow and rolled back towards the house and set on fire. What kind of evidence was recover from the same at links this cry, I'm too, these two young men. While we know that at the point where the wheeler rolled from where they put back in the wheelbarrow that they found a business card, and on that basis they eventually found dna. There was consistent with dna, belonged christian smith, so the home it was there

in fact, had been shot with forty caliber handgun and John heyward. With a shock before the house was set on fire when investigators search the boys hones a year later, they found shock on similar to the one used in the crime, no handguns wherever recover, but in Robert said, There were accessories to the type of gun that may have kill vickie. That search warrant. They recovered ammunition to forty cow, currently holster to a glock. Forty, that's powerful piece of evidence you, but The police are the right man, I'm confident there. Right two guys absolutely but defence lawyers charge investigators, ignored other possible suspects and that the evidence will never hold up a trial You have the wrong person here,

two forty eight hours will continue. The. for time. Your freedom here, The specific details of the murders has been difficult. about how they must have been pleading for their lives. How scared oliver more is horrifying. And believing that one of their alleged killers was someone Becky, once loved has been especially painful for runs hurriedly. She loved him alive.

and that's probably one of the saddest parts about the whole story is innocent. I loved him to death and he threw it all away, throw it all away for nothing, but nothing is what defense lawyers say. The state's case is based on. I keep looking for the proverbial other shoe I want over. I just didn't see it: richer booming felt represents robber, Pay and says the case against his client is built entirely unquestionable and hearsay evidence. He points to Becky's cousin and yet some ano who said Becky had told her about a fight at Dennys the day before the murders. The robber had gone to. Bed. His restaurant and there have been a scene, an argument and they'd been asked to take it outside and so on and so forth. That never happened, never happened. Never happened. Nobody could substantiate that that anything like that ever happened

felt says, a grand jury should have never heard Daniela testimony or the evidence about the I am exchange between robert and Sarah, in which he and seemingly suggested burning down her ex boyfriend house. Womenfolk argues that was set in a joking fashion. There were probably over a hundred pages of these conversations and they talk One exert out of context was clearly not seriously said. Women failed also denies that robert threaten Becky's, live and says there will be no reason for him to be jealous or want to harm Becky, because he had already moved on. It wasn't saying back anymore seriously? She was trying to rome. their relationship ahead moved on. He was with Sarah weather, I had a motive or not christian. Smith's alleged role never made any sense to his attorney John petrodollar, the motive. If, I believe this is he's robert.

friend. Anyone along with them. That's it there's no connection with Christian and Becky. There is nothing that suggests he has any animosity towards her. It's a pretty weak argument. Dolen things, all the evidence is weak, starting Boys lack of self when activity around the time frame of the murders he says it doesnt prove anything. It is unusual for for a teenage or not to use the phone for two and a half hour. Well, you could say that you could also say that he was having a shower having dinner and he had a paintball gunning tested out near a middle school and he did make any calls for two and a half hours. It's really not that in common at all,. But before the boys phones, when silent there was that sell tower, paying that put robert and presumably christian at the start of highway. Seventy four up to opinion pines Do the ping show that christian and robert were somewhere near Becky's home? Well, that's one of those,

really interesting anomalies cause a ping doesn't show at all that Christian was anywhere near that home. Darwin says that three minutes before robbers phone tang near highway. Seventy four christians phone paying off a cell tower miles away, and I can tell you that the rescue Can I have a hard time getting over MR smith's being on the other side of the coach l, a valley when they say mister, His phone was ping. Sometimes are the time that they would have had to been an ascent up the mountain, but the state's f b. I experts, say self at higher elevations, sometimes bounds of other towers, pinging phones or not investigators say there is hard evidence putting christian at the sea that dna on the business card and that puts in there and we know that he has denied ever being Dolan questions whether the dna is christians as apply The commission says it unequivocally is and argues that, even if it is a match, Becky could have previous

I picked up the card from his client. She carries it up to her house. She drops it on the ground that doesn't prove he was there. It simply proves he touched a hard and they have to have something more than he touched a card to prove use their committing homicide. Dull and dismisses the dna evidence. He says the gun evidence is almost laughable. What the argument was by the district attorney was, He had access to the kinds of guns that were used does that make anybody guilty because they have access to kind of gun that was used with no ballistics with no, measurement with no slugs, with no nothing increased. Father says that the entire argument is moot anyway. As far as his son is concerned, because the guns With him in another state, though, we can other murders, they were with me. I got put in the trunk of my car Fence believes that other people should have been looked at more closely like heavier garcia junior, that friend Becky's. What first turn him

skaters towards robert and christian saying they were Ongoing hiking, so Javier says Becky says something. How do we find out? Whether not that's just him making up something because it points elsewhere, some friends say garcia, junior one or to be more than friends with backing and Dolan Blumenthal point out that, while their clients phones Didn't paying up in the mountains, were Becky lived, garcia, juniors dead? If you follow the route, daddy allege that he took it puts him right by Becky's residents. Why was he driving in the area under the time that this took place, and I was told that Javier garcia would not testify grand jury unless he was granted immunity. does. He need immunity if he doesn't have anything to do with this domino? Points out that garcia juniors father is an investigator in the DA's office. Raising questions about possible conflicts of interest, interesting question about

there was an investigation by the wind and to be fair. We have to say the attorney general came down and looked at it said, doesn't look like there's any conflict of interest here and- and I accept that for now, but I dont accepted forever. He was extreme- the forthcoming with the police and was instrument in their investigation. Former federal prosecutor, Eduardo Roy represents heavier garcia, junior, he says, have yours only role is that of key witness and not as a suspect he was to testify before a grand jury. Yes, he was, did he didn't it? We were there and then I that they didn't. Neither did you ever asked for immunity for Javier. I asked for them to be clear, before I made him available that he was not a target or a suspect of the investigation. Why? Because I'm a very good lawyer,

why Roy says the reason why garcia junior was driving in the area before the murders was because he wanted to join the group going hiking, but Becky told him not to come so he turner, I went home and what the police did was track where he was police herman, heavier garcia junior was back in the desert floor at the time of the murders and rolled them out, as a suspect, and then yellows are menu independently backs up heavier story that Becky plan to go hiking with robert and her friend the night of the murders. They had a definite plan to go hiking. The three of them. freedom is believed, the evidence, circumstantial or not paints a damning picture. When you put it all together, it's them. I can only hope and pray that area of their peers will hear the evidence and come back with a guilty verdict:

I call it the drive of terror. Almost every saturday, for the last six months, John conrad smith, makes the hour long drive to visit his son at the riverside county jail. I just think about christian cry all the way up and all back smith. as Christian has missed a deployment with his unit and it's all butts

we're going to miss out on a huge life event. His wife jackie, is about to give birth to their first child. He's not going to be there for that birth he's not going to be able to see that birth and it's horrible. I mean he's taken it and he's taken a guard and to see him in that orange jumpsuit. It breaks my heart. It breaks his heart. Rubber pipes, mother Kathleen has also been I have a hard time seeing her son behind bars. The thought goes through your head. Like will, I ever be able to touch her, but there is another parent out there who wakes up each morning. Thinking these men are exactly They belong, while the first things I do in the morning. I get a cup of coffee and I go outside. I think about Becky, and I think about those two boys after years of wave the freedoms and hatred feel they are one step closer to justice as they wait for a trial days to be set.

It's a nice feeling knowing that they're going to have to answer for what they did if the jury finds them not guilty, so be it. If they found guilty, then they're going to pay for the crime that they committed. But the case was about to take an unexpected turn. Eight years, murders. The prosecutor assigned to this case what inside this court house and ask that all charge guess rubber pay increases smith, be dropped bombshell out of an indio courtroom. Today, charges dropped really emotional yeah. I mean I'm just happy. I'm happy he's coming home as a matter of fact, I'm going to go, get them right now. The DA's office offered little explanation for their, session and prepared statement. They said legal issues had arisen during the grand jury proceedings against rubber pave making appropriate to ultimately dismiss the charges against both man. The system work. I have faith in my son and that

I can tell you, the dismissal was so unexpected that neither man was in the courtroom that christians dad broke the news to him from outside the jail. You been relief. Your been released, your mom and I and everybody there everybody's here, the babies on her way we're just waiting for you to get the paperwork done and for you to walk out that door, we're all waiting outside for your tongue, the and just a few hours later christian smith, the with robert pape, closely behind, walked out together. Prison held his two week old daughter zoe for the first time just want to be with my beautiful baby girl, an amazing wife, royal family and my brothers errors or in the military

I've been loyal to me throughout this whole thing. I hope I can just move on with my life and put this behind me. Robert's family was waiting for him location nearby. What was it? I cut your son water, oh my gosh at first time holding, and you know I just I didn't want to let him go, but I had to skip over it and let let her, That is why I gave me, but it may not be completely over for payment smith. The d a can technically revile charges against them and if new evidence, emergence tanya freedom has always been convinced that they had the right man can. I have thought about

if they get away with murder. To know in my heart that christian and robert took my family for me and could get away with it. I hope that they have to think about this every day for the rest of their life in june. Two thousand and sixteen robert pape and christian smith were rearrested for the murders. The states as the charges were based on a new informant who claimed smith, had made an incriminating statement that her cell phone tracking and more evidence that links christian smith to that business card found at the crime scene and they say in two thousand and eighteen in january, all we had a fingerprint match that we could make since two thousand and six sounds a little fishy. Christian smith's lawyer, John patrick Dolan, says

two gaiters had tunnel vision. I think we began with the conclusion that my client of MR people are guilty and tried to collect evidence to support their rather than evaluating the evidence and see where it takes them. The trial began in April two thousand eighteen, almost twelve years after the crime dolen in paints, new attorney Jeff, more launched a vigorous defence raising questions about the credibility of the states, new informant, who has had his own legal troubles and the accuracy of the cell phone tracking and forensic evidence. This is about a paper, thin phases, oversee afterward.

In a month of trial, the case went to the jury. They would deliberate ten agonizing days before giving word that they had finally reached a verdict. Robert pape and christian smith were found guilty of first degree. Murder in the deaths of vicky friedly and john hayward pape was found guilty of sex. degree murder in the death of tacky freely. I waited eleven years nine months for this day and I'm very happy. There is no closure, Becky's god, mickey they'll never come back with the victims. we see as the right verdict is viewed as a terrible injustice by two other families. Robert peeps mother was devastated. A jury has finally decided who was responsible for the murder of three people in pinyon pines, but the destruction left by a terrible night remains.

My sister is a beautiful person inside and now I want that remembered. I want to remember her for her not for she died. the seymour photos from its triple murder case online. At forty eight hours, doc.

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