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grab somebody else. Molly Bish was a lifeguard at the local swimming pond when she'd vanished. First aid kit was wide open, her towel was draped over the back of the chair but there was no Molly. What she said to me was, I love you mom. That was the last time I seen her. It triggered a massive search. I feel a sense of responsibility to be out here. Police even look at our family. As Susan Spencer reports, after three years there were still no answers. The state police are working around the clock on this, okay? Then this disgraced ex-cop got involved. If they want to label me as a cowboy or rogue, they have a right to the I applauded his efforts. Finally, a break in the case. That's the way I found it. It could be a major break in the search for Molly Bish. Can he solve this mystery? There's real evil out there. There's evil out there. Missing Molly

- I'm Leslie Stahl. When a child goes missing, you do anything and everything the police ask you to do. Because getting the word out in those first hours can be critical to solving the case. But when hours turn into days and weeks...

Weeks or even months and years, there's desperation and a willingness to look anywhere for answers. John and Maggie Bish need answers. They have been willing to work with or without the police to find out what happened to Molly. Tonight, Susan Spencer is on the trail of Molly Bish in one little town that's become home to a large web of suspicion. We're still a safe, small central man. Massachusetts community filled with very kind and generous people. From a distance...

The town of Warren, Massachusetts looks like a slice of Norman Rockwell's America. Nestled in the woods of Worcester County, Warren has two gas stations, one traffic light... And no cell phone service. But remarkably, it is here in this Walden-like setting The biggest mysteries in Massachusetts history began years ago. Now there's no real signs here for the beach, but it actually rides right through a neighborhood. On the morning of June 27, 2000, Maggie Binns was in the beach. Was in the car with her 16-year-old daughter Molly on the way to Cummins Pond, the local Swimming hole. Just a week before, Molly had started a summer job as a lifeguard there. This was her eighth day and she was just really excited about it. They arrived just before 10 o'clock.

We pulled into the parking lot here and what she said to me is, I love you mom. And that was the last time I seen her. Maggie watched her... Daughter walked toward the beach before she drove away. And there was not a vehicle in this parking lot. This parking lot was empty when you left. Yes. About 20 minutes later, Sandra Woodworth arrived at the pond with her kids. First aid kit was wide open, backpack was on the bench, her towel was draped over the back of the chair, her sandals were in front. And a Poland Springs water bottle is on the right heel. But there was no molly. Another hour passed. Molly's boss, Parks Commissioner Ed Fett... Then showed up and realized Molly wasn't there. He also noticed her sandals and the opened first aid kit, I waited around, nobody showed up, so I called the police. Eventually the Warren police arrived, but by the time they called the police,

Maggie Bish, Molly had been missing for over three hours. I said, this doesn't make any sense. Point the local police seem to show no great sense of urgency. Well, it's understandable. Majority of missing persons cases, the missing person wants to stay missing Police suspected that Molly had simply abandoned her post to go and hang out with her friends. No big emergency. But for people who knew Molly, that sounded almost impossible. She never would just leave her job. We knew it. We knew and I kept saying something is very wrong. 16-year-old Molly was John and Maggie Bish's third and youngest child. Her junior year of high school. - You know, our kids, it wasn't easy for them in school. They had to work hard, and Molly was on the honor roll the whole year.

School. Her mother Maggie teaches elementary school. Her father John is a probation officer at a local courthouse. She was heavily involved in school with sports She was the one person who like everyone loved like she's goofy. You'd hear her coming down the hallway. You'd always know when she's in the room. A varsity athlete, Molly had attended the prom with her Boyfriend, Steven Lucas. We got her this beautiful dress, and she looked beautiful. And like her older siblings John and Heather, Molly was no stranger to work. This is a girl who gave up her Saturdays at 16 to go train. To become a lifeguard, she took her work very seriously. There's not a doubt in my mind that she would have done anything to jeopardize that. Later that afternoon, it finally became clear to police that Molly wasn't with her boyfriend or with any of her buddies.

Soon, the state police took over the investigation. Over the next few days, they launched a massive search of... Pond and of the surrounding area. Worcester County District Attorney John Condie. The state police are working around the clock on this, okay. I'm looking for a 16-year-old. Her name is Molly Inbish. Life got up at the town beach, which was last seen yesterday morning at 930. Aiding the search, a battalion of two men were killed. Of volunteers from the local area. We've got over 200 men and women who are here searching. I just want to find her. I just really want to find her. While the Boston media swarmed the story, you see pictures of her and you're reminded every second where is she. Were lost in a never-never land of fear and grief and shock.

Breathing but you're not alive, you're walking and you can't make any sense of the world that you trusted one day before. You don't sleep. You don't eat. You could hear the helicopters going over. You could hear the search dogs. Search Dogs... Were able to follow Molly's scent from the pond of this trail to a nearby cemetery. But they found nothing. One of the biggest searches in Massachusetts history. The active physical search is pretty much done. Still had no answers. I could read in their eyes they wanted to bring Molly home so bad and they couldn't. All they had Was the growing realization their youngest daughter had been abducted. Can you safely say at this point that you don't think that Molly left of Rome Free Will? I think that's a very fair statement. You can lose your keys and you can lose your glasses.

But how in America do you lose your child? The investigation is being focused right here in Warren, Massachusetts. Aggressively questioned anyone connected to Molly. Police even looked at our family. And later cleared Molly's boyfriend, Stephen Lucas. They also questioned Molly's boss, Ed Fett, who had failed to contact-- Immediately. Basically I have nothing to hide so we try to be cooperative in every list went on. Investigators focused on local residents. They're all from the area. They're all from the area. John and Maggie Bish were forming a theory of their own. I don't believe any of these people around here are involved in this. This is the work of a professional.

We knew he was doing and it wasn't just a theory Maggie bish believes exactly 24 hours before Molly disappeared pulled into the parking lot and there was a vehicle Parking lot. She may well have seen the man who abducted her. He stared at me. He glared at me. Hiring is challenging, especially when you're a business owner with a lot on your plate. Thankfully, there's a place you can go for help. ZipRecruiter. ZipRecruiter does the work. For you to make hiring fast and easy. Immediately after you post your job, ZipRecruiter's powerful matching technology starts showing you qualified people for it. Faster, easier hiring with ZipRecruiter. Try it free at ziprecruiter.com/zipdaily. That's ziprecruiter.com/zipday. Brian Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. With the price of just about everything going up during inflation, we thought we'd bring our prices down.

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Every morning and you wish and you hope and you think of Molly every night. I'm still waiting for her to come in the front door. I'm waiting for that phone call. Now the case of Molly's disappearance from this beach in Warren, Massachusetts, has gone as cold as a New England February. Between hell and hope. Perfect. Come on, you got fingerprints. Vishes are determined this never should happen to any other family. Thrown themselves into activism. - We know that one in six children are recovered with a photograph. Missing children, they even met the parents of another missing blonde teenager. - Thank you so much.

We appreciate it. Elizabeth Smart. We've become friends. Emotions are so blended. Families began corresponding. Too bad we have to belong to this infamous club. We are all doing fine. I'm taking one day at a time. The Bishes are doing all they can to keep alive the hope that they'll find their daughter as well. Good job, very good. They're not just sitting back and expecting the police to do it alone. At first I was here almost every day. Makes regular pilgrimages to Cummins Pond. At least once a month, twice a month. And he has his own theory of what happened and how. It goes back to the morning. Before Molly vanished, when Maggie Bish saw a man sitting alone in a white car like this one parked at Cummins Pond. We pulled into the parking lot.

And there was a vehicle in the parking lot and it was a man. He's just sitting there smoking a cigarette and he's kind of staring at me. Maggie waited nervously for 20 minutes. They felt like a mother bear, kind of protecting her cub. Finally, the man drove off and Maggie put the incident out of her mind. Until the next day. Call that afternoon. It said, Molly's missing. Did you say in your own mind, Oh my God, it's the guy in the white car? Immediately. Aggies detailed descriptions. The man had dark hair, kind of salt and peppered. I thought it was between maybe 45, 55. Police have released two composite sketches. This is the individual that we're looking for.

In that white car. And as police discovered, Maggie Bish wasn't the only one who'd seen a white car in the vicinity. Also spotted one the next day. The morning molly disappeared. Well, before on it here, I could see the car and it was packed on the road. Car wash at the base of Cummins Pond Road. It just didn't look right to be there. And later, at the... End of the trail from the beach to the cemetery. - See that sign pole down there? Can you see way down by the woods there? That's where that car was. This is where the bloodhounds led the searchers? Led up to this way and then up the path and out the cemetery. In his mind's eye, John Bish can see this crime unfolding. In your scenario, he's waiting at the car wash until the coast is clear. Yeah, and he sees me.

Leave Marley on. And he knows this is going to happen because he's watched this the day before. Fairly routine, yeah. He says the scene itself provides telling hints as to exactly what happened next, starting with that open first aid kit. What do you think the lure was? I think this was just someone... Who said, I need a bandaid. I've cut myself. Do you have something? Then, after Molly turned to open the kit, John thinks the kidnapper forced her to leave. Up the cemetery trail. The shoes tell him that. He says she'd never voluntarily have gone barefoot up that hill. He's probably being coerced up the hill. He has control of her and may have a weapon. A knife or a screwdriver, or maybe even a gun. This is the back of the cemetery? Right. The car is sitting right there.

Ah. - We're still looking at the white car. I believe we have narrowed that somewhat. Attorney John Conte pursued the white car theory seriously. We did a cursory search on 125 white cars. But his investigators believe the abductor had to live nearby. They began in... Interrogating local sex offenders, and it turns out there were plenty to choose from. We've looked at-- 35 to 45 sex offenders in the area. At least one of those questioned, a convicted child rapist named Oscar Balagiran Resemblance to this sketch. He's also admitted to meeting molly at a party, but Maggie bish has doubts. This gentleman doesn't bear a resemblance? Definitely there's resemblance, but it's the hair wasn't it's nothing

You don't look at this picture doesn't leave out at you and say anything. I think that's what drives us The sketch has become one of the most recognized drawings in Massachusetts. But the white car man never... Has been identified by police. - It's more frustrating than anything else. Gone for D.A. Conti. Countless theories. We've got over 4,000 leads in our database. Precious few facts. We're looking for evidence. We don't have it. But reality often has little to do with hope. Somehow there's this tiny-- and you hold on tight. It may get thin sometimes, but you hope and you pray. And in March 2003. Are you having fun, Elizabeth? After nearly three years without Molly,

happens. It's real. It's real. Ed and Lois Smart get their daughter back. For the Bishes, suddenly anything seems Possible. Elizabeth is the strongest testimony to never giving up searching. Never giving up hope. And we're waiting for that one piece of information to come in. That's what we're missing, the piece of the puzzle. It turns out the-- Won't have to wait long for that piece. It could be a major break in the search for Molly Bish. It was right there. That's where I found it.

- Major developments in Molly Bish's disappearance. Disturbing new clues found deep in the woods of Palmer. - It's May, 2003, three years after Molly Bish disappeared. And suddenly the investigation reignites. Now, investigators believe they may have found a piece of her clothing in a-- Discovered on this wooded hillside five miles from the pond where she vanished, the first major clue in the case. Hopefully this is the break we've been looking for. But strangely, the big break comes from someone who has nothing to do with the official investigation at all. A local ex-cop named Tim McGuigan.

You know, there's been a lot of things said about me. I've been ridiculed. I've been, essentially I've been blackballed from law enforcement. But you know what? There's still some children missing. It all began with McGuigan's obsession with an entirely different crime. The abduction of another young girl from the area. That's the point my life changed forever. Her name was Holly Peranian. She was 10 years old. 1993 she went walking along this country road near her grandmother's house in Sturbridge, Massachusetts and simply vanished. All searchers found Was one small shoe. I knew someone had taken the terrain around there. You don't walk around without it. With only one shoe. In the following weeks, Holly's parents, Richard and Tina, and grandmother, Maureen, went through the same--

Ordeal the Bish family would experience seven years later. You don't realize what's going on around you. You just can't do anything. You just exist. Pray for Holly. Pray for Holly. 10 weeks after she vanished, local hunters discovered Holly's remains in the woods nearby. Appears to be a homicide. -The worst part of it for me was wondering, you know, who is this person that did this to my daughter? killed Holly Perrini. Inveterating the death of a woman, Holly Perrini is a story that is not only about the death of a woman, but also about the death of a woman. Investigators never were able to figure that out. But several years later, local cop Tim McGuigan couldn't get Holly's unsolved murder out of his mind. I had three little girls of my own, and I thought of the innocence of this child and her life taken away by a predator. It made me realize that there's real evil out there. There's evil out there. And I want to do everything.

I could help her. So McGuigan started his own investigation. Three years of my life right there. John Kelly, a forensics expert and profiler who works with police. of Timmy McGuigan's waking hours. Had to do with the Holly Perrine in case. But his superiors, McWegan says, were not sympathetic. You think your supervisors just thought you were spending too much time on this? You were too engrossed in this? I think they thought that, you know... Are you looking into this? This isn't your jurisdiction. Who do you think you are? He took an interest and I really don't know why. State Police Detective Lieutenant Peter Higgins is currently in charge of the official investigation, one he's worked on for the past 10 years.

Is he a rogue cop? Is he just a conscientious citizen? -I think maybe somewhere in between there, but anybody investigating any type of crime has to somewhat stay detached so their emotions don't take over. Accused of being excessive on it. Do you think you are? I think there was a point in my life where, yeah, I had become excessive about it. What's bigger in life than getting a predator off the street before he grabs somebody else? case began to take over McWeegans light. Case came home with me. Case went to work Drinking heavily. I was consuming a lot of alcohol. His marriage fell apart. I In August 2002, under a gathering cloud at the department, Tim McGuigan left the force. This has been at considerable personal cost. Absolutely. Virtually broke, McGuigan drifted from job to job.

Good job. Timmy McQuicken could have gone over the edge. That would have been the end of him. His colleague John Kelly thought McWegan might benefit from putting pen to paper. You start to tap into all this negative stuff that's been submerged by booze or whatever, and you start to get it out and you start to let it flow. They've been here for a while. - Probably 10 years since Holly Perrine was abducted in her lifeless body found in a wooded area off Five Bridges Road. Then over two years since my last interview. So be... And McWeegans true crime account of the Holly Peranian murder. But as he wrote, he became. Increasingly fascinated with its similarity to the Molly Bish case. Two young girls both blonde vanishing In a rural area just a few miles apart. - The similarities of the cases and the way they impacted my life made it nearly impossible to discuss one without the other.

Connection between these cases hasn't been lost on investigators either. You Help but wonder whether there is a connection. It's too much of a coincidence in the same area, the same time of day. Evidence, there is another eerie coincidence. Little girl who was her age was missing. Molly would have been 10 years old. I, my name... My name is Molly Ann Bish. I am very sorry. She was very frightened and sad about this whole event. I hope they found her. She is still in my heart. My three little girls, I took this personally. As if Holly and Molly were asking me for help. Appearances increasingly linked in his thoughts, Tim McGuigan now went to the Bishes, asking for permission to investigate Molly's case as well.

I applauded his efforts. And he also told me, he said, you're going to crack this. You're going to crack this wide open. Because you never quit. You just don't stop. Two weeks after that conversation, police make their startling announcement. The discovery of pieces of a weather-beaten bathing suit, much like the one Molly Bish was wearing. It used to be the same size, medium, and it may be the same brand. The suit was found by, of all people, Tim McGuigan. It was more kind of this way, wasn't it? He says a local hunter Ricky Boudreau that big ledge led him to the site. Yeah, this is it right here this way Boudreau actually had seen the blue suit months earlier. If I would have knew what color it was right away.

I'd have been there the next day or that day and I'd have brought somebody out here, but I didn't know. I figured it would be orange or red, you know. He'd forgotten about it until he crossed paths with McWegan. I started talking about it and then I started actually reading him the introduction to my book. Similarities of these cases, to say the least, are intriguing. I found a bathing suit. I said, Reckie, where did you find a girl's bathing suit? And he said, Yes. And I said, You need to get me up there. The next day, Baudreau showed him the suit and they called police. That bathing suit is now at the laboratory. Green. Aye. And another intensive ground search begins. We all know what we're looking for. We want to solve this case. We want to find Molly and we want to bring her back to the Bishes. Even as they search, police have some questions for the man who led them to this new evidence. When you tell how this came to be.

I mean, this is an amazing coincidence. Here you are writing a book, you just happen to have some sort of social gathering where there's this hunter who happens to tell you about a bathing suit. It is astonishing. Things have happened. The police did ask you for a DNA sample, correct? They did. Which you supplied? Absolutely. And they asked you to take a polygraph? Right. Which you refused? Absolutely. Why did you refuse to take a polygraph? Take a polygraph. With all due respect to Mr. Conti, we had 11 people fail lie detector tests. One of the dumbest statements I've ever heard was 11 people fail the polygraph test. Exam. What am I gonna make in an even dozen? You know, maybe they should think about getting another polygrapher. If it comes to... McWegan says he has two rock solid alibis. He was in the army when Holly disappeared and he was. Duty as a policeman when Molly vanished. Just for the record, did you in fact have any involvement? That statement offends me.

Absolutely not. Despite Tim's friction with the investigators-- If they want to label me as a cowboy or rogue, they have a right to that opinion. The Bish family seems grateful to him. - Oftentimes you find someone who has an obsession with a case and that's what drives it. That's what gets it solved. And now they're starting to wonder, could this disgraced policeman solve the mystery of Holly and Molly? This episode is brought to you by Progressi- This episode is brought to you by Progessi-- Commercial Insurance. As a business owner, you take on a lot of roles. Marketer, bookkeeper, CEO. But when it comes to small business insurance, Progressive has you covered. They offer discounts on commercial auto insurance, customizable coverages that can grow with your business, and reliable protection for whatever comes your way. Count on

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The disappearance of 16-year-old Molly Bish of 10-year-old Holly Peranian are separated by seven years and about 10 miles. But they are clearly connected in the mind of former police officer Timothy McGuigan, who admits that he is obsessed with solving both... Cases. While investigators see him as a disgraced outsider, there is no No denying it was McGuigan's involvement that led to the first major break in three years of searching for Molly Bish. And even though McGuigan himself has become a target of suspicion, still he is not letting up.

Susan Spencer. We welcome you to share in the third annual Massachusetts Missing Children's Day. We will commemorate the 33 missing children of Massachusetts. The families missing them. It's been two weeks since John and Maggie Bish learned of the-- First major break in their daughter's case. The discovery of a bathing suit just a few miles from the pond where Molly disappeared. As we speak, the Massachusetts State Police are scouring the woods for our molly.

A week later, devastating news. We did discover a human bone. District Attorney John Conte says the bone is from a person 14 to 20 years old. We've now established the area as a crime scene area. The search goes on. As they're crawling around their hands and feet in the woods, trying to find pieces of lolli. 20, they have 20 bones now. Then finally, on June 9th, investigators confirm... Once and for all. We were able to completely identify the remains as those of Molly. - How you know.

It's probably one of the most difficult times in our life, but we're glad Molly's home. You know, it does give us some peace because we know she's... Where she is and what happened to her as much as you try to prepare there's no way Hello. And it's an age when they're just becoming themselves, you know, and they're blossoming and all the world is in front of them. Molly Bish is over. But the search for her killer. Never has been more urgent. We're going to search every single lead that we have. We have to find this person, and we will find him. I hope that they get this guy. But the ex-- The cop who led police to the bathing suit isn't content to cheer them on from the sidelines. She would have been right down in that area, John. While the official investigators still are up in that hillside hunting for evidence. It's a pretty clear view from right there. Right. Tim McGuigan is conducting

His unofficial investigation at the site where Molly was abducted. So he's got to go up this hill. With him, criminal profiler John Kelly. We felt he had to be a hometown guy. 'cause Cummins Pond is very hard to find. I mean, he'd have to know this area pretty damn well. Believes the man was no novice. This isn't this guy's first time out. How do you know that? He wouldn't be as good. He wouldn't be as methodical. I mean, keep in mind, this has been the perfect crime for three years. He's gotten away with murder. The two visit the Holly Paradian crime scenes too. This is the area where it's believed she was taken from. And are struck more than ever by the similarities. -Can we say the cases are definitely connected? Of course not. It's probably 50/50 right now that these cases are connected. I think the only way to change the odds is to eliminate them.

People. For three years, Tim Mcguigan has been trying to do just that and he says he keeps coming back to One suspect, Robert Arms. - I believe he needs to be looked at strongly. Is a day laborer who lived in the area where Holly was abducted. You absolutely think that he killed these two girls? I don't think that he's involved in Holly Perrinean. I'm not sure of any involvement with Molly Bish. The man thinks arms knew the area well and acted suspiciously after Holly's murder. So why arms bought new boots that day? Was there evidence on the old ones? I did arms a few days later, junk the car he had been driving. He had the car crushed? And your theory as to why is... He wanted to get rid of physical evidence. Police recovered the car after it was cr-

And found no evidence in it. But there's no denying that what arms did later certainly seemed odd. I'd like to appeal Again, to the people or anyone that knows the people that have Holly now. That is Robert Arms with the family of Holly Peranian. A friend or a neighbor or someone. Shortly after Holly disappeared, he approached the family, volunteered to help search, and held fundraisers. We will not rest until Holly is back with her family where she belongs. Was this somebody that you knew? No, no. We had no idea who he was. A year and a half later, in another strange move, Arms went to the press, declared he-- knew he was a suspect and denied any involvement in the crime. I have a clear conscience. OK, I have a clear conscience now. I don't need to confess to somebody I didn't do to get a clear conscience.

Never have determined Arms' whereabouts when Holly disappeared. Ever been enough evidence to charge Arms with the crime. Have you dismissed the idea that Robert Arms was in any way connected to this? I don't wanna really speak to a specific individual. The number of individuals we looked at, and we continue to look at those people. Your sights on this guy. Have you talked to him? No, I'd like to talk to him. Wanted to talk to him to for an interview, but we tracked him down. In New Hampshire. Since moving here, Arms has been arrested numerous times on petty offenses. Hi, how are you? Hi, you Robert Arms? I am. Yeah, I'm Susan Spencer, CBS. Hi, how are you? Nice to see you. Can I ask you a couple questions? About? About the Holly Piranian case? Thanks anyway. Well, did you have anything to do with it? What's that? Your name keeps coming up.

It does, it keeps coming up. Until Robert Arms answers some questions, won't rule him out as Holly Perainian's killer. I want to help Robert. I want to help exonerate him. I want him to come see me. Tell me what you did that day. As for Molly Bish, Arms does vaguely resemble the first sketch of the white car man Maggie Bish saw at Cummins Pond. And some witnesses do put him in the area that week. But that's a far cry from real evidence. That he was involved. Are you prepared to accept that you might be just flat out wrong? Molly Bish, I certainly entertain the possibility that Robin Arms may not be involved. Awesome. But I believe wholeheartedly as far as Holly Perrine is, I'm right. Though McWegan hasn't solved these murders, he certainly has refocused the police's attention.

If I'm wrong. Molly Bish is still going home. There's a lot of activity being placed on these cases right now. Intertwined with Holly and Molly. There's a marker right there. Yep. Surprised they left it up here. So am I. Turned just how strange during an interview with McWegan and Ricky Boudreau at the spot where they found the bathing suit. It was weeks after police completed their supposedly exhaustive search. That's a little piece right there. Where? That is a piece of recent right there. The next bizarre twist in this case was right before our eyes. I can't believe they left that.

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I can't believe they left that. DNA could have got off of it. Whatever it is, we decide it should be turned over to authorities. You're sure that's what this is? Oh, that's definitely. It's got to be a piece of one of the straps. The next day, we asked Detective Lieutenant Peter Higgins, in charge of the Holly Peranian case, how he thought a police forensic team could have missed it. It raises the question in people's mind, Gosh, if they missed that, what else did they miss? I would defer to the investigators from the Worcester unit that is working on that case for any comments. But despite repeated requests, Worcester County DA John Conte will not agree to sit down

And talk with us about the Bish case. Nor will he say if the laboratory analysis of the bathing suit or of our little piece of it has produced any new leads. - That's a big piece. - What is he afraid of? Is his concern that they missed a part of the suit? Is that a concern of his? Well, it should be. It should be. Out there competing against the cops in this investigation. -He is, isn't he? -Obviously. Obviously, he is, because he's not working with them. I think, in a way, it's good, because it should make the cops work harder, the state police detectives work harder. If they don't want to be outshined by McGuigan again. Because at this point right now, it's like one nothing McGuigan. I draw strength from the fact that I'm a teacher. That I feel partially responsible, at least partially responsible for Molly Bish going home.

On August 2nd, 2003, what would have been her 20th birthday, Molly Bish is laid to rest. I welcome you to St. Paul's Cathedral this morning. as we gather to commend Molly Bish. Into the loving and tender hands of God. Our hope focuses on the family that we go on, that we don't become victims again. District Attorney Conte paid a fine. Is his respects. It only to continue to solve this case.

The police seem to have no new suspects and no inclination to officially clear their old ones. Not even Tim McGuigan's dark horse, Robert Arms. White car man Maggie Saw is by now a local legend. The Bishes must face the possibility that like another group of mourners at Molly's funeral-- Very moving. It was a very nice ceremony. Their daughter's murder may never be solved. I had to come. I felt that I should be here to support the Bishes. We've been through so much. Together with them. The family of Holly Peranian attends one more mass today. God, you take away the sins of the world, grant us peace. Commemorating the 10th anniversary of Holly's murder.

Tim McGuigan comes to honor both of the girls whose tragic deaths have shaped his life. It really has made me question my spirituality, my relationship with God, and why things happen. He's proud that he's helped the vicious find Molly, but he admits that in a way, they've helped him even more. I think they have amazing strength. And they've given so much. It's a testament to who they are. It's amazing, amazing people. Eventually, routine settles again on Warren, Massachusetts. John Bish continues his work as a probationer. Officer and another school year begins for Maggie. We know Molly wouldn't want us to be sad. There's a part of us that will always be sad. But Molly was joyful and Molly was the one who loved life and that's how I want people to remember.

But with two unsolved murders haunting the area, move on knowing that at least one killer still may be on the loose. This person or these people are still out here. I think everyone is Person is amongst us and we have no clue who it is. We have to find this murderer and we will find him. I know. District Attorney John Conte empaneled a grand jury to hear testimony in the Molly Bish case. Ex-cop Tim McGuigan, who turned up key evidence in the case,

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